I’m glad people started calling out Twitch and YouTube for their b.s. instead of letting these companies disregard everything

Copy and pasted from a comment on Charlie's video smh

@Colten Gerloff it isn’t even the same comment as the one on Charlie’s. Sure, it’s similar, but not the same

Calling them out is nothing new. If you watched the video you would know that lud even mentioned how you can find posts from 2015 of people calling them out.

YouTube has been getting backlash from their creators everytime they mess up since the adpocolypse yet their is always comments like this. I don’t understand

There is no problem with adult content. The problem emerges, when everyday content and adult content get mixed. Twitch can make an adult section on their site for all I care, but it should not be mixed in between other streams.

it fucks up their ad revenue. For example, 4chan had to effectively split into 4chan & 4channel because advertisers didn't want to associate with the NSFW boards

@LasermanSteam there were advertisers associating with 4chan?

The second adult content is officially integrated into the site, every advertiser targeting 13-17 year olds, families, etc, would pull out, leaving Twitch with just 18+ ads (which do not pay well at all). They'd lose well over 95% of their ad revenue. You might think advertisers will just pull ads from streams categorized as 18+, but that's not how most advertisers work, the ENTIRE domain has to meet their standards, because they do not want to be associated to that kind of content in any way. There's also legal issues regarding adult sites as well, Twitch would be banned in some regions, and "regulated" in others. If a country will ban a video game for being too violent or sexual, you can bet your ass they'll ban a very popular adult website with the facade of a "normal brand friendly streaming site".

@ratedpending contrary to popular belief, 4chan has more than just /pol/ and /b/

Ludwig thank you for actually calling your friends out on their bullshit. If everyone did that, the world would be much better

I agree that if Jidion wanted to get back on Twitch, this isn't the way to do it, but he's said in many previous videos including his last one that he doesn't care about going back to Twitch and that he prefers streaming on Youtube, which is why he's just freely trolling them now.

He knows. Ludwigs just being Disengenous because he doesn’t like Jidion

@Ho Gui did u watch the video xD

@Ho Gui yea ok buddy

Exactly. I think Lud missed this part.

@Antoine Yes. He misrepresented and lied about Jidions video the whole way through. Ludwig completely lied and said Jidion is only making the video to get unbanned even though IN THE ORIGINAL VIDEO, Jidion states multiple times that he’s glad he got banned and that he doesn’t want to get back on the platform and is only making the video to help his friends who are still on twitch dealing with unfair treatment. Ludwig completely lied about the twitch con situation saying that the reason Jidion didn’t get unbanned is because he hasn’t changed and used the Twitch con incident as an example even though if Ludwig actually did his research he would know that Jidion knew WAY BEFORE the twitch con incident that he was NEVER gonna get unbanned because the devs told him that in a interview. So by the time the twitch con incident started it didn’t matter what he did to twitch because he was never gonna get unbanned anyway. This dude spent so much talking about shit that was just completely wrong then actually talking about the issue at hand. Dude literally only talked about the ACTUAL BAN for like 2 seconds instead he wasted time shitting on Jidion for wrong information. Idek why he even made this video if he knew he was gonna be Disingenuous and misrepresent it because he doesn’t like Jidion. Moist critical video was far better.

I find the whole comparison between harassing someone and having sex weird bc they don’t have any relation to each other. They’re both wrong in different ways and deserved a perma ban. I think this this whole thing should be broken down into 2 different issues, one is the issue of whether or not it’s ok to unban someone who has made amends with the person they harassed, and the other about how the lady had sex on stream yet was let off easy whereas other people who accidentally flashed a nude get a much harsher punishment.

Exactly, I think a lot of the people are caught up in trying to compare the two. As you mentioned, what makes a much better comparison is people who accidentally showed explicit material vs her blatant and _intentional_ violation of Twitch’s TOS.

breaking the same issue as if it were 2 separate issues, hypocricy much? your parents didnt tell you about hypocricy yet so you think this is fine?

His point wasn't about the content, but about sexism. He said female streamers get much lesser punishment for equally perma bannable behavior, regardless if the offense fits in a different category or not.

The issue is twitch is never consistent with their punishments across genders. The punishment for the men is always far more severe even if the crimes the same

U just said it yourself🤣 both should be perma banned so if he’s not let back on why should she ?😭

If Twitch posted banning guidelines, not just TOS, and actually followed those guidelines in a transparent way, no one would be able to say anything. JiDion probably deserved an indefinite ban, especially with how he handled himself in the fallout. But Twitch's dumb actions validate banned streamers, even when they deserve it.

I bet that every day Ludwig gets happier and happier with his decision to switch to YouTube.

I don't know about happy, he still has friends who depends on Twitch. I do feel he might feel relieved as he can view it as a third person and talk about it more

@Picasso's Cat yeye

Hey there playa, I’m 20, grinding hard to get out the hood, I can’t be 30 with nothing to show for so i smoke weed on my youtube channel ☝️

YouTube also has major problems too.

@Zardsire 201 quite obvious recently and twitch employees have degraded even further with the sus stuff on stream drama if u know u know

Glad to see Ludwig finally using his journalism degree

Bro I’m loving this Mogul Mail series it’s amazing keep going Lud you’re doing and outstanding job!!!

