When Shrewd Negotiation Goes Wrong

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    Ed Bolian has made a lot of money flipping cars but his buying strategies leave some vulnerability to fraud from sellers misrepresenting cars. That is exactly what happened when he bought his wife a Range Rover from a car dealership in Birmingham, Alabama last year.
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Vor 2 years
Jay Brooks
Jay Brooks

Smart choice.. take your lumps..

Vor 3 Monate
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Please enter a name.

Villanova Scotts yes. Yes they do.

Vor 4 Monate
Boudreaux from Thibodaux
Boudreaux from Thibodaux

You know what's cheaper & more satisfying than sueing Derek Barnes from Wheels of Fortune in Birmingham? Hearing on the news that Derek Barnes of Wheels of Fortune in Birmingham was beaten in a dark parking lot by someone in a ski mask with baseball bat so badly he'll need a feeding tube & diapers the rest of his life. Oh, and that the assailant got away & the police have no leads. Those kind of outcomes are VERY satisfying to hear.😁

Vor year
The PinCushionMan
The PinCushionMan

The guy is a big headed jerk like a cop and probably just as crooked as one too.

Vor year
Connor M
Connor M

VINwiki I would love to see a video on buying cheap cars for younger people. Maybe a future idea?

Vor 2 years
mtnman77
mtnman77

You should have filed a report with the DMV section that enforces used car Dealer's. The DMV Inspector would have probably required him to buy it back or risk losing his dealer's license, which is what appeared to have happened anyway.

Vor 12 Tage
Doug Seabolt
Doug Seabolt

Ed, I always try to figure out where I went wrong when I make a mistake to help decrease the chances of repeating the bad decision. When I listen to this story the key was when the seller said if there is an issue, don't discuss it with the driver, take the car and we will deal with issue later. That was the "tell". The seller absolutely knew of the issues before you called him to discuss.

Vor 21 Tag
John Pick
John Pick

You should have called Tyler @ Hoovies Garage to show you how he got a misrepresented condition K car and how Tyler held it for awhile until the original car owner called Tyler up in response to Tylers sales ad came by and brought the K Car back from Tyler and then noticing that it is the car he sent Tyler!

Vor 27 Tage
Jim Akin
Jim Akin

Only an idiot would buy a new Range Rover and only a fool would buy a used one! These cars are endless money pits.

Vor 27 Tage
Jim Akin
Jim Akin

Range Rovers are most commonly seen on the back of a tow truck!

Vor 27 Tage
Kyle white
Kyle white

Should have sued that guy and sent him to jail if he didn’t pay!

Vor Monat
Spencer
Spencer

10k for a hitman?

Vor Monat
Jeremiah Mitchell
Jeremiah Mitchell

baseball bats work better than lawyers

Vor Monat
Cookiemoney
Cookiemoney

Wow what a POS people who screw others over isn't right. BUT WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!! I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN TO PEOPLE THAT DESERVED IT 🤣

Vor Monat
William Standish
William Standish

Listening to a lawyer on youtube he said that is something he likes to look at before he does the lawsuit, and why he loves to sue the large companies. You can have the best case in the world, but if the defendant is poor, the case is just as good as the worst case. In the end, you still get nothing.

Vor Monat
charlie chann
charlie chann

That makes me feel sick as you've dealt with cars for decades and this happened to you so I lack the knowledge on this subject that you havr. Im looking to replace my totaled Malibu and my youngest girl is only a little over a year before she gets a car. I don't have the money readily available to cover an expense such as that and as a 100% Georgia born and raised man I would feel much better suing in my state with the attorneys ive played golf with for over 25 years. Fortunately my best friend is a fleet and internet marketing manager at the largest new car dealership in southeast GA. I trust him and last Oct for my eldest daughters 16th he helped me and my ex wife buy a very low mileage 2017 Malibu and the only thing it didn't have that she wanted was leather. I have been turned off by dealers since I was a high school kid with a friend and we started detailing cars for used dealers and repo trash from banks and they asked us to mask certain significant problems.

Vor Monat
Neil Master
Neil Master

Good lord, that front tire at 5:23

Vor 2 Monate
Alex G
Alex G

Why were so many range rovers exported ? Is this a common practice ? Have actually been looking for a used range 2013-2016 and not finding a lot

Vor 2 Monate
Henry Atkinson
Henry Atkinson

Hell youre good at that. Even got online car fraud man (Robert) to get on your show and admit to manipulating sales!

