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Fair enough

Fair enough

OMEGALUL

Fair enough

You were right about the peaking...

Toast tweeted after this all went down and said “the country vs country format turned out spicer than expected, so next time ill be adjusting by having people squad up based on their religions instead” lmao

Add a bit of RP to that and I’d be down to watch that lol

@GNOIX 1 same xD

Crus-raids? instead of Crusades? I’ll show myself out

Spanish Inquisition let's goooooo

that would be amazing content

Any streamers that during a twitch event literally send their chat to harass the opposing streamers, should just be blacklisted from all twitch organized events for a couple of months. It's been happening with so many events recently, it's just not okay and Twitch needs to implement a way to make sure that streamers stop doing it.

Wait...they don't have rules implemented against such thing? Madness. Twitch is even more degenerated than I thought.

Most of the time, the streamers don't send the viewers. The viewers do it on their own accord. The problem is the streamer not stopping it. When a streamer doesn't stop it and say it's not okay, that is a green light for the immature viewers to go harass people.

Who did that ?

@Wendifur even if streamers tell viewers not to, viewers still hop.

@brygs767 Way, way less do. Streamers have a fuckton of influence over their viewers. If fucking XQC can create an icon that covers half of r/place using his viewers then normal streamers can control their audience into not going out of their way to harass people. Not to mention, the people that go and harass others who mess with their own streamer are obviously among the more dedicated crowd, and the streamer is therefore especially influential to them.

I feel like the real silver lining in all this is how supportive everyone is of the smaller Spanish streamers who were not throwing tantrums. Hopefully, events like this can still happen in the future with more good-natured participants.

Yeah, hopefully people like them can be the representatives of out community in the future, as a spanish speaking person, i feel dissapointed in how the leaders of the spain team handled the whole situation

A lot of big name streamers need to be replaced in all languages. Englich speakers, german, spanish, french, etc. Same time. Maybe twitch should actually control an event

To be fair, "No raiding till the last couple hours", and , "no weapons besides pistols until tier 2 is unlocked", are the only rules you should really need in this type of Rust competition. Anything else would be micromanaging. The Spanish squad got cute with the twig exploit and then got sour after that didn't work out the way they wanted. Their time zone excuse is also weird considering 48 hours is still 48 hours in any time zone. NA just wanted it more, the hours they put in showed that.

only all the spanish streamer are from spain time zone isn't really an excuse cause spanish speakers are in nearly all timezone in the world from most of south america, mexico, phillipines, so on. Not knowing this event am don't know if the spanish team was all from spain or not.

Oh yeah I was wondering about this Timezone thing. I didn't watch the event but I'm curious because there are spanish streamers that are complaining about Timezone. Can't they play in their prime hours like NA can?

@Dog Poggers No, that means half your team is never around because it's never total prime time, someone is always a zombie at that point, Spanish team got quite doomer from the first couple of hours due to the timezone stuff and the revolvers fiasco. So many just dropped in the first hours.

Imo, this entire thing seems abysmally planned, like actually could not have been planned any worse. They probably should have set times for when the server is active that work for both regions, and input stricter punishments for exploiting the rules of the competition. I have very little knowledge of this situation, but from my pov it seems like the english ruined this competition.

@Wes C It didn't need better planning it just needed more mature participants. The english community never broke a single rule but the spanish community did. If the Spanish streamers hadn't started crying because their twig walls crumbled from stray bullets (obviously) NA probably never would've even tried to find a loophole to get into their bases. The spanish literally came out the gate crying as usual. The spanish would've found a way to ruin the event no matter what, look how they acted during /r/place when France demolished them.

As a Spanish viewer, I just wanted to remind everyone that we aren't all like the people that were at the center of the drama. I didn't watch the event or anything, but I'm guessing a lot of the smaller streamers also weren't pleased with their teammates. It sucks that they're bringing a bad name to the whole community.

the leaders were a big part of it.. but it was mostly the toxic viewers coming over with the complete racism and nonsense that never happened. Toast's stream after the event had a ban appeal segment and it was actually terrible and other streamers on the na side got death threats

Understood man. I imagine it’d be something like judging English viewers by the antics of xQc’s chat. Just keep enjoying the content you enjoy. Twitch is a wonderfully diverse place, but that can come with downsides too.

@Lackland and I thought rp chat hoppers were bad but now chat hoppers in general are just not it.

I get that lumping in all Spanish people together is a no no but even alluding to the poor sportsmanship shown by the Spanish streamers playing in the event gets you called a racist for whatever reason. Oh well.

It would be like Jake Paul representing America

This channel is so nice, just feels like a cozy 1 person podcast where we can talk about streaming events without much bias. I enjoy seeing Ludwig having this freedom to have real talks with us

🤮bares

Me too, but where do you get your profile pic? Looks faintly familiar

Who would’ve thought streamers would act like children. That’s never happened

Xqc being a legit man child

@Migit op was being sarcastic, I believe

@Lazy Ro so that would mean migits comment would line up with OPs

@Lazy Ro I am giving the comment 3rd person

Man, watching this unfold as a Spaniard really sucks. I hope our manchild streamers apologize for making a fool out of our entire community, although it probably won't ever happen :c

Alguien puede resumirme que pasó y quien se supone que fue el streamer español que nos puso en evidencia? No me digas que fue el cuñao de Alexelcapo porfavor..

Grow up as if Spanish streamers didnt say anything bad lol...

They think stupid national pride is based and allows childish behaviour, they indulge on it. Tho I see people like that daily, since I live in a spanish country, it's still pretty baffling.

FAKE

I actually like when Lud does streamer “drama” videos because his takes are pretty fair, he just recaps what happened and gives his two cents

He’s the best for this since he lives in America but he’s part Spanish.

@Tolandruth no? race shouldn't tell you how good they are for something

@DuckyMcLucky wow seems sarcasm just doesn’t work on you.

@DuckyMcLucky it seems this thing called humour is lost on Internet kids nowadays.

Tbf, it seems hard to sense humour in that comment

If you want the communities to mingle, split both teams and put one half on either side. Let the English and Spanish streamers struggle to communicate and over the course of 48 hours either learn some of the language or develop ways to communicate and develop bonds with Spanish communities. Not only funny, but you don't have nationalist faction warfare, and some of the complaints of events during sleeping hours don't hold merit because half of the team is in the correct time zone.

