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@2:35 Lung Cancer
just bought your book...
See how fast we fuck shit up?
Lol listening to Joe trying to come up with descriptives for reservations and their conditions was great. "SMOKE UP JOHNNY!!"
I hope they disinfect those mics lol
Actually it’s because Texas came into the Union as it’s own country versus almost all of the western territories were purchased by the federal government and then released for settlement. The reason there is so much public land in the west is because at one time ALL of it was public
There is no federal land in Texas because Texas was a republic and independent for 10 years before agreeing to be joined with the United States. Part of the agreement for the joining was that Texas got to keep all the public land. The state of Texas sold it all off and raised a lot of $...which is long ago spent. A very good lesson as to why the US needs to keep control of the public lands it now controls and not allow the states to have it and sell it. I am surprised that Gwynne did not know this. He handled this question very poorly.
I live in southern Oklahoma by the DFW and the Chic and Chic are crazy rich with the casinos
SOUNDS A LOT LIKE SOUTH AFRICA
Joe “i wonder if Indians took DMT” Rogan
Having lived in Western North Carolina, I know about The Eastern Band of the Cherokee Indians. (They stayed during the Trail of Tears.) Officially known as "The Qualla Boundary," they have a casino. It's the only casino in North Carolina and the Q.B. is known as the 101st county of the state. Even though we think Indian Nations/territories are sovereign, they are not. They ostensibly deal directly with the federal government, there are also many laws that force them to deal with the state governments. They get screwed every time! The EBOC
Uhm, it's called freedom. #texas
their way of life was sustainable in every way, population, environment etc, yeh they didn't want to be farmers because look where we are now
this guy said himself they struggled to keep their numbers up because they died too much. doesn't sound like it was sustainable.
Yes Joe their land is small and s*** because they went to war against America and lost. I'm sure America offered some sort of peace treaty but no they would rather raid and pillage
Indian Generals massacred American Settlers you idolising them as warlords they didn't want open borders. yet trump's a piece of shit wake up and stop talking about it
I’m from Nevada which is mostly public land. In all fairness, there is absolute fuck and all you can do with most of the land beside mining.
The Indians should have not sold the white man there land and then cry about it years later
My family is Chickasaw. It's always been fascinating to me how they stuck the Chickasaw and Choctaw next to the Comanche. It wasn't exactly great. It's sad how much the US government forced them around.
the reservation are concentration camps or prison camps and the government called reservations afterwards
Tail end of the flu, goddamn 😭
They've got weed shops and casinos they're not hurting Joe!!!
FINALLY!! Joe Rogan was a very good interviewer & not annoying & pretentious. Kudos, Rogan
Actually Robert E Lee was in charge of the reservation when it was located on the clear Fork of the Brazos in Throckmorton County Tx.
There was a reservation for the Comanche's in north Central Texas and later the Indians were moved to Oklahoma "Indian Territory" and continued to raid across the Red River into Texas.
Death of the Native American tribes sounds about as fast as the death of the white American tribe. Majority to minority in 30-50 years.
Thes guys do not know what they are talking about. I recommend y'all watch some of Don Fraziers videos to get a non "politically correct" version of this story. The comanches were feared by the Mexicans, Texans and every other tribe except the Kiowas. The Kiowas were their toadies that palled up with them. The comanches raided all the local Texas tribes and drove the Apache from Texas. As for the "poor little comanches" there was no place for them in Texas after killing, raping, and stealing everything on the Texas Llano.
Great book, great read, I recommend any of Mr. Gwynne’s books.
This guy is a wackjob!!
Biyatch coughed right into the mic! Got the headphones on! Messin' up my high with the Comanches!
Australian Aboriginal people where literally living in the stone age ,that's not trying to be disrespectful it's just the truth ,they had the most rudimentary existence of hunting and gathering ,google Aboriginal desert people 1984 ,that's when some of the last people living traditional lives in the desert walked into a town for the first time ,and encountered white people ,true story.
Sorry professor. Indian oral history is a basic fabric of the culture. Much was not written down and it is taken very seriously. Anthropologists have time and again confirmed things well after the fact scientifically that Native peoples have held in their lore for hundreds of years (Contact with Vikings for one). That being said. The Comanches were a ruthless people. They ruled by fear. They raped and pillaged, kept and sold slaves of all races including other tribes. They scalped and traded scalps. These are all things that some people only attribute to European cultures but all these existed well before any contact with Europeans. Of course they were noble too, had good like all cultures. But let's not sugarcoat things.
