Why self-driving cars have stalled | It's Complicated

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    Fully fledged self-driving technology appears to be perpetually just around the corner. It is a promise that the Tesla chief executive, Elon Musk, has made almost every year since 2013.
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    But in the real world, it is still an open question whether level five self-driving automation is actually possible. Josh Toussaint-Strauss finds out how close industry frontrunners have come to full autopilot mode and assess the scale of the problems standing in their way.

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Driven to distraction: how close are we to watching films in self-driving cars? ► https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/apr/20/driven-to-distraction-how-close-are-we-to-watching-films-in-self-driving-cars

Vor 2 Monate
GWAForUTBE
GWAForUTBE

@Roxas Kinghearts yeah i get it.. somehow. Google sends vehicles out into the general public roadways without drivers.. how is that legal? Atleaat Tesla uses irs many driver miles to teach its AI.

Vor 17 Tage
Roxas Kinghearts
Roxas Kinghearts

@GWAForUTBE more like clear over hype from a tesla boy fun fact no one owns a waymo and only goes to show this debate is over your head

Vor 17 Tage
GWAForUTBE
GWAForUTBE

@Roxas Kinghearts so how many (millions of miles logged)?? Nothing compared to Tesla. Waynos system uses lidar still?? Too expensive for mass production. Sounds like a last chamce stand off from gogle. Itll be Tesla that leases this software to the big legacy, amazom delivery, and any others that can afford to pay Elon the big bucks to use it.

Vor 17 Tage
Roxas Kinghearts
Roxas Kinghearts

@GWAForUTBE no waymo is better then even that and people are starting to understand the power of computer scientists hitting a project that are kept up to date compared to git hub quality vs quantity can benefit times more when the quality has tools like what these guys have they basically from the ground up made everything in waymo so its just learning how to better adapt this into a black box that is easy to install which i mean they could hire a car company which they have and then its just finalizing a car waymo went software car which is so google

Vor 18 Tage
GWAForUTBE
GWAForUTBE

@Roxas Kinghearts except Elons fsd is better. Teslas dont all get lost down some dead rd all at once.

Vor 18 Tage
H U
H U

I can see it causing more issues for companies with loss of life particularly in public being too burdensome.

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Canadian Prepper
Canadian Prepper

I have FSD and can tell you that its nothing short of amazing, sometimes it does incredible things, but theres the rare occasion where its definetly skittish. All the people criticizing Musk for saying "next year" need to understand that its improving drastically every year and once it gets to that 99.99999% accuracy it will NEVER get worse. That is, ones it crosses the threshold of human capability it will start being far superior to human drivers eventually making driving obsolete.

Vor Monat
geronimo8159
geronimo8159

Well, there's always another next year, Elon 🌝.

Vor 2 Monate
lance thrust
lance thrust

SNAKEOILS SALESMAN

Vor 22 Tage
HavelockVetinari
HavelockVetinari

@DylanNicolasSG What has he achieved that was impossible?

Vor 24 Tage
HavelockVetinari
HavelockVetinari

@RFish He said it would be done by 2015, but keep believing. (He would not get it done anyways. The people he pays would).

Vor 24 Tage
Tom Wright
Tom Wright

Research comes in fits and starts

Vor 25 Tage
Lascar
Lascar

What matters for him is only that a lot of amateurs will be buying his stock, always believing that someday SpaceX will land humans on Mars, and cars will be fully autonomous. Musk doesn't need to fulfill it, he just need to blind people

Vor 28 Tage
Sur Som Satan
Sur Som Satan

Driving a modern Volvo and having it slam the brakes on me passing between two parked cars was all I needed to know about how "advanced" it is.

Vor Monat
triadwarfare
triadwarfare

5:17 no matter how many "safety features" you put in your car, prevention is always better because the safety systems can fail just like what you see here.

Vor 2 Monate
Jim J
Jim J

@SwankyKoala Nope. Bikes are terrible. You get wet and cold if the weather is bad and you get skin damage from the sun. You also get lots of accidents from falling over. And the bikes get stolen all the time.

Vor Monat
SwankyKoala
SwankyKoala

@triadwarfare I see self-driving cars as trying to optimise an inefficient problem. The most optimal form of transportation is actually bikes. They are far safer and allows urban planners to more efficiently put everything closer such that any place can be reached with either bikes or public transportation. Not Just Bikes video, "Why Grocery Shopping is better in Amsterdam" descibes how grocery shopping in a bike-centric environment is not that big of a hassle compared to shopping the US.

Vor 2 Monate
Sean Kilburn
Sean Kilburn

That isn’t a valid argument in support of cars though. You simply have issues with any other method of transport because of poor city design and infrastructure. I’d recommend checking out the channel ‘Not just bikes’ or just briefly looking into city design in the Netherlands if you’re interested.

Vor 2 Monate
triadwarfare
triadwarfare

@martijn games NL as an introvert, I hate "social circles" but I do see your point on the rest. My only issue on commuting is that it's difficult to commute in my country, especially if you're carrying groceries. You can't buy as much as if you had a car as you have to consider hand carrying it on a train/bus or whatever unique point to point transportation you have in your country.

Vor 2 Monate
martijn games NL
martijn games NL

like reducing the amount of car overall by making neigbourhouds more easy and safe for walkers and cycles and improving the public transport network I see self driving cars as a anti human solution since it keep humans seperate (in groups of 5 in a car) rather than making commuting more social like cycles can

Vor 2 Monate
Henri Zwols
Henri Zwols

5:03 "This is what can happen under level 2 automation" This can happen under level 3 automation as well. At level 1, 2 and 3 there needs to be driver attention, something that was missing here.