Man Ludwig you are doing great! It’s awesome being able to see you change and grow and just be a great guy through these years and through your videos. I remember one taking a video that didn’t have a chat was difficult but look at you now! Your doing great and changing lives for the better.

I think this is a tough situation. If you do something wrong on the platform that only affects your channel, a non permiban is fine. If you are purpusly affecting other streamers, you are negatively affecting other streams and potentially removing revenue. If someone came to your job and started messing up stuff and your boss payed you less, you would want the store to prevent them coming in. Permban is rough, and should be more like a year ban at max unless people make a mistake twice.

ludwig’s nuanced takes on his mogul mails always are a nice surprise. i appreciate that he can recognize the rights and wrongs of both sides

I candidly think this video is not that nuanced this time. He doesn't talk about the inconsistencies of twitch enough. He also assumes that Jidion's approach is to merely get back on twitch in a disingenuous manner, but doesn't even discuss Jidion's arguments in the video thoroughly. It's good that he tries to admonish jidion because it seems he's trying to not be biased; however, I would say that he is still seeing this in a narrow manner. Moistcritical's video was far better.

@Samurai Gorilla well said, I felt the same way but ludwig does have a point about Jidion being a "trouble maker" to an extent. However not talking about any of the points Jidion directly said was a bad idea. I expected to hear jidion's voice in this video but there was none

@Angelofo I think you phrased it perfectly. Ludwig is correct in saying that trying to criticize twitch- whilst also trying to sneak into twitch con- isn't exactly the best approach to being unbanned. Though I like Jidion, I can certainly accept that he does become disruptive. However as you said, jidion's voice wasn't even present. It just gives the picture that he's painting Jidion in a certain way and exaggerating his character, whilst not humanizing him and presenting his side.

@Samurai Gorilla Critikal ignored all the extra stuff jideon did and said he got banned for just "L+ratio" spam which was pretty damn reductive if you ask me. I definitely think Ludwig has the more all encompassing take here. The key takeaway though is that the big platforms are, and have been inconsistent for ages and something needs to change. Thats something we can all agree on

A mark of intelligence

Bad faith or not, the issues he's brought up are legitimate. Twitch needs to be consistent with its punishments, regardless of demographic.

There’s no hope in my eyes for anything to change anytime soon unless somehow everyone comes together to make a huge movement or figure out legal action. That’s the only way giant companies like YouTube and twitch will change.

Bigger corporations like twitch should not be able to act like this. Glad he made this video :)

I like Shake's take. "Maybe harrassing people is worse than having sex." Hell yeah it is!

Another solid video, Ludwig. I hope Jidion gets another shot at Twitch!

The thing with this is that Jidion is not trying to get unbanned. He doesn't care about that anymore, so him doing this in "bad faith" is not really true. Even better, he has nothing to lose and because of this he is the perfect fit to be the "anti-Twitch guy". We need someone like him to stand up and cause a lil'bit of chaos for the greater good and hopefully see change from Twitch soon...

Companies act like this until they are whistleblown or properly sued. So the best thing I could say is all these content creators should make a union and draft a CBA with whom ever they partner, otherwise as a ‘customer’ they will just tell you to deal with it.

This would 100 percent work.

@adinross should do this!!!

care to explain what twitch would be sued for?

Well can they even make a union since they are basically freelancers

@patchesthepirate55 bias against its users and unfair treatment I guess

Lud always has the most genuine takes

I personally don't care if it is disingenuous, as his situation has been resolved with pokemaine. The fact that the one twitch streamer threatens to shoot up the headquarters of twitch, can apologize and turn her perma ban into a suspension is absolutely bonkers. They sexual stuff that we have seen hit the main media never hit a month suspension is bonkers. I don't like what Gideon did, and I don't watch his content, but unless twitch starts to actually enforce it rules properly and transparently, he shouldn't have been banned.

ya this is pretty much how i feel about it. if you can forgive someone for threatening a mass shooting (which is an act of domestic terrorism btw) you can forgive a twitch chat raid

I feel this is extra disingenuous because he's essentially trying to piggyback/hijack the movement of someone who actually was wrongfully discriminated against to serve his own goals which his punishment for was arguably fair

If his argument was about being consistent, completely fair. I think he deserves to be banned off of twitch for sure. But his argument is to unban him since "Oh, she got a 7 day ban. I made up with the person I harassed and am still banned!". Im a JiDion fan. I love the guy, I love his energy, and i loved his twitch con video because it was almost meta in a sense of "Oh, i got banned off twitch and now am at twitch con with Poki!". But yeah. People are saying JiDion is "manipulating" his fanbase. But manipulating implies that he actually knows what hes doing. I'd say influencing is a better word. Manipulating insinuates he did it maliciously and with self awareness. I think he just saw this opportunity, is still mad about how he got banned off of twitch despite his reform and remorse, and is mad about how these people are being treated better than him.

@JimboDile I totally agree! Manipulative is too harsh of a word, it exasperates jidion I feel like he’s more influential than manipulative. And I don’t think he’s actually piggybacking off, if anything he’s included into that group of people who have been discriminated.