I mean, countries can compete and have fun. The olympics has been going on for generations in (what is supposed to be) good faith. It's all for fun. Some people take it too seriously, and those people should be banned.

As a spaniard that has lived in in the us it is incredibly disappointing that this didn’t bring the communities together. I would like to emphasize to please not generalize all Spanish speaking people as childish and immature, like in all communities, there are bad apples and unfortunately, this time they spoke the loudest. I’m sad to see these people represented our community so poorly, hopefully in the future there will be better people and we can have better more meaningful interactions. Keep up the awsome content lud!

just remind English people that xqc exist. lol

@Schmietwechdeschiet Dude i saw this comment in this comment section that is really accurate i goes like this: "Xqc doesn't even speak english, he speaks in tongues" pretty accurate imo

Honestly spain is in a pretty shitty place right now so it's not surprising to see it. Economic and political problems always show up in the social landscape and vice versa.

the only reason that they spoke the loudest was because the mayority didnt know how to play the game, so when a pr0 rust player tells you hey, they are breaking rules by doing this using that, then you get the attention of the people and they start following whatever you say...

Late to the party, but it was quite the experience watching Surefour on the first and second days. He was a guy brought in, who knew barely anything about Rust and was just there to be a mercenary and have good aim. 1. Spain raided the NA base first, cleared the thing out and they had nothing. They also stole their Scrappy (Helicopter) after they crashed their own. Meanwhile, the spanish had more people who knew how to rush to get better weapons faster and farmed better (Which, legit, was good tactics) So while S4 and others were barely using crossbows and bows, they were raiding the NA base with pistols, shotguns and crossbows. The ONLY reason NA even got those weapons as early as they did, was good playing by the NA team to kill a raid group and TAKE those weapons from them. With THOSE stolen weapons, they went after NPC's in the underground trains and such and got better weapons. That was the only reason they got ahead, by using the Spanish teams own weapons against them. Then, when the NA team went in and tried to 'raid' the Spanish base (Somewhat in retaliation for them being raided very early on) Coco got in, didn't destroy anything and ended up a little stuck. The Spanish team cornered him and went to get Admin. Admin told him to drop all his loot and leave, which he did, but he shot one piece of the twig structure trying to get out and not walk right into the enemy team waiting for him. After this, the WHOLE Spanish team quit the server for about half an hour to 45 minutes, threatening to leave the game and complaining to Admin. (Even though Coco dropped everything, including what he came in with). Admin came back, made the Twigs invincible and made the '15 area' rule that couldn't be attacked (Which as you said, the Spanish completely ignored.) After a bit, the NA team stole the Scrappy (Which again, the Spanish team did to them really early on, crippling the team for a long while) and they again went crying to the Admin, as if it wasn't something totally legal in the rules and as if it wasn't something they had already done. Most of the NA team just took everything in stride with what actually happened in-game, mostly saying they were whiners. When the Spanish team got racist and childish in chat, the NA team certainly got childish and dumb too, but as for the in-game stuff? NA was pretty much taking everything in stride. Really sad how this played out.

you know shit's getting cringe when hjune and toast were disappointed about it, I mean they're the most patient and level headed players out there lmao

Yeah, like near the end they were getting annoyed of the 2 Spanish streamers.

@350 oven who were the Spanish streamers?

Yeah, I don't really watch HJune alot, but he seems pretty chill and nice guy

they're probably mad because hjune popped out his main character skill in the last raid lmao

Its just a shame that this event went down so badly, because the fact that the teams were formed based on nationality/language makes it so much worse. It's not a bad idea, but it just leaves two extremely disconnected communities with a massive bad experience with what equates to an entire culture. And the fact that they rarely interact means this bad experience won't be overcome easily. It's just a a waste of a potentially great event.

Should of been eu vs na

well.. NA team had korean canadian chinesse australia etc, variaty of people man xd like idk

i understand the conecpt as to why they did it like this, because in NA most streamers know each other... like maybe only 3 or 4 people didnt know who they were, but like 90% of the people from NA played with each other at one point, this is why i was so hyped because i wanted to see how they would work together as a group to try and win the competition...

It’s a bit hard to follow this drama without knowing it as it unfolds. Even watching this video it wasn’t clear what exactly went wrong, other than clearly a lot of people got extremely emotional and angry..

sounds like ppl who stream games for a living got mad that they couldn't play exactly how they wanted so they quit but we'll see as time goes on

the real issue is as every comment will mention rust is just impossible in its current state to regulate any system of rules. once you get enough people into ANYTHING especially with vague rules it gets bad fast. 1 person will purposely break rules a few will accidentally break rules. once this inevitably happens the other side will retaliate which of course causes more retaliation. now combine this with streamers who can be a bit dramatic (i mean thats how content works) so everything gets blown up faster. each community having little to no overlap stars quickly making it US vs THEM. being an english designed event all this minor drama and banter makes the spanish side feel slighted so again it escalates. the problem comes though that both sides fucked up but then they argue who fucked up first or who fucked up more. neither of which solve the problem. rather than the players trying to have a good event or have fun they were trying to win and once drama of any kind started even very small its going to escalate without better moderation. idk how you could do it in rust but they really do need more enforceable rules and moderation to keep it feeling fair so both sides dont feel slighted. this wont stop any talking based banter and i do feel some in game and out of game comments went to far. TLDR the event didnt get set up in a way that was ever going to work and the players cared more about winning and getting even than having a fun event. though its hard to try and have fun if you feel the other side is slighting you.

@Zalied I think if a rust server starts, it has to have weekly wipes and no rules

@TrashSmash I think this events rules coulda been fine if there was a bit clearer o. The specifics of the rules and any sort of moderation or enforcement. Once a rule was broken there really wasn't any oversight or punishment so the side rhat the got slighted felt the other side got away free. I think it's really just a case of enforcement allowing it to escalate and each side feeling the enforcement was against them

6:25 - Thanks for speaking to this, Ludwig. As a former admin of a community server, it was always a challenge to enforce the rules we did select given how few tools are available within the game proper. If Rust is going to have more of a future in esports it'll be crucial to develop tools and systems in order to productively manage.