Try to get in touch with my cousin Ben ototivo he's really smart and knows alot about our culture more than I could tell you he teaches our culture all over the world and is a professor in Philadelphia check him out or hmu if you want to get into contact with him he's the man to put on your show if you want to know more about Comanche culture current and old
I am Comanche we are dominantly in Lawton Oklahoma and in Dallas Texas we do not have reservations but we have land that we operate out of and we get around 1500 every November from our casino earnings and we are growing rapidly our numbers are increasing due to the enrollment and our branching out towards different states
https://youtu.be/OAX3jl4lo-w Colombus Day Rules...
Native Americans have a history of oral history, passed down for generations.
The Mayans had an advanced civilization even without the wheel. They had understanding and mappings of the constellations, precisely timed the equinox and solstice, understood the concept of zero before any European, had advanced farming and complex agriculture(taught the Europeans how to properly farm crops), had structures that still stand today thousands of years later(pyramids) had a precise calender more precise than any European calendar of the time, had scholars, teachers, astronomers, organized military etc. Oh and did I mention they had one of the biggest cities on the planet when they were at there height(around 200,000 people) the Aztec had the biggest of their time at about 400,000 people. I love how racist people always say native Americans didn't contribute much to human civilization lol. Corn alone has helped society get to where we are now. Of course the envious Europeans attempted to wipe out all traces of the amazing accomplishments and in place want to glorify and exaggerate negative traits like human sacrifice. Which is blown all out of proportion. Yes they sacrificed people, but not to the extent they say. Just the prisoners of war. I mean didn't the Europeans also execute people publicly until the 20th century? Same difference. Oh and BTW the Europeans not only pillaged many of the major cities of the Incans, Mayans, aztecs etc, but also almost destroyed and wiped out an entire civilization (95 percent of native were killed via small pox and murder). Don't forget that they also had freedom of religion with a melting pot of different tribes. Mayan cultivation of corn and breeding it to genetically modify over centuries to what we have today.
@Underworlddream that makes sense. Plus they had all the resources they would have needed in the surrounding area.
They actually know about the wheels. There evidence in ancient messoamerican children toys. It that there environment don't allow them to utilize it so they didn't bother to.
Omg im tired of people falsely recongizing history ..indians arr immigrants from south america !!!!!EUROPEAN VIKING FOUNDED AND SETTLED IN AMERICA OVER 500 YEARS BEFORE INDIANS
Both of you oughta get some real info. This documentary by Spencer Wells is nearly 20 years old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBJDGzzrMyQ. I'd also take a look at Jared Diamond's documentary Guns, Germs and Steel. Good Luck
Donny..no..you're having a fantasy episode..Vikings were not hunting giant hairy elephants here in the Americas..there are no Vikings in the burial mounds..but guess what..red people were..and are. Go get educated.
Everyone should watch Russell Means speak in front of Congress in 1989. People (especially guilt ridden white people) have an IDEA of reservations but, like Means argues, it's socalism on American land. The government has actively kept the Native Indian population stagnant by keeping them under reservations. And what they also don't realize is that even Native Americans are susceptible to greed and why many...MANY reservations are failing. I live in Arizona and have majority of my life. I now live in the White Mountains where half the population is Native. I used to have to drive through reservations to get to work and have had friends who lived on reservations (many prefer not to). It's a shame to me that many Americans think reservations are the best chance for native life. Native Americans have some of thee worst statistics in demographically in the US. HS drop out rates, drunk driving, addiction, alcoholism etc. And you see this primarily in reservations where leadership is failing. Where, just like public schools, the money that is given by government is halted at the top and never reaches the classroom/tribe members. It's a matter of government intervention rather than the tribes themselves. Don't believe me? Check out reservations who went private. Fort Mcdowell was one of the first tribes to fight agaisnt government regulation when the government tried to tell them which machines they could use in their casinos (hence the rise in casinos, another way for tribes to make money rather than take the bare minimum the government was willing to offer). Today, it is one of the most successful tribes in the state. Where the average tribe members makes 80,000 a year. Very interesting stuff. I should also note, becuase this is the internet, that other tribes/reservations are thriving. I just have a different experience here in AZ and would argue that majoritt are NOT thriving.
