What went wrong with the Tube Map?

ItsJustClary
ItsJustClary

The “this could’ve been a map men episode” bit made me almost spit my drink out from laughing. This episode was so good!!! Thanks!!

Vor 2 Monate
MarioFanGamer
MarioFanGamer

​@Anonymous This is not how even half-arsed databases work. (Display) names aren't (typically) unique identifiers nor profile pictures but the identifier is independent from all other variables, otherwise YouTube would have been broken _long_ ago. Instead, YouTube seems to be using a long ID string with various characters given the URL when you hover over a channel name, though there also seems to be a unique name not unlike Twitter independently of the display name (something which Massivive mentioned). Thus, even if there is a verified user named "Jay Foreman" with the same profile picture as our Jay Foreman and an actual verification checkmark (some commentor noted the imposter merely had the vegan symbol and thus didn't have identical strings) wouldn't be confused by the website because YouTube has other means to identify individual users.

Vor 2 Monate
Anonymous
Anonymous

@MarioFanGamer In computer storage. If they had the same username and profile pic, then they'll be represented with the exact same bits, thus causing confusion in the servers

Vor 2 Monate
MarioFanGamer
MarioFanGamer

@Anonymous Video creators are always marked in the comment section of their own videos (whether it's an individual comment or part of a chain) which avoids confusion (or at least should) with impersonators.

Vor 2 Monate
Anonymous
Anonymous

@Massivive Oh, ok. I thought that I could be called Anonymous because despite the username being the same, the profile pic was different. But I guess not.

Vor 2 Monate
Massivive
Massivive

@Anonymous the display name for a youtube account is actually different to the actual handle, this is why you have managed to snag the name "Anonymous" when there are no doubt thousands of others with with same display name if you visit this fake Jay's account properly you'll find that not only does the page use a different URL, but his handle is @johnwick8820 rather than @jayforeman

Vor 2 Monate
Amuzic
Amuzic

Back in 2007 when I visited London in a work related trip from Kolkata(which that time was the only city in India to have a metro, but it was just a single line Edit: beside Delhi which started in 2002, ), The very first day I laid my eyes on the map, I got so impressed by it, I had never seen anything like that before and yet it took me minutes to figure out, it was so intuitive and I could literally go anywhere in and around London...point to note here is, I was just 22 and hardly travelled alone anywhere in India at that point of my life...and it was my first trip abroad...that map was the biggest reason I got accustomed to London in just few days..I met and interacted and did a lot of things with many, many people there during my month long stay and nobody believed me when I said I was just a visitor.

Vor 2 Monate
Amuzic
Amuzic

@Chicago Typewriter they are bringing the trams back now albeit half heartedly.

Vor Monat
Amuzic
Amuzic

@Varun Pany sorry i wasnt aware of it. Edited my comment.

Vor Monat
Amuzic
Amuzic

@Domo N Car thank you for the correction. In 2011 when i got the opportunity to ride in Delhi metro, i was even more impressed...it had all the best things from London tube plus some more.

Vor Monat
Amuzic
Amuzic

@Selenium Glow not a kolkata lad...i am a from Siliguri...that time I was working In Kolkata.

Vor Monat
Varun Pany
Varun Pany

Brother. Delhi metro had been operational for half a decade till then. This is also how Bengal got the Roshogola first. Lol

Vor 2 Monate
Kend0
Kend0

Can i just say this style of video is absolutely timeless? For some youtubers, you cant even go back 2 years before you hit a style of video completely different from the reason youre subscribed today. But ive just been on a binge of jay foreman videos that stretch all the way back to 2014 and its like he released them yesterday. You have a superb style of video, great content!

Vor 2 Monate
Roman Baranovichi
Roman Baranovichi

Tom Scott is very similar, his video style hasn’t changed in 10 years

Vor Monat
DFFUSE
DFFUSE

I thought this video was made 10 years ago, I didn't realize it was new till I checked the date.

Vor 2 Monate
Paul Savage
Paul Savage

I'm mates with Jay in real life. When I lived on a narrowboat I offered for him to film any parts of Unfinished London about the canals as there's rich history and lots of weird stuff involved. He said "yeah, when I get round to it". Anyway, that was 3 years ago and I sold the boat a year and a half ago.

Vor 2 Monate
Druegnor
Druegnor

~Nah..he made all his videos in 1 year and is scheduled to release all videos sequentially so he can have a nice relaxing rest somewere while composing his next syllable out sync song

Vor 2 Monate
Kend0
Kend0

@connorkapooh he definitely knows what works xD. Also a slight correction to my original comment, the vids didn't go back to 2014...they went back to 2009 (the unfinished northern line video) His style is so superb hes been making YouTube content for more than a decade in what is effectively the exact same way, but it always feels totally fresh and timeless. I'm pretty sure this is award worthy or something!

Vor 2 Monate
bilishu aliss
bilishu aliss

I love this series. It is a feast, nay, a banquet of technicality and nerdiness (and sly digs at TfL of course)

Vor 2 Monate
Ranger64
Ranger64

Jago Hazzard! Nice to finally get to see the man whose videos I quite enjoy. And more from Jay and MapMen, please!

Vor 2 Monate
Eispalast
Eispalast

I was sure you were joking about the IKEA symbols on the map. But then I looked it up and they are indeed on the map. That's absolutely wild. Wow.