It's crazy to see the amount of people dismissing all the issues saying it's all due to planning or the admins. This was planned and agreed on by both teams in both languages with representatives from twitch NA, twitch spain, and rust admins who were from other countries not involved (toast explains this to his response to Alexby's tweets). Also how were the admins supposed to predict and plan for half of the event to threaten a walkout on the first day then proceed to call it quits 3 additional times. The admins did what they could to keep it from falling apart and when it still did they tried to pivot. NA and a few of the spanish streamers who wanted to play still were going to do a civil war type fight to have something for the planned broadcast after spain forfeited then alexby, ricoy and others came back saying that they'll do a last for fun battle but they also quit that so the entire final broadcast got cancelled

They were consistently changing and making up rules at every moment, everytime that something happened for one team or the other... They didnt setup a propper foundation ( ruling ) for the event to go smooth and then invited probably the most egocentric content creators there are in the most unfriendly game there is. They started malding and in the end ESLA team withdrew. Besides that they should ban anybody who didnt try to control harrasment or fueled any kind of slurs and racism.

@Sinestessia they definitely caved in too much but can't blame them with how much power a team held when they were able to organize a collective log off on the first day. I don't think toast nor the TR and Rust admin team expected ego to manifest that way cause they definitely valued content higher as seen when they even let the Spanish captain come back in after forfeiting cause they thought they were down to make content for the main broadcast but they ditched that too. Contracts will probably be much stricter for all rivals after this. Unfortunately, it's not up to TR to punish and I doubt main twitch HQ will ban their bigger SP streamers in Alex and ricoy

As someone in the hispanic community, it is such a shame this happened. I think something that played a big role in this is the leaders, they made such a selfish decision by themselves that I am sure other hispanic streamers were not in tune with. Sad, sad.

if xqc is representing us as "english speaking" we're fucked cuz that goblin speaks in tongues not english

So true 😂😂

This gave me a good laugh thanks so much 😭😭

Bruh 🤣

HAHA! Thanks for the laugh. Still would have been fun to see him in a non-toxic argument with the Spanish-speaking side.

Omg😭😭😭

I want to clarify something. Being a Spanish speaker, I consider that several of the top streamers in Spain are not the brightest. Even in the Spanish community itself there are conflicts and friction relatively often. Alexby11 particularly seems to me to be someone who cannot be a representative of anything or anyone since he seems to me to be childish to say the least. At least in my experience over the years.

I mean no matter what nationality you are, for some reason there is always a handful of top streamers that have a few screws loose...

@Steven H. true that. true that.

First language streamers always seem the worst. Not all of them but of those that are just toxic asshats the most prevalent group streams in their first language. "Foreign" english speakers for example tend to be a lot more mellow.

So Alexby is the xqc of Spain? The moniker would fit since frankly he's like q toddler when it comes to any problem solving.

As a native speaker living in a Spanish speaking country—the sad reality is that this is the sad, ignorant culture we live in. A lot of people will shout and scream slurs like it's a Monday because whenever you try to educate people on racism and prejudice, they mock you. At least where I live, we haven't walked past all of these harmful comments, stereotypes and internalized racism. Some countries and states are definitely more conservative… the only countries/states in which it isn't *so* bad are, ironically, the ones that are close to the border with the US and/or the ones who are heavily tied to it. It's a sad reality, it isn't excused but the ableist and racist comments legitimately do not surprise me. It's something that's very normalized in our culture.

Almost like being tied European and American territory and government gives you a socioeconomic advantage compared to territories left to dust by by British colonialisms.

@Mank Demes It's not totally tied to the economic condition of a country, the US were just as bad with this kind of language during the 2000's, but it is harder to educate people when poverty is a rampant issue in the place you grow up, I can agree on that with you. But money doesn't mean you automatically stop with the internalized bigotry.

@Mank Demes source: "trust me bro"

While the drama was really upsetting, if the Spanish team never left it would've been secretly a good tactic. Drama pulls in viewers like MAD but man does it suck it had to happen to this event in particular. This really wasn't an event that needed any drama in the first place. Extremely unfortunate on and for both sides. But honestly this only sets a precedent for how to handle future events better, there is always a silver lining :D

1. Forgot to mention that the first 2 hours, the Spanish team raided the NA island during the grace period and stole their things 2. Spanish team said the NA team broke the rules by using pistols when it's not allowed. There's been 0 clips of it. 3. Helicopter was legally stolen. Parked poorly in their base before the "no going into 15x15 zone" was estabalished. NA team agreed to return it because Spainish team kept crying.

He couldve added so much more to it, but the point was still made. They were suposed to be primitive locked witch means that revolver and double barrel shotgun was allowed, however the ruling was vage. Team NA found a Python wich is tier 2 and had to ask the admins, they told them they could use it but not for pvp, so they modified the ruling mid event ( wich wasnt notified to ESLA team untill much later, there are clips of this ) . However it didnt matter as they lost it to NPC a little bit later. They also were using inciendiary shells at serveral places like oil rig that prevented ESLA team to fight them; wich is tier 2. So yes, the ruling was poorly made and led to several confrontations and yes NA did break many rules aswell. And as i said in another comment they should ban whoever didnt try to control harrasment and fueled any kind of slurs and racism.

i commented this same thing, don't forget the spanish team crying that NA had too many people online when Spanish team was sleeping. (wa wa wa, bedtime unfair)

Wrong

1. Spanish didn't raid the NA island. Door was open and one player stole the loot. Didn't break anything of force anything. 2. Idk. 3. They didn't return the helicopter because it was stolen. Get your info right. They give the helicopter because the spanish steam managed to steal the material used to build weapons from the NA base without violating the rules and the admins said to return the material and they will give them the helicopter.

This thing reminded me of the alterac valley walk out by alliance in WOW because they "weren't winning". Now the map is very difficult for horde to overcome. It was a great video and hopefully another event like this will happen with smaller spanish speaking streamers instead of win-hungry streamers who are not comfortable with loss.

Hopefully this teaches them a lesson so that any future events dont go like this. Must suck to put this much money and energy to set up an event only to end up like this.

especially when alot of it could be avoided by taking the time to make/get a custom plugin to "enforce" certain rules. such as no structure damage in a specified area.

but as a company your expecting the people you "hire" to act to not act like babies

Agreed I hope toast learns from his mistakes for whatever event he plans next

It won't, as an Spanish living in NYC, they live off this type of content and drama, because they like to pisses people off, thats how most of the Spanish people are, their humor is also kinda dark and racist, i experienced it firsthand in school. For reference, look at the whole r/place thing which involved the Spanish streamers

There should be a One Life One Hour w/ streamers. Everyone should be reborn if they die of old age, and the game should end when a proper village is built, or if everyone dies off. It would be really fun watching everyone trying to survive together. I think there could be a LOT of wholesome experiences there.

