Trope Talk: Mentors

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    Mentors! Those reliable bastions of fiction, always ready to guide and support their protagonist proteges as they navigate the tumultuous world of fiction. Until they die. Bummer.
    Got a favorite mentor? Talk about how cool they are in the comments!
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Jarrod Uland
Jarrod Uland

Chiron, the mentor of pretty much every greek hero: How about... NO

Vor 2 Stunden
Scott Rutter
Scott Rutter

No Iroh? Seriously?

Vor 4 Tage
Ms. Aizawa Shouka
Ms. Aizawa Shouka

aizawa is the mean one, he's mean to everyone but eri, but he cares

Vor 6 Tage
Tyrant-Den
Tyrant-Den

My favorite way to get rid of a mentor: "I got a me shit to do in Murkwood."

Vor 6 Tage
Tyrant-Den
Tyrant-Den

Qrow: "I have been willingly training you since before the show started and am somehow still a reluctant mentor. But hey: that's just my... Luck."

Vor 6 Tage
eve
eve

gojo satoru immediately comes to mind as a trickster mentor.....

Vor 7 Tage
Isaac Boone
Isaac Boone

"...that sweet, sweet AANGST!"

Vor 7 Tage
Literally a Spider
Literally a Spider

I agree, death is just a social construct

Vor 7 Tage
Bone
Bone

technoblade.

Vor 7 Tage
Renato Corvaro
Renato Corvaro

Mentors in fiction are why I never teach anyone anything.

Vor 8 Tage
Pedro Ferros
Pedro Ferros

Sirius black...

Vor 9 Tage
Katherine Henshaw
Katherine Henshaw

I love these trope talks, they're fun and have been a little educational for me in identifying tropes I didn't even realize I was using😂

Vor 9 Tage
Geitegud
Geitegud

I'm a evil mentor mom I live life on the edge

Vor 9 Tage
Mecha'thun and the Cult of Deathrattles
Mecha'thun and the Cult of Deathrattles

6:08 *cries in All Might*

Vor 9 Tage
Nawar B.
Nawar B.

The mentor in my WIP is revealed to be a greedy coward whose advice is just bad. He also betrays the main characters the second the villain starts kinda winning and gives him an incentive

Vor 10 Tage
Erwin Wee
Erwin Wee

My heart seeing viren is exploding. Dragon prince is criminally underrated.

Vor 11 Tage
Keiro Ty
Keiro Ty

What do you mean watch out

Vor 11 Tage
omori
omori

*sweats in technoblade*

Vor 11 Tage
Mikael M
Mikael M

Mentors always die All Might: "No, I don't think I will."

Vor 13 Tage
Dakota Martinez
Dakota Martinez

I guess it was a good thing that in a fanfiction of mine, the heroine is sort of a mentor who lives, and protects.

Vor 13 Tage
Raen Kord
Raen Kord

Every time I see Red drawn I can’t help but notice her massive forearms, like holy fuck the drawn version is built like a Greek statue

Vor 13 Tage
Dylan Vickers
Dylan Vickers

I’m sorry, I’ve seen this movie about a hundred times....is Miles dad literally named Jefferson Davis? Like the president of the confederacy? Also, Jefferson and Aaron, I guess the writers had been bumping Hamilton.

Vor 14 Tage
Dylan Vickers
Dylan Vickers

So, one question Red. Is their an identification for Mentor-Plot relationships where the scope of the challenges are there at the limits of the mentor’s abilities while they are weighed down by the trainee protagonist who will slowly rise to be a functional partner. I’m specifically thinking of Halt from The Ranger’s Apprentice. He seems to just be doing his best while dragging Will along. Another example I can think of is Kakashi in Naruto. He is often facing the same problem as Naruto and the gang and kind of grows with them. Sure, Kakashi also has a more traditional mentor role many times, like the Chunin exams where he can basically only observe. But immediately after that until all the way through Shippuden he is basically doing his best with a plot that is genuinely at the limits of his abilities.

Vor 14 Tage
Fedoramaster
Fedoramaster

Wait a second. The dad from into the spiderverse is named Jefferson Davis? Like the confederate president? How did no one see this? How was tumblr okay with this?

