This should be illegal… - Manufacturers are swapping SSD components

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    Bait & switch is a common deception technique that's as old as time itself, but usually it's only seen being done by bad actors. What if I told you that this is happening today, right now, on sites like Amazon and Newegg, with some of the best selling SSDs?

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    CHAPTERS
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    0:00 Intro
    1:50 The SX8200 Pro's claims
    2:32 Reddit
    3:16 What actually determines SSD performance?
    4:52 Our drive variants
    5:57 Benchmarks
    7:06 Why is ADATA doing this?
    8:42 The core issue
    9:25 This has happened before
    10:27 Should SSDs have a performance standard?
    11:58 Outro

Unreasonable Bastards
Unreasonable Bastards

"We're going to be stuck telling people to just stick to vendors like samsung." 2 months later Samsung caught doing the same thing lol

Vor 12 Stunden
Lawson Kennamer
Lawson Kennamer

"Arsed"

Vor 13 Stunden
Flare Thorn
Flare Thorn

It's called false advertising, which is a crime.

Vor Tag
Grimmy Hendrix
Grimmy Hendrix

i thought this WAS/IS illegal?... No? It's kind of like a car mfgr stating their newest car has a V6, allowing all the big reviewers to test and drive it with a V6, and then selling it to the public with a V6 BADGE but an inline 4cyl under the hood! That HAS TO BE illegal!?

Vor Tag
lethalblacktalon lethal
lethalblacktalon lethal

funny, Linus ends video with an ad for Micro Center which is in the beginning of the video as one of the places that DO THE SWAPPING.

Vor 2 Tage
Guochun Mo
Guochun Mo

We use a lot of ADATA SSD a lot of bad drive, they use Realtek for controller now.

Vor 2 Tage
Leo De Las Cruces
Leo De Las Cruces

i don´t know how it is in your third rate country, but here, in Argentina, if you say you sell a box of 40 matches and you get either 39 or 41, you can sue. So there. Sue them if you have the laws. Sue them until its too expensive to even think to "bait and switch". (Confession: Third rate country was me trolling you.)

Vor 3 Tage
soma day
soma day

The example used here is extremely poor. The mfg published a set of specs and it met them and even improved performance in its product evolution. Think of 6 Sigma continuous improvement and ISO 9001 compliance. Linus Tech needs to get real. Minute product changes would become a new model or variant and product support would have the cross indexing ballooning out of control. OMG, a paint mfg changes a formulation to comply with evolving EPA rules, so a vehicle mfg changing to the new paint would have to advise customers of the change...along with all of the other continuing changes.

Vor 3 Tage
chalz Jo
chalz Jo

I just heard that Samsung also got caught doing this same scheme.... so sad...

Vor 3 Tage
Mittens FastPaw
Mittens FastPaw

We live still in a modern boring shitty dystopia.

Vor 3 Tage
George Ogrady
George Ogrady

And evo samsung 3200 down 2100

Vor 4 Tage
Joe Lourenḉo
Joe Lourenḉo

WOW!!!!

Vor 4 Tage
Eric A.
Eric A.

when exactly did newegg become trusted?

Vor 4 Tage
George Piskopanis
George Piskopanis

I don't think the beard makes this millennial guy any more adult looking. He might as well keep his previous look.

Vor 4 Tage
Chhavimani Choubey
Chhavimani Choubey

what am i supposed to buy then if I cant find out which brand remains to be legit( samsung wd crucial a-data kingston all are doing it)

Vor 5 Tage
redtesta
redtesta

make them put a MIN along with the UP TO like ISP's do in their cable packages. You have to ask or read the small print but IF the drive is "up to" 3500 and they say , " well, the MIN we guarantee is 1000" .. RUN .. Run for the hills. Not much honesty. I had a Adata fail right after warranty. Seen some higher end system builds with top components using a lower to barely mid tier Adata ssd. sad.

Vor 5 Tage
Stevoisiak
Stevoisiak

And now Samsung has been caught swapping components. Is there any brand we can trust?