Vor 2 Monate
Video Soul
Video Soul

The specific reason that particular IKEA is there is because it’s supposed to be their “eco” branch, where they’re (amongst other things) actively encouraging people to travel their by public transport instead of car, as they typically might in Croydon etc.

Vor 7 Tage
SusScrofaBob
SusScrofaBob

@A Google User Seems to be a recurring theme by ikea because in the german City of Lübeck is a trainstation clled IKEA, too.

Vor 19 Tage
Simon T
Simon T

@Krombopulos Michael I thought Ikea sponsored the map

Vor Monat
Alex Potts
Alex Potts

​@Krombopulos Michael The more businesses are featured on the map, the less valuable those adverts are, that's the attention economy for you.

Vor Monat
Alex Potts
Alex Potts

​​@PowderedGround This is what the website TVTropes calls "aluminium Christmas trees" (ie things in works of fiction which people think are made up for a joke, but are actually real).

Vor Monat
Nooticus
Nooticus

Exceptional work as always, and the view count shows it too! There are an incredible number of very humorous easter eggs for us Londoners too, which is very much appreciated! Appreciate the love for Jug Cerovic’s map too! And the ad at the end *chefs kiss*

Vor 2 Monate
Farah Ahmed
Farah Ahmed

I love the Piccadilly line's route by history that they have in the trains. Makes the geography and landmarks so much more enjoyable and understandable to me as a tourist

Vor 2 Monate
Andrey Radchenko
Andrey Radchenko

At some point in the 2010's they swapped a perfectly fine to-scale Moscow metro map for one styled after that '30s Beck abomination. I'm still mad about it.

Vor 2 Monate
Tim Sully
Tim Sully

That was quite possibly the funniest advert I’ve ever seen 😅 And one of the most gross, which makes it even better 🦠 The rest of it was pretty damn good too. Good to see Jago getting on the other end of the lens for a change, though maybe a visit to a reputable opticians for a suitable set of more flattering eye glasses is in order 😉 Sad that Beck essentially got heaved aside sans kudos for all that effort, but perhaps we can all take a crumb of comfort in knowing that bit corporations being complete exploitative, conscience-free ars*h*les, free loading at the expense, Labour and talents of hardworking people is not something that has suddenly happened, it’s just more overtly evident and better recognised these days…well, by some people any road…🤔 Glad that he gets a foot note now though. Not exactly going to help by dipping back in time so he might actually personally benefit from his fame, but hey, he’s in good company. After all, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart died penniless and was buried in a pauper’s grave, so Harry’s in good company! 😊 Santé et Bonne chance! 🍻🍀👍

Vor 2 Monate
Value Network
Value Network

Hearing Jagos voice come out of “Harry beck” was extremely unexpected! What a pleasant surprise

Vor 2 Monate
Nzd
Nzd

There's also a cameo from Half-Asleep Chris as Alan Foale.

Vor 2 Monate
ladiorange
ladiorange

@XalphYT I live in South West London, close to where Jago says he lives and started listening I think relatively early. I heard him mention he "does not look like he sounds" but then also in his latest video RE: 1992 stock "I remember when these came out - I'm showing my age".... Was he 10 then? or in his 20s?? Are you also in London?

Vor 2 Monate
XalphYT
XalphYT

@ladiorange Agreed. There's something about Jago's delivery that convinced me that he was an affable retiree living in London 😮

Vor 2 Monate
Ian Kemp
Ian Kemp

@Jay Foreman Or is it "not yet" :)

Vor 2 Monate
Robson Brown
Robson Brown

I was desperately looking to see if someone else saw/heard Mr Hazard !

Vor 2 Monate
Shawn Nielsen
Shawn Nielsen

9:36 My wife and I visited London and the UK for the first time a few years ago and not having to use international data/mobile service (we're Unitedstatesians) and being able to have a physical map to navigate the Tube was a godsend.

Vor 2 Monate
rxquettes
rxquettes

im sorry but "unitedstatesians" LMFAOOOO 💀💀💀💀🤚

Vor Monat
Camden Carver
Camden Carver

I just realized that all those amazing online maps you showed could be used now, it's representing the same thing so if it's easier to read for certain people they can still use it. I love maps!!

Vor 2 Monate
Cynewulf
Cynewulf

That Jago bit just had me in hysterics 🤣 Amazing work, Jay, as always!

Vor Monat
Zünder
Zünder

In 2013 I thought A LOT about this topic and eventually created what I think is the optimal tube map for Berlin (sorry London, but it is the same issue there). The problem with the existing map is that it looks overly complicated because the lines drawn for the train lines still try to resemble real geography somewhat sometimes despite the fact that for a passenger all what matters is the relative locations of stations to each other, rather than their location. So my principle behind it was to reduce the number of bends in each line drawn to the lowest possible, while keeping the relations of the stations and lines to each other of course. That way I could reduce the bends in the lines massively from 37 for all underground-stations to 7 (and similar for all overground lines which are in the same map). Combined with the introduction of some graphical improvements like more important stations where more lines intersect getting larger symbols and introducing dotted lines for underground lines and normal lines for overground ones (because they often have similar colours) created a far easier to read map I think. Ultimately this could also be implemented in an algorithm and solved for every city because train lines are well defined by how many stations they have and where they intersect with another line. But that is beyond my coding abilities, so I solved it manually for Berlin only. Unfortunately YT seems to forbit posting links, so I can not really share it here. Can be found on my website zuender.org > Work > DIY though.

