Understanding The Last of Us Part II | Girlfriend Reviews

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    We have a very special, very different video for you all today. This isn't a review of The Last of Us Part II. This is an understanding of The Last of Us Part II. #tlou2 #TheLastOfUs #NaughtyDog
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angel7661
angel7661

Some of the problems with the game story comes how game treats Abby far more favorable compared to Ellie, the story it self is full of flaws on how certain characters act. The whole revenge and forgiveness seems hollow when both character go on killing sprees without remorse.

Vor 7 Stunden
Jason Franquez
Jason Franquez

Great review one of the few that kept me engaged without having someone complain all way through. What I think would of made more of an impact would have been making the player finish off Joel during Abby section. Having to hit square knowing we be delivering killer blow to the head

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JyWang
JyWang

I think naughty dog made this game with an overexpection of the amount of empathy its gamers have

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Kian Kline
Kian Kline

THE DAY 2 CROSSOVER. THEY LITERALLY WERE IN THE HOSPITAL AT THE SAME TIME HFHFHFFUHUHhuHSuhu neil you GENIUS

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Dan McVey
Dan McVey

Spot on. Easily one of the best and most emotionally challenging games I’ve ever played. Thanks for articulating the merits. Whether you like the story or not (which I do), this is a damn brave and interesting work of art.

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Kyle Alexander
Kyle Alexander

The best comments ive ever seen on these games. I dont know if i can forgive abby for killing joel, but id like to try. Joel: if god gave me the chance, id do it all over again. Me: i agree joel (plays tlou 37x through)

Vor 13 Stunden
Jacob Mulligan
Jacob Mulligan

If a game has to be explained the game itself has failed. The death of Joel is not hated simply because he dies but because he dies in an unbelievable, undeserved way. Many do not sympathize with Abby because the game tried to make her a better person than she actually was. The bad writing, bland characters, and that end. This game was certainly ambitious but you're coating mediocre with the likes of Tarantino killed me a little.

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ryne green
ryne green

Jacob Mulligan you’re acting as if the original was some trailblazer of original story telling, it wasn’t. The first one was rather tropey and honestly felt safe in many areas. The one thing that this story have over that one was that it took some risks. And I’m pretty sure you’re doing a disservice to the people are praising the story by claiming it’s just because of putting scenes out of order. And what was the suspension of disbelief are you going on about? Joel and his brother were on security patrol (one of the job of security patrol is to help out travelers and even bring them in in case they are hurt) when a horde start chasing them where they ran into Abby who was suggest going back to her hideout, with no option Joel and Tommy follow her and that resulted in Joel’s death. Why does suspension of disbelief is needed there? And Abby does work as a character because in the first half of the game you are suppose to view her as the bad guy until the switch (one of the game theme is looking at things from other people perspective for Christ sake). Sound like you’re just piss that you didn’t get to kill her. Dina wasn’t even aware that she was pregnant when she And there was plenty of character development in this game so you have to be blind as a bat to not see it or you are just trying to make your criticism of the sound smarter by adding that in. You may not like the character development but it is there. Also Dina being pregnant is suppose to make her similar to Mel (another pregnant lady) as well as Ellie choosing to prioritize revenge over getting her back to safety until after she killed a pregnant woman, showing just how obsess she was with killing Abby. Are you asking why Dina told Ellie she was pregnant? Well, remember in the beginning, Owen told Abby that Mel was pregnant in hopes that Abby would drop the revenge and head back. I imagine that why’s Dina told Ellie about her pregnancy (she wasn’t even aware of it herself until she got to Seattle).

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Jacob Mulligan
Jacob Mulligan

@ryne green The story isn't hard to understand, it's incredibly generic but people act as though putting the scenes out of order makes it profound. I also don't care if Joel has a heroes death but his death only works with suspension of disbelief. His death is the catalyst for the plot but it doesn't work in terms of sense. Abby doesn't work because she kills joel before we know anything about her and then the game tries to get you to emphathise with her. Its incredibly blatant as well as making us question ellie and our original desire for revenge as a player. Im not even gonna go into the bad writing, the forced emotions, the weird choice to have a pregnant woman on the front lines, suspension of disbelief, lack of character development etc...

Vor 10 Stunden
ryne green
ryne green

So the developers have to hold your hand in order for you to understand the story (that frankly wasn’t that hard to understand)? And what about Joel’s death “undeserved”? Did the man not shot up a building full of people and kill the only doctor who could create a cure? Whether it was justified or not, there would still be consequences regardless. If you felt like Joel should had gotten a “hero’s death”, you should be aware that no character get a hero death in this series. As of now, every character that died in this series died in a gruesome, violent way so what make Joel the exception? And if you can sympathize with Joel who did the arguably worst thing of the two, I don’t see how you can’t sympathize with Abby, someone who life was ruined by Joel’s action and took away someone important to her. It isn’t bad writing because you couldn’t understand or like the writing nor was the ending bad.