Hate to see a community event go down in flames, especially this one since it had so much potential to bring the communities together. Sad to see that some of the few Spanish streamers were quite toxic

I've been involved in both communities my whole life, I'm from Costa Rica and what happened in this event is a fucking shame… I grew up watching most of the streamers in this event (both Spanish and English streamers) and I'm so disappointed that what could have been a nice opportunity to unite these two communities went down like this. Alexby, even though is one of the OGs from the Spanish community since early YouTube, behaved like a child, but this isn't new tbh (no disrespect lol). Of course there is an obvious cultural difference, for example the use of the "r word" which was not a big deal in LATAM until recently or in Spain apparently (unless you actually use it to attack a person with a disability 💀), but to joke with the "n word" is incredible disrespectful considering how offensive that is. Or telling women to "stay in the kitchen" is so immature and sexist no matter where you are from. Also, I'm a little bias because most of the streamers (if not all of them) that are in this drama are from SPAIN not LATAM, so its a little frustrating that their actions are putting this horrible image for all the Spanish-speaking community. Note: I'm basing my opinions in this video, I didn't watch the whole live event, but I think Ludwig always do a very good job summarizing what went down.

What killed the event for me was a few of the spanish streamers blatantly cheating. between night vision filters to stream sniping and who knows what else client side it's just piss poor behavior for an organized event.

BROO THIS IS WHY XQC MUST ALWAYS BE THE VILLAIN. He enjoys doing it and most streamers understand the way he is. He's a goblin, an asshole and extremely entertaining. He also understands his viewership's dynamic. On previous Rust servers and other competitions, nothing happens when all the streamers came at him and he just moves on. On the final hours, someone in the discord said, "We should've just had a regular 40v40 and wait for xqc to do some rat shit and be the villain and we move on with our lives"

hJune is so level headed and rarely speaks out on stuff, the fact he was speaking out on this during his stream speaks volumes

Even theLegend27 has his limits.

Bro Hjune is the calmest person I’ve ever watched

hJune is the type of person to always just let things slide and move on without commenting on it. He's usually super patient and calm when things go wrong. So you know there's something wrong when he lost his mind by the end of the event.

@PinkSakura -Now that I think about sleep deprivation was probably also a factor. How large of a factor? No idea I don’t watch the guy.- Edit: Nvm thought he was the guy at 10:20 lol

@PinkSakura You have to be when you play rust for a living

Its really sad to be involved in both communities and watching how both sides are sure the other one is in the wrong and really pissed at each other when cool interactions finally were happening between communities and new content opportunities could have happened

I don’t watch Spanish streamers but from what I can tell they were the cause of all the pointless drama

@PotTheThird Yeah I didn't give my stance since I didn't watch the event at all yet although from what I've heard Spanish community didn't have a great attitude on the event, but no matter what happens or who is actually in the wrong it's a bummer to see this happen

Man that’s just sad. Interactions are hard, but this could’ve been a really fun and great time and instead it became a drama bath. Well, there’s something we can learn from this and that might bring Better luck next time.

Spanish streamers ignored the rules, then had the rules changed in their favor, broke those rules, and still lost. It was unfair for the smaller streamers who weren’t acting like kids but got screwed.

I watched the whole event and I can say without a doubt that some of the Spanish team was the root of all the problems. They made themselves look really bad and I can’t believe they still have a following at all after that tbh

The only problem here is a bunch of Just Chatting streamers pretending to play video games and getting upset that people were actually playing the video games rofl.

@Tricx lol goblin

Shout this channel out more, Lud. This content is cool and if not for blind algorithm never would have known.

Talking about a “war brewing” in the streaming world is like being worried about toddlers fighting using ballistic missiles

internet drama is most of the time trash vs garbage ngl

People acting like ww3 is gonna be on twitch

Twitch and twitter are almost the same nowadays

Nah, it’s like toddlers fighting with pillows, no body cares lol

FACTS though

It's so weird knowing both languages and communities and hearing such different stories from each side, knowing how both communities work and think about this kind of events. I would agree with the fact that Spanish streamers tend to not take things as seriously as NA streamers since most Spanish streamers do seem streaming as a job so they spend the same amount of hours in a stream as you would in a normal job but I do have to say that from what I have seen from the statement from other Spanish streamers I really can't make up my mind with what really happened but all I can say is that it is disappointing to see such a nice opportunity for both of this communities to participate in something together and see it end like this.

I mean a lot of the biggest offenders literally have out of context clips from the other side and deleted their own vods. It's pretty easy to see the bad-faith arguments

Not take things as seriously because they treat is a job and don't spend 10+ hours streaming? 🧐 Yeah, I don't think that's the energy we need.

Don't take things as seriously but see streaming as a job??? Those are kind of contradictory statements. If you see it as a genuine profession you generally show professionalism, if that is how Spaniards treat their jobs it is no wonder their economy is in shambles.

@D U because their job isn’t an office job where they are expected to behave a certain way. The Hispanic community likes humor, chaos and drama, which is why the biggest Hispanic streamers might not be top players at any game but still have big numbers cause of their humor because that’s what this community likes, which I do understand might seem immature and unprofessional from an outside point of view, but it’s what works for them in the Hispanic community specifically which does encourage this behavior, but I do believe that this event wasn’t the place to behave such way but it’s their normal

most of NA team knew the game or at least how to play it, and they have alot of rust pros playing the game, that can tell by the sound of the shot what kind of gun is.... most of the spanish players were new to rust, and having only like 3 people who actually played the game, well whatever they said it was at the eyes of the team true... so they kept making shit up... and instead of leading the team to success, they crushed everyones mind set and sunk any posibility they could ever had to win the tournament, like if i was playing on the tournament, i know that i've been invited to this even a long time ago, so at least ima learn the basics of the game, second, i have people from both LATAM and Spain, we can legit give a fight on both time zones just to keep it if not in our favor at least competitive... but after the few drama it was over... alot of people quit, ALOT

I think I'm seeing this a bit late, but I still wanted to give my opinnion on this. I am mexican, therefore I often see spanish streamers aswell as NA ones. But I'm really embarrased of how this turned out. The spanish streamers had so many deplorable actions, their efforts were a fucking joke and they started acting like assholes really early. It's infuriating because I started watching the event because it sounded fun and I was excited to see both regions play together. And they transformed this interesting thing into an unjoyable hellscape. Even if the NA were cheating (Something I don't really think happened), the racist shit was just embarrasing. Really disappointed in them.