Vor 2 Monate
TheEvilLobster
TheEvilLobster

First of all: I LOVE THIS. I think it would take me some time to get used to the Ringbahn not being a regular "circle" anymore but that's just a matter of time. I also really really appreciate that u removed unnecessary turns and sharp angles for the lines - like S1 is now running smoothly from Rathaus Steglitz to Wannsee 💕. Oh, and U9 being a straight line now? *Chef's kiss* However, I do have one tiny design problem: sometimes when the lines are running parallel to each other they touch each other and sometimes there's a tiny gap between them (see: S1 + S2 vs. S8 + S9, or at corners like Landsberger Allee). But that's just a tiny thing.

Vor 2 Monate
Zünder
Zünder

@David Mezei You introduce sharp corners there or allow for direction change in a station. It does look a bit cleaner regarding the stations but I tried to avoid that as much as possible because one of my rules was that a line could enter and leave station only in the same angle (or as close as possible if a direction change is unavoidable), so the eye can follow right through a station. It was a bit tricky with S8/S85 and S2/S25 in that case, so yeah perhaps your solution is better there. If we just allow for more lines to leave a station at a different angle, then of course moving the crossing between S1 and S25 to the station makes sense as well. Oh and the thicker signs for the lines' names are a big improvement as well! In any case I feel honoured that someone thinks about the same problems I had and uses my map somehow. Well done! :)

Vor 2 Monate
David Mezei
David Mezei

@Zünder Yes, I understood the challenge that station had. I also understand the font choice. Consistency is key. Here is my take on the problem: https://i.kek.sh/izClU4N4ffk.png What do you think?

Vor 2 Monate
Zünder
Zünder

@David Mezei Thanks! I chose the font because it is similar to old Berlin streetname signs, but sure it could be a bit more readable. Some stations are hard to draw and compromises have to be made. Bornholmer Str. was such a thing. It has this two lines S2 and S8 that split up to two additional lines S25/S85 and make it more complicated. In the official plan the splitting happens after Bornholmer Str. but I think this was a unnessesary complication as that doesn't matter for the passenger. In the official plan there are a lot more lines drawn there anyway with no additional information. Regarding bends I think I reached the absolute minimum in the u-bahn-only plan. I had to compromise a little bit here and there to fit in overground (S-Bahn) lines together with the U-Bahn, but it should be really close to the absolute minimum still.

Vor 2 Monate
David Mezei
David Mezei

Great map. Nice work. Feedback: I think the font could be more readable. Station markers are not on the middle and the border could be thicker. Some lines intersect in a funky way for example Bolnholmer str. and sometimes there is extra space between the lines. I would remove most unnecessary bends and just connect them straight to the station marker. The choice of colours resemble the communist era. Initially I thought U7 ia a river - sorry I don't know Berlin 🤤 Besides these points your map is on point.

Vor 2 Monate
Crepequeen64
Crepequeen64

Went to England for the first time ever earlier this year all by myself. Definitely got a bit lost at Paddington while trying to figure out the map, but after that I was able to get around London without any issues. Super satisfying once you get it down

Vor Monat
Некто Лохматый
Некто Лохматый

I agree. Having the tube map in your head, you can immediately understand where a certain place is if you just know which metro station it is.

Vor 2 Monate
John Airey
John Airey

I am not the only one who has accidentally memorised the tube map then!

Vor Tag
hbfdfgjcyk
hbfdfgjcyk

7:46 this is actually the old mtr map, there's recently been a new station added (exhibition centre) between hung hom and admiralty so the east rail line (light blue) connects directly onto the hk island line (dark blue) now

Vor 2 Monate
IIAOPSW
IIAOPSW

Got to admit, from your response on my comment in part one I was expecting an in depth consideration of the merits of switching back to a geographical map. Especially now that (in your own words) the tube map has become a bit rubbish mess.

Vor 2 Monate
Joseph Brainard
Joseph Brainard

Mark's reaction in the end is hysterical

Vor 2 Monate
SteamboatWilley
SteamboatWilley

I laughed out loud.

Vor 2 Monate
XalphYT
XalphYT

@Foggy D All map is map. Here is a biscuit as your reward.

Vor 2 Monate
TypicalFoxxo
TypicalFoxxo

@8-Bit Stream well, the original commenter can't exactly control that, right? Maybe you should criticise YouTube instead.

Vor 2 Monate
Sebastian-Benedict Flore
Sebastian-Benedict Flore

I was thinking it the whole time

Vor 2 Monate
Foggy D
Foggy D

@Stam Pas Jay made a whole two-parter about the Tube *MAP* without him and he only just found out.

Vor 2 Monate
Wasteland Customs
Wasteland Customs

I now know what Jago Hazzard looks like!!! For some reason, I always thought of a tall, thin man in a long coat and wide-brim hat.

Vor 2 Monate
WaterUnderTheFridge60
WaterUnderTheFridge60

If you think the London tube map is a mess, just wait until you see the one for the Tokyo Subway!!! Mindboggling eye-candy! Also how much did Ikea pay TFL to have their logo on the map!