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C.L. Cannon
C.L. Cannon

I finally finished this game and Yall really about to make me cry more...

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Keenen Hoedemaker
Keenen Hoedemaker

Music at @3:04

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Vance Jacobs
Vance Jacobs

You two’s reaction to Abby nearly killing Dina was exactly like my reaction when watching it for the first time.

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Paul Crichton
Paul Crichton

I just finished the game after putting it off for a month or so. Not sure how to feel, but I found this video very insightful, and fair in relation to deconstructing TLOUP2 and the overwhelming initial hate it received from most. Thanks @Girlfriend Reviews

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Chris Colin
Chris Colin

I agree with everything you said until the ending. Its just hard to grasp that after everything Ellie did to get her revenge and realizing how horrible it was and nearly losing everyone, she still thinks she needs to go kill Abby and abandon her new family. Thats what so hard for me with the ending. Also kinda BS that Ellie didn't at the very least understand Joel's decision to save when she had a Dinas kid.

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iisanulquiorrahara8
iisanulquiorrahara8

PTSD is an awful thing. If you look at her journal beforehand, too, you'll see what the guilt is doing to her mentally and physically, and that's on top of the flashes and her much worse physical state. As someone who sees a happy ending being wasted, we understand that she needs to stay, but in her shoes, we can see she desperately needs her closure.

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Martin Miguel
Martin Miguel

I also tried not to press square at the end. Knew it would not work, but I had to try. I actually replayed LOU 1 just to see if I had a choice at the end. Good thing is, if a studio can do games like this, cinema during a pandemic is saved!

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NUKE
NUKE

This game maybe could be seen from few years down the line as a game ahead of its time.

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nulfater
nulfater

Not for me but I didn’t like the first one, so the whole “Abby bad” never hit me like it did like people who really loved the first one.

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The-Vella-ciraptor
The-Vella-ciraptor

Best. Video. Ever. Thank you.

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Servan Castillo
Servan Castillo

THANK YOU.

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Matt Leshman
Matt Leshman

One of the best reviews and plot analysis I ever heard about TLOU2

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Dillon Bigcrane
Dillon Bigcrane

You have a beautiful soul 🦦

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Andrew Bates
Andrew Bates

If you understand both Ellie’s and Abby’s stories then you see past the fog and in way, you won the game. Wow. I won a game that several VERIFIED YouTubers didn’t. Honestly thanks ND you made me figure out I’m more of a visionary than pewdiepie will ever be

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Arthur Feu
Arthur Feu

when i saw the credits I just wished Ellie could "work with Abby" for a cure. That's all I want. A poetical ending for Ellie.

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A I
A I

God love this game so much. It's one of the best stories of trauma and tragedy I've seen. Going from hating Abbey to realising that she's so much like Joel. It's so beautiful. If you like slice of life stories, sure that's great. But don't go into a tragedy story expecting anything but that.

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David Sljivic
David Sljivic

what a great video!

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MeoWave
MeoWave

Neil druckman not naughty dog thanks

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Ancient_One
Ancient_One

It's shit. They did it for shock value where we were looking for the continuing story of Joel and Ellie not a revenge story and the loss of a loved character. I appreciate what they did but not happy overall. Disappointed.

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Ross Paul
Ross Paul

So you're basically saying that people who didn't like the game lacked understanding? Absolute nonsense, just because it's explained doesn't make it good. A pregnant woman fighting on the front lines to create drama and Abby playing with dogs to make her seem good is lazy writing.

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Leisure Larry
Leisure Larry

well said

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Chris Harmon
Chris Harmon

The only problem I had with the story was that it jumped back and forth so much. That would've been fine if I was playing and finishing the game in a few days, but I just don't have time to do that. I played and finished it over the course of about three weeks...so several things didn't hit me the way they should have probably. I actually enjoyed playing with Abby. She was aggressive and had some great weapons.

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WonderBred
WonderBred

As someone who has also lost a father I appreciate this game for the reasons you said, but I think they could have gotten the same effect with a different narrative choice

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Dan Cho
Dan Cho

Hey guys, thank you for this brilliant review! Love your channel, keep up the great work! One question: What`s that track from 5:36 to~6:10 ?

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Una Vela
Una Vela

I mean irl if somebody killed somebody I love, even if he had good reasons I would still seek revenge bc realistically no forgiveness and revenge bad will make me feel better after watching someone I love getting beaten to death and even worse, the other person doesn't show any type of remorse or sadness

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Una Vela "after making a girl and a innocent man miserable." Who is the innocent man? "She has killed lots of people and doesn't show remorse, opposed to Ellie..." So... You think both girls have the same starting point? Same background? Same training? Same life? "If she didn't care about Joel not being just a killer why would I care about her being something more than a hypocritical and apathetic killer." I don't know... Let me think... because you have perspective? Because of Ellie? Because of Lev? Because of good vs evil?