@JimboDile this girl said she was going to shoot up the twitch headquarters after the 7 day was changed to a perma ban, apologized, and it was changed from a perma to only a 22 day ban. Jidion apologizes as well (for things less heinous) and even becomes friends with poki yet that’s still not enough. He just wants answers now, he said in the video he doesn’t care about being unbanned at all, the twitch con vid showed that basically. Yea the Cory vid just happened as well, but that makes it the perfect time to spread awareness on this topic since everyone is already talking about it.

He doesn’t even want to be unbanned though

@Elias Lara The girl who made the threat actually got permabanned again like a day after getting the 22 day ban. People are spreading misinformation about that. This is her twitch /narcissawright . Look at it, she is perma banned.

every mogul money a dub!! love this side of your content with a lot of your opinions, even if I disagree with some, its clear you are well intended and genuine

glad to see his journalism degree is being put to good use

You should check out the gphustla situation, the dude with the world record for longest continuous stream. I found him when you shouted him out during your subathon and a few months ago he got banned with no explanation. They’ve been withholding his money, still charging subs, and refusing to help him at all. I think this could be another good mogul mail with everything that’s going on. He’s getting shafted bc he was only ever a double digit streamer.

ok Obnoxious.

Holy shit this definitely needs to be looked into liek holy

Commenting to push this up

Would be interesting to hear his take, commenting to boost

this is fucking wild tbh

2 things. 1. thanks for out Jideon for making his video in bad faith, it's not obvious to teenagers that he is being highly manipulative with how he presents the situation. 2. thank you for referencing how consistently terrible the twitch mod team has been for years. People don't remember, but the issue of favoritism has been a huge issue for so long. This week a women got banned for showing cleavage while playing a game while their are entire categories that allow women in bikinis. All the power to everyone who does these, but there are still people perma banned with no reasons given as well as dozens of women who have shown much less on stream and others who had seconds of a clip with a naked person in it. you have to remember, most people who work for twitch don't know anyone in the mod team. None of the mod team have any social media. there is no way for anyone to contact the mod team. now this info might be outdated, but I highly doubt it.

How is he being manipulative when in his own video he said he didn't care about getting unbanned, his suspension wasn't even the focus of the video. He was speaking mainly on behalf of other creators who are still subject to Twitch's favoritism.

Jidion only talked about how twitch plays favorite to most women

This is a horrible comment. Yeah, they allow it in some places, so go there? Using more words does not mean you're actually saying anything of substance.

@Lubooox hm yes just call everything that goes against your points manipulation 🥸🧐he isnt the type of person to do that. his videos werent in bad faith at all and imo that was the only bad thing ludwig said in this video.

@bruh h WTF EUGENE? wassup bro Im a big fan

This won't stop until a mass boycott is formed among big streamers, small streamers, and viewers. If we all organized to stop streaming and viewing streams for a few days it'd force their hand into creating standards for bans and suspensions. It's about the only thing we haven't tried. Maybe if that was successful youtube would take notice and implement similar standards.

Twitch needs to come out and state what type of actions can get you perma banned, and then they need to uphold that. Cause right now, it's almost like they have a random generator deciding on the amount to ban ppl.

He literally apologized and donated money to a charity a cause. To imply that he doesn't understand why he was banned is crazy

I'm glad you pointed out that he is still both banned and her only having a 7 day ban is inconsistent, but also seems to be going around what all he did to deserve an indefinite ban.

I agree, him getting perma was the good ending.

@Tadou I feel like he's gone on his redemption arc but it does make sense that twitch doesnt want him on their platform. I guess the lawful good ending would be everyone who breaks t and cs getting banned and the lawful evil ending would be no one getting banned

@Tadou No, it wasn't. It's not just inconsistent its disgusting. He has not done anything inherently wrong. And even then it should be forgiven. Pokimane said the n word, why isnt she banned?

@Tadou he has done nothing comparable to that of pokimane, she is not black however said the n word. With your logic, she should be banned. I agree he was a nuisance on twitter, however the issue was resolved. Pokimanes n word has been resolved. But she is not banned.

ok this has to be the best mogul mail I've seen so far, I've loved every one but these takes I just fully agreed with, twitch is constantly evolving and changing over time, and its up to them if they want to embrace that change or push away from it. They really need to try their best when it comes to adapting to the community, and truly listen to what creators are saying. There are so many issues that keep coming up when it comes to how social media is used, and I feel like all I can do is hope that things change for the better :(

Lud is so freaking great at explaining things.

He is missing details

Twitch has always been known to be inconsistent when it comes to delivering punishment. However, I think Jidion's ban was completely fair, as he continued to harass poki after he got punished. I'm glad poki and jidion have made peace since, and jidion does seem like a cool dude. I just think if he's trying to use this as an example to get unbanned or something, then it's not going to amount to that and twitch will not respond. I think he saw an opportunity to get the bag after seeing the video calling out youtube, and he took it. And I'm not going to blame a guy for doing that.

It's not about his ban being unfair. It's about the other bans being unfair. I do agree it is also fair but the point is that these other Twitch Streamers who are coincidentally all Women and getting banned for just a month or less for something worst.