Vor 14 Tage
William Koch
William Koch

You know, at this point, I'm starting to feel like killing off a mentor is just lazy writing. If you want your hero to get that emotional gut punch, there are more creative ways to do it, and, equally, there are more creative ways for the mentor to not be very helpful with the actual plot. Granted, plenty of subversions have become common enough that they're very nearly equally unimaginative, and I always hate the lazy writing excuse, because no matter how often something has been used, there's always *some* way to write a new tale on it... I hate when I find myself using an argument I strictly dislike being used by others, it makes me feel like such a hypocrite, and it's usually when I'm arguing a point I don't believe in, though that's not the case this time, so fewer negative points this time I guess! This comment ended in a very different place than it started... This might be rooted in my deep and abiding loathing for drama and angst for their own sake...

Vor 15 Tage
Adam Pearson
Adam Pearson

The book personification of mentors dying is the I am number 4 book series

Vor 16 Tage
A internet person
A internet person

*Lancers don't die* Fate fans: Pretty sure they always die

Vor 17 Tage
Mr Roo ooo
Mr Roo ooo

technoblade watching this with ranboo in the other room ;--;

Vor 18 Tage
Pow Egger
Pow Egger

Kenichi mentors sorry can interfere it’s part of your training kid

Vor 26 Tage
Twi Watches Vocaloid Stuff
Twi Watches Vocaloid Stuff

Writer: Omae wa mou shindeiru Mentor: Nani‽ Mentor: **gets shot** Writer: ohhh no... I didn't want this.... I totally don't delight in causing angst in both the audience and the mc..

Vor 27 Tage
Millegan11
Millegan11

Firefly reference!

Vor 29 Tage
Illien Galene
Illien Galene

... isn't Batman a mentor to Robin, Batgirl and all the extended Bat Family and kinda the teen titans? (Is Batman too badass to die?)

Vor Monat
Katzuma
Katzuma

I know a show that combines every single mentor type in each mentor in the show. it’s called “Kenichi, history’s strongest disciple” (besides the evil mentor type)

Vor Monat
Miguel Munarriz
Miguel Munarriz

7:52 did you just...un-kill Lancer? But, wait, that's illegal

Vor Monat
Jo Jo_SP
Jo Jo_SP

"being a mentor or a parent is the worst job in fiction" Elizabeth Joestar who Spoiler alert Was the mentor and Mother of her son who was the main protagonist Joseph Joestar: Pathetic!

Vor Monat
The Mindful Moron
The Mindful Moron

Honestly, I think stories that are brave enough to kill the mentor's student instead are more interesting anyway.

Vor Monat
Weston
Weston

Had this tabbed and when you started talking about scary mentors I immediately thought of Izumi Curtis, low and behold you're using footage of her :3

Vor Monat
xxaugustasxx
xxaugustasxx

Surprise: Uncle dies. Wait... this is spider-man

Vor Monat
Kyle Willis
Kyle Willis

Has there ever been a story where the new inexperienced hero dies causing the old grizzled mentor to take up arms once again. For example, if Frodo died a few days into the journey, maybe with the Nazgul, and Aragorn had to take the ring instead.

Vor Monat
Elliot Musgrove
Elliot Musgrove

thinking of writing a book and i want the mentor to be young but powerful and also in on the journey. my plan is to sorta make him recon or hes teach everything you know but after that i have my own stuff to do. maybe he is the protaginist for the first book but after that he has to stand by

Vor Monat
Emory Briddell
Emory Briddell

And then there’s gojo

Vor Monat
Trevon Zarmas
Trevon Zarmas

Wise: Iroh/ Paku (remember sometimes cheeky) Scary: Toph Reluctant: Jong Jong (probably spelled differently) Tricksy: Boomy Evil: Blood Bending Lady (Innkeeper) Avatar has got it all

Vor Monat
Djed Vartanes
Djed Vartanes

GRRM be like: Oh, you think you can predict who lives and who dies by how much potential a character still has? Sweet summer child.

Vor Monat
TreeHairedGingerAle
TreeHairedGingerAle

Jesus Christ, Into the Spiderverse is a freaking AMAZING story o.o;;;;

Vor Monat
Dirk Loid
Dirk Loid

I have to mation that lacers most of the time defenetli die It hurts But it’s tru

Vor Monat
David Thomson
David Thomson

I freaking love Into the Spiderverse

Vor Monat
daedalus
daedalus

“Turns out death is a social construct” *belches out laughter very loudly*

Vor Monat
RedBlitzenwood
RedBlitzenwood

Go Ranger's Apprentice for being one of the only stories whos mentor doesn't die!

Vor Monat
DangerOne
DangerOne

Ah shit Red, now I gotta go watch spiderverse again!

