Why the Marvel Cinematic Universe feels empty

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    What makes a fictional universe good? In this requested episode of Overrated, Vox’s Phil Edwards explores the past and present of fictional universes to try to figure it out.
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    Fictional universes and crossovers have been around long before the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The Green Hornet radio show had a crossover with the Lone Ranger that kicked off the trend. In comics, the Marvel Universe started long before Stan Lee was at the helm.

    But these crossovers have a problem: They can privilege business relationships ahead of storytelling immersion and really interesting universes. As the Tommy Westphall Universe shows, crossovers often become a map of business decisions rather than of integrated fictional stories, and that leads to worse stories.

    This problem plagues the MCU as well. When Marvel engineers crossovers, they aren’t thinking about a universe transformed by superheroes - they just want more quips, explosions, and cash. Or at least that’s Edwards’s argument - do you think the MCU works?
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Vox
Vox

You know that one font every comic book uses? Phil Edwards explains where it came from, and how it became so enduring: http://bit.ly/2EoOE6a

Vor 3 Monate
Devansh Jangid
Devansh Jangid

+Sasuke They're trying to distract us! 🤣😂 That's such a cheap tactic

Vor 2 Tage
Intergalactic Studios
Intergalactic Studios

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niT5wCh5v7U this is why i clicked dislike

Vor 5 Tage
Tizian K.
Tizian K.

Vox shut up and make actual points and not retarded clickbait.

Vor 6 Tage
Iman Ansori
Iman Ansori

Vox need clear their minds.. MCU is so good.. It's not just about crossover, it's about an idea to bring together superhero to give us philosophy, inheritance, inspiration, motivation, extraordinary story architecture, and many other great things.

Vor 9 Tage
Gaudium Felidae
Gaudium Felidae

Didnt expectedbthis to be so boring

Vor 11 Tage
Xochitpilli
Xochitpilli

Vox wtf is this? LMAO

Vor 10 Stunden
Chris 12
Chris 12

6:49 literally everybody would care

Vor 22 Stunden
TV Backup
TV Backup

Damn you're trash. You might've talked more nonsense than Trump on twitter.

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Rorschach Daws
Rorschach Daws

Mcu movies sucks

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AftrTheMoment
AftrTheMoment

oooh edgy~

Vor 8 Stunden
MattheJ1
MattheJ1

Hey, anyone want to buy a Vox sandwich? Here's how it works: you pay for a sandwich, Vox spends 9 minutes talking about how good their sandwiches are, and then you don't get a sandwich.

Vor 2 Tage
Dimitris Polimeros
Dimitris Polimeros

Listen (im referring to anyone who reads the comments or MCU sceptics) if you want to learn why the MCU is not as great as everyone says it is, just watch E;R's review of Deadpool part 1 and 2. He analyses the movie itself but he also expresses his opinion on the entire MCU (it's world-building, power level variability etc.). I personally don't agree with some of his arguments, but it's still much better than Vox's video.

Vor 2 Tage
Shock Puls
Shock Puls

Who told you this was a good idea?

Vor 2 Tage
Jason W
Jason W

Did this guy even watch any of the movies? It sounds like he’s just heard all of the complaints of the MCU and put them into a poorly researched video.

Vor 2 Tage
Iron Flash711
Iron Flash711

Its called same marvel universe they all share a universe and it's not the disney cinmatic universe so no star wars

Vor 2 Tage
ewan hennessy
ewan hennessy

Finally, someone who gets it.

Vor 3 Tage
Rory Wicks
Rory Wicks

VOX, this is one of the poorest attempts at making really good points on how the MCU can improve. And some if not most of the criticisms made by Phil are that "empty". Please go back to the drawing board for this one.

Vor 3 Tage
Jensen Raylight
Jensen Raylight

nah, you can't convince me to hate marvel just with "why MCU feels empty", and i still wondering, which part in the video that explains the emptiness of MCU i don't think MCU are overrated, they deserve it it's their hard work, and people get entertained with it

Vor 3 Tage
Super_ Sanne
Super_ Sanne

Lol i just use these video's as background noise 😂

Vor 4 Tage
09hk98
09hk98

Where are all the DC fans?

Vor 4 Tage
Lionsgate Black Label
Lionsgate Black Label

Report this for "Hateful and Abusive Content". CALLING ALL MARVEL FANS!!

Vor 4 Tage
FutureScarletSpider
FutureScarletSpider

Likes are Dc fans

Vor 4 Tage
FutureScarletSpider
FutureScarletSpider

Dc sucks

Vor 22 Stunden
Erlendor
Erlendor

When I hear Tommy Westfall, I, for some reason, think Tommy Weasau. I almost expect an "Oh hi Mark!" to appear in the video

Vor 4 Tage
NoAudioBro
NoAudioBro

The only mistake was this video

Vor 5 Tage
Noah Pfister
Noah Pfister

Hey, Vox, how bout you make a movie of your own? Then we’ll pointlessly criticize it for 10 minutes.