I think it was a case of miscommunication and immaturity that blew things out of proportion and I recall at least a previous case of problems with rules in totally unrelated twitch events that mightve poisoned the well on the spanish side from the beggining. I sure hope future events can merge both communities in a better way cause that should be tons of fun. Really liked the video. Un saludo

I don't feel great that this happened. It's quite annoying that the people that "represent" the spanish streaming community acted like this. What if someone like me, that doesn't have any real followers wanted to actually interact with the English comunity and make friends? I'm scared of being hated because of something like this. I'm not from Spain(Not sure if all streamers were from Spain or there were any from Latino America), I'm from Costa Rica, but I feel like this attitude will also have a negative impact in anyone that speaks spanish. I just wish that this is solved peacefully.

Only idiots will take the actions of one person, and assume everyone within their group follows in their footsteps.

@IAmDylann I guess so, but, I don't know... I just want for people to treat eachother with respect, kindness and such. I believe it's not hard. So I just hope for the best really, thanks for your response.

You don’t feel great? lol

blahblahblah1312 I guess that's true, but I have my reasons, and either way I'm still here, so I do know that I have to learn to deal with it and accept that it will happen. That doesn't mean that I can't be scared.

As a hispanic (from south america, but I still watch spanish streamers) I feel bad for having people like Alexby and Ricoy representing us because it just makes it look like it is accepted to be racist or sexist and it is not. Hope people can see that the spanish community is better.

Besides feeling bad for the NA streamers who put in so many hours for a finale showdown; I also felt bad for the kind smaller Spanish streamers who had funny and nice interactions with the NA team. Nothing personal either, but the leaders on the Spanish team made a selfish decision and ended up ruining a rare opportunity for some of the other Spanish streamers who just wanted to have fun or grow their community. By being a larger streamer with a large and avid community, it leaves little room for the smaller streamers to disagree because there is always a fear of their own Spanish community rejecting them for looking like they aren't siding with their own country.

I am scared myself. Not sure if all streamers were from Spain or there were also from Latino America, but from here, I always like to interact with the English community. But I'm scared of being seen as a bad person because of this.

Spanish community has been always toxic, and actually it used to be worst. I just hope those Spanish streamer that live on US or on an english speaking country could educated more to Spanish community because this EN vs SP thing is so ridiculous when you take in consideration that many viewers that support Spanish streamer actually live in non Spanish speaking countries. We all are here just to have fun is not a "language war".

@Poggster people from Spain are Spanish not Hispanic.

The weird part is there definitely are mods and plenty of extremely talented modders in the community. So anything they agreed on for rules could've been implemented in a modded server.

There was a raid protection plugin. But some idiots decided to make a twig base. Twig is a placeholder object and is not protected.

The funny one was , when a Spanish streamer killed by an AI then blamed the admin 🤣

Yeah they and their community legitimately thinks the admin spawned bots in front of them on purpose too just to favor NA even though it does nothing to help them cause the even was based on acquiring dog tags

wait, which one?

To be totally fair, if the Moderators/Gamekeepers actually enforced the rules instead of trying to clarify them/readjust them to the situation, then I doubt some (not all) of what happened would not have. When I think of "Raiding", sneaking into the other sides base with a few friends to steal loot would absolutely fall under that category. But instead of consequences, we got the "No-No Squares". The Rules and Communication was just not there enough and the players felt relatively unrestricted and did as they pleased. So many companies and people struggle with this. Fix the core problem, not put a band-aid on it. Clearly the band-aid wasn't enough because the man ended up bleeding out and ruining the whole thing.

As a Brazilian, which tends to group together and interact with foreigners on the internet frequently, just by seeing the basic explanation I already know the shitstorm that brew lol Never put the groups against each other, banter and competitiveness WILL become toxic lmao

the sad part is hearing them badmouthing the whole LATAM when we (Brazil) have nothing to do with it

@Murilo Back ikr, we even have to deal with their racist remarks when we inevitably get queued up together in some games

Thanks for this video, i think there is a lot of misunderstanding by both sides, as a spanish guy i want to see more community crossovers without this toxic stuff, and maybe in a different game where rules can be more efective

This is so sad honestly for the spanish streamers. Toast and others must have put a lot of effort into that event and for it to just end abruptly just like that because of their childish behaviour is just outrageous. Even continuing the beef today by changing pfps and shit just goes to show how fucking childish they are.

I think there was this other Twitch Rivals event (Minecraft probably), where the Spanish team behaved very immature and shitty, because the German team just played with a better strategy and won. It‘s just a very bad look for them, I don’t know any of them, but that‘s what I’m associating their community with

@LJ yeah that’s what happen. Ppl were talking about it on Twitter too. Comparing to this event to the past.

Have you even watched Mendo, Picco and Coconut last 3 day Tweets and streams? They are constantly insulting, mocking and making their content arround all this drama. Ricoy response is preaty childish but at the end is a response to all the things that they are doing for days.

alexby is the spanish xqc (in being a man child i mean)

For those of you who don’t know, Rustoria, the guys who helped make the Rust server and own/create a lot of other servers, are generally pos when it comes to business. Lot of creators and people have complained about them before, breaking contracts, lying, etc. so not totally surprised this happened when they got involved. Not saying it’s their fault, just they’ve never been a great company to work with in general.

feel like the captains of each team should agree on the rules and have a say if they disagree with something before the event. think a big event like this they should have strict rules for what happen if someone break a rule or is being toxic. could be somehting like removing a significant amount of points from the team or something like that. would depend what game they play and what rules there are, but should be something that affect the whole team if someone break a rule.

I feel bad for the smaller creators in this event that were just trying to grow and have fun. Like this is their chance to make a name for themselves but now many people will look down upon them for just being spanish/american. Im honestly sad, as someone who has 7k hours in rust and my favourite streamers are in this event I was finally happy seeing a rust event, unlucky ig.

This really sucks. I loved the rust servers with everyone on going out like it’s the Wild West lol I was super excited to find Spanish streamers, especially since I’m Mexican American and I don’t really find many Spanish speaking streamers that are into the games I like. It’s disappointing how petty people became, how the game play fell through and how little fun & excitement came from would should have been a fun game.