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Nomadic Vision
Nomadic Vision

@Una Vela Abby’s whole arc in Seattle was redemption. Specifically when she went above and beyond to save Yara and Lev, due to her guilt for killing Joel. It wasn’t directly told but she did feel remorse after Jackson. Her interactions with her friends slowly revealed her guilt. When Yara and Lev asked her why she’s helping them despite not owing them anything she replied that it’s due to guilt and that she needed to.

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Una Vela
Una Vela

@San Blindsnake sparing Ellie a couple times without reason doesn't make her any more likeable neither does it erase the fact that she consciously put the same trauma she had on Ellie even after the man he demonized saved her and saw he wasn't just a demon. She still doesn't show any type of pity or unrest after making a girl and a innocent man miserable. She has killed lots of people and doesn't show remorse, opposed to Ellie who is clearly troubled by what she is doing. If she didn't care about Joel not being just a killer why would I care about her being something more than a hypocritical and apathetic killer. We are supposed to forgive somebody who has hurt us beyond measure even when I'm sure nobody irl would forgive the killer who murdered the person they loved the most without feeling remorse or even being uncomfortable.

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

But then... You also need to add perspective like: the type of world TLOU is, that fact that Abby let you live twice, including showed mercy to a person you love. Even after you killed the love of her life. There is also a kid who is almost death in the balance... And so on...

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Guilherme Cirillo
Guilherme Cirillo

That was the best by far review on the story of tlou2 I have seen by now, I see so much anger on people that simply just want violence when the intention on the story is simply the opposite of that, showing to everyone that even "villains" have they own story, and maybe they are not bad at all if you put yourself in their shoes. I got really connected to Abby, and understand what she passed through and her motives when you get that she is not a monster, but just a person like Ellie with the same goal, you realize that what the lesson here is that you should always listen to the other even if you think they are a bad person.

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theasshole
theasshole

look at what they did to my boy.

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adrian
adrian

The material finding is extremely taxing. But i am among the few who really liked the story. It shows persepective and the very human side of the story (not that tlou1 already did that).

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RavTheTank
RavTheTank

I love this video. Well done!

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Mr. A
Mr. A

There is supposed to be only one elephant in the room, not multiple elephants.

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rockerrrrrrrrrrr
rockerrrrrrrrrrr

This just randomly came up, never played this game or heard about it. But such a well compiled video

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Filip Vadas
Filip Vadas

I understand what they were trying to do, but honestly they didn't quite stick the landing. Its not a bad game, but its not great either.

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

"they didn't quite stick the landing" Clearly, for some it did...

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Rodney Van der Westhuizen
Rodney Van der Westhuizen

I finally finished the game. It was an amazing experience. Very well done review!!!

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Rylan Allen
Rylan Allen

By far one of my favourite reviews on this game. Subscribed!!

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Bardia Pashaei
Bardia Pashaei

Understanding ?! Seriously!? The game is not complicated at all!! most of players and streamers and ... didn’t like and it doesn’t mean its complicated or they didn’t get the point . The game is so clear and everybody understands it

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Bardia Pashaei The story is not based in revenge. The character motivations are based on revenge. The story is based in a lot of themes. Revenge is the first, but then you have themes like redemption, society, survival of the fittest, mourning, moving on with life, forgiveness and ultimately... love. Think for a second... The most enraged players are the ones who think this game is all about revenge. Maybe there is a reason...

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Nomadic Vision
Nomadic Vision

@Bardia Pashaei On surface level it does have the theme of revenge, just like the first one was love. But like the first game there’s also underlying themes with the second.

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Bardia Pashaei
Bardia Pashaei

San Blindsnake the story is based on something and that things is revenge . And you have a brain you can think , and im not saying you can’t like the game , im just saying mu opinion

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

"most of players and streamers" And that's the best way to not show personality... what others think... Like JamesHLanier told you, most of those guys think this game is all about revenge... So how can we take them seriously?

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JamesHLanier
JamesHLanier

@Bardia Pashaei Not really. TLOU2 is about revenge like TLOU1 is about making a cure. It's background and not really what the story is about.

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El Cee
El Cee

So this was a very thoughtful review, and I realized just how the only one I've heard from a womans perspective. This game was emotionally taxing, sometimes excessively. I do like that you focused on the controversy around the story as I think it's been very overblown. However, the game did seem to trudge on too long, and the gameplay felt relatively unchanged. Also, their are quite a few nonsensical moments on the game, specifically characters popping up out of nowhere and Tommy's complete 180 towards the end. I felt the game was truly groundbreaking in terms of narrative, but not a perfect game

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João
João

I actually cried during the last fight because I really didn't want any of them to die and it really looked like Abby was going to die

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Rundhille23 Pool
Rundhille23 Pool

Angry Joe and cr1tical's review makes more sense.

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who you think it is
who you think it is

@San Blindsnake okay then...

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@who you think it is I can't... And what about you? In unbroken logic please...

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who you think it is
who you think it is

@San Blindsnake In unbroken English please.

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

"This game is about revenge and I have no revenge... noooooooo" This statement comes from the moron you said it makes more sense... Want to rephrase?