Vor 5 Tage
Riley Griffin
Riley Griffin

Update: I had to stop watching when he said no one would care about a Star Wars avengers crossover👋🏻👋🏻

Vor 5 Tage
Riley Griffin
Riley Griffin

What kinda crack is this channel on😂😂 “if you added aquaman to an avengers poster or Hawkeye to a justice league poster no one would care”💀💀

Vor 5 Tage
Vincent Karnik
Vincent Karnik

Everyone go watch Captain Midnight’s video on this it actually tells the truth about the MCU not that it’s empty but how it’s not and how Vox are retarded and shouldn’t ever take a shot at the mcu ever again

Vor 5 Tage
Jem Midgley
Jem Midgley

Much like your writers forgot to do their research, I think your editors forgot to colour grade the footage.

Vor 5 Tage
Han Shot First
Han Shot First

"Wroonngggoooo" -The Grinch

Vor 5 Tage
Han Shot First
Han Shot First

"Not only are you wrong, but you're stupid, and you're ugly, just like ya mum." -The cat in the hat

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Nick Reineck
Nick Reineck

This video sounds like it was made by people who only watched the trailers to some of the MCU movies. And even then, not all the way through. Not liking the MCU is an opinion you're allowed to have, it's ok. Flaunting your massive superiority complex with one of the worst researched video "essays" I've ever seen, is not.

Vor 6 Tage
Bastardson OfJefferson
Bastardson OfJefferson

Vox video essays are overrated. Release the NerdWriter!

Vor 6 Tage
Ben Phillips
Ben Phillips

I assume you're familiar with it, yes? Yeah, this ain't that, chief.

Vor 7 Tage
MrVideoKid: Extra Channel
MrVideoKid: Extra Channel

Why this Vox Video feels empty

Vor 7 Tage
Lord Snoke
Lord Snoke

Borring a few minutes of nothing and then he starts to talk about the topic. I only came here from sin sin video. And the MCU is great and thanos is awesome dislike.

Vor 7 Tage
SuccessNet
SuccessNet

This just gave me stage 5 cancer. Thanks VOX.

Vor 8 Tage
Corine Volkerink
Corine Volkerink

This video is a mess lol. what's ur point?

Vor 8 Tage
Julio Lenin
Julio Lenin

Well, with all your amazing content there should be at least a sloppy one that clearly doesn't know what it's talking about.

Vor 8 Tage
Rug Rats
Rug Rats

Uh vox, wyd

Vor 8 Tage
Suq Madiq
Suq Madiq

This video is the reason why I UNsubscribed from Vox

Vor 8 Tage
Sai Nath
Sai Nath

Same

Vor 7 Tage
Suq Madiq
Suq Madiq

Your arguments are illogical and poorly researched. I’m honestly not trying to be mean but you’re just not smart enough to get it

Vor 8 Tage
Steven Smith
Steven Smith

Overrated!!!! You high?

Vor 9 Tage
Chief
Chief

I’m sad because I actually was hoping this video would objectively and accurately criticize the mcu in a climate where people are sort of afraid to but you didn’t present a good case for the argument at all whatsoever. Guess I should’ve known this would be clickbait when he said it wasn’t clickbait 😑

Vor 9 Tage
Matthew Lakes
Matthew Lakes

OF COURSE THE UNIVERSE IS STILL GOING u just backed up my comment vox:" it's gonna get at least 20 more more movies" so THAT MEANS THE UNIVERSE IS STILL GOING

Vor 9 Tage
Amal Roy
Amal Roy

The like and dislike ratio is proof enough😒

Vor 9 Tage
Under Galaxy
Under Galaxy

I have an idea. Explain why you think the mcu isn't cohesive. You are just showing us why cinematic universes don't work as a whole, not what fails in this one. And if you ask me, you can just WATCH the movies and understand the plot.

Vor 10 Tage
Volt 56 the second time
Volt 56 the second time

**snap**

Vor 10 Tage
Dumisani Tsotetsi
Dumisani Tsotetsi

06:00 is the premise for this whole video. He is job hunting.

Vor 10 Tage
Joseph A. H.
Joseph A. H.

*looks at like/dislike ratio* To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless.

Vor 10 Tage
Bugsy !
Bugsy !

Personally I think the MCU is overrated, but this video is just bad.

Vor 10 Tage
ilovepizza001
ilovepizza001

The MCU is the reason why Spider-Man and Wolverine aren't the only Marvel superheroes that are mainstream. It helped Marvel for the better.