I think it's more about him wanting to get back at twitch for being unfair, and I am all for trolling that company.

He definitely deserves an unban twitch is just being petty and trying to make an example

Hey Lud, just a heads up, Jidion stated at some point in his video that he doesn't care if he's unbanned at this point because he's sticking with youtube. He's more so talking about his friends like Kai and YRG being banned for silly reasons and Dr. Disrespect still not having the info regarding his ban released. He knows he's not going back so he went all out.

Wrong

@Абрам Bing 👎

Yeah I see what you mean, he states that in the video but its still important to address cause many of the tweets he and others make are suggesting he SHOULD be unbanned. It's fair Lud clarifies on that point

@jtruff20 I think the main point a lot of the creators in that community was making is that he should have been banned but not permanently. Of course a lot of fans would say to unban him now, but even he clearly states he doesn’t want to return to twitch. That was made clear after the twitchcon “invasion”🤣.

In a perfect world, he shouldn’t have to suck up to Twitch. He’s understandably upset because the treatment is unfair and there’s absolutely no way to fight back. The only way is to make a scene and get millions to see it

The only logical comment and no one responds they just wanna over complicate the situation it’s pretty simple. If she’s not perma banned and he is something’s wrong so either both are or let jidion back on

This is such an interesting issue and to see both of the big platforms having issues with equal community guidelines. It will be interesting how things change and end up months down the line. Great vid Lud

Agree. It also speaks to how these tech companies seem to always end up in legal trouble for discrimination. If they're treating creators unequally, you can only imagine this extends into their regular operations as well. How many times have we heard of the bro circles cutting each other slack at this point?

​@Seri proving discrimination would almost be impossible unless a twitch employee came out that they were ordered to discriminate. The inconsistencies that platforms have comes down to human error

@patchesthepirate55 You seem confused. I'm not saying they specifically set out with orders to discriminate. That's absurd. I'm saying there's a pattern of behavior that seems to occur in tech and gaming companies where some employees are cut slack for poor behavior and the companies face subsequent legal action for discrimination which they then settle. ABK, Riot, and Sony are just some of the recent examples. This behavior mirrors the same type of favoritism occurring with creators.

Months?? Probably decades until twitch changes

Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. God is three in one; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him. Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, for any reason; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.

I’m happy that the video Cory made actually influenced a lot of people especially JiDion.

i’m glad you’re pointing out what jidion did wrong as well, since a lot of people seem to be ignoring that he did anything wrong at all. I don’t really interact with his content since his fan base spouts a lot of misogynistic / homophobic stuff that I don’t really like, not sure if that’s any fault of his though. thanks for talking abt this

Not watching somebody's videos because they have obnoxious fans is weird. Not to mention I haven't seen a ton of examples of that being true about Jidion's channel, Everybody has irritating fans and the most obnoxious are usually the loudest. When you have 6 mil subs some of them are going to be degenerates

Didn't Know Bout Mogul Mail & Was Pleasantly Surprised Been Really Enjoying The Content Style Quick,Concise,Personal & Informative Hope Lud Keeps Posting On It In The Future 👍

The thing that sucks about all this YouTube/twitch stuff is that we can be upset about it all we want, but they don't have to change anything. Both can do really whatever they want, and what are we gonna do about it? Stop using YouTube and twitch? They basically have a monopoly over the whole video-sharing scheme.

Honestly it's just sad that there is no conflict that can be resolved absolutely perfectly and big corporations always have a lot of these conflicts as so collect a lot of controversy around them and it's just stays around them. Can't explain that feeling but it's just sad

Twitch has had so many flaws since the beginning and now people are finally starting to hold twitch accountable. It’s about time.

This happens every few years and nothing changes and nothing ever wil change. the only one being held accountable is jidion for his actions

When will people realize that we are such a microscopic speck on the timeline that spans from -13 billion to ♾. Hell, to be honest the universe probably loops back around in some kinda long ass Groundhog Day. Just get over the fact that your an insignificant piece of sand at the beach and live your life .😑

People have been talking about their inconsistent bans forever, this isn't new at all

It was nowhere near this bad back then for BOTH platforms; not to say there wasn't obviously SOME racism & sexism, but it wasn't at the level nowadays. It was only when they were bought out by Amazon for Twitch & Google for Youtube that both started that downward spiral around the flushing toilet bowl as giant piles of shit.

I think there are a couple problems comparing the bans because the content of the ban was different. While I do think a 7 day ban is ridiculous, hate raiding is an active problem that also bleeds into other creators. And like Ludwig said, how he acted after the ban was what made it into a permaban. I’m also concerned that now people will take “twitch is sexist to men” and use it against female creators/women in general. Just seems like a publicity thing that will end up hurting women even more

yep!! thanks for saying that. nudity/having sex on stream and harassment are not comparable.

But this is hurting men though. For years now twitch has openly favored female streamers over male streamers this has been going on for a long long time.

a 1 time hate raide offense is nothing compared to constant visible porn and terrorist threats TO THE COMPANY's HQ........

@Chris Marple Yes it is hurting men, but is it sexist towards men? No, it's sexist towards women. It's benevolent sexism towards women. In their eyes women must be protected so that twitch can make a profit off of women in the misogynistic "sex sells" manner. Sexism towards women hurts both men and women.