Vor 2 Monate
Andrius Mindaugas Bloznelis
Andrius Mindaugas Bloznelis

As a tourist who’s visited London twice, the tube map is easily my favorite souvenir. It’s so useful, too.

Vor Monat
Lauren McAuley
Lauren McAuley

Love the Melbs feature! Kinda excited for what the metro tunnel will bring

Vor 2 Monate
Sousy M
Sousy M

I love the commentary on all the copy cat maps. Also, as a Melbournian, our map may be very pretty and hypnotic, but only because everything only connects in the city loop. I’m all for ruining it with upgrades, the next big plan will ruin it even more, but don’t worry it’s not due for completion till 2050 and most of the stops and connections are in the East anyway, so it probably won’t help improve services either. 😂

Vor 2 Monate
RiKShaw231
RiKShaw231

Not pictured is the fact that you can hop off any train in the loop and hop on a tram to continue going around the loop for free. Good stuff.

Vor Monat
Gabriel Shepperd
Gabriel Shepperd

@tubester4567 8-12 minutes is generous, maybe only on some lines or just during the peak. I live less than 20 minutes from the CDB but trains are only about every 20 minutes on the weekend. The service is pretty good if you live near a station and want to go directly to the city but it can be a real headache going cross town often taking 3 to 4 times longer than driving.

Vor 2 Monate
Milo Dodd
Milo Dodd

Now that's a fellow chip-on-the-shoulder west-melbournian if I ever spotted one.

Vor 2 Monate
StinkyRoadhog13
StinkyRoadhog13

As a Torontonian, our map is able to be to scale because of i think two reasons. For one, the jurisdiction of Toronto itself isn't all that big, at least, not compared to similar cities like New York and Mexico cities and London. And two, our subway network is not all that big because our governments weren't all that big on subway expansion for many decades. In fact that map will be undergoing some major changes next year. 2 LRT lines will be opening and the Scarborough RT will be closing and be replaced by an extension of line 2 in 2030. Also in 2030, a new line 3, the Ontario line will open so it won't look so simple for too much longer.

Vor 2 Monate
Justin Garro
Justin Garro

You have this pretty map, THEN A FRIGGIN' GREEN CIRCLE RUINS IT

Vor 2 Monate
Alex Smith
Alex Smith

Love it. Wish you had the time and resources to make videos more frequently. Easily one of favourite channels on YouTube.

Vor 2 Monate
Adam Osman
Adam Osman

Absolute blinder of a video, killed myself laughing and learned loads of STUFF. Just brilliant.

Vor 2 Monate
PharmaGiles
PharmaGiles

I think Jay is the only YouTuber whose sponsor segments I actually look forward to. I hope they pay him a bonus!

Vor 2 Monate
Hand-in-Shot Productions
Hand-in-Shot Productions

Agreed! Whereas most other ads aren't that special, an advertisement by Jay is a skit unto itself!

Vor Monat
Isak Blomberg
Isak Blomberg

He's a comedian, and his comedy is gold.

Vor Monat
Sophie de Jong
Sophie de Jong

Daniel Thrasher is also excellent at this!

Vor 2 Monate
Sionnachan
Sionnachan

I never skip Jay and Internet Historian's sponsor segments because they're hilarious. On occasion I'll even listen to Max Miller's ones because you have to reward those amazing segues he does.

Vor 2 Monate
Wardenclyffe Media
Wardenclyffe Media

Jay and Brutalmoose

Vor 2 Monate
TKV Sci Geo Gadgets
TKV Sci Geo Gadgets

🤣That is by far the funniest and most creative ad plug I have ever seen from any YouTube creator ever🥇

Vor 2 Monate
RBernsCarter 1990
RBernsCarter 1990

I get really anxious being on the tube (and in London in general, it’s too busy and crowded for my liking) and I find it really helps to stare at the maps on the tube and count the stops I have left before I get off or follow all the tube lines to pass the time and distract me

Vor 2 Monate
Dan Dart
Dan Dart

Accessibility signs are absolutely necessary. Sure, less blobby but make all of them accessible and you won't have to have the signs if you just have one on the front.

Vor 2 Monate
John Airey
John Airey

The more complex stations need text explanations not extra blobs!

Vor Tag
sunsetyellow
sunsetyellow

Yep, this 100%. There's no alternative until the entire network is accessible, and due to TfL's funding that won't be for a long long time.

Vor Monat
TheZacman2
TheZacman2

You are the definition of a high-effort YouTuber.

Vor 2 Monate
artemiswolfang
artemiswolfang

I found the Tube map to be very useful on my trip to London (though not as much as the lines listed inside the train itself) as I had no data on my phone. I do wish it had been a bit less cluttered though... it's a bit hard to read, especially if you're not familiar with London.

Vor 2 Monate
Nathan McGill
Nathan McGill

Important thing to note: The New York Subway map was not always a mess. Massimo Vignelli, who was a passionate believer in modernist graphic design, produced a Harry Beck-style map of the subway in 1972. It was perfect, and Vignelli is likely also turning 45 degrees in his grave as we speak

Vor 2 Monate
Zhi Han Lee
Zhi Han Lee

@Shaun Young Read that New Yorkers wanted their subway map to be more geographically accurate, since some lines run closer to each other in parallel, so they could tell which line would be nearer to them. Fortunately I guess the subway largely follows the road network/layout there (as it's mostly cut & cover) which is more regular, so the map still doesn't look super messy

Vor Monat
Shaun Young
Shaun Young

@Eat the Rich That thing is, it doesn't matter. You know where you are starting and where you are trying to go, everything else in the middle is irrelevant. So having the map represent anything more than the route between the two stations is not very useful. And all that trying to fit geography makes the map substantially harder to read. When I first lived somewhere with a Beck style map, I hated it. But once I got used to it I realized my brain thinks in the same way as the map, based on transit points not actual geography.