Vor 2 Monate
Hank Moody
Hank Moody

With level 2 no car company is liable. With level 3, e.g. Mercedes is liable for the actions taken by the system. You as a driver only have to be able to take over in a certain timespan 5 to 10 sec I think. With level 2 you as a driver always have to supervise the car's surroundings and the system's actions at all time.

Vor Monat
sDdnDSiduAe4b -
sDdnDSiduAe4b -

i think level 3 guarantees safety and road rules compliance, but requires driver to be ready to take control in reasonable time for him to get situation awareness (5 sec?) in case car got itself into situation where it can't do it job (i.e. road construction, weaver change, difficult road situation (in this case car slowdowns or stops completely until driver ready to take control, obviously to not create traffic jams driver needs to be ready to take control in reasonable time) , in level 2 driver is responsible for safety and he must maintain situation awareness all the time(no sms/book reading, or tv watching), level 4 means car is ready to be on the streets without human driver at all. (but human driver can be remote, but if there is no connection and road situation is too difficult car should be able to park itself without breaking road rules).

Vor 2 Monate
Varun Namjoshi
Varun Namjoshi

It's just impossible in India. Even humans cannot predict what will happen next on our roads😂

Vor 2 Monate
Haris
Haris

@GWAForUTBE wdym

Vor 2 Tage
GWAForUTBE
GWAForUTBE

@Haris i have no idea how people continually think they are faster than a computer.

Vor 3 Tage
Haris
Haris

@GWAForUTBE why can't it exist in india

Vor 3 Tage
GWAForUTBE
GWAForUTBE

@Haris why what?

Vor 3 Tage
Haris
Haris

why

Vor 4 Tage
Luis Martinez
Luis Martinez

Keep your hands on the wheel no matter until it’s actually proven that the world has reached that capability. I do it with my Honda but still have my eyes on the road and on the wheel. Don’t be cocky or else you’ll end up being one of those fatal.

Vor 2 Monate
Henri Zwols
Henri Zwols

@Yoo Brynner There aren't any. Hence keep your hands on the wheel.

Vor 2 Monate
Yoo Brynner
Yoo Brynner

So what's the point in self driving vehicles???

Vor 2 Monate
Jocelyn Williams
Jocelyn Williams

Which on giving you a better self driving experience the honda or tesla ??

Vor 2 Monate
dreffon
dreffon

The question seems to depend mostly on the threshold we collectively set for this technology to be considered safe. Is it "better than humans" or "virtually infallible" ? The first one might be achieved, not the second one

Vor 2 Monate
letsburn00
letsburn00

Even the first one is extremely hard. One thing about AI is there is always a threshold (say 90%) that is easy. Then the next 50% improvement (to 95%) takes the same amount of effort. They need to make dozens of these scale of improvement cycles.

Vor Monat
dreffon
dreffon

@Imp5011 I was answering a specific point of the video that showcases some fatal accidents involving Tesla's "autopilot", and from there concludes that AI driving "already failed". When actually, for a very specific task like driving on well-maintained highway for several hours, AI driving is definitely safer than human driving. Cherry-picked examples of accidents occuring on a highway do not disprove that. Is a versatile AI driver, capable of being safer than a human in city centres, country roads, roadwork zones, etc. possible? Maybe, maybe not. Tesla's approach seems to have reached its limits, but the lidar-based approach is still showing progress

Vor Monat
Imp5011
Imp5011

The whole point of the film is that automation is not nearly as capable as a human driver. So how do you propose that a system better than a human could be achieved?

Vor Monat
Gagnepower
Gagnepower

@Kapten Hiu I dont understand your comment, are you adding to to comment your are responding to?

Vor Monat
Kapten Hiu
Kapten Hiu

If "AI driver" is not safer than human driver, then what's the point of an AI DRIVER then? Then there's no advantage of AI here. In economic terms, It's much cheaper to hire someone to drive for you in a regular car

Vor 2 Monate
Making Waves
Making Waves

One thing is to make autonomous cars driving around in sunny California. Another thing is to do the same in parts of the world with heavy snow, poor or missing road markings, and in a climate where you are nearer to the elements.

Vor Monat
logitech4873
logitech4873

@David Berchtold They're not that expensive. I could afford a model 3.

Vor Monat
David Berchtold
David Berchtold

@logitech4873 and cost like a zillion dollars. Who, besides the very wealthy, can afford it.

Vor Monat
Alexander Williams
Alexander Williams

This is actually so true I live in LA but born in Cleveland I wouldn’t trust my self drive there

Vor Monat
Dab Dab Goose
Dab Dab Goose

@logitech4873 except it doesn't work and needs assistance.

Vor Monat
logitech4873
logitech4873

Tesla autopilot works even in heavy rain at night, roads with poor markings, and during snowfall. Greetings from someone who lives north of the arctic circle.

Vor Monat
Chris
Chris

(Original video on my channel) So that's actually my dash camera video from 0:54 to 0:55 and my Tesla was NOT in any autopilot at all, it had performed some emergency braking while I was driving manually. The traffic lights were out at the intersection and the other car just blew on through.