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who you think it is
who you think it is

@JamesHLanier Your just afraid of the truth, and what? no it doesn't.

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Mau5
Mau5

i cant understand the hate towards this game. i thought the story was beautifully made and i enjoyed every second of it. i laughed, i cried, i was on the edge of my seat from beginning to end.

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wafflnator
wafflnator

Man, i wasn't crying till i watched this. What the heck guys, how are you so amazing at this.

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Jayesh Gaur
Jayesh Gaur

This might be the most appropriate and fair review out there!

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TheOpps !
TheOpps !

The thing is Abbys father was going to kill a kid in hopes have saving humanity. He knew there was at least one person who wouldn’t want that to happen if you are going to kill you gotta be prepared to die. No one in this world seems to get that. Like their rational is this person deserves to die because they killed someone I cared about. How is it that that logic is never turned on themselves they never once thought do I deserve to die for the the people I’ve killed. I don’t know how you would be able to stay motivated if it was ever considered.

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TheOpps !
TheOpps !

JamesHLanier For two things that happen so much there has to be some kinda of logic involved. You can’t tell me that both characters were not thinking logically at all throughout game after their loved ones died. I would have like to see them be confronted and respond to some of the contradictions and hypocritical behaviors.

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JamesHLanier
JamesHLanier

It's almost as if obsession and hatred aren't logical or something....

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B L
B L

Naughty dog got me so bad. What a f*cking experience. BRAVO

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gfbrandaoo
gfbrandaoo

This is the only review of this master piece. Thank you so much for this.

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Neeeko
Neeeko

thank you for this video

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Marvelous Meh
Marvelous Meh

You know the gaming community is toxic when you have to say that they should be kind to one another in the comment section. Yikes. He have to do better than this.

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Charles Tang
Charles Tang

To me those big plot points are fine, i see potential in that and i get the message they tried to convey. The problems are in the little details like the abrupt change in personality or decision making, in turns making the whole story feels forced and corny. It's not like players hate it because we don't get the deep deep self-reflecting social experiment meaning, it's rejected because it's told with a cautionary tales filled with unjustifiable actions.

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JamesHLanier
JamesHLanier

People dealing with trauma act in unpredictable ways that don't make sense.

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pspat101
pspat101

Excellent, articulate, quality review. I just finished the game and thinking back on it as a whole through this video brought me to tears. Thanks for what you guys do and please keep the videos coming!

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ธนานันต์ ธรรมโหร
ธนานันต์ ธรรมโหร

I would say that Abby is a good character and even a good person but represent in a bad way. The first half of the game, Her actions always look villainous in every way, there is not a single hint that she could be a kind, lovable person, she's pure evil. This didn't happen to Joel, even his actions are more sinister. Now, why is that? The answer "Character development" The basics in creating a character base on 3 things 1.who 2. what 3.why, these elements create an expectation, and that leads to connection and immersion. In the first 15 minutes of TLOU1, we get all we need to connect with the character Joel, we see through Sarah's perspective that Joel is a decent man but a caring father, he protects us at all cost, it is believable that he is a man we can trust, we are a bit connected to him. As we shift from Sarah to Joel, we know "Who" he is, "What" he wants, and "Why" he needs to succeed, those elements create "Expectation" which will be subverted in about 10 minutes later. As we play Joel, we see the plot bit by bit(literally), it prepares us for what to come. After 7 minutes of hell, we finally get some hope up(also get a good emotional rollercoaster), a soldier saved us from those freaks, BUT it turns out he's gonna shoot us, BUT he's hesitated, so we might live, turns out no, he has to kill us, we survived from those shots, BUT he's approaching and ready to kill, BUT Tommy kill him just in time, BUT Sarah got hit and she died. This is simple, straightforward storytelling that subverting expectation perfectly, and also did a great job in character development at the same time In Abby's case, we don't know who she is, we slightly know that she is finding someone, but don't know why. We don't even know what Ellie, Tommy, Joel wants, we had nothing to connect to the story of TLOU2 at all until that point that they pulled a cheap trick right onto our face. kill-off the main character from the last game just to drive the plot(at 2 hours in, that pretty late) but this scene could have been much better if they use this scene to establish something more than the main plot. They could have shown us a hint that Abby and her friends are not entirely evil by hesitation or feeling remorse about killing Joel(or just put the scene where Abby lost her father at the beginning of the game, that will fix everything afterward) So it would be plausible when she spares Ellie many times after. Joel could have said something meaningful that struck into Ellie's or Abby's heart, so his word could be a turning point of those characters. There are many things that they could have done to make this better.

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Shahbaz Singh Goraya
Shahbaz Singh Goraya

This is only reviewer apart from IGN (private one) who liked this game’s radical structure !!!....

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4ty Svn
4ty Svn

its not the whole abby killing joel thing. I feel like the discrepencies start with the ending of the last game cause uh.... lets be honest there was no good reason to kill the doctor. He could have just shot him in the foot i mean the man was carrying a scalpel for gods sake.