Vor Monat
Joel T. Luber
Joel T. Luber

@Eat the Rich  @eattherich9215  Yeah, you're right. The MTA map is pretty good for figuring out which stop is closest to a specific location, something the Underground map can't really do. It also helps that NYC has a very rigid split between urban subways and suburban commuter rail vs London where the urban subways lines are just extended out to the suburbs to serve as commuter rail. That means there different maps at different scales for urban subways and suburban rail.

Vor 2 Monate
Eat the Rich
Eat the Rich

The London tube man is not really representative of what is above ground. The MTA map looks as if it might echo what is above ground.

Vor 2 Monate
Qingyang Zhang
Qingyang Zhang

7:40 Four stations on the southwestern corner of the cyan coloured Line 10 (the larger loop) is in a different font from the rest. This has been a thing for ten years.

Vor 2 Monate
Polite Cube
Polite Cube

7:46 want to mention that the Hong Kong map is the older version. The new version have brown and purple connected, and as a Hong Konger I hate the two lines swapping

Vor 2 Monate
Marcus Mo
Marcus Mo

7:46 The Hong Kong MTR System map in this video is 2 years ago (outdated), as Tun Ma Line and East Rail Line Extension to Admiralty is a thing just months ago.

Vor 2 Monate
soapymargherita
soapymargherita

Hey Jay, I remember seeing you supporting Dave Gorman at Farnborough 6th form college in like 2002/03. No idea who you were but thought you were super funny, and I'm so glad you have these channels now because you're still great. Good job.

Vor 2 Monate
soapymargherita
soapymargherita

@Jay Foreman oh woops. I assumed it was while I was actually at college. Well my point stands :)

Vor 2 Monate
Jay Foreman
Jay Foreman

Hello! I supported Dave Gorman on his 2011 tour, so it wasn’t as long ago as it feels. :)

Vor 2 Monate
TheStoryMouse
TheStoryMouse

These videos are unfailingly brilliant. Thank you SO much!

Vor 2 Monate
Lena
Lena

I was in Stuttgart last week and actually used their map. It was a little bit confusing. Took me ages to make out which colour was which line. I just had to go for 2 stations, so Google Maps wasn't really that helpful.

Vor 2 Monate
Cyryl Kraft
Cyryl Kraft

Allgemeiner Benutzer Fehler

Vor 2 Monate
Zach
Zach

As someone from Toronto its a bit sad seeing our bare bones ass line with like no interconnections compared to all these other amazing networks :(

Vor 2 Monate
Midas
Midas

Normally I would really not give a shit about this subject but Jay always finds a Way to make it funny

Vor 2 Monate
Mando
Mando

I was with you until you asked if we need accessibility information on the map.

Vor 2 Monate
Gavin Freedman
Gavin Freedman

Hilarious episode as always. I have a poster of the really rubbish map on my toilet door.

Vor 2 Monate
Put GOD First
Put GOD First

I used to be obsessed with a london map therefore I used it for my 2nd year final project when I was in the college, I took lots of abstract drawings and also made a game out of it. Lots of animations, redrawing, writing scripts, etc..😰🥴😅... Well it was a very large project that didn't finish however today I am happy to know who was the original designer. 🤣 He looks looner like me who anyone can take advantage of. 😭😭🤣🤣

Vor 2 Monate
Thomas Morten
Thomas Morten

this could’ve been a map men episode - made me burst out laughing

Vor 2 Monate
LARAUJO
LARAUJO

9:12 Max Roberts' 2nd one in the shape of the Underground logo is both hilarious and pretty easy to read

Vor 2 Monate
Aaron Koelker
Aaron Koelker

How dare you make me stop and pause the video in half-second increments a double dozen times to read your insightful critiques of each international map

Vor 2 Monate
100K Sub Challenge Without Videos
100K Sub Challenge Without Videos

Jay Foreman never disappoints!!

Vor 2 Monate
Niko
Niko

When I first saw the video name, I thought it would be a Map Men video, but this series is just as amazing!

Vor 2 Monate
osobaum
osobaum

The Stockholm rail map is great! No unnecessary clutter, just our three types of train line and no tram lines, busses or Ikea markers.

Vor 2 Monate
osobaum
osobaum

it's actually amazing that it's been kept readable considering all the infrastructure constantly being added.

Vor 2 Monate
mooble
mooble

ironically

Vor 2 Monate
osobaum
osobaum

Thanks Harry Beck!

Vor 2 Monate
Boabywankenobi
Boabywankenobi

Harry Beck voicing Jago Hazzard was a skillful, deft touch. Well played sir.

Vor 2 Monate
Snooker Da Dooka
Snooker Da Dooka

I caught that too. Came looking for a comment to confirm. 🤣

Vor 2 Monate
Tulle Rönnmyr
Tulle Rönnmyr

​@Jay Foreman No wonder Mr Hazzard avoids showing his face if he has to wear glasses like that!