I'd have to agree, it could just boil down to Twitch not "liking" him, or more so them not having confidence in him to maintain "good behaviour". The key difference between his ban and the others, is that they aren't rallying their audience to protest their justified ban. It also doesn't help that the person he was targeting was one of the largest influencers on the platform, an influencer associated to large brands and sponsors. It's very possible it's not just Twitch that's keeping Jideon banned, but it's also large advertisers "blacklisting" him and threatening to pull out of Twitch if he remains on the platform. He's proving himself to be a brand risk, a liability. Big advertisers do not want to be associated with that kind of behavior, especially if it's plastered all over the internet for weeks. This is why I wish Jideon would just chill out, because Twitch is the least of his concerns. The longer he goes on, the more advertisers and large companies will notice and recognize him as a "bad apple", and will completely avoid associating with him for the indefinite future (a real life business ban).

this whole time i thought that girl who left her camera on during sex just forgot to turn off her stream, knowing that she was streaming WHILE having sex is incredibly disturbing

the thing about jidion is his whole character is to not take shit to heart or take shit seriously at all, thats why people love him. i can understand why even when he wants to get unbanned, it seems like he still doesn't give the slightest shit. but, it also shows twitch actually needs t up with moderation and how they handle bans.

Insane how Ludwig can live off of being a knock off drama alert (without the drama)

Keemstar is more based IMO. Ludwig is kinda a establishment type, a Susan foot massager.

I love the commentary Ludwig videos, it's good to hear his perspective on alot of issues because he seems to be more down to earth

He's a very well-thought guy. Very likeable

Fax 💯 He's logical aswell

Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. God is three in one; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him. Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, for any reason; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.

When you trust in God and cast your cares (worries, anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts) upon him, they will be NO MORE! Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals! The world is wicked, evil, and of the devil. I too, was a wicked sinner of the world before I opened my heart to God. I am living proof of God's work and fruitfulness! He is an active God who hears the prayers of his! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous. The devil is a liar that comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy; that includes your relationship with God.

Wrong. Ludwig is still confined by all the twitter / canceling bs since his CAREER is all online

the talk of the a new audience though creators like kai or jidion is very true. a new, more diverse scene of viewers as well as content creation has created this dilemma that twitch needs to address in a way to adapt with the community before the community has no choice but to leave it alone all together. it would be in the best interest of both platforms.

I don't think he's trying to get unbanned, he's just pointing out Twitch's corruption.

I think you could tell with the way Jidion came into your stream that one night and was trying his hardest to attack Twitch with everything that it really wasn't going to be in good faith. Had he just taken his ban, became friends with pokimane, and squashed the beef by stating what was wrong, I'd be fully on board with having him back on twitch even though I don't personally care but it seems to be a pattern with him to troll hard and I could also understand why Twitch wouldn't want him back. Though, sex on stream is insane. permaban seems like a reasonable punishment but 7 days? not even a month? It's kinda like what moist said which was that it's basically cosigning the behavior but I could also see that if it were to happen again that they wouldn't give her a second chance.

What I’ve learned from these past 2 videos is that Ludwig is a favorite wherever he goes

Lud is giving me Charlie vibes with the quick news related videos. Just ad friendly

Nobody can be as ad friendly as Charlie. He's the perfect family Youtuber

@Chihiro nice Knife Man profile pic

The only relation Lud has with Charlie is they're both talking in front of a camera, they share zero energy and thats good, they're different people.

@Migitri AYYY a fellow man with impeccable taste. Respect 🥂

Reporting in on all the drama without the headache that Keemstar brings. Love ya Lud

Jideon is the type of person that just reacts to every situatiation in a very unproductive mannor and he has a victim complex

Umm excuse me its not Jideon😡😡

Jideon

yeah you're a poki fan alright

​@EN worse, he is far left feminist doormat 💀

What seems even crazier about this to me is these risque content creators are committing an even greater sin than breaking TOS; promoting twitch alternatives and competitors. Twitch may absolutely not see shit like Chaturbate as a competitor because they're in different niches, but in the end both are streaming service and if your goal is to attract viewers on one and pull them to another, im surprised they aren't honestly going scorched earth.

ngl, really glad lud is using that journalism major how he wants to. keep winning G

I got the same feeling for Twitch and YouTube. I hate them but can’t live without them 😝

I'm glad that jacksepticeye also made a video about YouTube being Unfair/racist It shows other people what Cory really means. #love4cory

Classic Tate no

Classic Tate what part 2?

@SeTUP01 dawg you just got sacked by a bot 💀

@Falcon 1 lol he really did💀

@SeTUP01 Just report as spam and move along, its all just a ruse to get you to click some link on their youtube page in the end.

i think a lot of people forgot the context of when he got banned as well - hate raids were probably at their height at the time, and people were flaming twitch for never doing anything. and everything you said, i agree.