The funniest thing about this is that it IS possible to make things in Rust off-limits and indestructable. All the dumb "verbal agreement, let's shake on it" bullshit, and the drama that resulted from it, could have been easily avoided. Look at any decent PvE server in Rust, they have coders that customize their servers to implement all kind of stuff like PvE maps with PvP zones, npc raidable bases, and pvp flags with timers. If it can be done by small time coders, then it can definitely be done by a whole ass team dedicated to running a successful event with this much money behind it, especially when the team includes people who work for Facepunch. The event organizers and admins really should have upped their game for this event, because all these problems were avoidable. I do think the format has merit, but if they want to run it again hopefully they figure the coding side of it out before any future events.

Wouldn't be surprised if we see some bans from this in the near future, and I also wouldn't be surprised if the Spanish streamers don't get invited to any events for a long time

This is genuinely just sad and disappointing news. Such an amazing opportunity to integrate awesome communities. ruined by some toxic sportsmanship and immaturity 😢

I think this all really revolves around the No raiding thing. I'd imagine it'd probably be best to have multiple raiding periods, maybe 1 after and hour, then one or two at 3 and 5 and from there you'd want to have it based on time zones syncing up (so there isn't alarmclocking at 3:45 AM or whatever, cause that just sucks) The whole "Make the base out of twigs" did cause it to snowball simply cause the game really isn't designed to have you use twig structures for anything that is critical. Not to say they were wrong in running it this way, it's just a lot more likely in such a long format to have weird quirks of the rules arise. And sometimes we gotta make mistakes, now we know that you gotta be real specific with the rules in Rust tournaments, make sure you have a provision for twig structures (Could just have them exempt from the raiding rule, forcing at _least_ wooden structures during the no raid period, and at that point you'd want to have anti-door camping and so forth, naturally pushing players to specific, wanted behavior.) And yea, toxicity over teammates is no bueno, no one will ever disagree with that

This was an amateur event. You know they're amateurs setting up an event because they tried to make it nearly rule-less. They should have put ground rules originally, clearly defined what "raiding" implies, and asked the players if there was anything they disagreed with or wanted to add. And then they should have put significant penalties to breaking the rules. The players breaking rules got nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a "give it back". Should have docked the team 10-20 points depending on the infraction.

Sounds like the problem was that they had too many rules, and had to get admins to constantly step in and try and get people to follow those rules. Just make it way simpler with way fewer rules... People have to overcomplicate things

It's sad to see this happen and overshadow so many small streamers who didn't participate in the drama and were just in it for the exposure and meeting new people. Also a shame that the spanish streamers were huge babies who encouraged their viewers to attack minorities from the NA team because they were "upset", just making the community look bad. Great video tho o7

It was disappointing to see how some of the Spanish streamers approached the event. Toast wanted to do this event with the Spanish streamers because he has built up great admiration for their scene and respect for how they approach collaborative content, but some of the Spanish streamers came into this even from a place of despise, disrespect, and frankly some outright xenophobia for the NA community. Their team captain could have stopped the few team members he had who were being disrespectful, hateful and cheating but he didn't bother probably (Giving him the benefit of the doubt here) cause nationalistic pride and tribalism got in the way. These few Spanish streamers ruined the entire event for the rest of the Spanish streamers as well, most of whom are small streamers and could have used the bonus money from winning. Probably severely reduced the chances of future collaborative content between NA and LATAM scenes. What a shame. One of them is still target harassing NA streamers from the event.

@Burnt, okay dude, that's not understanding the whole panorama

@Burnt Wait, when were the Spanish streamers xenophobic and racist? What did they say?

@Samu Mendoza Lud mentioned it in the video, their chats were telling the Asian NA streamers to go and eat dogs or telling some of the female streamers to get back in the kitchen, not to mention the things that were actually said in the rust chat

ludwig genuinely always has great takes, there’s people out there who’s takes i generally agree with but not always but with ludwig i feel like i genuinely agree with every take he has on any topic lol he handles it which such respect and ease which makes it a lot easier to agree with as well

Ludwig a lot of time deliver on the news too fast, which often means that he has a few mistake or inaccuracies, but yeah I think his takes on themselves are pretty good, just wish he would prepare a little better as a casual-journalist.

Dude I'm so disapointed I'm part of the spanish speaking community and it's sad to see how negatively this went for us. I think there's some cultural diferences that affect the situation as well, like language diferences and different social awareness levels in both cultures. (Of course not an excuse for the bad behavior just an explanation of where it's roots are). But yeah a lot of spanish speaking streamers use "dark humor" that's based on prejudice and shock value, and that's is just sad.

Yeah, I feel like people just explaining and having civil conversations about what words are harmful and such could’ve probably solved some issues

Seems to me like the biggest controversy here is that xQc was classified as an English speaking streamer

A little bit of a correction but you can make certain things like guns and weapons off limit which they did for the guns you weren't able to use. They also later on made it so people couldnt destroy each others base later on

As a spanish speaking person, i can say that i can't feel bad for the spanish side, especifically the big streamers, not because of everything that happened or anything but because the way they handled the situation was far from ideal, that's why i don't follow most of them, because at least in my opinion most of them behave with the brain of a 5 year old. Who i CAN feel bad for tho, are the smaller spanish streamers who were there to have fun, make content and such. Hopefully in the future, if an event like this takes place again, those kind of people can take the spot of leader, it would lead to a way better handling of situations like this and it can bring the NA and Spanish communities together. Anyway that's my little take Great vid lud!!

bold of ludwig to completely denounce the entire population of Spain. liked and subbed!

Truly incredible

Yep thats exactly what he said! Great stuff!

@J M yeah dude, cause english speaking content wasn´t edgy or drama based

I really like that part in the video where he insulted all their mothers

e FINALLY LET'S GO!

You know Lud is a real gamer when he says the Arbiter (Halo) instead of Arbitrator. I know its late but keep up the good work Lud!

It is frankly incredible how quick AlexBy was to go an druin things as soon as he got any sort of leadership or power, jesus. I remember the dude being a 'side-guy' from other more popular youtubers a few years back, such as 'Willyrex' or 'Vegeta777' before they kind of fell off. Sad to see him act as such a small man when he had the chance to shine. Oh well, if you really want to see how a man truly is, just give him power i suppose.