Vor 2 Monate
Chris
Chris

@JStack I'm not surprised it's used out of context, that happens a lot. And nah I didn't see the car at all since the driver next to me blocked my view. They had a perfect view of that oncoming car. I didn't know the car was there until it was right about to slam my quarter panel and then the AEB kicked in immediately

Vor 2 Monate
JStack
JStack

@Chris surprising they misrepresented your footage. Also pay more attention and don’t rely on emergency auto brakes. The driver next to you in the clip saw the vehicle coming and braked well before you. Glad the feature was able to save you

Vor 2 Monate
Chris
Chris

@JStack it's uploaded now to my channel

Vor 2 Monate
Chris
Chris

@logitech4873 it's uploaded to my channel now

Vor 2 Monate
Chris
Chris

@logitech4873 yeah, sure why not I'll get that up there

Vor 2 Monate
Nice One
Nice One

The problem is the restrictions from the current algorithms. For example, they can use supervised learning to train the vehicles to make the right movement, but that requires so much driving data and like the video said there could be endless of data (rare events) that the vehicles haven’t been trained on. In order to train the vehicles more properly, the best way is for it to learn on its own, like alpha go train itself by playing millions of matches against itself. Now we are into the world of reinforcement learning. Alpha go can be successful because the environment and rules of go is fixed, so it can effectively play millions of episodes and it can encounter all of those possibilities that could happen in a real game. But training a car is different as that would mean we need to build a simulation world where it’s similar to our real world, and hence Elon mentioned to solve fsd, we might need a real world AI (or mostly known in AI field, AGI). Unless there is a further breakthrough, I doubt FSD can be achieved in the next 10 years. We can already say auto pilot can outperform human in many scenarios, but we cannot say it can outperform human in driving a car, because human can react to rare events so much better than auto pilot can.

Vor 26 Tage
Jakob Bauz
Jakob Bauz

Tesla actually made the test drivers pay, are you serious? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Vor 16 Stunden
eons Luna • Alex Ong
eons Luna • Alex Ong

Well, if you want a full self-driving car, there’s always Christine. 👀

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TruthFullAttic
TruthFullAttic

I have a self driving car: The rail guided car (AKA the train)

Vor 2 Monate
J Huc
J Huc

When this realises it’s potential passenger rail is in trouble. The potential for higher vehicle speeds and convoying for the bulk of journeys plus AI traffic flow management then collection and drop off at the point of need by a fully charged autonomous EV - this will be a whole new ball game for road transport.

Vor 29 Tage
I Cast Eldritch Blast
I Cast Eldritch Blast

I like trains. Chooooo chooooo.

Vor Monat
lenonel
lenonel

@KCJbomberFTW yeah I hate getting stabbed every morning but you get used to it

Vor 2 Monate
Treefarm
Treefarm

I have been on a couple of automated monorail trains in Japan, one in Kobe, the other in Osaka. They are elevated and access places harder to get to quickly.

Vor 2 Monate
KCJbomberFTW
KCJbomberFTW

@Andrew Baumann not in LA no

Vor 2 Monate
J Huc
J Huc

Needs to be implemented with the changeover to EV’s - a perfect solution to charging - a subscription or pay as you go based service where the vehicle takes itself off to the nearest charging hub and another one drives itself to the point of need. The end of vehicle ownership is in sight and the only objectors will be status symbol cravers and people who seek to drive over the speed limit. Bring it on please.

Vor 29 Tage
rickfarny
rickfarny

It may be able to work in a place like Phoenix Arizona, but I can't see it happening ever in places like Europe or Asia where the streets are so much more varied, busy and narrow.

Vor Monat
D I
D I

so there's 100,000 drivers on the road using AI software that needs to be "taught" through their mistakes....sounds safe, glad we all get to be apart of this experiment.

Vor Monat
Enjoys Learning And travel
Enjoys Learning And travel

They must have their hand on the steering wheel and be watching at all times while they are a part of the experiment and have to sign some kind of agreement I heard from someone who’s doing it.

Vor Monat
Adrian Colley
Adrian Colley

I remain convinced that the end state for self-driving cars will be that they drive very cautiously unless overridden by a human, and remote drivers will offer that as a service.

Vor 2 Monate
Tom
Tom

Tesla beta drives pretty assertive with the newest update. Also les phantom braking. Just watch dirty Tesla or ai driver or chuck they thest those new updates from fsd beta for us and it's impressive what it's capable of

Vor 2 Monate
pm
pm

Very interesting 👍🏻

Vor 2 Monate
R M
R M

Either a car can learn to do what a person does, or an intelligent road can be built so as to meet the car half way.

Vor Monat
Madhukar
Madhukar

The greatest power human beings have is 'unpredictability'

Vor 2 Monate
Julia M
Julia M

Every single automaker and autonomous company has misjudged how long it would take to have autonomous cars. Projections change every year, just like Tesla. However, these misprojections are not newsworthy unless they are Tesla. Machine learning progress is hard to predict. Look at protein folding, Go, and other projects. People either overestimated or underestimated, and then suddenly they were here.

Vor 2 Monate
logitech4873
logitech4873

Elon does need to shut up though

Vor 2 Monate
Jamey Hall
Jamey Hall

My problem with this sort of analysis is that it never brings up the dangers of human drivers. Does the technology need to be perfect, or just better than human drivers?

Vor Monat
Simon Tømte
Simon Tømte

I'd assume that for it to drive better than human drivers that would implicitly say you've solved the issue with AI. At that point why wouldn't it be perfect. At that point you've got a car that understands the environment, and as it's a computer the optimal manoeuvring should be a easy calculation. Seems though that "fans" of Tesla FSD like to undeestimate human drivers, as to say the worst act of the worst human driver is what self-driving has to perform better than, which is fair in terms of avoiding certain accidents, but unless you've solved everything else the self-driving will itself cause accidents in all other kinds of scenarios.

Vor Monat
KDude
KDude

Well right now it's making human drivers worse because the driver will only drive when something goes wrong.

Vor Monat
Bader Hajali
Bader Hajali

This is waaaaay into the future. Automate the trains which are on rails then think of automating cars.

Vor 2 Monate
Bader Hajali
Bader Hajali

@Zz Mmz that is very true my friend. Very true

Vor 24 Tage
Zz Mmz
Zz Mmz

@Bader Hajali west like to tax everything. Then spent it the most in military. They will tax air and water if they can.

