Wisconsin CRJ-200 has ENGINE SHUT DOWN MIDAIR | Diverts to Elmira

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    Air Wisconsin CRJ-200 performing flight from Dulles to Syracuse was enroute at FL210 when the pilots reported an engine problem and would have to divert to Elmira.
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Joe N
Joe N

Do one for the small single engine that ditched in the water in Hawaii near LNY last night

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NexXuS
NexXuS

When the tower started relaying landing conditions, what does the 5/5/5 mean? My only experience with aviation is listening to atc comms on this channel so I have a lot to learn

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Rich Sanossian
Rich Sanossian

What’s with the 20 question from emergency truck. Emergency needs to monitor their radio.

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melted cheetah
melted cheetah

Poor plane had to land in Elmira.

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AMStationEngineer
AMStationEngineer

A long, long time ago, American LaFrance Fire Equipment was built in Elmira, New York. Why do I know this??

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flythec152
flythec152

can you do the Bearskin Airlines Flight 377 that had an engine failure on departure out of North Bay, Canada today at ~1840Z?

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Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

I love your videos so much. I just have one question, is there a certain program you can see the atc radar screens like if a plane squaks 7700 you would see it. Thanks and keep up the great work! (:

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Jonathan B
Jonathan B

Any information on how the pax got en route? Looks like KELM only has 4 flights daily, 2 to DTW, 2 to FL. Did they just bus them the 2 hr drive to Rochester? (I've been bussed for a plane defect, KPWM - KMHT)

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Sam Kirk
Sam Kirk

They were going to Syracuse. I believe I saw some news articles about the passengers being put on busses. Or if they were polite maybe some rental credits. Definitely not a flight out of KELM

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Sara
Sara

hey vas a single engine cessna (i think) ditched in the pacific off of the island of Lanai the other day, id love a video on it if possible!!! :-))

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Jason Lanza
Jason Lanza

Good job to my ex company!

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pietrek1421
pietrek1421

Hey there, can you make a video about private heli crash in Poland on 23rd of February? If you are ofcourse able to get any comms from the flight? There 2 fatal injuries and 2 people who survived.

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Michael Risica
Michael Risica

Is it my imagination or do rescue trucks like talking on the radio. All the info was previously given.

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Novak 78
Novak 78

never thought I'd see a video with my home airport mentioned.

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VMC Aviation Videos
VMC Aviation Videos

Another uneventful emergency.

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Jon Bartels
Jon Bartels

If i'm not mistaken when the pilot is talking you can hear what I'm assuming is the failed engine.

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Nicholas Barnard
Nicholas Barnard

Ahh. When I was a kid I used to hate diverting into KELM... that happened with some frequency when we were flying to KBGM and the airport was fogged in.

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Benoit Hudson
Benoit Hudson

I’m surprised Elmira was faster to the ground than just continuing to Syracuse with the already-planned information, descent path etc. They’re quite close to each other.

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Sam Kirk
Sam Kirk

@A B The QRH for this issue only says land at nearest suitable. Not "immediately" like some others. Likely due to loss of second engine making them lose their thrust reverse and with KSYR being Slush at the time better to go to KELM

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Benoit Hudson
Benoit Hudson

@A B sure, and losing an engine is that. But just as the closest exit may be the one behind you, it could also be that the destination is the quickest airport to land at. Radon360 indicates they actually did save time, so the diversion makes sense.

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radon360
radon360

@A B True enough. Yet paradoxically, the flight crew didn't didn't declare an emergency. I guess it's one of those cases where potentially following all of the procedures, at the end of it all, they really didn't get on the ground any faster.

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A B
A B

A lot of QRH procedures require “Land *immediately* at nearest suitable airport”, or “land at nearest suitable airport”. There is no discretion to continue for the pilots to even consider, dependent on the emergency.

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Benoit Hudson
Benoit Hudson

@radon360 : so they saved 10 minutes? OK, I guess that makes sense to divert then.

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Philip Noah
Philip Noah

WOW.. good judgement on the part of the pilots! less than 90 miles from their destination, probably already descending and getting setup for landing when they diverted! So close and so tempting to PUSH-ON. Good judgment, better safe than sorry with no good alternates between Elmira and Syracuse.

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Sam Kirk
Sam Kirk

Likely due to the runway conditions at the time in KSYR without an engine they wouldn't have all thrust reversers. And they can't land on a "contaminated" runway without them. Which was slush at the time.