Vor 2 Monate
THjelm
THjelm

@Owen Harcombe Oh, I must have missed that one!

Vor 2 Monate
B3G8
B3G8

@Jay Foreman :O

Vor 2 Monate
Owen Harcombe
Owen Harcombe

@THjelm Geoff Marshall was in part 1!

Vor 2 Monate
Artur Schneider
Artur Schneider

Jays ads are always at the very least as good as the videos, quality right there

Vor 2 Monate
Joyo Snooze
Joyo Snooze

I went to Paris and used their metro system extensively. I don't speak or understand a lick of French and I had no idea where I was going, but it was easy to navigate. Literally- dot A -> B -> C.. etc I'm native to the UK. I've been to London twice. I remember standing in front of the map of the Tube and it was like looking at a brain scan. To this day I have no comparison to how lost I felt.

Vor 2 Monate
FluorineWizard
FluorineWizard

Every map leaflet for the Paris Metro and every station feature both an abstract network diagram and a geographically accurate map. The trick here is that those maps show a much smaller area as they only include Paris proper and the closest suburbs that are basically extensions of the center. Whereas maps of London actually cover most of the metropolitan area which is absolutely massive. Paris would also look a mess if one were to cram the outer suburbs.

Vor 2 Monate
Non Descript
Non Descript

Wasn't expecting to see Jago Hazard in your video. Seeing him is a pleasant surprise.

Vor 2 Monate
Ashley Balderston
Ashley Balderston

Poor Beck!!! What a bloody shafting he received! Nice to see he’s getting the recognition now but still. Whoever at TFL made that decision should be ashamed.

Vor 2 Monate
Peterscraps
Peterscraps

Harry: I offer you thousands of hours of practice and research, my unrivaled skill, years of proven success and a map that can be the best it can be for the price of just using it as it is. TL: sorry, we gave our new project manager a crayon and he's very protective of it, we'll compromise by letting him copy your homework.

Vor Monat
jameson stalanthas yu
jameson stalanthas yu

I love the London Tube map, but I also love my fictional Alice in Wonderland Tube map and Hobbit Tube map as well.

Vor 2 Monate
Ian McGurren
Ian McGurren

2:47 Camden Town to Mornington Crescent? Unless you’re playing the 1911 Lord Walthrop variation (Regency amendment) then you’re going to find yourself in Nidd, pretty sharpish.

Vor 2 Monate
Emily
Emily

I love the tube map, I even bought a mug with it on when I went to London in 2011. I use it every day

Vor 2 Monate
Kafen8d
Kafen8d

Ikea stores are usually considered a landmark, thanks to the insanely tall sign. The one in Colorado sued the city because they wanted to install a taller sign than was legally allowed, and they won. They have the tallest and largest sign in Denver, towering over a bridge on the highway.

Vor 2 Monate
John Airey
John Airey

@Ognjen Šijak I imagine First Amendment rights

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Aurea Vita
Aurea Vita

The Ikea Empire shall have what it requires.

Vor Monat
Ognjen Šijak
Ognjen Šijak

How did they win the case?

Vor 2 Monate
axolotllan
axolotllan

I love the comment for the TTC map. comment I wonder if he managed to stumble into seeing the map of the underground paths, Terrible inconsistent internet access and very easy to get lost in if you don't save a map ahead of time to find your way out.

Vor 2 Monate
rddragon5
rddragon5

You're talking about *the* PATH which yes probably hides a Minotaur somewhere in its labyrinthine halls

Vor Monat
Jet C
Jet C

Tim the traveler and Jago Hazzard cameo just made my day

Vor 2 Monate
slashdisco
slashdisco

Surprised that Jay could make such a basic mistake as saying five guineas in the 1930s is worth £5.25 today. A guinea was one pound and one shilling, which means Beck was paid five pounds and five shillings *THEN*, which is over £300 today. A paltry sum to be sure, but still!

Vor 2 Monate
Dominic Johnson
Dominic Johnson

Is everyone out here not appreciating that incredible cameo? I can't be the only one who saw it!

Vor 2 Monate
Aarre Peltomaa
Aarre Peltomaa

9:12 That one is really nasty; it burns my eyes just to see those 90 degree turns. Too psychodelic ! There should be 2 or 3 versions of the Tube Map available based on what a person needs; if a person isn't 'physically challenged', and doesn't ride the Overground, then he would opt for the simplified version. Yes ?? Aarre Peltomaa

Vor 2 Monate
David Gustavsson
David Gustavsson

As a tourist in London, the tube map was absolutely crucial. An app is great if you know what you're doing, but being able to check station for station that you're on the right line in the right direction is invaluable.

Vor 2 Monate
Builder Bob
Builder Bob

Its always been so wild to me. I love the realistic maps like New York's and could never understand why everyone likes the design most everywhere else uses.

Vor 2 Monate
A
A

Because they’re the easiest to use.