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4ty Svn
4ty Svn

@Fran Granados ah, that makes abbys motivation make complete sense then. I was perplexing myself over why she would go as far as to beat him with a golf club, but if we're being completely honest, it still seems mad convenient that nobody wanted to hear or understand why about the other person

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Fran Granados
Fran Granados

@4ty Svn Firefly mercs take her by force but Marlene stops them from hurting Joel and she explains the situation to him. He refused to let Ellie die and goes on a rampage

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4ty Svn
4ty Svn

@Fran Granados do the fireflies take ellie or does joel give her to them? genuinely asking

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Fran Granados
Fran Granados

Joel was absolutely blinded by rage, he also shot Marlene dead even when she was unarmed and pleading for her life

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Hunter LeBlanc
Hunter LeBlanc

Pretty please do a Persona 5 Royal Review

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Johnny Clara
Johnny Clara

4:31 the real monster

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konnichi wa
konnichi wa

Ofc nobody cares how many innocent lives she ended and then decided to forgive Abby. It does not represent what Ellie felt at all. Stop trying to make this game better.

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

"how many she ended" Tell me one... Just one... Remember... innocent lives.

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Max Mustermann
Max Mustermann

Nobody Ellie has killed was truly innocent. I can't remember someone Ellie has killed who didn't try to kill her first.

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Uber Alles
Uber Alles

If the player realises revenge is not worth it they can stop playing and that will be the ending lol

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SemanticV0id
SemanticV0id

Oh yeah, you're picking up what they're putting down. It's disheartening that so many people had like 25+ hours to take in the game's message and still completely misunderstood it or, perhaps worse, vehemently disagreed with it. But videos and posts like this help to push that back. Great work.

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Una Vela
Una Vela

A lot of people are also mad about how the game tries to say Ellie bad, she killed that doggo even though you have no other option or she kills mercilessly even though you can see she hates it while Abby doesn't show no feelings about killing Joel or anybody else, it's kind of hypocritical

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Nelson Pun
Nelson Pun

I forgave her. i didnt want ellie to go through with it. Especially after seeing what abby went thru with being a prisoner - that was enough karma to make up for anything. Killed all her friends/lovers/father/tribe and she became a slave for god knows how long, yea i'd say she suffered the equivalent if not more than Ellie losing one father figure. If you cant understand that then you probably wont ever learn forgiveness; or ur just a hater who likes to feed an empty ego by hating things - ie: a lot of the gaming community.

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Cheston Anglesmith Fancy Man of Cornwood
Cheston Anglesmith Fancy Man of Cornwood

Imagine hitting dislike on a video because someone liked a video game you didnt

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Javie Milanez
Javie Milanez

There is something extremely depressing about reading the online reaction to this game after just finishing it. It's literally like...going on such an emotional journey in this game, to sitting and accepting ellies forgiveness towards abby, was such a powerful moment. Something rarely any media can impact me with. Then, seeing everyone online being incapable of that forgiveness...its just sad. Makes me realize there are plenty of people fully motivated by hate, so much so they don't even see it in themselves. For the record, I'm not talking about people who criticize technical points to this game or the story, mainly just talking to the people who left the game angry that ellie didn't kill abby.

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San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Amar And lets not forget that killing Abby would result in Levs death...

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Amar
Amar

Ellie didnt forgive abby. She just let it go knowing killing her wont make her pain stop and the fact that Abby mirrored Joel when she was protecting Lev.

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milo rexhar
milo rexhar

Im not angry that ellie left abby, its just that they should have backed up that scene with something more relatable instead of that sudden flashback, otherwise, the game is top-notch.

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TheFatalitiesTV
TheFatalitiesTV

In some ways, The Last of Us 2 reminds me of Metal Gear Solid 2. I appreciate what they tried to do, but I don't always agree with how they did it. But hey, the response it received practically proves that it accomplished what the creators set out to achieve.

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gbzmr
gbzmr

This was wonderfully written. Bravo to both of you.

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Vance Philips
Vance Philips

I’ve been a subscriber since I stumbled upon the first video y’all put out. Having just finished the game this week and being aware of all the controversy surrounding it, I’m really thankful you put this video out. Hopefully it each beyond your audience and made some of those angry people think. Keep up the good work!

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Evan Griffin
Evan Griffin

This one and dunkeys review were outstanding imo. Really appreciate their viewpoints

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Rafael Mendes
Rafael Mendes

Love your review and the game! Almost all of the criticism towards it is about people who didn't LIKE/WANT it (a feeling) and they don't see about what it IS (objectively).

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Nathan Berger
Nathan Berger

amazing review, couldn't agree more! Well done!

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Olga Bahirkina
Olga Bahirkina

I just wanna say that this is the best review/understanding of the game I've ever seen, honestly. It made me cry like the game itself did. And I agree with every word. Thank you, so, so much.