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imaPangolin
imaPangolin

I just get so frustrated. Single engine landing is not normal. Anything could happen. Why NOT have the trucks standing by?

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jetals e
jetals e

I remember a story about an air force plane, declared an emergency because of engine vibrations. He was told he would have to wait. A B-52 had had a flame out on one engine and was being given priority. Back came the reply, "Oh no! Not the dreaded 7-engine landing!"

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Random Acts of Video
Random Acts of Video

Air Wisconsin HQ is 5 miles from where I live and I have been to the office as well.

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Sam Kirk
Sam Kirk

KATW beautiful little town

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Scotty Catman
Scotty Catman

I'm never surprised that ARFF has no fucking clue what is going on and how to do their job. Just about every video with ARFF in it is them being absolutely befuddled on how to operate. On top of that, they are an expensive asset. I hope that if I ever get in an aircraft emergency that I can put the fire out myself so I don't have to listen to them struggle.

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Jonathan Nelson
Jonathan Nelson

This controller did an excellent job, he was very clear on his dictations to the ground crews and the pilot. I really liked how professional he was and not acting rushed/worried/etc.

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Don Schwartz
Don Schwartz

Although I usually don't pan anyone but I have to say that the emergency truck was not the sharpest guy I've ever heard. He ask the fuel remaining and souls and got an answer from the tower and then asked again. What puzzled me was when the tower told him there were 49 souls on board he asked if it was a commercial flight. Did he think 49 people were on a flying bus? I realize he is operations but they didn't declare an emergency so he should have stayed off the air and listened.

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Benoit Hudson
Benoit Hudson

Also, while the crew said they didn't need assistance, ATC ignored that like they're trained to do.

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Benoit Hudson
Benoit Hudson

​@Don Schwartz : they didn't know it was a commercial flight on Air Wisconsin until tower answered the question whether it was a commercial flight (4:15).

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Brendan Sinclair
Brendan Sinclair

@Don Schwartz Private jets do not carry that many passengers? Boeing offers a couple of 7x7 variants called 7x7-BBJ (Boeing business jet). Trump had a 757-BBJ; don’t know if he still does, but it’s probably been deadheaded a few times, perhaps to VCV. A better question from Truck 12 would’ve been the type of AC & HAZMAT, not what the AC's purpose is.

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Don Schwartz
Don Schwartz

To all of my detractors I say this. He was told that it was Air Wisconsin and a flight number. Even if it were chartered it is still considered a commercial flight because it is being flow by a commercial carrier. Private jets do not carry that many passengers. Those are chartered by sport teams and use commercial carriers. ATC knew what was going on and the crew said they didn't need ground support.

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Benoit Hudson
Benoit Hudson

I don’t know why he cares but other options would include a charter, military, a private jet (eg a sports team).

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Eric x
Eric x

Someone dumped the clutch

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tenpiloto
tenpiloto

If you lose an engine in a 2-engine airplane, IMMEDIATELY declare an emergency! WHY TF NOT? Nor impressed with this nonchalant attitude. Good that the controller took it on himself to call the trucks.

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Sam Kirk
Sam Kirk

Emergency was declared. Though aircraft was talking to center first which got relayed down to Elmira. Which is why they already knew what was going on by the time they got close

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Logan Caron
Logan Caron

The nonchalant attitude comes from 1. engine out training, and 2. flying a CRJ2. The plane is always having issues

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Pomerau
Pomerau

"Elmira! Truck 12. Ahh ... reporting stuck drivers window at this time. Also possible orange indicator bulb failure on the front or rear left side. Request clearance for a 360 at 1 meter until checklist complete. No emergency at this time. Tell that plane to wait. Also running short of potato chips. Will advise when able to continue on 24. Over."

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Paul Davison
Paul Davison

What does “5/5/5 100% wet” refer to? I’m assuming the runway is wet due to weather - is that correct?

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Paul Davison
Paul Davison

@saxmanb777 Understood. Thank you for the explanation. 🙂

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saxmanb777
saxmanb777

@Paul Davison It's actually a 6 point scale. 6 being dry, 5 wet and Good braking action all the way down to 0 being NIL braking action. (Don't land on a NIL runway. :) Thats basically ice.

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Paul Davison
Paul Davison

@Chris Schack Gotcha. So, each 1/3 of the runway is rated on a 5 point scale for stopping?