Most Native Americans never had permanent lands. They were always getting moved around by war with other tribes. The white tribe moved them last.. that’s all. Now the white tribes are getting moved.. lol. Circle of life.
Quanah Parker became quite successful and wealthy by charging cattle ranchers driving cattle north so much per head. The Comanches whole history was based on raiding and trading.
Speaking to a nation member today not efficient? I wasn't aware of the great need for expediency in historical non-ehhmfiction. I thought capturing a cumulative perspective and accuracy held more weight in that field. Particularly when the subjects of your book have such a rich oral tradition. Yes your "of the time" interviews are certainly something to reference and include, I would hardly say that are undiluted first hand accounts of events. Even audio recordings would have to take in to account the freedom with which the storyteller felt they were able to speak, etc. I have to watch more of this arseholes interview before I draw further conclusion but thus far, he is not putting his best colonial boot forward.
Im just a simple doppleganger
Would it really matter if they had a reservation take a look at the mount Rushmore monument, all that land was a reservation.
I'm not convinced this guy has his facts straight. He seems slightly dodgy and drops anecdotal tidbits that don't quite fit together.
The Americans , needed a Centralized government , a port city , a currency and an armory that produced large weapons ! Time passed them by , but I believe one day the way world is going it could be where their lifestyle and beliefs would once again be needed and relevant !
Native Americans should have had tighter immigration policies.
A lot of South Texas Comanches assimilated into hispanic culture. Ema Tenayuca was a chicano labor rights leader, yet full blooded Comanche.
Horvat Lovren the little wee white people 🤣😂😂 That’s why their women aren’t pleased 💀💀💀
@Martin Ramirez You are right. The term Hispanic/Latino does not belong to those of Amerindian descent. unfortunately its been hijacked by 5ft Amerindian midgets ... when in reality its a term used for people of Southern European descent with a Latin cultural background.
@Martin Ramirez true dat! 💪
sal-man Chicano isn’t a race And we aren’t Hispanic The majority of the people you call Hispanic are actually just native Americans
You should have a thousand thumbs up but these people are very ignorant
The Mdewaknton Sioux in Minnesota, who were active participants in the Sioux Uprising in the 1860 era, are now quite wealthy due to their ownership stake in the Mystic Lake Casino. In fact there are no casinos in Minnesota that are not Indian owned. Hinckely Mn, north of the cities, is owned by the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe, and the casino is very successful. I saw several concerts there and the place is impressive. Food is good, fairly cheap.
"They gave out individual proportions of land." This fkn guy
Yes, they did. During the administration of the Dawes Rolls reservation land in Oklahoma was divided up amongst Cherokee families. Many sold it off to white ranchers and farmers.
This seems somewhat related: https://youtu.be/Nggqe-L9ZQ8
A lot of the poorer reservations are terribly crime ridden. My uncle used to live near a res in Colorado, and it wasn’t uncommon to see someone walk into a CVS, down a bottle of rubbing alcohol, and black out in the parking lot.
Private property FTW!
Get Elizabeth Warren on the podcast.
The pc culture has to stop. The tern native american is such bullshit. Anyone born in america reguardless of race is a native american.
We have plenty of state parks in Texas.
Eloquently said Joe...broke them.
canada ontario saw sum bright light thing super common on the reservation toss a coin to your witch
The native Americans had the coolest names ever. Arapahoe, comanche, sioux, iroquois, Apache, Navajo, and on and on. Awesome culture.
@leomarkaable1 yes. Anishinaabe...but it sounds the way you spelled it
@Evan Tucker very true. In Canada, we don't say Eskimo...they're the Inuit. I could go on and on. There are now 3000 reserves on Google maps and they're being renamed, back to the names those people have those places, every one with an exit sign on the highway because we don't hide those places anymore.
@Deneen Hill er, I don't give af about you. Read my post again, where do I claim to know anything about Native Americans?
"Chippewa" transmuted to "Ojibwe" eventually to Anishanabe, which is the correct name, I understand.
David I’m not Iroquois, I’m Rotinonhsion:ni. Do the little bit of work to find the real history told by the indigenous people themselves. We’re tired of and insulted that white men keep stepping out in front of us claiming to be the expert on who we are
You cant even drink water on my tribes rez(omaha, macy) reseravtions are third world countries right here in the usa
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