In my opinion, a lot of this current conversation glosses over about how fucked up it is to send a 'hate raid' to someone. Especially when everybody who has ever been on the internet should know how stuff like this can and will escalate. Shorter bans should be warnings for some minor accident, like your example with the media share incident, or overstepping rules that you didn't exactly know about. Obviously 'accidentally' breaking TOS with adult content probably involves very little good faith from the offender aswell and I agree that someone having sex on stream should get them permanently banned as there is no universe where that person does not realize that they are stepping just slightly outside TOS, but harassing someone else on the platform with zero remorse and then arguing his mistake was not as bad because he sorted things out with the victim afterwards does warrant a permanent ban for me. That guy knew what he was doing and did it anyways.

imo if the person and person have 0 bad blood and made up then it should be resolved, granted obviously you cant do it again then i think its worth a perma but he made a video of him understanding why thats wrong and i believe it, i dont watch the guy. not even subbed on yt but i do understand that people make mistakes and that if they understand those mistakes and learn then i think undoing the perma would be optimal

the thing is he only told his chat to spam L+ratio and his viewers took it too far, jidion was a hella new streamer and didnt know that his viewers would start dming her viewers. after the ban he GENUINELY felt bad and apologized to her in private and they made up in person and are still friends to this day, yet instead of an unban they extended his 14 day ban to a perma. meanwhile somebody who actually threatens to shoot up the twitch HQ gets their ban reduced??

@Herdle go outside

While I agree with you wholeheartedly, both were permaban offenses and the girl only got banned for 7 days whereas Jidion DID get a permaban. This shows clear favoritism of some form, whether it's sexism or racism or anything of the like. They should both be permabanned in my opinion. The point of this whole argument was not whether or not they deserved permabans, but whether or not Twitch expressed some sort of favoritism.

There may be sexism going on in twitch but this jidion comparison to that girl is foolish. I dont remember the girl trolling twitch events and staff members after the ban. Imagine someone gets suspended temporarily from some sort of company and next day they break in wreaking havoc. Ofcourse their suspension will be turned permanent, why would company want to ever work with them again

Honestly I dont feel like "streaming is a new platform" is much of an excuse when it comes to this. Pretty much all big video and streaming platforms have been bad at ban durations. Youtube has a history of mindless banning of people without much explanation and twitch has always been this way - my biggest problem is that they never seem to address it as an issue. Twitch seems to just roll dice when it comes to "timeouts" after bad behaviour and has not showed, in any way, that they are trying to be more consistent. at all. And theres also just no excuse for being such bad communicators. That creators have a contact seems almost only symbolical, because half the time the contact is also kept out of the loop.

I think most of the Twitch staff, who are responsible for moderation, see the communities surrounding certain content creators and depending on how toxic said communities and their respective content creators are the moderators are more strict towards the channel/s responsible for said communities, and that I am all for. I would rather Twitch break their own rules to keep toxic creators and the people said creators attract to Twitch off the platform, rather than just 'let them fly;' the race and gender of these people are irrelevant, it's the kind of people they are and the people they attract to Twitch as a whole that is a problem for Twitch. It technically would fall under favoritism, but I don't believe the favoritism is always unjustified or without good reason, at least not all the time.

Your saying coomers are less toxic than JIDION's fans?

@No time for creative names just for games certainly

@No time for creative names just for games yes, obviously. Go outside some more. Let me put it in terms you can understand - Simps are less toxic than L bros, incels, hate raiding Twitch chatters - this is obvious. Coomers coom. JIDION fans brigade and harass women the moment their favorite online person WHO THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW tells them to. Any NORMAL HUMAN BEING should be able to understand this.

@No time for creative names just for games "Coomers" aren't that defined of a demographic group my guy. You're thinking about this too hard. The point is, Jidion's fans behave the way they do because of the way Jidion himself behaves. "Coomers" aren't a community you can even do anything about. These things are not comparable.

can't believe Ludwig, Mogul Mail and Jidion edited this video! very good collab

spitting facts twitch need to get their act together

and so does Youtube.

Now we need to go to the other social media, Twitter. Umm it’s already bad.

@Jeff idk youtube is cruising

Propaganda everywhere Lmao

@fire banner 64 Youtube and twitch are both being crusaded upon in the same week, tf you mean they're crusing, their problems are also much worse and have lasted way longer.

In a perfect world Twitch has consistent punishments for breaches in Terms of Service AND Jidion owns up to the fact that some of his pranks can go a little far and lead to bad situations. Edit: no need to tell me what Jidion has done and what he’s apologized for. I genuinely enjoy his channel and understand he doesn’t want beef with anyone, I’m just saying that showing up at twitch con and getting banned (although he did nothing wrong other than make people uncomfortable) isn’t a good look if you’re trying to get back on twitch. And if he’s not trying to get back on twitch then maybe he should have made the “twitch is sexist” video BEFORE going and trolling them at twitch con. I’m just saying if he wants to run an outrageous pranks channel then he should understand that can have negative consequences.

jidion already does that...

why would he have to own up for his pranks? He apologized and made amends with Poki, the reason he was banned, not cause of his YT pranks. He only went to twitch con cause he threw in the towel essentially and doesn’t care about being unbanned anymore. The video is meant to hold them accountable and answer, not a plea for why he should be unbanned.