Vor 2 Monate
JEAN BOUTIN
JEAN BOUTIN

how someone can buy a used Range Rover is beyond comprehension

Vor 2 Monate
dave runner
dave runner

Toyota 4runner....Nuff said.

Vor 2 Monate
SoCal Turbo
SoCal Turbo

Shes keeping it real

Vor 2 Monate
honchoryanc
honchoryanc

Spend the 5gs and get him whacked lol

Vor 2 Monate
Andy Matti
Andy Matti

Couldn’t you have called your bank and put a hold on the check?

Vor 2 Monate
Kyle Teeter
Kyle Teeter

Yep, he'd be getting paid a visit by a group of guys who love violence with skull masks on.

Vor 3 Monate
Jason Dowling
Jason Dowling

Gives us Birmingham folk a bad name.... shame on his bitch ass

Vor 3 Monate
Enlightened Idiot
Enlightened Idiot

Range Rovers suck. Period...

Vor 3 Monate
A W
A W

Wait Im confused if you sue someone and win the case but they dont have any money then you dont get aything? That doesnt sound right....

Vor 3 Monate
Filip K
Filip K

The best advise is to dont get Range Rover at all!

Vor 3 Monate
Secretly365
Secretly365

Why wouldn’t u just get a Lexus. Much less pretentious and way more reliable

Vor 3 Monate
Kenneth Sanderson
Kenneth Sanderson

So, don't buy a car from Derek Barnes in Birmingham, AL. Got it! 👍

Vor 3 Monate
Daley jeeper
Daley jeeper

Lmao even the 2.0 dealership has a 1 star review

Vor 4 Monate
James Shelnutt
James Shelnutt

this guy is burning his bridges with everyone huh? he might live (or die) to regret that cause someday he might screw over the wrong person - someone who doesn't just take this type of rip off - someone who might find out where he lives and pay him a little visit in the middle of the night - someone who likes to get revenge on those who have wronged him. So someday we might be hearing from this car dealer again in the obituary pages.

Vor 4 Monate
Štěpán Chadim
Štěpán Chadim

Anyone noticed, that this RR actually lost some miles between Ed buying it and Mrs. Bolian bringing it home? :) @Ed Bolian

Vor 4 Monate
The Mozart Thug
The Mozart Thug

"I said 19,000, he said 21,000" "We met down the middle and agreed 19,000" That's not meeting down the middle, that's him thinking "I would take 12,000 with that fucking engine noise" lol

Vor 4 Monate
Justin Halsted
Justin Halsted

I just read everyone's comments and everyone is missing one thing. Its not about how reliable the car is. Its the status symbol. When you deal with a different level of money then most(YouTube watchers) you have to fit the standard of wealth like everyone around you. How could you drive a Ford when your neighbor has a Mercedes AMG. Its a different world when you have money. Maybe get off YouTube and start trying (talking to myself😂)

Vor 4 Monate
M F
M F

"Wheels of Fortune"....that's classic! I don't think I've ever heard a more fitting name for a slim shady, fly by night, spot dealer, ever.

Vor 4 Monate
slimj091
slimj091

Or you could have just drove to Birmingham, and broke his knee caps with a crescent wrench.

Vor 4 Monate
Marc
Marc

This is a masterclass in proper business etiquette. You'll continue to be wildly successful and he'll have to endure his shitty little existence of being a POS whilst blaming everyone but himself. Well done for naming him, he deserves it!

Vor 4 Monate
Adam Montoya
Adam Montoya

Its crappy that there's no way to make this easier. I feel like calling a bank and denying that check and delivering the car to its destination should be legal even though I'm aware its not.

Vor 4 Monate
M Λ E
M Λ E

8k for the timing chain?!😤😵🤒 i need to move my ass to states!