Vor Monat
kapsi
kapsi

In Dragon Ball Goku's teachers immediately go from strong to weak and then hang around uselessly.

Vor Monat
Logan Showalter
Logan Showalter

Red: Classic mentors die a lot Master Wu: Well, yes, but actually no

Vor Monat
Valerie Vivian
Valerie Vivian

I wrote a mentor who I have to kill off because she's such a badass, forceful personality, she just dominates the entire story even off-screen, even an ocean away. If I keep her on the page any longer, that's just the end of the character development for everyone else.

Vor Monat
Chris Book
Chris Book

One of the mentor deaths that I remember hitting me the hardest was Jaraiya in Naruto. The episodes that follow and the episode where Naruto learns of his death are rough, before the redemption when Naruto learns sage mode and beats Pain are all so good.

Vor Monat
indra le fulgurant
indra le fulgurant

A good example of evil mentor is naare of lego star wars, she spend a year with the protagonist, Rowan, she train him, teach him good lessons, but at the end of the day , she will still kill him in a heartbeat. It's make me sad than after season 1 she never see Rowan again, I would had love to see her redeem.

Vor Monat
BTallin TaM
BTallin TaM

Street tough biker mom who is also a security guard at a government facility is the mentor.

Vor Monat
Timo Marschall
Timo Marschall

The Face Within - Mercedes Lackey Kris: The Weaponsmaster has no heart; his hide is iron cold His soul within that hide is steel or so I've been told-- His only care is for your skill, his only love, his own And where another has a heart, he has a marble stone Dirk: That's what the common wisdom holds, but common is not true For there is often truth behind what's in the common view And so it is the Herald's task, that hidden truth to win To see behind the face without and find the face within Kris: He goads his students into rage, he drives them into pain He mocks them and does not care that tears may fall like rain He works them when they're weary, and rebukes them when they fail Cuts them to ribbons with his tongue as they stand meek and pale Dirk: But will our enemies be fair nor come on us behind? And will they stay their tongues or in their words a weapon find? Or wait till we are rested before making their attacks? Or will they rather beat us down and then go for our backs? Kris: But he has no compassion, does not care for man nor beast And when a student's gone he does not notice in the least And no one calls this man their love, and no one calls him friend And none can judge him by his face or what he may intend Dirk: But I have seen him speak the word that brings hope from despair Or drop the one word compliment that makes a student care And I have seen his sorrow when he hears the Death Bell cry His soul-deep agony of doubt that nothing can deny Both Kris and Dirk: For on his shoulders rests the job of fitting us for war With nothing to give him a clue of what to train us for And if he fails it is not he that pays, but you and I, And so he dies a little when he hears the Death Bell cry And now you know the face within him hid by the face without The pain that he must harbor, all the guilt and all the doubt The Weaponsmaster has a heart so grant his stony mask For you and I aren't strong enough to bear that kind of task

Vor Monat
Harrison Russell
Harrison Russell

gandalf: was i a good mentor death: yes now get back out there

Vor 2 Monate
DFC/ Double fudge cookiees
DFC/ Double fudge cookiees

Well I think that there is a sixth answer to why the mentor cannot be the hero. If the mentor solved all the problems, who will teach anybody when they die? If they teach the hero to go out and be a hero, then that hero can teach others to become hero’s. I think this is the best for a world building form because that makes the world seem like a place that will have consiquences after the story and not just a world that ends along side the story

Vor 2 Monate
Caal Taes
Caal Taes

I love that Master Roshi dies after Goku out grew him, making more of a gut punch specially after Krillin died for the first time and Shen Long was destroyed.

Vor 2 Monate
Pastapockets
Pastapockets

So what happens when OSP stops mentoring and releasing videos?

Vor 2 Monate
Jordan Hansen
Jordan Hansen

Divergent reverses this by killing its hero while leaving the mentor alive

Vor 2 Monate
Skeleton bird animations
Skeleton bird animations

The best kind of mentor is someone you didn't realize was a mentor. The mistborn books hurt me ok

Vor 2 Monate
E.J Swanson
E.J Swanson

Had to stop watching when you brought up the trickster and had to watch that bad lip syncing video with Yoda and about seagulls.

Vor 2 Monate
the opmster
the opmster

mom deadliest job in fiction lol

Vor 2 Monate
Geoffrey T Baker
Geoffrey T Baker

I think my favourite mentor character is Sword Master from Afro Samurai. Sure, mentors train their pupils to fight and if necessary, kill. But how many do so knowing that they're the ones their pupil's gotta come after?