Vor 24 Tage
Bader Hajali
Bader Hajali

@Zz Mmz you are correct. Gas in general is not expensive in the west. It's just taxed heavily. As for the train comment it was mainly pointed to the west. Eu and north america where trains are not fully automated due to regulations and job market. The whole idea is that even with trains being on rails, we don't see automated trains in every country. Therefore automated cars on roads that have people walking and cyclists riding their bikes it is much much harder to automate a car.

Vor 24 Tage
Zz Mmz
Zz Mmz

@Bader Hajali even in my so called "third world country" has automated trains. Even our oil price at gas station is 0.5 dollar per litre. Same price as before covid.

Vor 24 Tage
Bader Hajali
Bader Hajali

@Neon_1990 that is very true. It is definitely something that is inevitable.

Vor 25 Tage
zebonaut smith
zebonaut smith

The Cars have to communicate with each other; and the streets need to be intelligent as well. Even the street signs. Everything must communicate with everything else and store what it has learned.

Vor 25 Tage
Nobodis Tribe
Nobodis Tribe

"We are no closer to autonomous driving," that's not true. Some of what they showed as ai failing was manual driving They said everyone paid $12k for autopilot That's not true.

Vor 2 Monate
4G63 Turbo
4G63 Turbo

If the cars are all self contained units that need no direct network connections to other cars, at least the anomalous behaviour can be isolated to individual cars. Problem is, if they are actually linked via 5G or equivalent/superior networks and work as part of a large hive mind, anyone who somehow hacks and disrupts the network can cause traffic mayhem on a scale unprecedented in human history.

Vor 2 Monate
BlinkShackLit
BlinkShackLit

Exactly what Tesla is working to prevent

Vor 2 Monate
Martyn Haggerty
Martyn Haggerty

The problem is not just seeing what's in front of you...but predicting what will happen in the next few seconds. As much psychological as computational.

Vor Monat
Henrik Rasmussen
Henrik Rasmussen

Major errors in this video. The accidents with Teslas, equipped with so called "autonomous driving systems", had nothing to do with FSD, which is what the video is all about. The accidents was also not necessarily caused by the AP. Statistics shows that their software reduces the number of accidents significantly. Also, Teslas autonomous capability is way beyond competitors technology-wise, but according to laws and regulation it is to be treated as level 2.

Vor 25 Tage
Apollo V Academy
Apollo V Academy

This is why Apple uses the iPhone as a platform for sensor development. Lidar on mobile perfect machine vision, real world scale test it on billions of devices. Adding a battery and a motor is the easier to do when the software stack is so stable. Millions of Devs unfortunately I think Tesla needs that super computer.

Vor 2 Monate
RasakBlood
RasakBlood

Thats not how the real world works.

Vor 2 Monate
Izoto
Izoto

Optimizing traffic and car population levels along with mass investment in public transport > making rich people/corporations even richer.

Vor 2 Monate
1queijocas
1queijocas

@Baron Von Jo absolutely, cars will remain the best mode of transportation in less populated areas. I was referring to transport within cities while attacking the “solutions” given by people like Elon Musk and auto-makers

Vor 2 Monate
Baron Von Jo
Baron Von Jo

Unless you physically move millions of homes, buildings, companies, stores, etc most of us can't and never will use public transportation. That's a privilege for rich folks in cities. The denser the housing the more expensive it is. I like the idea of public transportation buts it's a pipe dream for millions of us who can't afford to pickup our entire lives to move to a dense concrete jungle.

Vor 2 Monate
Chris Nguyen
Chris Nguyen

No matter how much technology you pile onto cars, nothing is greener than being able to use your own two feet to walk to the store and get your groceries

Vor 2 Monate
1queijocas
1queijocas

self-driving cars are the wrong solution. What we need is to re-design cities to be walkable and fully served by public transport. Self-driving is a bad solution provided by corporations to make themselves richer at our expense and safety.

Vor 2 Monate
No Brainer
No Brainer

I'm a heavy equipment driver and I'm opposed to self driving vehicle! That's very bad for my well-being and those millions of operators/driver's all over the world! Let's all stand together and not let this happen! Stop automation! Automation is evil! Automation kill's!

Vor Monat
No Brainer
No Brainer

@logitech4873 I want it but also I can't let many of our fellow heavy equipment operator and drivers to go out of work. Self driving vehicle are our main adversary.

Vor Monat
logitech4873
logitech4873

You don't have to buy a self driving car if you don't want one.

Vor Monat
Sweeping Time
Sweeping Time

We do have self-driving cars. You just have to be willing to ignore casualties if you use it. What incredible societal change.

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Exo's proud mama bear
Exo's proud mama bear

Ai really develops faster than anticipated but we still have time before image recognition can go perfect and fast. Most ai developments happen in 6 months to 1 year nowadays so I think it will at least take 3-4 progressed algorithms to perfect the model which will take 2-4 years. And after that, they still need to implement the car so we have a long way to go.

Vor 2 Monate
Jim Crelm
Jim Crelm

@Exo's proud mama bear Yeah about that...

Vor Monat
Exo's proud mama bear
Exo's proud mama bear

@Jim Crelm Figuritive speech,"We" is for whole humanity.

Vor Monat
Jim Crelm
Jim Crelm

Who is this "we"?

Vor Monat
Huma Onyango
Huma Onyango

Aren't self driving cars already on the road from last year, or even the year before?

Vor 2 Monate
Crissa Kentavr
Crissa Kentavr

Yes. There have been self-driving cars driving for for-profit companies in closed betas for about four years. In 2020 they were allowed to be open to the public. It's limited areas, and limited services, but they do exist, and are constantly expanding.

Vor 2 Monate
jimmyt1988
jimmyt1988

Can't wait to have a chauffeur ready to drive me anywhere I wish. It'll be so cool! I did have the opportunity to test out Tesla lane keeping etc and it's very impressive; albeit a little nerve racking... I see many videos coming out of America with these "self driving betas" - They are incredibly impressive! Such an insanely difficult problem to solve; I'm so proud of humans taking it on. Legends!