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Kyle Alexander
Kyle Alexander

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Vor 13 Stunden
Grill Master Cheese
Grill Master Cheese

Easily the best and most clear eyed understanding of the game I’ve seen. Bravo

Vor 6 Tage
Etienne
Etienne

But where is Ja ??!

Vor 6 Tage
So'o Fagamalo
So'o Fagamalo

This is a great analysis of the game, thanks so much for this. Definitely a unique way of telling a story. It's so cool going thru the story playing as Abby and seeing the WLF from her perspective. And meeting all the characters that you killed as Ellie. RIP Alice 😭😭😭

Vor 7 Tage
Irtiza Monju
Irtiza Monju

Everything is good, but I still don't get why Abby went back to the siblings after she saved them, didn't feel a connection that strong between them that'd lead her back there. That's what I feel.

Vor 7 Tage
Aquatic Entity
Aquatic Entity

If you notice Abby keeps helping them just to ignore dealing with her complicated feelings for Owen and guilt for the pregnant Mel. It first happened when Abby and Lev went searching for the sister's medical supplies. Lev asked her why she is helping them and said she has a lot in her mind. Second is when Mel doesn't want Owen to go with Abby, so Abby just went with Yara to look for Lev. She developed a bond with Lev and felt encouraged by Yara's word after the argument with Mel is the part of why she went to the island for Lev.

Vor 3 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Irtiza Monju But in a human act. Not in a payoff act. The human thing to do is to help the children, no matter the faction or group they belong.

Vor 5 Tage
Irtiza Monju
Irtiza Monju

@San Blindsnake when the children are from another faction I guess I expected a connection for her returning to them at the trailer. But reading the other comments I understand that she was redeeming herself through helping them.

Vor 6 Tage
Nomadic Vision
Nomadic Vision

She felt a pull to help them due to her guilt for killing Joel. Despite not owing them anything, she said she needed to when asked why she was helping them. Saving Yara and Lev was her act of redemption and in turn, gained her some form of peace after her nightmares.

Vor 6 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

So... You need a strong connection to save two children? Interesting...

Vor 6 Tage
Davor Schwarz
Davor Schwarz

this game is an absolute literary masterpiece that every fkn moron ever atempting to chime in on any political religious or self opinianated issue should be strapped in the chair and forced to play. every human on the planed should be forced to play this game every fkn polititian in the world every fkn game reviewer and censorship expert every child under 14 every fkn human and animal next GOP summit or UN sumit or WHO sumit or every fkn summit conference gathering sunday church mass etc EVERYONE SHOULD BE LOCKED IN LAST OF US 2 ISOLATION and forced to finish this game of life. than - if they are not crying and realising how stupid and pety and insegnificant and pointless all their world views and ideological political racial virus etc view and opinions are they should all be packed up into Musks Steel rockets and balsted into space onto new planet to start their fked up constantly at war selfopinienated civilisation. I HATED THE FKN GAME I HATED PLAYING AS DUMB ARSE KID ALLY not giving JOEL a MAN chance and hating all the men in her life I HATED PLAYING AS SHITHEDED MONSTER ABBY the muscle woman - i think woman not sure I HATED ALL THE GORE AND UNECESARY VIOLENCE - (turns out it is necesary AND THAN I RELAISED WHAT ND is doing - they are teaching praying hoping people will get the fkn message that when put to test we are all the same animals and violence hate misunderstanding and lack of the villingnes to listen to the OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN leads to distruction as it has since the begining of the civilisation this game is bigger than anything out there currently even though same fkn messagese are in all fkn movies and books -- its just that well they are hidden HERE FOR THE 1ST time its all out in the open it makes you on purpos hate HATE HATE the game HATE THE CHARACTERS, HATE YOURSELF FOR PLAYING it ON FKN PURPOSE as in the end well half way through it expolains very clearly what its all bpout WHAT IS THE HUM

Vor 7 Tage
Sir Steamer
Sir Steamer

The last of us 2 was the best game I’ve played. It’s the first time I did not want to beat the final boss.

Vor 7 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

"It’s the first time I did not want to beat the final boss" Same...

Vor 6 Tage
Lorioyama Emma-O
Lorioyama Emma-O

Pretentious dumb girl trying to sell this piece garbage as art.

Vor 7 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

So... you think you are clever? LOL

Vor 6 Tage
Jimin's Girl
Jimin's Girl

@Max Mustermann ignore him...pretty sure he doesn't even own a playstation

Vor 7 Tage
Max Mustermann
Max Mustermann

How is it a piece of garbage? Even if you didn't like the story, you can't deny the great environments, graphics, gameplay, acting and voice acting.

Vor 7 Tage
Shelbyville Rules
Shelbyville Rules

6:19 I feel this aspect would’ve been far more poignant if we, the gamers had actual agency in those character deaths. If the game had given us a choice and a decision to make in killing certain people then it would’ve been far more impactful when you subsequently see the result from Abby’s point of view.

Vor 7 Tage
Péter Sági
Péter Sági

BRA-VO guys! Awesome review! About two times more objective and nuanced than most critics out there, and about 100X times more than Angry Joe and the like (okay that wasn't that hard.)