I’ve not watched jidion much, but I do remember him claiming he can go a little too far sometimes so he does own up to it

@Elias Lara Nahhhh Jidion says he doesn't care about twitch anymore and yet he's still asking them to unban him. Clearly the bro wants to get back on Twitch again

@Javit Wu he’s not asking to be unbanned, he wants them to change the way they enforce their policy and is calling them out publicly on it.

Twitch is the perfect example of consistent inconsistency.

Honestly Jideon should never be unbanned, sends a message for hate raids are not allowed and I'm more than happy with that.

L + Ratio Go cry now

@Kore ironic

It's hard to take proud trolls who make a living being trolls and upsetting other people serious when they cry they are being mistreated

FUcking love this guy, and of course he was inspired by one of the goats woodysgamertag on this channel. IMO this channel has been one of ludwig's best moves. Always phenomenally genuine content. GAS THIS MAN

This is typically how Jidion does things, stir some drama and tries to maintain the idea that he’s in the right

Honestly he is *partly* in the right, it is undeniable that twitch (idk if it’s twitch as a whole or the people in charge of bans) is and was engaging in blatant favoritism

How is he not in the right at this point, he really hasnt done anything to disrupt twitches business, the security let him into twitch con, he didn’t break in through a window, the call was clearly a joke, he was wearing a mustache for no reason

Yeah, he is a clown and nothing else.

How is he not in the right? He’s just stating the obvious 🤡

@CubeGamer07 dude what are you on about. Literally he is adding fuel to the fire fucking with twitch with the charity call and sneaking into twitch con and making a video out of it. No shit, they aren't going to trust/unban him after that. Instead if he laid low, actually showed that he changed and would not fuck with Twitch he could've been unbanned already. Ludwig said it perfectly, "he's trying to have his cake and eat it too"

Although I do think twitch has a huge favouritism problem , I also think what Jidion has been doing ( sneaking into twitch con , etc etc ) is making his situation worse . He prolly thought it would be over if he made up with poki but , in that situation there wasn't only poki and him . There is twitch as well . So my speculation is maybe twitch thought of giving him 1-2 month/s ban but him joking around made it worse .

Yeah. I can agree their bans aren't consistent and every platform needs to be more transparent about ban processes and more consistent in general. But Jidion's ban made sense. I think he deserves a chance to be unbanned, but at the same time, you shouldn't just be unbanned because you said sorry. Like, he hate raided one of their biggest streamers and then took that off stream and made her life awful for a good time after that. You gotta show over some ammount of time that you've actually changed :shrug: Idk.

I think the thing that really makes people mad is that JiDion is probably one of the most respected creators despite all the controversy. And the thing is is that he did apologize and truly is sorry for what he did, but Twitch has a grudge because he’s clowning on there website which doesn’t seem fair whatsoever, unless that was the cause of the initial ban

In the video, he's made it clear he doesn't want to be unbanned from twitch.

It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong when his intentions are clearly just to start up a drama and milk it for views 💀

What a time for everything to fall apart.

It's always been like this. I'd say now it's the opposite of falling apart when content creators and communities can speak up and criticize huge corporations and it actually make a change.

Corona panic ended, extroverts watch videos less and the fortress of comfort is showing cracks.

I do think there’s something to be said for the perspective of like… streaming porn isn’t targeting/harming someone, whereas if you’re harassing or targeting a user/creator that maybe deserves a stronger punishment. But if that’s twitch’s stance they need to just… say so, lol. I feel like if they want to make bans for some behavior more severe that’d be ok (I’m sure some people would be unhappy with it, but that’s always gonna be the case) if they like, give people the info. If they’re transparent. But I have no idea if that’s what they’re going for bc they aren’t transparent about it

He’s not trying to get unbanned. He’s trying to point out their fallacies and wants them to address their mistakes. That’s why he’s ok with the trolling twitch.

Good work on these kinds of videos, usually people doing videos like this are biased and etc. .

What would happen if YouTube and twitch accepted the accusations? They're both private companies and they're so big that people wont move on to other platforms.

harassment is worse than showing porn on stream.

Love the content here! Also, It seems as if Twitch is trying to grow up with its original community rather than appeal to new audiences in reference to the ending idea

To a certain degree it makes sense because people have more money the older they are. However I think this is a generational issue. The partner managers of Twitch streamers are probably not that much older than the streamers themselves. How are they supposed to understand any of the internet culture of todays teens? Maybe it's just me that's out of touch but I think they really need to hire new and younger managers to keep up with this (and honestly the same can be said for a lot of other groups that have their own culture)

I agree Twitch and Youtube need to straighten themselves up. But also Jidion still created a HATE RAID on a creator and made her so hurt she had to end stream. Wether he resolved the issue or not he still had the intention of hate raiding someone he didn't know. He deserve the perma ban but also the lady doing it live should also have a perma ban.

Well how is he supposed to change then if he doesn’t have the opportunity. Also there is no doubt twitch plays favorites so u would think that if someone like xqc did what jidion did they wouldn’t get banned permanently

While it's clear that Jidon is using his Twitch ban for personal gain it doesn't matter. Twitch dug their own grave with their constant biased moderation that is inconsistent at best. Bad management will always destroy a company.