Vor 2 Monate
Natenae
Natenae

@Balackman I see must be one of those country exclusive products. Hopefully the bring to you soon.

Vor 7 Tage
Balackman
Balackman

@Natenae Walk? What is this odd word you speak of? We don't have that in America.

Vor 9 Tage
Erebos
Erebos

Tesla admitted they are level 2 and will stay there with the current hardware. If you know the limits of a level 2 system, it can be a quite relaxing and save experience for everybody involved. Even if i wouldn’t buy a tesla (in fact i didn’t, but the brands i chose offer both great level 2 systems)

Vor 2 Monate
Natenae
Natenae

@Tom Wright Walk to the bus stop 😂

Vor 2 Monate
Tom Wright
Tom Wright

@HeyGuysI’mCharlie * Doesn't go from my house * Doesn't go to my destination * Crowded * Cameras everywhere * Often no seats On the other hand... not sure cities would support that many uber taxis

Vor 2 Monate
David Egan
David Egan

Just goes to show how powerful people's on board computer (mind) is

Vor 2 Monate
Noni Khanna
Noni Khanna

Not powerful, we just have years and years of real world data to identify possible obstructions, while computers have only had a few years. For example we know not to hit a cow or a sheep. A computer still has to learn that.

Vor 2 Monate
Al-Paciyes
Al-Paciyes

Self drive car, self pilot aircrafts....we will get there. Science always evolves. 500 years ago who would have thought there would be smoke alarm😂

Vor 2 Monate
Enjoys Learning And travel
Enjoys Learning And travel

Who would’ve thought there would be smart phones?

Vor Monat
Cyril Jan
Cyril Jan

@Jim Heeren What you don’t see is Autopilot for aircrafts is treated as a huge driving aid. Pilot’s have heavy workload and we have to multitask, keep in constant touch with ATC, and require to adjust through every info given such as change in weather, altitude, air traffic, etc. Those constant changes are then applied to the AP system and if the situation requires us to take full control, we take full control. Applying that to a grounded vehicle is not the same as supposed to flying. Your room is limited and you have no idea what is going through the minds of other drivers. The closest I’ll probably get to self driving is staying on cruise control on the freeway.

Vor 2 Monate
Ed J
Ed J

@Jim Heeren yes, and I'm guessing the technology to autopilot a plane is a lot simpler than that needed for a car. There would be simply less objects to identify and far less to hit.

Vor 2 Monate
Jim Heeren
Jim Heeren

Airplanes fly on autopilot for like 90% of the time. Basically only the taking off and landing is done by the pilots. And even then landing is helped with a lot of computing power

Vor 2 Monate
Barry
Barry

I am ready for self driving cars please this needs to happen

Vor Monat
Human Person
Human Person

Level 6: I am driving always. Yet the car prevents all accidents without a scratch.

Vor 2 Monate
Ceto Tan
Ceto Tan

It's like how fusion power is always 20 years away, except it's always next year.

Vor 2 Monate
Frank Wiersma
Frank Wiersma

Elon has done a lot of harm to the credibility of technological developments.

Vor Monat
djtomoy
djtomoy

I like to drive extremely dangerously to make me feel like a big man, so I’m not really interested in self drinking cars

Vor Monat
Skyler Fly
Skyler Fly

Its all about saving people from being hit by cars or those who die in a crash. Already a Tesla on Autopilot is 10x less likely to get in a crash then the average human here in the USA. That the actual statistics from over a billion miles of real world driving with autopilot over the past 8 years.

Vor 2 Monate
KDude
KDude

I guess it can never crash if it always disengages right before.

Vor Monat
Francis
Francis

i don't know how tesla came up with the values but i can say it has to be a false statement. i couldn't find any numbers how many times the driver had to take over the control when the autopilot made a mistake or disabled itself, when i see the FSD videos the value can't be zero. did it work at fog, rain, snow, night? does it work on every street? when the system works only on a autobahn then it needs to be compaired with the safty statistic for autobahn and not with a median of everything.

Vor 2 Monate
Murdo Mck
Murdo Mck

4:52 Conditional automation: The vehicle can operate on its own but the driver has to be ready to take over at any moment. How scary is that? How useful? What is the best (only) way to ensure a human driver gives their full attention to the road while the car is moving? If you have a computer and a human paying attention to the road, which of the two is best able to take the passive monitoring role, ready to step in instantly when the other makes a mistake?

Vor 2 Monate
Crissa Kentavr
Crissa Kentavr

Studies show it reduces overall fatigue - at least the ADAS version that's in every Tesla. Very useful. It's like having someone holding the wheel for you, someone always looking out the window for you. You become commander instead of engineer. You say speed, direction, and can focus on things further away from the car.

Vor 2 Monate
Yatukih001
Yatukih001

The people had enough once all other alternatives than diesel and oil had been explored and reached the conclusion that these are currently the best because they are the safest. The discovery that oil sources were being hidden as a result of The Antarctic Treaty left many customers angry. These car sales customers decided to boycott the electric and self - driving cars. And it was not just because of the treaty. It was also because of how easy it is to hack such a car.

Vor 29 Tage
Shane Mathews
Shane Mathews

I've been selling cars for 20 years, I can tell you something. If you are dealing with self-driving technology, it's been out for a few years, it's definitely glitchy because it's basically cameras that are reading lines on the road. There are so many variables. But up here in canada, when it's minus 40, strange things happen to sensors, also strange things happened in a blinding white out blizzard!