Vor 7 Tage
Soumyajit Sadhukhan
Soumyajit Sadhukhan

this game unmask every immature gamers ..BRAVO!!

Vor 8 Tage
Oscar Bergqvist
Oscar Bergqvist

I'm sorry but though the idea behind the game is abitious it's not worth much if you fail in the execution of that idea. The game fails in being a sequal because it retcons alot of thing. The fireflies are made out to be unquestionable good guys. The characters from the last installment are not acting like themselves and are for the worse because of it. The story is contrived and very on the nose with it's message of "Revenge BAD". Things happen and characters make decisions that makes no sense why they would do them other than the plot needs them to. The jarble mess of telling the story from different characters and different times in a non-chronological makes it harder to follow along and harder to care about any of it. Instead of giving us great characters to engage with, Naughy Dog uses cheap tricks to manipulate us to like these new characters that are paper thin and not as likeable as the old ones. All around a failure in execution. Better luck next time.

Vor 8 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@JamesHLanier Better part: "different characters and different times in a non-chronological makes it harder to follow along" My guess it starts with the beginning and finishes in the end...

Vor 6 Tage
JamesHLanier
JamesHLanier

There aren't any retcons at all. The Fireflies are not at all portrayed as unquestionable good guys. There's a sequence in the second game where Ellie travels through a museum that has Firefly war crimes painted on the walls. Every character acts within their established personalities, and the message of the game is not revenge bad. I'm sorry, but it seems like you've misunderstood the game completely.

Vor 7 Tage
Dead Man
Dead Man

gonna wait till this game is 10 dollars

Vor 8 Tage
R1CARD0 1017
R1CARD0 1017

God I felt such dread when I had to fight abby at the end. Ask me if I would've killed abby when I started the game I would've said of course but after walking a mile in her shoes I would've saved her and lev and then given them some guns and ammo.

Vor 8 Tage
Arnie Deyms
Arnie Deyms

I agree

Vor 8 Tage
Weijie Yao
Weijie Yao

The people that disliked the game prolly play Warzone

Vor 8 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Sandeep Really... That's surprising...

Vor 6 Tage
Sandeep
Sandeep

no we play witcher 3 :)

Vor 7 Tage
Benjamin Hill
Benjamin Hill

This video gave me chills. Well done.

Vor 8 Tage
Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

It does all if the things you mention beautifully but I feel like it sacrifices the integrity and authenticity of the characters, especially ellie. Also the gameplay and the cutscenes contradict itself sometimes. The cutscenes are for the most part cohesive, the hesitation when killing for ellie for example remains consistent in the cutscenes. But add in the gameplay where she murders 100s it starts to fall apart.

Vor 8 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Nicholas Lee "Its just that when saw her hesitate i kept thinking back to the people she killed during the levels. " Well, maybe you should start thinking in the little kid who would die along with Abby. Maybe that should be the perspective... "Also at some parts of the game it did become her own personal crusade for revenge." Until the fight with Abby in the theater... Yes... After that... No...

Vor 4 Tage
Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

@Nomadic Vision ah ic yeah i get ehat youre saying

Vor 4 Tage
Nomadic Vision
Nomadic Vision

@Nicholas Lee I feel like Ellie was already distant to a degree even before she met Joel. Her optimism in Part 1 stemmed from her determination to give meaning to her life by becoming the cure for mankind. It only strengthened with every death in the first game. She wanted to honour Riley, Tess and Sam’s death. Similarly with her mother Anna, by searching and fighting for her purpose in life. For those reasons, she resented Joel for preventing that from happening. With her survivor’s guilt worsened, guilt for treating Joel coldly, unresolved conflict from his decision in the hospital and externalising all of these onto Abby, it’s no wonder she’s an absolute wreck in Part 2.

Vor 5 Tage
Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

Did yall see demodcracy's vid how do yall think about that

Vor 5 Tage
Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

@Nomadic Vision how do you feel about ellie from p1 to p2? I personally just have an issue with the way they took her subversion is fine but theyve set expectations. (What happened to joel is a different issue and i felt was the write choice, and made sense from a thematic writing standpoint) *am i using thematic correctly? Lol

Vor 5 Tage
Nayr TheViking
Nayr TheViking

Caught amidst the media firestorm as it was, and with all the negativity surrounding it, I was skeptical about this game. After hearing someone put so much thought into actually understanding it's message though, I have to play it. This is coming from someone who didn't even like the first game that much! So thanks. You both make fantastic content.

Vor 9 Tage
HyperFlex
HyperFlex

Last of us 2 will go down as one of the best games still this generation despite what u may say at the story but the game has made so much controversy and ambition and boldness That no game in the past 10-20 years has ever done so for me that is what makes this game mean so much to the gaming community as someone who has beaten in 3 times now I loved it but it’s a game that can easily be a mistaken story from it supposedly being Ellie revenge all the way but actually meaning that revenge is something that consumes us and how will u handle it and is it worth it Naughty Dog did something that we will never get again so for me I gotta give all the applaud and praise for that alone

Vor 9 Tage
Super Frost
Super Frost

Best Review ❤️🙏

Vor 9 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Lorioyama Emma-O Come on man, you are better than this. When you get older you will understand this game and everything will be better for you... You got our support... Take care...