Vor 5 Monate
Damian Novick
Damian Novick

Can you guys be mature and stop reviewing wheels of fortune with a 1 star rating. None of you have shopped there so you can't rightfully review not even knowing

Vor 5 Monate
the upscriber
the upscriber

Why is YouTube showing me this a year later? I would have sued locally, the filing fee is negligible. He would have incurred the expense of hiring an attorney in your area to defend him. Even if he argued improper personal jurisdiction he'd still have to pay a lawyer to make the argument. BTW, the USSC found in International Shoe that companies who advertise and or commit commerce in your state have to answer to Courts in your state. It's often called the long arm statute. Your attorney may be right, but his would have to argue a lack of significant dealings in your state. In other words, he can't come to your state and do the deed then avoid liability by saying he doesn't reside there.

Vor 5 Monate
B_MAN_
B_MAN_

This happens at large dealerships also like Century West BMW in Century City, CA. Look at all the hidden 1-star reviews on Yelp. Have to scroll way down.

Vor 5 Monate
Toby Bryan
Toby Bryan

Anyone from uk Birmingham cringe how he said Birmingham lol?

Vor 5 Monate
JOHN ZUNIGA
JOHN ZUNIGA

Why not just call the bank and stop the check from going through? Sorry if the question is stupid.

Vor 5 Monate
Addison Lessing
Addison Lessing

I really love these VINWiki stories. Downloaded the app and became a subscriber. These stories keep adding to my list of cautions I should take when buying a car. Seems that if you're spending more than $10k on a car, it might be worth just paying the "reputable dealer" premium. It may cost a bit more, but at least they'll care about their reputation and customer service, and more often than not there will be some form of warranty or return policy. Especially for those that may not have the money to fix a car they just spent a fortune on buying.

Vor 5 Monate
lul l
lul l

Could had gotten a 4runner or Land Cruiser and gave me all that maintenance money you wasted on that Land Rover. -_-

Vor 5 Monate
Matthew Marcum
Matthew Marcum

Imagine pissing someone off over selling a car and he tells over a million people what a dick you are

Vor 5 Monate
Omnis Imperator
Omnis Imperator

He should have test drove it. That would have illuminated the issues with the Range Rover.

Vor 5 Monate
Desi Canadian
Desi Canadian

Casually buys a Range Rover I am over thinking a used Honda Civic

Vor 6 Monate
Adams Angels
Adams Angels

Sounds like ya had the chance to walk away on the initial start up of the vehicle

Vor 6 Monate
Jared Champagne
Jared Champagne

What’s the point of a law that protects you with being able to send the car back within 3 days if alls the dealer has to do is so no, because every dealer would obviously just say no in that case...

Vor 6 Monate
Keegan Frantz
Keegan Frantz

I had taken my car into the dealership for some transmission work. Long story short,had some weed stolen out of my car,the whole damn bag....I made such a fuss that two days later was called back into the dealer and was called into vice president's office and was handed a baggy with almost all of my smoke. I had gotten my smoke back.lol. yeah!

Vor 6 Monate
Isaac Shuster S
Isaac Shuster S

"So I calculated what my peace of mind was worth and found a broker that would help me with my issues. Last time I heard the guy had been reported as missing"

Vor 6 Monate
Dave Muise
Dave Muise

This should have ended with “ and Derek Barnes was never seen again”. Lol.

Vor 6 Monate
Brickstun Ram
Brickstun Ram

Who would win? One seasoned, veteran shrewd negotiator Or One wheels of fortune boi?

Vor 6 Monate
neilegg1
neilegg1

Go look at the Google reviews for wheels of Fortune 2.0. VinWiki fans got Ed's back

Vor 7 Monate
Michael Heider
Michael Heider

I liked the little Doug demuro swipe (carmax)

Vor 7 Monate
EKLion
EKLion

I may not understand everything but why not cancel the check?!

Vor 7 Monate
Deivias
Deivias

Sucks that he got away with it.

Vor 7 Monate
Hugo Coelho
Hugo Coelho

That's why I didn't negotiate the price... Easy 19k

Vor 7 Monate
MetaruKarakuri
MetaruKarakuri

we call that hitter time , lawyers cost too much

Vor 7 Monate
Sarat C
Sarat C

I wonder who the automotive law guy was (hoovie?)