Vor 2 Monate
Erebos
Erebos

@Henri Zwols Tesla said admitted their cars are level 2 and with the current hardware will never reach level 2. i personally would love to use an autonomous car, but a hood level 2 car and a driver who knows and respects the limits of the system make a save and pleasant driving experience for everyone involved. Even if tesla wouldn’t (and wasn’t, i went with Mercedes and VW) be my choice of car.. 😁😉

Vor 2 Monate
Shane Mathews
Shane Mathews

@Henri Zwols yes that's exactly what I'm saying if you can't even get that to work then what

Vor 2 Monate
Henri Zwols
Henri Zwols

That's not self driving. That's lane assist. A level 2 feature.

Vor 2 Monate
Saul MS
Saul MS

We could easily solve traffic and reduce car accidents by limiting cars in the city and improving public communication but it seems like we prefer a more expensive, dangerous and innefecctive solution instead that's just making things worse and grifters richer

Vor 2 Monate
Crissa Kentavr
Crissa Kentavr

@Saul MS Is it easier? Because I have been working with yimbys for decades and it seems stupidly hard.

Vor 2 Monate
Crissa Kentavr
Crissa Kentavr

@Tom Wright This is untrue. Cities mandate parking. Individuals don't have a choice whether to drive or not. They either drive, or they don't get around cities.

Vor 2 Monate
Saul MS
Saul MS

@Arthur Bdt23 Still easier to just make cities more walkable and get rid of cars.

Vor 2 Monate
snower13
snower13

People said Tesla Model 3 was a grift. And here we are. Musk is overly optimistic. That's not a grift. Elon Musk time vs Steve Jobs reality distortion field. Same thing. But I do agree that cars need to be taxed to account for their negative externalities.

Vor 2 Monate
Robert
Robert

@Arthur Bdt23 Public transport that goes from my front door to where I want to go at the time I want to leave is more attractive.

Vor 2 Monate
BigE
BigE

Self driving cars are the future!

Vor Monat
RGonzalo
RGonzalo

I'm sorry there's tons of channels dedicated to testing this self driving models. And all I'm seeing is this cars drive very efficiently and safely. With little to no driver takeover for miles in dense urban streets. This video is pure bs. Yeah we're not at the point of self driving cars yet but to say were not closing in is just wrong.

Vor 2 Monate
Dragonball Radiant
Dragonball Radiant

Wouldn’t it help if you could just disengage self driving in certain instances. Sometimes with just a command

Vor 2 Monate
Dsy456
Dsy456

That's how it works in a tesla you just grab the wheel.

Vor 2 Monate
B L
B L

If they were all tanks, self driving cars would have more flexibility. When they made mistakes they could just smash through everything else. Success!

Vor Monat
CIHIRIS
CIHIRIS

I mean honestly I have fun driving sometimes so I better be able to switch back to manual :)

Vor 27 Tage
Joseph Rodrigo
Joseph Rodrigo

They should invest in automated flying cars for personnel use. You don't have to worry so much about hitting things on the road.

Vor Monat
Ben Kaufman
Ben Kaufman

We should not have self driving cars on regular roads. Get specialized lanes with embedded guidance on long stretch highways. That's where it really makes sense.

Vor Monat
logitech4873
logitech4873

Nonsense. Who would build infrastructure like that? Practically nobody.

Vor Monat
Spencer McCarthy
Spencer McCarthy

I wish that they could invent cars for people who have Disabilities. 🤞🤞

Vor Monat
Noraddin Hassan
Noraddin Hassan

this why we should know how our brain is really a great blessing

Vor 2 Monate
Syed Rahim
Syed Rahim

Cars need to be able to communicate with each other for autonomous driving to work. Driving from point a to point b is a problem that should be solved us a group of AI cars on the road.

Vor Monat
KDude
KDude

You'd have to swap every car at once for that to work though.

Vor Monat
Syed Rahim
Syed Rahim

if two cars are on a road with two lanes, both going the same way. Up ahead there is some sort of object on the road in front of one of the cars. Lets say car a.. Car a should communicate with car b and ask as if it "sees" what car a sees. This is how people drive on the road. We communicate with each other on the road in our cars.

Vor Monat
Kaustav Pratick Hazarika
Kaustav Pratick Hazarika

don't you think that these cars can be malfunctioned by some external means and that will create havoc amongst people. It may be a great idea but humans are always better then AI. Fact is fully depending on AI can be pushing ourselved towards DANGER

Vor 2 Monate
logitech4873
logitech4873

"humans will always be better than AI" At what? There's very many tasks where AI is obviously better.

Vor Monat
banksiasong
banksiasong

That wasn't "complicated", they're still unsafe.

Vor 27 Tage
Choon Room
Choon Room

These were obvious problems right from the start

Vor 2 Monate
runescaperocks48
runescaperocks48

The issue is we are trying to replace drivers with computers instead of attempting to enhance safety and awareness with automation. When you advertise self driving to the general public, without the requisite training or information, you are advertising the same general population who for the most part do not even bother to read their owner's manual of their vehicle, let alone even bother to be safe on the road. We need to focus on improving safety culture and education in driving then supplement it with automation.

Vor Monat
Dragonball Radiant
Dragonball Radiant

Wouldn’t it help if you could just disengage self driving in certain instances. Sometimes with just a command

Vor 2 Monate
Armin Grewe
Armin Grewe

you can by simply using the controls, be it the brake, the accelerator, the steering wheel, whatever. No need for a command, you just take control. Same as the cruise control in a traditional car switches off as soon as you apply the brakes or can be temporarily overriden by pressing the accelerator (most will fall back to the original speed as soon as you take your foot off the accelerator)

Vor 2 Monate
TheKenji2221
TheKenji2221

Well in planes the autopilot simply shuts off and lets you back the hand with simply a button or when you use the commands

Vor 2 Monate
Surplus King
Surplus King

Current-day AI technology is like a dog 🐕 Both are excel on something while most works are better done by real human. Also they both needed to 'train' properly to work.