Vor 6 Tage
Lorioyama Emma-O
Lorioyama Emma-O

for a lazy drifter like you, anything is "the best"

Vor 7 Tage
Ender
Ender

Bravo! Loved LOU1 and after playing LOU2 i must say that this is a true masterpiece. Emotionally difficult to play at times but the story, acting and graphics are just sensational.

Vor 9 Tage
Athena Amiga
Athena Amiga

Your review was very articulate and intelligently explained. HOWEVER this game was an utter disappointment. The reason most gamers are pissed is we waited 7 years to play as Joel and/or Ellie, only to play as some She hulk that nobody cares about. The problem wasn't Joel dying. It was how he died. He could have gone out in a badass way trying to save Ellie or something. Also, we should have played as Ellie the entire game since Joel died. Also the trailers made us to believe that Joel was part of the gameplay. So Naughty Dog deceived the fans, forced us to play as an unlikable character and added a cheap shot death. Yeah, that's why most fans LOATHE this piece of shit game.

Vor 9 Tage
Athena Amiga
Athena Amiga

@San Blindsnake True!

Vor 4 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Athena Amiga Only a monster would do something different. Or a person who has no idea what it is to be a father.

Vor 4 Tage
Athena Amiga
Athena Amiga

@San Blindsnake I totally get where you're coming from man! When I played the first game and they said Ellie would die I was like oh heck no! Lol! I was determined to help Joel save her and I'm happy he did!

Vor 5 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

@Athena Amiga Sorry... There was a little girl who was going to be killed. Any other information is just noise... And yes, I played the first game, that's why I had no doubt whatsoever what the right choice was...

Vor 5 Tage
Athena Amiga
Athena Amiga

@San Blindsnake Uh...you played TLOU right? Ellie was immune and there was a chance that her immunity could develop a cure. However because Joel grew to love her as a daughter he stopped that from happening. So it is conflicting because was Joel right to save her or save the human race? Is the human race even worth saving?

Vor 6 Tage
Ryan Howe
Ryan Howe

I can finally peacefully take a deep breath and confirm to myself "I'm not crazy"

Vor 9 Tage
Ryan Howe
Ryan Howe

Opinions are one thing, but to be a toxic ass about it towards anyone who disagrees with the other is just a shitty thing to do

Vor 6 Tage
San Blindsnake
San Blindsnake

As you can see by the reply above mine, these are the guys who hate the game. Morons without personality... I wouldn't give them too much credit...

Vor 6 Tage
Lorioyama Emma-O
Lorioyama Emma-O

No, you are not crazy, just a little pawn.

Vor 7 Tage
Nomadic Vision
Nomadic Vision

All throughout the game we were angry and exhausted, just like Ellie. It’s not until the very end where we stopped and reflect did we start to properly mourn Joel.

Vor 9 Tage
Sean Watson
Sean Watson

I was disappointed in the ending in a way, but probably not in the way most were. Yes, I feared Ellie would kill Abby as the climax drew near, but I'd recognized quite early the self-destructive nature of revenge they were pushing, so I thought they were aiming for forgiveness and possibly even resolution. When Ellie got off of the drowning Abby and let her live, I'd hoped they might be allowed to see each other's story the way we were, particularly how their lives were so similar. But even though Ellie ultimately didn't kill Abby, an act that would have changed her entirely into a character that wasn't the one we'd all fallen in love with, she still didn't appear to move on from her hate. Her house when she returned to it was completely colorless, dilapidated, and without happiness, the same as her life. It seemed an ended more in line with their originally planned ending, the one where she completed her revenge. It was a hell of a place to leave us. Regardless, I recognize and appreciate the genius of their writing.

Vor 9 Tage
Nicholas Benton
Nicholas Benton

Here's my take: The number of people who are experiencing a visceral reaction to The Last of Us 2 is somewhat telling, from a sociological standpoint. We live in a society that has VERY little capacity for empathy and the purpose it plays in a peaceful society. We want Ellie to be the cute, snarky little girl...but that ain't how life works. Always remember, you are the enemy in someone else's story. By the end of this one, Ellie is most certainly descended into a state where there is scarcely a hint of her soul left. Abby, on the other hand, had fought and clawed her way out. That's the moral of the story folks. Vengeance destroys...and if you put it above the chance to live a life...everyone you love pays for it.

Vor 9 Tage
Tarsyo Freitas
Tarsyo Freitas

It's normal cry with that video ?

Vor 9 Tage
J K
J K

Finished the game. The online hatred is very sad. This was an amazing experience. The amount of work that they must have put in to make this is staggering.

Vor 9 Tage

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