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Chris Schack
Chris Schack

Braking action good for all three thirds of the runway, and it's wet.

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Tristan Ross
Tristan Ross

Truck 12: Are there peanuts on the aircraft? What are the beverage options?

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Rich Sanossian
Rich Sanossian

Just thinking the same thing. Sounds like a rookie

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pseudocoder78
pseudocoder78

Seriously. The guy is talking to a professional controller, you can request more than one piece of information in a single call. Way to increase their workload chaining all those questions.

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Denise Judge
Denise Judge

@Tristan Ross lol

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frump99
frump99

I know right?

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RobisonRacing68
RobisonRacing68

KELM is one of the airports I often flew into when I was flying. They just redid the terminal I believe then the pandemic hit and they lost most if not all their commercial flights. 😔

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James Farnham
James Farnham

Real consequences for the Biden Cuomo Pelosi team!!

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phapnui
phapnui

Nice they shutdown the engine rather than spew parts all over the neighborhood and then given number to call for HOA...

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Phil Landram KC135Boomer
Phil Landram KC135Boomer

Any clips of the "UFO" sighting over New Mexico?

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Vana Kinzz
Vana Kinzz

@phapnui Even the aliens fear the phrase "I have a number for you when you're ready" 😂

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phapnui
phapnui

The UFO was given a number to call on account of the low pass over the aircraft. Them ET's in a lot of trouble now. FAA may yank their intergalactic space license.

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Tom5tom Entertainment
Tom5tom Entertainment

In my professional opinion, that's not supposed to happen.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Wow

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phapnui
phapnui

With 150,000 hours in my logbook, I agree.

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sacrilege
sacrilege

wooow

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Rilmar Amarthkhil
Rilmar Amarthkhil

Legends have it, Truck 12 is still asking Ground questions about this aircraft!

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VMC Aviation Videos
VMC Aviation Videos

Haha, absolutely possible 😁

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Michael Aslan
Michael Aslan

@phapnui furthermore — truck 12 very may have been on ground frequency. That’s typically the frequency land-faring vehicles monitor. Unless there’s an emergency.

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Michael Aslan
Michael Aslan

@phapnui there is a lot of ‘what if’ or ‘probably’ — in aviation, if in doubt, you ask again. For whatever reason, truck 12 quite evidently did not register the information his operations require and he made sure he received them.

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phapnui
phapnui

@Michael Aslan Not if he failed to monitor the radio.

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phapnui
phapnui

@mobiletransportvideo Absolutely.

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Marka Oslo
Marka Oslo

Binge watching some VASAviation - found a fresh one!

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farfetch7
farfetch7

Just an engine failure. It’s okay, we’ll just shoot an normal approach. No mayday. Just likes it’s a normal day. Wonder if the company SOP state that you have to declare a Mayday every time when operating one engine. Interesting!

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@David Herman - Previous controlling facility, passed all the pertinent info, prior to handing control over to Elmira Appch., so he was well informed of the situation, standard procedure.

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David Herman
David Herman

I'm wondering if the mayday call got cut. It seemed like ATC already knew there was some sort of emergency

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RR KNL
RR KNL

The airline I flew for, it was pilots discretion.

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Heefie 86
Heefie 86

Truck 12, talk to truck 10 and let tower look after the aircraft. I'm supposed they don't communicate that amoungst themselves before going to twr

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peter hewitt
peter hewitt

Its called communication and co-ordination.....obvs not trained very well ...

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Chris Sede
Chris Sede

@Viktor Bengtsson possibly but, I can’t say for sure either way.

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Viktor Bengtsson
Viktor Bengtsson

@Justin Saltalamacchia Thanks, I suddenly remember parts of other videos like these where ground at JFK tells aircraft to monitor tower at 123.9 or something similar. So "tower" and "ground" are different, but everyone are sitting close to each other in the physical tower? Is it likely that truck 10 and truck 12 were talking to the same person, but on different frequencies and thus T12 was not aware that T10 already had the information?

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Justin Saltalamacchia
Justin Saltalamacchia

@Viktor Bengtsson in this case the trucks are either on the tower or ground frequency. So approach gets the info from the pilot, relays it to the tower position (in this case the tower and ground position are the same controller) who then relay the information the to fire trucks. The firetrucks only talked to the 1 controller for ground movement and info. Great question: The main difference between ground and local are pretty much that. Ground controls all movement on the ground for which they control. The local controller controls the runways and surrounding designated airspace.