Vor Monat
HarryBallsOnYa
HarryBallsOnYa

It's all fun and games until the "safer then a human driver" car hits and kills some one and then Tesla tries blaming it on drivers 🤣

Vor Monat
henry hryckiewicz
henry hryckiewicz

Who do you sue when you are disabled by a driver less car?

Vor Monat
Yoo Brynner
Yoo Brynner

Because they need 5G and its latency (or lack off latency) to communicate between cars. 5G has stalled and isn't the promise it was made out to be... there's your problem.

Vor 2 Monate
Native2458
Native2458

Self driving cars has to make life or death choices.

Vor Monat
Tired Gardener
Tired Gardener

Until we have AI self driving cars are up there with perpetual motion machines.

Vor 2 Monate
Freddy Chale
Freddy Chale

Elon has said it many times: NEXT Year. Never said next after which…

Vor 2 Monate
Brennen Yourmomthinksimcute
Brennen Yourmomthinksimcute

You never have to ask someone if they drive a Tesla. If they do they’ll tell you. Seems to make up about 2/3 of their personality. Most don’t even know much about cars but will talk about Tesla like it’s gods gift to man and not what it really is a funky car with a lot of problems. The worst part is the superiority complex a lot of Tesla drivers have.

Vor Monat
mochimoshi
mochimoshi

any engineer can listen to this and confirm to you that whoever is talking in this video doesn't know anything about the problem or Ai.

Vor 2 Monate
GWAForUTBE
GWAForUTBE

3 examples of fsd not perfected. How many vehicles crash via human operated everyday.. when Elon finishes FSD it will revolutionize the driving industry. The elderly, the disabled, children, the DUI will all be able to commute safeley.

Vor 2 Tage
Vitor Roma
Vitor Roma

And that's on first world roads. Now imagine the challenge in the favelas and suburbs of third world countries, full of speed bumps that are not even painted to stand out.

Vor Monat
hotheadtom
hotheadtom

Why does the technology have to be 99.99999% safe? What is the percentage for human drivers?

Vor 2 Monate
Moses Matsepane
Moses Matsepane

Tesla: Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.

Vor 2 Monate
logitech4873
logitech4873

@_Red_Panda_ This is incorrect.

Vor 2 Monate
Nick Moore
Nick Moore

Do you know how many people die in cars driven by humans every day?

Vor 2 Monate
_Red_Panda_
_Red_Panda_

Especially amish apparently. It doesnt recognise their pony and trap carts

Vor 2 Monate
CS79N
CS79N

This government in all its wisdom does not trust me to drive around large parts of Birmingham at more than twenty miles per hour (a speed the Victorians would have considered a little sluggish) lest I mow down someone who is inexplicably standing in the middle of the road. There's no chance it's going to allow a machine to take the wheel.

Vor Monat
leonhma
leonhma

You don't get it. That's in elon-time, which ticks about seven times slower.

Vor Monat
MaximilianMus
MaximilianMus

maybe the solution is to make an autonomous highway too...

Vor 2 Monate
Blade Brown TV
Blade Brown TV

And this is why self driving trucks should always have a driver

Vor Monat
Tech Tails
Tech Tails

As a tesla owner, I have literally stopped my own Tesla from killing me a few times in AP Trust me...its not ready LOL

Vor 2 Monate
Tech Tails
Tech Tails

@logitech4873 yup. It sucks

Vor 2 Monate
logitech4873
logitech4873

You have FSD?

Vor 2 Monate
sirus312
sirus312

this is like AUTO-AIM in a video game. there is no reason why it shouldn't work. Only obstacle IMO is dust/snow/rain etc. But beyond that it should work quite well.

Vor 2 Monate
sirus312
sirus312

@Alex Siemers but is the final edge case better than the current system where millions die in auto accidents ? If we can eliminate even half that’s a huge win

Vor 2 Monate
Alex Siemers
Alex Siemers

Videogame physics don’t have to deal with whatever edge cases might exist in real life, nor are the consequences for messing up as dramatic

Vor 2 Monate
Henri Zwols
Henri Zwols

Great, a car that auto-aims at the pedestrian crossing the road.

Vor 2 Monate
Sascha M
Sascha M

my 2018 has driven autonomously on the highway since 2018... guardian has a strange take on reality. maybe they think more news stories will help the engineering???

Vor Monat
Willy Wong
Willy Wong

Public transportation like the metro and tram lines are kind of autonomous and electric!

Vor 2 Monate
Eric
Eric

@Crissa Kentavr no money went to it because it was never even properly proposed. just a complete pipe-dream idea. if California is losing their money to their red districts that's their own problem for having garbage legislators. it is not missed on me how incompetent and bureaucratic the state of california is. but elon is also a 17 year old.

Vor 2 Monate
chromebomb
chromebomb

elon is scared of poor people thus why he didn't like it

Vor 2 Monate
Crissa Kentavr
Crissa Kentavr

@Eric Citation badly needed. Because the actual history is that NIMBYs sued and red-county contractors scammed and that's where all the money went. No California state money went towards a tunneled or lowered air pressure tube system.

Vor 2 Monate
Shrike
Shrike

@Matthew Morycinski One would think that but. NOPE and NOPE

Vor 2 Monate
Matthew Morycinski
Matthew Morycinski

@Eric Fair enough, but isn't any government supposed to be able to tell real technology from hype?