Vor 2 Monate
KyleRayner12
KyleRayner12

Idea for a story: a young, idealistic hero meets a reluctant mentor unwilling to leave retirement who doesn't care about the noble cause because "nothing changes anyway." The hero and mentor bond, the hero tells the mentor about their quest, the mentor slowly becomes invested, touched by the hero's innocence and determination, and comes in when all hope seems lost to fight for the hero... And the hero dies. Surprise! The mentor, reeling from the death of the person helping them to believe again and guilty about their failure to save the hero, feels obligated to take up the quest, becoming a Murtagh/Col. John Matrix hybrid protagonist.

Vor 2 Monate
Tokyo Sakura Dolls
Tokyo Sakura Dolls

Red: *mentions scary badass mentor* The MHA fandom: GET YOUR SLEEPING BAGS AND SCARVES EVERYBODY

Vor 2 Monate
DiaKorrus 18
DiaKorrus 18

7:38 rose quartz being beaten like a dead horse as the easy to blame person

Vor 2 Monate
Theo the Derg
Theo the Derg

Ways to not kill the mentor: >Mentor goes on to use their skills to help on the side or in other ways in the big battle or overall. >Mentor is just a Cool Guy and Hero enjoys their company so even after the plot they still wanna go back and hang out with them. >Mentor is one of the Hero Posse and is just coincidentally more experienced; they're part of the main gang and there's juicier people to kill off. >Hero becomes the mentor to Mentor in the end- not just in a "you taught me how to love again" way but they actually come back with knowledge and experience Mentor didn't have. >Hero and Mentor team up to train the Sequel Gang. >Mentor was explicitly dead the whole time anyway. >Specifically, Mentor is also Lancer. >Mentor is grooming them as a love interest in varying levels of creepy. >Hero is older than Mentor. >Hero is actually a fakeout and Mentor becomes the real protagonist. >Mentor is the actual chosen one and Hero is just their attempts at pawning off their responsibilities. >Mentor is literally just doing their job. Like, they're teaching you. For money. Because they do that. They teach people. For money.

Vor 2 Monate
jogl died
jogl died

I personally think the best thing to do with a mentor is to change him to something like an equal

Vor 2 Monate
jogl died
jogl died

For the reason why the mentor doesn't do anything sometimes there just at a different place or fighting something else

Vor 2 Monate
jogl died
jogl died

One thing with great mentors is rangers apprentice witches more like a scary one but wants them as a student

Vor 2 Monate
Richard Tufts
Richard Tufts

>666k views Fukken cursed lol

Vor 2 Monate
Samuel
Samuel

I think it would pretty neat if the mentor figure learns that they are going to die by some means, prophecy, foreshadowing, or some depressing revelation of some kind and goes full villain ballistic trying to prevent that from happening. How the mentor is ultimately killed off can be changed but I like this idea that the mentor reacts to knowing they are being killed by breaking down instead of taking it calmly as a normal sage-like mentor would.

Vor 2 Monate
Sondrex76
Sondrex76

ehem. THE DRAAAGON PRIIIINCE. Thank you for your attention.

Vor 2 Monate
Kauã S. Santos
Kauã S. Santos

*Me after watching the video:* You can't die if you are the main heroine!

Vor 2 Monate
Lily Copenhaver
Lily Copenhaver

One of my OCs is looking for some sort of Mc guffin but in order to they must become incredibly skilled in many areas so they go to a great teacher who’s your typical I don’t teach anyone mentor, they grow attached then they died, and my OC keeps looking for mentors but they become close but the mentor always dies for the stupidest reasons.

Vor 2 Monate
Pikazilla640
Pikazilla640

I think a much more interesting take on a mentor is a sort of half mentor half partner like in part 7 of jojos and gyro, gyro in a lot of ways is simultaneously johnny’s mentor but also partner and bro, not every mentor needs to be the most powerful or knowledgeable in the room they just need ENOUGH knowledge to get a hero started, gyro teaches johnny about the spin and gives johnny an entry point in the story with the steel ball run race while not being so overwhelming powerful and knowledgeable that he trivializes the plot, after the beginning johnny and gyro learn together

Vor 2 Monate
Fire Brand 72
Fire Brand 72

I had an idea of a villain who hears of his future destroyer, and then he goes out of his way to make sure he and his loved ones are protected.