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Viktor Bengtsson
Viktor Bengtsson

@Justin Saltalamacchia Thanks a lot for the clarification! So did I understand correctly that the trucks and the pilot talked to different persons? And what is the difference between the roles of ground and local? I guess ground is for taxi and generally moving around the taxiways. The things I know are mostly from watching these kind of videos from another channel, typically featuring Kennedy Steve.

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Blazing Skulls
Blazing Skulls

Lovely videos dude...been following for a couple years now

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Jttv
Jttv

This has not been a good year for New York Aviation. Good thing I have no plans to fly any time soon.

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wloffblizz
wloffblizz

I always feel like they should just roll out the trucks no matter what the emergency is about (which they seem to always do anyway, regardless of what the pilot requests). I mean, it's not really going to cost anything; the ARFF crews are there standing by anyway, so the "worst" case scenario is that the crew just got an extra live practice drill.

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Bob Dobbs
Bob Dobbs

Makes sense. In my town the firefighters say "every day is a practice day" -- if they're not responding they're training and this is another way to do that.

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Jesus H Christ
Jesus H Christ

@LegoTux Same here, precautionary standby rolls all 4 ARFF trucks, Airport Medics & LEO and another Muni ambulance and ALS-Engine/Ladder duo. Confirmed in-air emergency, seems like the whole county descends into chaos, Fire & EMS flood from everywhere.

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blakjaknz
blakjaknz

Precautionary standby doesnt usually roll municipal backup- at least locally. Confirmed emergency does. If a normal approach is expected, no point in that level of disruption.

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LegoTux
LegoTux

In my area, when they roll ARFF at the airport which serves regional commuter jets. They also pull Ambulances, Engines, and Tankers from about a dozen surrounding towns, many of which only have one Tank or Ambulance. Usually the farther out apparatus get canceled before they get to the airport, because the plane lands without major issues before they arrive.

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Jason
Jason

I can't stop thinking about the movie Airplane when the tower says they got all the lights On for the runway.

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radon360
radon360

I'm thinking more of the dump truck dumping a bunch of assorted lamps onto the pavement.

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Paul Davison
Paul Davison

@Noel Down “Just kidding.”

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Noel Down
Noel Down

And Johnny pulls the plug...

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sfpup87
sfpup87

Dulles *

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jetals e
jetals e

Many years ago we had a stopover at Washington, to change planes. When the flight destination, Dulles, was announced over the PA, my wife and I looked at each other. We thought she said "Dallas".

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R L T
R L T

Did you mean you are a Dullard? Don't be so hard on yourself hon.

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Peter Deriabin
Peter Deriabin

Those were the clearest truck comms I've ever heard. Nice one!

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Mike Levy
Mike Levy

@Oleg Khad first one was truck 10, second was truck 12. Not sure why they couldn't talk to each other to pass along the info...

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aakksshhaayy
aakksshhaayy

@Oleg Khad They must not have recieved it because the later comms asks how their radio is working

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gomphrena -beautiful flower-
gomphrena -beautiful flower-

@Oleg Khad • You know what, as I was listening to it all, I had it in my mind that this was “Round 2” of the question/answer session, and then I second-guessed myself, incorrectly. (I was too lazy to rewind a little and check.) My memory is getting to be a mess! Got a BIG birthday coming up, lol. Anyway, you reminded me of the reason I need to double-check myself. That was really over the top repetition - but it was nice and clear!

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Oleg Khad
Oleg Khad

It is the cleanest radio, but he was given all the info, why ask again for the exact same info? Souls ? Fuel? Runway? Call sign?

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gomphrena -beautiful flower-
gomphrena -beautiful flower-

Agreed! Very succinct and touched all bases clearly!

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kmjavenger
kmjavenger

@ 1:30 it's "just to stay clear of the IMC" not ice.

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Steven Shillinger
Steven Shillinger

Nice job by all. Thanks for another great production VASAviation.

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tenpiloto
tenpiloto

Except for the captain.

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Ben Rosenberg

It's amazing how big this channel has gotten, congrats on 407k!

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Mor Gann21
Mor Gann21

Nice

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Ben Rosenberg
Ben Rosenberg

These are always so interesting

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First like and comment woohoo!

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TSM _Lloyd
TSM _Lloyd

@MSRT&A Productions damn it.

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MSRT&A Productions

Look at the bottom

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Oouf

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