Alexby has always been this toxic in my eyes, it just took a bit of power for people to also see it. I also remember the time with them or even with ElRubius, that was probably his golden time and now as soon as he gets such an opportunity he has to throw it down the drain

I'm Spanish and I gotta say, it's pretty embarrasing how people act when encouraged by each other. Many people here just think darker is funnier, combined with the fact that *ACTUAL* racism is far, far less common here than in the US, people are usually less educated and are pretty desensitized, so they tend to say words or act in ways that are... pretty fucking racist. But... I kinda have to play devil's advocate: people often don't think what they say. Saying the "n" word in Spain... means nothing, they just say it for shock value towards NA people. As I said, that group mentality encouraging each other to say the most shocking thing imaginable is pretty common here. Overall, pretty embarrased, but I'm not even shocked, coming from those streamers in particular and their communities... sadly

As so many have already stated, most disappointing part is the waste of time, money and resources for this event. Just very sad that creators didn’t get to create :/

As a Puerto Rican I feel comfortable saying this why you don't invite the Spanish people. Events like this have happened over and over with large groups of English speaking rust players and streamers and they're usually fine and go off without an issue. Invite the Spanish speakers and boom here we are.

Agree on the take that it's disappointing that the mingling of the two communities was such a disaster. Probably going to leave a lot of people with a sour taste in their mouth about the other side, instead of bringing people together like I imagine it was meant to.

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Humans are tribal by nature. Introduce a competitive aspect divided along tribal lines and things go very poorly.

@Djayk bro, this was just a rust server. They were very childish.

They should have gotten the people that do trust in rust to set up this event, they do this same thing and their events don't really have problems, but again it's for charity

HJune said that he screened each participant carefully, which is why that event went more smoothly. Also, he mentioned that the problematic Spanish streamers from TwitchRivals didn't make the cut for Trust in Rust EXACTLY because they have a history of this type of behavior. I hope the organizers screen better in the future (and make the rules more clear/build the rules into the game mechanics).

Got a question. Why couldn't they just play with NO rules? If everything is allowed, wouldn't it have avoided all this?

I think the point was to give really good content and hype for the last hour, but if you cant make it to the last hour, doesn't really matter lol

rules make a game more fun by saying you can't do stuff it makes things more challenging and entertaining

I definitely agree with lud when he says the Spanish weren’t too involved before the event. I feel like if they clearly understood the rules they wouldn’t have as much of an issue and they could’ve made all these rules before the event happened.

For future reference, if any na streamer wants to collab with spanish streamer, they should talk to Ibai and Rubius. Those 2 are by far the most professional spanish streamers out there

Definitely they are the most professional for sure

The problem with getting Ibai is that he is bigger than almost any NA streamer and this recruiting him will take a lot more money / a very appealing proposal.

@Happy Bee Gaming bigger in number of members? or bigger in revenue?

@CorgiCoders all of the above

@CorgiCoders rubius too, he has a channel with 11 million and his main has 40 million subs

I don't know why you expected anything else but this. Don't pit different communities like this against each other, it will almost never work.

it can work if everyone involved has a good mindset about the event. The Spanish team were just yuck overall about this.

The biggest complaints from the Spanish side were the time zone differences. A lot of the events happened while the Spanish streamers were asleep so it became unfair, but the issue with that complaint is that the NA streamers were putting far more commitment into the server. Streamers on the NA side weren't sleeping and staying awake the entire time, others were doing 14-18 hours of streams and barely sleeping or having free time. There was the obvious racism/ableism from the Spanish streamers as well. The other streamers were being toxic and not contributing to the problem, but that's more than expected with people like XQC and whatnot on the server. One of the biggest problems came down to the Spanish streamers properly cheating, not just going against the rules of the server. At least one of the streamers was using filters on the game to be able to see in the pitch black of night, killing a bunch of people. What makes this worse is that there was a $2k prize for top kills. Another was off stream door camping to try and capture the top spot, and was said to be stream sniping. This was very poor for the Spanish streamers, and Ricoy needs to be removed from all platforms.

All those who actually mf understand all this is a real one. Like it’s crystal clear but omg half the community be hella blind on the laid out facts with evidenceee

What did Xqc even do?

@Pine Apple nothing over the top, just his usual competitive shit talking.

@UCXef1Joh2YXTJPHxzszBYFw As shown during the video, he made a bunch of comments that in this day and age aren’t acceptable:

I only heard about this through the video so don't really know how big of a deal it was but the fact that they made their bases of twig then complained when it got hit by a stray bullet and broke is absolutely maddening and they deserve to be disqualified for that alone. That's like having an imaginary house and being upset that someone walked into it, build an actual fucking base if you don't want 1 bullet to break it, it's not hard, it's not difficult, it's not time consuming. You can make it out of wood or stone and with more than 3 people would take less than 10 minutes. Actually insane that that was even a complaint in the first place

I feel like even if both sides cleared up the rules in the beginning, something like this would eventually happen because of ego and conflicting personalities

I feel like every time a bunch of streamers get on a rust server some kind of drama is inevitable.

I feel like any type of person on any rust server will cause drama. Rust is just a game about flexing Ego's. It was inevitable considering all the streamers have huge egos

The rule was that you could not go inside the base so since the Spanish streamers placed their helicopter on the roof it became free game since the na team did not need to go inside the base to get the helicopter technically and that was the only thing they took so there was no loot stolen and no rules broken

Very inspiring words from Toast towards the end there, no wonder he's 10,000 IQ

Toast mentioned how him and Alex got into a call prior to the whole event where they talked to the admins and discuss what rules should be implemented, how the event would go. Alex talking about "I didn't know we could use revolvers" was bs because they started using the guns before team NA. Team NA only used guns because Spanish people were using them first. Edit: Rennisaurus or whatever her name was even shown screenshots where they were given a list of items that were prohibited and there was no mention of pistols. They asked the admins if pistols were allowed and ultimately it was. It was fair game and the Spanish had the same list too!

their first problem was choosing rust as a game to do this with. Rust has notoriously been bad for groups of streamers interacting

I disagree. In my opinion rust was the perfect game for it if only both sides kept the drama inside the game, and not cry about it to other platforms

@Yency Tolentino did u watch any of the otv server? Granted this wasnt some halfassed RP server so people cant complain about rules as much but rust has and always will be toxic

If all the streamers didn’t have huge egos and just played the game how it was intended then all the sneaking and stealing could have made some great content.