Vor 2 Monate
Gandalf47
Gandalf47

How do those 34 crashes and 19 deaths stack as a percentage of per-mile or per-hour driven? Then, how does THAT stack up with the percentage of crashes and deaths of ALL current "dumb" vehicles today? Since I do not have these data, I can only guess that that percentage is still way too high to unleash autonomous AI-controlled vehicles on the public at large. But someday, maybe soon, maybe not, that percentage will become significanlty better, reducing moving vehicle accidents and better still, deaths. We have reduced motor vehicle deaths per 100,000 population by 96% in the last 100 years. There is only 4% to go. Is the enormous investment in autonomously drvien AI vehicles really worth if for the return? I think there are other motives that drive the autonomous AI vehicle movement, such as taxis, Ubers, and anybody who pays humans to drive vehicles. Why pay a human when you have a robot that can go 24/7 with proper maintenance. They can even self diagnose their own problems for quicker repairs. They are coming, but not as fast as we originally were led to believe.

Vor Monat
Pedro Sobral
Pedro Sobral

You guys failed to do some research. @ 4:02 you start talking about the cow thing. Teslas new updtate include something called occupancy networks and occupancy maps, which detects every voxel of space and it’s velocity, to create a more redundant system and not have to rely on classification.

Vor 2 Monate
Offred
Offred

How to solve real world AI. Simple . Hire actual drivers.

Vor 2 Monate
Roz Dee
Roz Dee

It's a pointless venture by people that want to stay relevant. The automobile is an inefficient mode of transport. If the goal of self-driving is to reduce road fatalities, put more people on bikes, buses and trains.

Vor 2 Monate
Kalle
Kalle

Self driving cars doesn't solve cars, I'd much rather have more walkable cities and better public transport and just regular cars for enjoyment and edge case transport. And I'm a car guy from Sweden (northern Europe), not really the person to normally advocate for public transport

Vor Monat
K
K

Paying 12k to be a tester is the most capitalist thing i have ever seen

Vor Monat
pogonator1
pogonator1

The first self-driving vehicles we see will be lorries, not cars. In a lorry it is no problem if the sensor equipment coast 20000€. And in difference to Tesla they do not work with cameras and artificial intelligence try to identify thing on pictures. They use sensors and if the street is not free they simply stop.

Vor Monat
Aram Agajanian
Aram Agajanian

Not enough credit is given to Waymo in this video. I believe they are ahead of everyone else.

Vor Monat
Euler42
Euler42

@Telencephelon You mean that laughable presentation where they presented robots that are worse than the robots people have been building as a hobby for many decades? Some critical thought could perhaps help you.

Vor Monat
Euler42
Euler42

@logitech4873 And that is exactly why they are ahead of others.

Vor Monat
Telencephelon
Telencephelon

@M Smith After having seen Teslas AI Day 2 I doubt anyone is further. Most other companies are tackling geofenced AI with very high quality data and tests. So are right. Tesla will stand out. The question is which will be better in the end - since most people really stay "fenced as well and need FSD for commutes

Vor Monat
M Smith
M Smith

@Telencephelon It merges pre-existing data from the geofenced area with the real time information to give it an advantage. Outside that area the system won't work. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but most people will expect anything described as self driving or fully autonomous as being fully functional anywhere anytime as well as a human.

Vor Monat
Telencephelon
Telencephelon

@logitech4873 How does geofencing limit any of the everyday bustle or complexity in a given area? You clearly don't know anything

Vor Monat
Paul Yaron
Paul Yaron

Like Fusion, complex engineering challenges don’t reveal true depths of complexity’s until significant capital is committed and countless failures are overcome. Perhaps the question to ask is why Tesla is allowed to profit selling Hope of successful software and why the Beta lab they are permitted to operate within (Real roads with unwilling / unknowing participants) is an acceptable Engineering practice? Yes this is cool technology, but let’s stop selling hype and be transparent with all the challenges learned.

Vor 2 Monate
Gregorio Murtagian
Gregorio Murtagian

when I was a kid I thought that cancer would be curable by now. While advances are many and fast some thing are so difficult that seems to stall at a point

Vor Monat
Ben Kaufman
Ben Kaufman

Honda will do it right.

Vor Monat
animus advertere
animus advertere

Elon the con. One problem you missed: Teslas running down and killing motorcycles at night.

Vor 2 Monate
Joe
Joe

If I wanted a self driving car, I would just take the bus. I want a car I can drive. I want a manual transmission . Oh.. and I want it run on gas.

Vor Monat
logitech4873
logitech4873

@Joe I don't live in the US but ok lol.

Vor Monat
Joe
Joe

@logitech4873 that's the great thing about the usa. We can have different opinions and different taste and it's no big deal. It use to be like that anyway.

Vor Monat
logitech4873
logitech4873

Just buy any old random car then. I would love to have a car with self-driving capabilities.

Vor Monat
Josh R
Josh R

2:17 "with the exception of tesla, most cars need multiple sensors". Who wrote this script? Teslas aren't powered by magic, they have 8 cameras and forward facing radar. They process this info with a computer the same way all self driving technology. The difference is tesla don't use lidar and the use of solely cameras and forward facing radar means there isn't a big sensor suite on the roof.

Vor 2 Monate
logitech4873
logitech4873

@IAIN M RODGERS Well what they actually said was very wrong.

Vor 2 Monate
IAIN M RODGERS
IAIN M RODGERS

They meant - sensor TYPES. You need to be human to interpret this - AI would fail. 🙂

Vor 2 Monate
Pandaboi
Pandaboi

Tesla started removing the radar because the radar kept contradicting the cameras. Due to that, Tesla's have killed many motorcyclists.

Vor 2 Monate
Eric Schmitz
Eric Schmitz

Tesla doesn't use radar anymore

Vor 2 Monate
Chee Kay
Chee Kay

@Bimble Correct. Tesla no longer uses radar as part of their sensor suite.

Vor 2 Monate
Kevin Funk
Kevin Funk

4:27 "technology has to be 99.99999% safe." What does that even mean? Seems like an abstract arbitrary claim.

Vor 2 Monate

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