Vor 11 Tage
maxmetalknight
maxmetalknight

Even if MCU is not developed enough, it's definitely more developed than other attempts of launching cinematic universe by other companies. Especially X-Men, who basically had to retcon everything by introducing timeline changes.

Vor 11 Tage
John Hammenjr
John Hammenjr

you are an absolute disgrace! this was nonsense and honestly feels like pandering to a certain type of audience which is most likely mentally deficient. If this isnt trolling or clickbait then you should really reevaluate so many things in your life because you have no business reviewing anything in the world of art or pop culture.

Vor 11 Tage
RyGuyBoi
RyGuyBoi

It is painfully obvious you have no enjoyment in your life.

Vor 11 Tage
Matthew Morcos
Matthew Morcos

Who’s here just to dislike from SinsSins

Vor 11 Tage
Samantha Shugars
Samantha Shugars

The actual real universe is still in development too

Vor 12 Tage
Samantha Shugars
Samantha Shugars

Clearly written by a non-comics fan haha I love this stuff and it’s exciting even when it’s only done passingly well and marvel does it WAY better than any other modern franchise

Vor 12 Tage
Jericho Jack
Jericho Jack

I get what you were trying to go for but..this ain't it chief. This ain't it.

Vor 12 Tage
Chalago STR
Chalago STR

This video sucks... That's all I am gonna say.

Vor 12 Tage
systematic101
systematic101

in order for vox to make those claims they must have not watched the movies or read the comics. Pimps response makes sense. he doesn't get a long with Stark anyway. The core of Civil War was exactly about the damages super power beings cause. That's what created the accords.

Vor 12 Tage
Billy Bergmann
Billy Bergmann

Nice attempt. But this didn’t work at all.

Vor 12 Tage
Article 69
Article 69

I dont think he understands that they are all from the same property and universe hence why he talked about star wars cross overs 😂😂I think he actually might think marvel is just a movie studio not a comic and the characters are picked from random comics and shows

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Kami Tora
Kami Tora

Yikes. Those dislikes :D

Vor 13 Tage
Scrongul
Scrongul

First you said dumb and stupid bs about peweiepie, now you’re saying dumb and stupid bs about the mcu.

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Rudy Rampage
Rudy Rampage

So true when thanos killed half the avengers in avengers 3 I felt nothing. Because I know they are going bring them back to life in avengers 4. However I can see captain or iron man dying in avengers 4. Those are the only two interesting characters in the mcu.

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thu Le
thu Le

GO TO GULAG, NOW!

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Aqila Rindipati
Aqila Rindipati

Woww, i cant believe someone made a 10 minute long video full of crappy bullshit

Vor 13 Tage
Chupacadabra
Chupacadabra

6:15-6:30 Suuuure...it's not like characters from different movies in the MCU have interacted with each other, resulting in multiple plots, characters that are grounded in reality as much as they do things that wouldn't be the norm in the real world that were created by an interwoven universe that goes beyond a few easter eggs and created several story telling possibilities yet to come that don't need all the developement in the world along with style changing with Deadpool and the GTOG movies in order to make the universe feel grounded and not as bare bones as a business strategy to sell action figures......right? blae

Vor 14 Tage
Simon Blomberg
Simon Blomberg

At multiple points in this video all i thought was "sooooo....????". What point are they trying to make? What is the conclusion going to be? But the answer never came. You would just jump to the next "criticism" without really making one at all. By the time you started about merchandise all i thought was "This video is poorly constructed and confusing", which is a shame. Especially because you are trying to criticise something that many people not only poured a lot of work and dedication into, but also something many people really enjoy and like a lot. Maybe you had good points in mind, maybe there was a genuine intention to point out actual flaws in the mcu, but if that is the case than they were completely lost through the messy construction of this video essay.

Vor 14 Tage
________ ________
________ ________

"If you have an idea that you genuinely think is good, don't let some idiot steal it from you." - Stan Lee

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madhu sai
madhu sai

Whoh, incoming thrashers

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no
no

So you're saying the X-Men films make more sense? Try looking at the timeline for both franchises

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Luke Roy
Luke Roy

My sister who was born two months ago could make better arguments

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AlexValdez 34
AlexValdez 34

Screw u

Vor 14 Tage
Wesley Geyer
Wesley Geyer

This is like when that dude from The Verge tried to build a PC when he had no idea how to build a PC...

Vor 15 Tage
Richard Roberson
Richard Roberson

You are a f****ing idiot, you say there is now meaning to the easter eggs and crossovers, but that is what makes everything so connected, who the f**** cares if there is a little messed up continuity. They do what they can.