Oh I did, and there was a lot of drama, but the streamers were professional about it and shook hands in the end. Rust brings out the primitive side of people and IMO thats what makes it fun. Unlike the spanish team who kept crying that the admins have favoritism and refused to play the game. Tbh they still could have won the game, the last day was suppose to be the most critical moment of the tournament.

No one expected there to be 0 drama. They chose rusk cuz they knew there would be. And the event went super great- until there were some miscommunications abt the rules(which is not on the game). Despite everything, the event popped off and the next one will be even better

I can’t really understand the Spanish side because regardless of what’s happening I know most streamers would’ve just stuck it out regardless of nationality. Quitting is just so boring and ruins a lot of the viewers experience and in the end ruined what could’ve been a great event. Hopefully twitch gets more strict on the rules and does another rust tourney with better and clearer rules because it really was a good stream up until the Spanish quit.

I mean, in one side you have streamers leading NA like Toast and HJune, both mature people who understand that besides the differences, making fun content is the final goal because it's a win-win for everybody, and then in the other side you have over invested and emotional people like AlexBy and Ricoy making the calls. Good leadership matters. I wonder if things could have gone different if people like Ibai or Rubius were leading

Mad respect to lud for using Spanish pronunciation and not just random mexican/Latin American. Good lisp mate

This kind of reminds me of that Mario Kart tournament event where it ended up being cancelled because the losing team(i forgot what country they're from) decided to quit because of "unfairness". Causing the winning team not even receiving their reward for winning because the other team had quitted. So damn childish.

From someone who watches both Spanish speaking and English speaking streamers this is incredibly sad to watch :/ (Alexby is a bit cringe and extremely emotional)

I hope this has calmed down since. I like most of the twitch streamer stuff that has been posted here on youtube. I do not watch twitch mainly due to I can not view many live streams if any at all.

It really sucks that this happened, and I feel especially bad for it as a Spanish- American. I feel bad that one of the rare occasions that Spain gets any time in the international spotlight our representatives act so disrespectfully. I'd like to make it clear that not all Spaniards act so childishly. I hope that sometime Spain has another opportunity to redeem herself in the online space, and hopefully next time both the Hispanic community and the English speaking community gets a fair say in the rules for any future events. This was a bummer to watch, but thanks for speaking out on it Lud.

I don't think (or at least I hope) that anyone's take-away from this event is that wharever particular streamer's/streamer's chat's behavior is indicative of how the majority of people from a country behave. If anyone did I would encourage them to actually go to Spain and see how incredibly kind and fun the people are there, especially to foreigner's. I believe this is more of an example of the nature of Rust and how quickly it can become super toxic under even normal circumstances. I really hope that there will be another chance for these communities to join again under better terms or potentially a different less serious game. Sending love from America :)

Definitely agree, as a Mexican American I was so excited to find some Spanish speaking streamers at a game that I really like! Hopefully in the future things work out better but until then we’ll just have to understand, wait and better our ourselves & communities.

the english were childish with it first though, do something childish and you're gonna get a childish response. They ignored the no raiding rule and still raided. Just because they didn't destroy or kill anyone doesn't mean they didn't raid or steal etc. they knew they were specifically going at a bad loophole and didn't care because they were on american servers

I think the issue was that the rules weren't clear enough. Toast basically said we will do things if the admins allows it then it's ok. revolver in bow and sticks era it's ok. Raid base on first day? Admin is fine with it, pythons, ok, and many other things. So always going to the limits of the rules was the issue.

To be fair raiding doesn’t have to involve destruction. It can be done by stealth. That said if you’re going to build something out of twigs you don’t get to complain when it gets damaged by stray fire.

It sucks that the event was ruined and their should of been some backup so this doesn't happen. Put it in writing and make sure this doesn't happen by signing contracts. Personally I couldn't care less as I don't speak Spanish and don't care about the Spanish streams. I should probably note that this is in reference to just the streams in a whole not the people in general as Spanish people are genuinely really nice people. If you're going to do events such as this it needs to involve both sides start to finish. It also should of been modded better as any reference to racism/sexism/ whatever should result in an instant ban of that person.

Whoever thought that the best way to integrate two different spheres of influence in a competitive but amicable way was a rust server needs some cognitive therapy I feel like.

ive said it once and ill say it again, competitive rust is both impossible and also the absolute peak of content at the same time.

impossible things tend to be godlike content it's weird like that ain't it

@That One Guy haha yes indeed

flashbacks to sir winter dilemma

Its not impossible. The rules were vaguely put out but the concept and idea were excellent. I hope they do it again with more clear rules and non-manchild streamers.

i thought it was an amazing event, we just need thicc skin people to deal with what rust really is, like NA never complain about the shitty first 2 hrs, where they got spawn killed stole heli, stole materials, it was a fucking joke... but they kept playing

The guys who were typing slurs into the rust chat should get a minimum 7 day vacation from twitch.

And a permanent ban on rust

Those weren't slurs, is a meme moking the fact that the english languaje doesn't have the letter ñ, i always find funny when english speakers get confused by it

the funny thing is, Alexby on his twitch was mocking the fact that people were calling him out for Ñ word, just laughing it out saying they can think whatever that Ñ word means i dont really care, but you could tell on his face he knows what NA team were talking about and he was happy because it, it was disgusting to see him like that, like i dont really care too much about people being racist and shit, you know what you do, say, and mean. But like for you to act that arrogant knowingly willingly not giving a shit when you are a public figure and you act like that, im like damn, this society is so fucked, coz of the power that people give to public figures.... they feel like they can do anything knowing that your community will ever have your back no matter what...

@Kaozed "ñ Word" LMAO

How is ñ word a slur?

Yeah, there's definitely groups of Spanish streamers who really don't care about being a public figure and saying whatever shit they want, sadly some communities around here will still defend them because they also look for that kind of content I'm still glad there was some enjoyment to get with some of the content creators out there but if I was Toast I would consider having some kind of trust proxy to look for specific creators in the spanish community first, there are lots of known, respected, respectful and loved faces who may not get numbers as big, but whi instead could easily give the best content out of an event like that

Just so people know I watched a video on welyns channel, who was one of the streamers who participated in the event, the loot that they stole was a helicopter that was on top of the Spanish streamers base and that's all they stole. The rules stated they could not raid the base, but the heli was not in the base so it was fair game. The base that got destroyed because it was made of bad marterial was not raided, there was a fight nearby and stray shots hit the base. Watch welyns video on the event to see what happened.

Communication is key to a successful game. Talking to both teams and having no Bias on both teams.