Vor Monat
Michael Vaughan
Michael Vaughan

How I would fix the tube map, as someone whose knowledge of tube maps is limited entirely to the contents of this and the previous video, thereby making me an expert, is transparencies. Start with the tube map you know and love, on a white page. Just the underground. Each other mode of transport, the light rail, buses, trams, the overground, they get printed on a transparent page. The rider can then have a map precisely as neat or as cluttered as they like, with only the information relevant to them. Live on an overground line and wand to find the most convenient spot to switch to the underground? Put the overground transparency over the tube map. This sounds crazy and expensive, and it is, but Jay is right: people will most likely use an app on their phone, or an information terminal (you have planning terminals right? Like those touchscreen shopping centre maps?). The physical map is just for us nerds who like artifacts to have and hold. You can still have the paper leaflets with the cluttered travesty for the tourists who need something quick, but if people want the good multi-layered map, they should be happy to hand over a pound at the info desk.

Vor 2 Monate
hedgehog3180
hedgehog3180

I've noticed that you've started producing content in large bursts of one series rather than switching between them.

Vor 2 Monate
hedgehog3180
hedgehog3180

@Jay Foreman Ah so it's just the release schedule that has changed?

Vor Monat
Jay Foreman
Jay Foreman

It’s always been that way. Every video in my channel was produced back to back with at least one other video. (The last 11 Map Mens were all written/filmed in one go.)

Vor 2 Monate
Brickley yard
Brickley yard

I like the map I not been living in London for nearly 5 years now whent back for the first time in 5 years and didn't have any problems understanding it at all I think there is a lot going on and yes it could do with a tidy but I think it's perfectly readable

Vor 2 Monate
HimOff TheQuakerOatBox
HimOff TheQuakerOatBox

7:45 The problem with the Paris map is that when it gets exposed to sun & muck there are several shades of blue/teal/green that look the same, and also the /orange /brown. P.S. If it's worth putting text on screen, it's worth leaving it up long enough to read. If it's not worth reading, don't put it at all.

Vor 2 Monate
George Helyar
George Helyar

The Elizabeth line is such a disappointment. It's the same line out to reading as before, you still have to change at Paddington even if you're already on the Elizabeth line, they just use crappy tube trains where there used to be proper trains so you can spend the time in less comfort, and then added it to the London tube map for some reason.

Vor 2 Monate
Mister Fox
Mister Fox

Seeing jago hazard in this episode is awesome!

Vor 2 Monate
Will White
Will White

He's a fine figure of a man

Vor Monat
Astro_Dav
Astro_Dav

Definitely him

Vor Monat
the mad man
the mad man

@Jez Davies oh no I think that wasnt him but it was a voiceover

Vor Monat
Football Fumb
Football Fumb

I did wonder about his voice.

Vor Monat
Jez Davies
Jez Davies

Still protecting his anonymity with the glasses, love that

Vor 2 Monate
Nic Vulcano
Nic Vulcano

Oh wow, I can't believe you managaed to get Mark Cooper-Jones from the web series "Map Men" on a video! Hopefully there's more collaborations with him!

Vor 2 Monate
angelicMisha
angelicMisha

Wow, Jug Cerovic's design is genuinely gorgeous to look at.

Vor 2 Monate
Jay Foreman
Jay Foreman

I wish I had the time and space to show you the whole zoomed out thing in full. It’s extremely clever and beautiful - the best of the bunch by far!

Vor 2 Monate
Benjamin Chadwick
Benjamin Chadwick

"You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of loyal service". Love it!!

Vor 2 Monate
Faye Cadman
Faye Cadman

Cameo by @jagohazzard ? Great to see 😀 Informative as ever, Jay.

Vor 2 Monate
Phuc Yhou
Phuc  Yhou

How many millions of unwanted conversations and awkward eye contact moments have been avoided just reading the map while travelling on the Tube ?

Vor Monat
Mark Wright
Mark Wright

I suppose that's one advantage of a more complicated map, you can stare at it for hours and it's perfectly reasonable for anyone walking by, 'Anti-Beck claims another' :) Having said that though, a Beck design deserves to be admired, so you could reasonably stand staring at that for hours too without question, and if anyone dare asks what you're doing, 'It's a masterpiece' is all you would have to say. :)

Vor Monat
Josh Aston
Josh Aston

You should go look up the Glasgow subway map, that is even more mind boggling!

Vor 2 Monate
hoiy vinosa
hoiy vinosa

Jay. You’re such a fantastic story teller

Vor 2 Monate
mickimicki
mickimicki

The Berlin map at 7:44 is outdated. The gap between U5 and U55 has been closed with a couple of new stations. (The line does have a very uninspired brown colour on the map, but the new stations look rather nice.)

Vor 2 Monate
Kornoth
Kornoth

Simple fix to the map, keep everything and just add filters.

Vor 2 Monate
g0d5m15t4k3
g0d5m15t4k3

"You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of loyal service." hit me in the feels.

Vor 2 Monate
elucidate
elucidate

@raakone It actually is Jago.

Vor 2 Monate
Hanz
Hanz

@raakone and made by Jago himself. Loved that bit.

Vor 2 Monate
raakone
raakone

I agree, nice Jago reference there!

Vor 2 Monate
The Aircrafter
The Aircrafter

Is no one gonna talk about how this man somehow goes Half-Asleep Chris here. I recognize that facial features anywhere

Vor 2 Monate
julia francesca
julia francesca

When I was 12, my parents took me to London for the first time. They showed me how to read the tube map on the way into the centre and on the way back, they had me direct them without any help. Such a fond memory and now the tube map holds a very special place in my heart! This was fantastic, Jay!