Geez man. All these companies are just destroying themselves. Especially Twitch, YouTube, and Roblox right now.

Its always an education 🤣 thanks Lud

I’m glad Lud made about video about this, watched Charlie video about this the other day and he acted like Jodion did no wrong.

always much love lud ty for the entertainment consistently

Surprising take. I get where Lud is coming from. Sure, bans and Twitch are inconsistent and frustrating, but I hope everyone can understand the difference between showing a private part as apposed to maliciously hate raiding someone else to tear them down for little to no reason. Yeah, both go against the ToS but it's like someone breaking the law by going 30 miles per hour over the speed limit and another person purposely crashing their car into someone else since that other person's car is...I don't know, purple. You'd probably be a lot more comfortable letting the person who broke the speed limit back on the road rather than the person ramming their car into other vehicles. Sure, maybe the people who were in the wreck settled things but not a lot of good faith to go off of if someone was so quick to do something so harmful. Maybe they won't do the exact same thing again but could very well do something similar. Especially like Lud said, they have been pretty disingenuous since the whole fallout of the situation. Again no real good faith to go off of.

That’s the opposite of what he said, he did say how it shouldn’t be minimized what jideon did, but it is inconsistent and at another point called the other band more heinous

I agree. Having sex on stream is against Twitch TOS, but I'd argue that spreading hate and attacking another streamer+community totally unprompted is far more harmful, for the example it sends to the viewers. The death threat girl maybe also shouldn't have been unbanned, but I guess hers were only words spoken by herself on one occasion, not an entire community weaponised and sent out to spread hate.

tbh I think both can be reasonably perma banned, Jidion was maliciously hate raiding with bad intentions (correct me if I'm wrong) and still doing it after he learned that what he did was wrong still goes on this whole rant, the girl was also irresponsible to bang knowing that she was live, even if she thought no one would notice its still irresponsible, although I'm not gonna decide which is worse cause frankly getting into an argument with a stranger about little inconsistencies is pointless, I do want to point out that Jidion did have a choice to do this rationally and think about his consequences or throw a tantrum. But again I still do think that both were in the wrong

Eh I think they are fairly comparable situations. Actually the sex on twitch is worse imo

Finally a Mogul mail where Ludwig has some gusto and conviction.

Every one of them should be banned. A straightforward hard approach would be great. People should be held accountable for their actions on the platform. I understand Jideons point of comparing the smaller bans to what he did and can also agree, that what he has done is mild compared to the rest. But I still despise how creators try to gain traction with harassing others. So at the end i have no problem with him also being perma banned. It should be an example to others, that this kind of behaviour shouldn't be replicated. I am no fan of prank content or the whole incel content

Twitch and YouTube needs to fix there issues, these are actually peoples lively hoods and jobs that they put a lot of work into and a lot of times it works against the smaller creators and sometimes bigger ones occasionally but the smaller ones are really getting messed up from the corporations not doing enough to help the people that keep the service alive and only help the bigger creators especially with twitch, and YouTubes copyright just completely messes up with smaller creators more than it does with bigger ones and it scares off a lot of smaller creators

Twitch not lifting his ban could also be due to what all he did AFTER he got banned, which is what Ludwig says. He did so much shit after the ban which anchored Twitch's decision to keep him banned.

It’s incredible to see a former monopoly that had control of the entire industry like Twitch completely fall apart because of mismanagement

*https://youtu.be/mCfYi7634rU* Finally it's here after so long

Even though they did at some point hold the monopy it was obviously gonna fall apart because even back in 2017 A LOT of streamers would get mad at Twitch for doing some dumb shit and Twitch would never learn and they still didn't learn what they are supposed to do in certain situations, there is sexism and favoritism and it's painfully obvious, for Youtube there's still sparks of doubt about favoritism and racism but for Twitch it's literally as clear as day. Twitch was gonna fall and it was obvious.

I'm not sure twitch ever truly had a monopoly, they were just the most popular for a specific kind of content.

Jidion complaining about Twitch being sexist towards him after getting banned for being sexist to Poki is very ironic and funny

It is ironic but he's also right.

Yeah, he is probably the worst messenger you could get for this message.

LOL TRUE

I completely agree that twitch is bigoted and plays favorites, of course that woman who had sex live should've gotten banned much longer if not permanently. BUT I also feel like Jidion kinda also deserves to be still be banned. He didn't just hate raid someone, he also continuously harassed them afterward then harassed the company in charge of unbanning him. All the while being sexist. The way he acted on twitter wasn't okay and I feel like everyone is acting like it was.

Agreed. We can't allow misogyny to be acceptable because its common. Apologies after weeks of hate speech are usually worthless, and no change has happened in the offender other than they didn't enjoy the consequences of their hateful actions

@Carrie Ullrich A few weeks of it? I'm pretty sure that is not the case

"Even if the person is acting in bad faith, I still think it's worth it to side with that person" HAHAHAHAHAHA PLEASE DON'T TELL ME YOU'RE SERIOUS

I think at this point he doesn't care about being banned, it is more that he got a life time ban while these other streamers got a slap on the wrist for an "equal" crime.

Dude, idek how I never subscribed till now. Anyways, love your chats, your realness, and your mic stickers :)