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Jon McIntire
Jon McIntire

Yes, yes, and yes. I’m in total agreement with every observation made in this video.

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PotPlant7
PotPlant7

Who knew you could get stage 4 cancer from a YouTube video

Vor 16 Tage
DeadEyeDon
DeadEyeDon

Vox, please don't ever try to do something that requires brain power again.

Vor 17 Tage
Hellefleur
Hellefleur

Video starts at 9:38

Vor 17 Tage
Chattyword 11037
Chattyword 11037

Butt-hurt marvel fans, can’t take criticism, even though it literally took almost 20 movies to get to infinity war which was just a “shock factor” make you feel like you actually cared about these characters for the last 15 years.

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Ice Wolf
Ice Wolf

So much clickbait

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Chef Niyi
Chef Niyi

Who said that???

Vor 17 Tage
Pixel Donkey
Pixel Donkey

How does this relate to marvel Vox: ( throws logic )

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Pixel Donkey
Pixel Donkey

Got more dislikes than likes

Vor 17 Tage
Triforce Obtained
Triforce Obtained

Making this video must have been like walking into a fire.

Vor 18 Tage
Patrick Bateman
Patrick Bateman

S O Y B O Y

Vor 18 Tage
Sad Jewish Boii
Sad Jewish Boii

Sorry but you don’t know what your talking about

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TFG_ 85
TFG_ 85

Anything just to squeeze more of that marvel money

Vor 18 Tage
Ebonyleopard
Ebonyleopard

This video. Not great. Don't take the host of it as an expert or well the material he's talking about. At all.

Vor 18 Tage
Stephen Landis
Stephen Landis

So wait your example of a series that integrates crossover storylines better than the MCU is a series that required a RIDICULOUS time travel trope to revitalize its franchise, eliminating the meaning of half its films in the process if you can even buy into it at all? The major difference between XMEN and the MCU is that the MCU emphasizes character driven narratives. At the end of the day, no one really cares about the abstract fictional concept of humans vs. mutants. The conflict is just a fictional vessel to pit two characters against one another, Professor X and Magneto. What we really care about are characters like Logan, who basically carried the entire franchise and led by far the best film in it (Logan). The MCU has created a dozen Logans and counting, and now Fox is looking to emulate that success with Dark Phoenix - a character driven narrative based on the second most compelling character in the franchise (and its worth noting that her relationship with Logan, the only other compelling character, is a major part of what makes the character compelling). I also like the XMEN films, but come on, that is a ridiculously weak example to hold up.

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Ali-a Fortnite
Ali-a Fortnite

I fell asleep when I saw the X-Men it is a good franchise but I did not get it. The MCU in the other hand makes sense . THE DC UNIVERSE IS SO EMPTY!

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Happyface1236
Happyface1236

Do K-pop next.

Vor 19 Tage
PrehistoricBiiirds?
PrehistoricBiiirds?

I don't understand what you're trying to say, this was really disjointed...

Vor 19 Tage
Abood Ash
Abood Ash

As much as anyone would disagree, I think Vox is partially right in the video. Sometimes, these easter eggs can give people crossover hype, not telling stories. I can say that Vox is wrong about the fact that the MCU is just crossovers and that nobody wouldn't notice Aquaman in Marvel or Hawkeye in DC, but they're right about something; the MCU has problems with it's continuity and crossover hype can be a bit too much. You can dislike this comment, you can be mad at me, but I'm just saying my opinion. The MCU doesn't really feel empty, but it's flawed.

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Leo CHEN
Leo CHEN

Honestly, this doesn't feel like a well thought out video to explain their point, but rather a video just so they could get one out. My consciousness would be eased if this video was removed and they uploaded a video that actually made sense.

Vor 19 Tage
Ian O'Padrick
Ian O'Padrick

Mork and Mindy was a spinoff of Happy Days, that wasn't a crossover

Vor 19 Tage
Riad al-Assad /MappingArm/
Riad al-Assad /MappingArm/

Some sing wong

Vor 20 Tage
desu38
desu38

Did Vox just use the NPC meme?

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oz pardo
oz pardo

he thinks exactly like my dad, right down to "I bet next they will put aquaman in there"

Vor 20 Tage
donovan carrasco
donovan carrasco

In the X-men universe you don’t have to pick a side it’s only the brotherhood who thinks like that everyone else wants to co-exist

Vor 20 Tage
Manash Jyoti Saikia
Manash Jyoti Saikia

Yaah you think!!! Non of this makes any snese

Vor 20 Tage
Edan Ashkenazi
Edan Ashkenazi

If you put aquaman on a marvel poster, every single fan would notice

Vor 20 Tage
Ruben Gallardo
Ruben Gallardo

It's empty because of thanos

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