Vor 2 Monate
MMCKRAZY2
MMCKRAZY2

WHERE👏IS👏UNCLE👏IROH?👏

Vor 2 Monate
Len Bell
Len Bell

Terry Pratchett: so how about if Death was a mentor figure audience: oh, so like the death of the mentor figure is a lesson or something? T.P: No. Death IS the mentor figure audience: So... does he die? Honestly, the grim reaper arc of Discworld seems to be all-new colors of hilarious after this video.

Vor 2 Monate
Kingofthe weebs_
Kingofthe weebs_

Akame ga kill Well no just no everyone dies

Vor 2 Monate
NVWednesday
NVWednesday

I am so terrified for my favorite mentor character, All Might... I will not be able to handle it if he dies, and from the instant I knew him, I knew he's going to die. Still, I hope that BNHA will be more willing to part with this formula than it has been with other shonen formulas...

Vor 2 Monate
Walking Armageddon
Walking Armageddon

When she said return as a ghost of themselves, I immediately thought of ghost Vitruvius.

Vor 2 Monate
GeneralBacon 74
GeneralBacon 74

Iroh and Kakashi are my favorite mentors

Vor 2 Monate
Patricia Lock
Patricia Lock

All I took from this: So if a character with lots pf potential died and stayed dead, it’d be fun and unusual? A good tragedy with potential commentary? Ooh!

Vor 2 Monate
Brayden Tobin
Brayden Tobin

Of course there’s also the mentor who just refuses to die... ever. I’m looking at you Kyoko Kirigiri.

Vor 2 Monate
Anomisk
Anomisk

The amount of comments about different mentors from all sorts of fandoms down here is just hilarious🤣

Vor 2 Monate
Sam Williams
Sam Williams

Then there’s just Dumbledore who fits every category and can be seen as either totally mental and callous or honestly one of the nicest people ever. What a character.

Vor 3 Monate
sudanema mimikiki
sudanema mimikiki

into spiderverse.wasnt the whole "figure it out yourself/be yourself" thing repeated several times by the other spider people as well? i mean i think peter b even summed up the whole how to be a hero thing as "just a leap of fate"

Vor 3 Monate
jiminfested
jiminfested

I just realized that it was still spiderman's uncle dies trope

Vor 3 Monate
Matthew LeTexier
Matthew LeTexier

Every time I watch this video, I end up rewatching spuderverse

Vor 3 Monate
qwerty qwerty
qwerty qwerty

8:14 I see what you did there

Vor 3 Monate
Darth Pasta
Darth Pasta

A mentor video without Iroh. Heresy

Vor 3 Monate
Mortarna
Mortarna

Hmm just had an idea. A student/mentor story where the student dies halfway into the story and the reluctant mentor now becomes the protagonist. Just to flip it a bit

Vor 3 Monate
Ryouga Mizuchi
Ryouga Mizuchi

what about mentor characters who are there...... because he needs a job like in that akashic bastard teacher anime?

Vor 3 Monate
Kam
Kam

I want a story with a trope-savvy immortal being becoming a mentor in hopes of finally dying.

Vor 3 Monate
Anna_ in_Aotearoa
Anna_ in_Aotearoa

Yes please! 😁 And then further subvert it by their still being alive at end of story! (So many options there re whether they'd be pissed off, resigned, reconciled to it...)

Vor 2 Monate
seth bethune
seth bethune

There is the rare nebulous mentor in which the mentor doesn’t fix the issue because it serves as a in universe lesson for the protag

Vor 3 Monate
Iluvlittenanimations2.0
Iluvlittenanimations2.0

There’s a reason I have this line in the graphic novel I’m working on (well besides the fact that it’s perfect for the character) “I’m the mentor, that means that my job is to say something about destiny, give y’all fancy swords, throw y’all vaguely in the direction of the villain, then die tragically. Luckily for you three, I’m an old spirit woman stuck in this labyrinth and none of you use swords, so I’m just going to keep you guys from killing yourselves then kick you out of this labyrinth, got it?”

Vor 3 Monate
Gormathius Nightstrider
Gormathius Nightstrider

"A dead character can't grow, can't develop, can't have interesting dynamics with other characters" As a necromancy enthusiast I strongly disagree with this sentiment.

Vor 3 Monate
Anna_ in_Aotearoa
Anna_ in_Aotearoa

Grin. Although seriously, somebody should do a count of mentors who "die" but still keep interacting through resurrection, plot holes, dreams, visions, you name it... Just because you "died" doesn't mean your Plot Armour doesn't still work! 🙄

Vor 2 Monate

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