Vor 8 Monate
Supreme Renegade
Supreme Renegade

People like that should be hung

Vor 8 Monate
mamachip
mamachip

Here's a tip: NEVER, EVER BUY A RANGE ROVER. NO MATTER HOW CHEAP, NO MATTER HOW PRETTY. RANGE ROVERS ARE THE WORST VEHICLES CURRENTLY PRODUCED. I HAVE A FRIEND WHOSE DAUGHTER MARRIED INTO A FAMILY WHO OWNS A MLB FRANCHISE AND SEVERAL RANGE ROVER DEALERSHIPS AND HE WANTED ONE. THEY TOLD HIM" YOU DONT WANT A RANGE ROVER, IT WILL BANKRUPT YOU"

Vor 8 Monate
K. Chris Caldwell
K. Chris Caldwell

I've learned over the years this golden rule of transactions and interactions: In addition to financial loss, one must also take in to account the possibility of lost time to hassle and frustration. So, even with an ironclad contract, one must take in consideration the risk of losing time via hassles and frustration if things don't go well. Ask yourself, _"If I do this and/or in this way, in addition to financial loss, what level of hassle and frustration is possible and likely."_ If too high, move on.

Vor 8 Monate
Collin MacQuarrie
Collin MacQuarrie

Outstanding advice!

Vor 5 Monate
Great Horned Owl
Great Horned Owl

Thanks Ed. Takes a big man to admit when he's errored. When you would think you have been in the car business long enough. Me, dumb s**t, find a car, fall in love. Used car priced above avg - no problem, the car has mechanical issues - not a problem (seriously bought 12-year-old 74 Cadillac with 150k without driving or hearing it run, paid for it then put in starter on the lot before driving away).

Vor 8 Monate
Sea Wolf
Sea Wolf

It end up costing me 9k instead of paying someone to go inspect the car for 250.. But even if was a real stupid thing to do, I will try to make some YouTube views with that and try to look confident and like I do not care !

Vor 9 Monate
Theodore Freeman
Theodore Freeman

You are right I took a 34K in the back side. You can sue all you want but you have to be able to collect it. And with a 8 to 12K attorney fee looking at you some time you just have to except it no matter of the pain. Never add insult to injury.

Vor 9 Monate
Bryan Harris
Bryan Harris

Moral of the story... Don't buy a used Range Rover...

Vor 9 Monate
Louis Garofalo
Louis Garofalo

To all you salesman lying to people and choosing your words carefully to deceive people. Fuck you!

Vor 9 Monate
Skydrag.V60
Skydrag.V60

Ed “Cheap for what it was but no so cheap that it had to be suspicious” Bolian

Vor 9 Monate
BobbyM
BobbyM

They say the 'Most Expensive' vehicle one can own, is a 'Cheap Land Rover'.

Vor 9 Monate
Jason Lawson
Jason Lawson

This guy has the most boring voice. And sounds like he looks down his nose at people.

Vor 9 Monate
Eric The traveling scuba diving bugman
Eric The traveling scuba diving bugman

Looks like he works for Audi Birmingham as a tech now...guess selling cars didn't work out for him

Vor 9 Monate
Lonnie W
Lonnie W

Damn that dude got you. Sorry to hear that.

Vor 9 Monate
Lonnie W
Lonnie W

Rule number 1 never buy European cars out of warranty. When warranty is up get rid of it.

Vor 9 Monate
Prestige Detailing
Prestige Detailing

"When keepin' it real goes wrong" probably the best Chapelle skit ever you're so right

Vor 9 Monate
Dominick
Dominick

The "Three-Day Return Period" Is Nothing But a Myth Can you return a car you've just purchased if you don't like it in the first three days?

Vor 9 Monate
Robert Carlee
Robert Carlee

Ruin his reputation online

Vor 9 Monate
Steve B
Steve B

Also want to add people like Derek barnes do this type a business because no one sues them. They get away with murder. I wish you had used him and taken his dealership as damages

Vor 9 Monate
Steve B
Steve B

Wait, I am confused. It seems like you replaced your wife's range rover with another just different color but same body or generation?? Or am I missing something?

Vor 9 Monate
1018miamidrive
1018miamidrive

This story upset me for this guy! He's got a great attitude

Vor 9 Monate
constitutionalist79
constitutionalist79

Retired car dealer here. I bought a lot of “Red Light” cars over the years (at auction) but I always checked them out thoroughly & drove them. Still, once per year, I’d always manage to purchase a POS, lol. I had to take the same attitude as the gentleman in this video: you make enough smart purchases through the year that you’re not ruined by the occasional bad buy.