Vor 2 Monate
Osman
Osman

The representation of Thameslink at 08:40 seems especially vindictive as the core stations basically all line up in a straight vertical line

Vor 2 Monate
Jay Foreman
Jay Foreman

I know, right?! And that interchange at Farringdon which is longer on the map than the distance of the actual interchange itself!

Vor 2 Monate
local kauf
local kauf

Your take on the overground is SO TRUE

Vor Monat
Красное Пламя
Красное Пламя

Well, we use two different maps in Prague, Czechia. One with metro and the other one with metro and trams.

Vor 2 Monate
Z M
Z M

We need to bring Beck back to life.

Vor 2 Monate
Victorian Transport Videos
Victorian Transport Videos

7:49 one line does go straight through without going through the city Loop The Frankston-Werribee Williamstown line (Green)

Vor 2 Monate
SeventeenF
SeventeenF

7:40 "It feels dirty completing their metro map" — well, it feels really dirty complimenting this video after seeing that particular comment. As if ordinary employees of the design bureau that did the map (and built upon almost a hundred years of history in doing so) are to blame for the actions of some most certainly not Moscow Metro-related branches of the government a few months ago. I swear, it's as if Westerners have finally found something that's cool to hate after decades of being told that hate is never okay, and now all those repressed feelings of xenophobia have finally found a convenient and acceptable target.

Vor 2 Monate
Jay Foreman
Jay Foreman

That’s a fair complaint, and I feel bad about what I said.

Vor 2 Monate
Minifig Jez
Minifig Jez

Tim Traveller and Jago Hazzard in a Jay Foreman video? Three of my favourite YouTubers together at last !

Vor 2 Monate
Minifig Jez
Minifig Jez

@Nigel Gentry yes, they would have made it a full house! (I still can’t believe that Jago did his face reveal on someone else’s channel !!!)

Vor 2 Monate
Nigel Gentry
Nigel Gentry

Indeed. Geoff Marshall and Tom Scott would have completed it, though. Especially Geoff Marshall because it was about the Tube.

Vor 2 Monate
Matéo Corso
Matéo Corso

This map of the parisian metro is a new one. The old one was easier to read, but less smooth and conceptual.

Vor 2 Monate
Peter Burgess
Peter Burgess

Thanks for this. I designed a 'tube' for the Lakeland Fells 12 years ago, which I named '"Tubular Fells". I lived and worked as a geography teacher in London at the time (living there for 23 years) and wanted to map the fells in honour of Harry Beck and that beacon of the English Lake District , Alfred Wainwright. I was a founder member of the Wainwright Society and I now live and work in Cumbria. The time and effort I took in order to emulate Harry Beck's work stretched my geeky approach, but I think I did alright and the resulting map has become quite iconic. It's a pleasing creation which adopted the basic rules of topology and I honoured both men by including their names. Ironically, Beck is a great name and addition for the map, meaning a mountain stream. I guess he was Harry Mountain Stream! Thanks for giving this explanation to us all. I will be directing people this way. Ad altiora!

Vor 2 Monate
Paul Savage
Paul Savage

This is absolutely brilliant. Do you have a website I can buy one from so you make as much money as possible?

Vor 2 Monate
Peter Burgess
Peter Burgess

​@David Calder And thanks to you for supporting me! Tubular Fells has brought me great pleasure and helped me to contribute to the protection of the place I love, in some small part. I never advertised, but through my enthusism it seemed to appear in every outdoor's publication, including The Guardian and even The Sun! I initially produced the map without any notion it would become so popular but it certainly resonated throughout the fellwalking world. I am so touched it has become a treasured possession; nay I am humbled. I am sure I could sort it, but if you would likle me to inscribe a map for you it would be my pleasure to get one to you. Reply and I am sure we can sort it. Peter Burgess

Vor 2 Monate
David Calder
David Calder

I have a print on my hallway wall. As a fan of maps, the Lake District and Mike Oldfield it is one of my most treasured possessions. I’m very pleased I now get the chance to say thank you to you for producing it: Thank you. I’m also a Charlatans fan so to have the name Burgess on there is also a major plus!

Vor 2 Monate
Rhittours London Busman
Rhittours London Busman

I think the London Overground and Elizabeth Line could go on the Southeast Railway Map or Southern Railway Map.

Vor 2 Monate
Ian Trott
Ian Trott

A great episode… but the accessibility symbols are vital for disabled customers. They can be easily removed when the whole network is fully accessible and step free. How’s that going I wonder 🤔

Vor 2 Monate
AngryPotato
AngryPotato

Indeed, as a foreigner, I use the map to plan my journeys around London and it really encourages me to hop on a train and start exploring! (but it's also confusing, mainly because of additional non-tube services added) Lovely video! I'm glad Harry Beck eventually got the deserved recognition!

Vor 2 Monate
Paul Baker
Paul Baker

I remember the family confusion when they unveiled the plaque at Finchley Central. He either used West Finchley or Highgate depending on whether he was at home or at his parents. As well as further Underground Maps, he would also 'invent' things, but they were never that great. My grandfather, who was an engineer, would often sit with Harry and explain why they would never work.

Vor 2 Monate
Andy Keith
Andy Keith

“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” The modern tube map designers should pin that above their desks.

Vor 2 Monate

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