Vor 9 Monate
Samuel Henton
Samuel Henton

It's actually a myth that people are unable to be collected upon. Most judgements last 10 years and they can be extended. You can collect on their property, house, anything of value with a court appointed sheriff deputy. Don't be taken advantage of.

Vor 9 Monate
Danny
Danny

Why didn’t you put a stop or hold on the check ?

Vor 10 Monate
pitis2flie
pitis2flie

Needs a reliable daily driver. Buys a used Range Rover lol

Vor 10 Monate
blubastud
blubastud

1 more time for the people in the back. Derek Barnes. Wheels of Fortune Birmingham Alabama.

Vor 10 Monate
Andre LaBeach
Andre LaBeach

I'd rob Derek of his knees... Keep them for spares

Vor 10 Monate
Gregory Bell
Gregory Bell

I like seeing that UGA tag in a Tech grad's vehicle. LOL Love these stories

Vor 10 Monate
Skrutinizr
Skrutinizr

The trick is to get a criminal fraud prosecution going- that way you don't have to finance the whole destruction of the guy. They'll tell you it's a civil matter, but in reality there are criminal fraud statutes which you'd just have to convince the A.G. should be dealt with. On the other hand- when something goes wrong on a car transaction- run away at first hint of an issue. There are more cars on the market. Never deal with Jimmy Joe-Bob's Car Barn type dealers, ever, unless you personally know them. Some are so stupid you can game THEM instead, but most used car dealers are so well versed in being dishonest, sketchy and unethical that they will beat you by their sheer experience. By NOT going after this guy, you encourage this frequent and common propensity for scamming in the used car market. Back to rule #1: ANYTHING isn't right- run the hell away and do NOT hand them a check.

Vor 10 Monate
Paul C
Paul C

See, that's the wrong way of going about things. These guys never learn unless you make them learn. Find a gentleman of a certain type, pay them a few grand and have them visit dear old Derek. He can then make a choice; pay up or his house burns down and he'll need new knees. Unfortunately you let it go, so best we can hope is a couple bricks through his window and maybe someone hits him with a car.

Vor 10 Monate
NEmergix
NEmergix

question : why didn't you simply refuse acceptance and got all the money back ?

Vor 10 Monate
rarelibra
rarelibra

you can receive something ... it just takes time and energy ... if you get a judgment against someone and they try to weasel out of it with bankruptcy, etc.... you just put a lien on their assets (like a house, land, etc) ... yes, you have to wait a long time, possibly... but people can't run forever.

Vor 10 Monate
Brian Conner
Brian Conner

u should have had your biz buy it THEN sell it to yourself personally...

Vor 10 Monate
charredskeleton
charredskeleton

That's called isomorphism.

Vor 10 Monate
Spike .Strat13
Spike .Strat13

I thought the only one who still loved his Rover was Dennis from “It’s always sunny”

Vor 10 Monate
Sharon Bobbitt
Sharon Bobbitt

YOU LOOK & SOUND LIKE ANDREW LUCK RELATED BY CHANCE??? LOVE THE STORIES I'M HOOKED VINwiki is the best!!!!!

Vor 10 Monate
Wilkins Micawber
Wilkins Micawber

It sounds as if buying a used car from an independent retailer in the US is as risky as in the UK. I bought a good many duds before learning it's always cheaper in the long run to buy from the main dealer. I only wish I'd learned that lesson earlier in life.

Vor 10 Monate
John Doe
John Doe

Something about this guy's voice, mannerisms, and intonation - I could listen to him describe paint drying.

Vor 10 Monate
Omnis Imperator
Omnis Imperator

The word you are looking for is "eloquence"

Vor 5 Monate
Ronnie Paul
Ronnie Paul

should have inspected the vehicle before taking acceptance of it!

Vor 11 Monate
Will B
Will B

LOL...when people fuck me over, I send a goon/hit squad.

Vor 11 Monate
Ryan H
Ryan H

Wheels of Fortune 2.0 now has 245 reviews and has earned themselves a 1.2 rating 😂😂😂

Vor 11 Monate

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