Vor 5 Tage
Chhavimani Choubey
Chhavimani Choubey

with wd and crucial hahahhaha

Vor 5 Tage
Debbie Shelnut
Debbie Shelnut

Samsung has been caught with their hands in the same barrel doing the same thing….. 😔

Vor 5 Tage
Ivor
Ivor

As it turns out, Samsung was guilty of bait and swtching too.

Vor 6 Tage
RogueSystem087
RogueSystem087

honestly quite curious to see other companies like samsung or intel get investigated

Vor 6 Tage
kyle Kambourian
kyle Kambourian

everybody else: THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO me: yay dark mode intro!!!

Vor 6 Tage
Ärchœn Sâbré
Ärchœn Sâbré

@Linus Tech Tips This is why *I favor* using *@Samsung SSDs and HDs* throughout the years. I know that their chips come from them and not some other knock-off manufacturer.

Vor 6 Tage
Cooldude1991c
Cooldude1991c

And now samsung joined the race in cheating I recently bought Samsung 970 Evo plus now I have dought weather i have a substandard product

Vor 6 Tage
Awesome Aasim
Awesome Aasim

I think this is illegal under US law, as it would be false advertising which is regulated by the FTC.

Vor 6 Tage
hashbrowns
hashbrowns

There is an update. Samsung, Crucial and many others are found doing the same.

Vor 7 Tage
Luis Freitas
Luis Freitas

Very good research. Impressed. Good job.

Vor 8 Tage
Reginald Byrd
Reginald Byrd

What about Ram Chips for PC or phones or whatever?

Vor 8 Tage
J Ram
J Ram

What If I told you alienware has been doing this , I caught them and they gave no shits

Vor 9 Tage
No hoping
No hoping

SWITCH OlC to TLC cells Samsung and Western digital they have did it and lies to you

Vor 9 Tage
Tony Piazza
Tony Piazza

Stick to Samsung... Got It!

Vor 9 Tage
dascandy
dascandy

So we've forgotten about Logitech switching their webcams to a wholly different chipset and driver, and telling Linux users that expected a given driver to work that it's their problem because the CD did ship the new Windows driver? Manufacturers don't care.

Vor 9 Tage
Parker Psillides
Parker Psillides

Great editing in this video

Vor 9 Tage
The Watchful Hunter
The Watchful Hunter

Buyer beware. Scammers everywhere. If not an easy, free return and refund, don't buy it.

Vor 9 Tage
Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

I cant even afford a computer but for same reason I'm subscribed

Vor 10 Tage
Ted Dropstone
Ted Dropstone

Well on the bright side I feel validated for spending a little extra for my 980Pro

Vor 10 Tage
Dark Zak
Dark Zak

This video makes me glad that I’ve only ever used Samsung SSD’s

Vor 11 Tage
tellucas
tellucas

They need to start publishing a minimum speed for the drives. In a large compute environment a 10% reduction in speed could translate into 10% higher operating costs.

Vor 11 Tage
Prasad Kamat
Prasad Kamat

So apparently Samsung is caught doing this as well now, with the 970 EVO Plus !!

Vor 11 Tage
ajaopify
ajaopify

So far what is known MZVLB1T0HBLR (older, good) and one is the MZVL21T0HBLU (newer, inferior). From Extreme Tech.

Vor 8 Tage
Matthew Black
Matthew Black

What about Kingston though?

Vor 12 Tage
Jesus Zamora
Jesus Zamora

PNY is a trusted brand? Honestly, the only companies I'd ever buy these things from are WD (at the mainstream level) and Samsung (at the enthusiast level).

Vor 12 Tage
IamayMizono
IamayMizono

I want that amethyst decor so bad!!!!

Vor 12 Tage
FullMetal632
FullMetal632

All chinese companies are greedy shit

Vor 12 Tage
Julian mrtns
Julian mrtns

It’s lawsuit time 😎

Vor 13 Tage
Charles Wong
Charles Wong

satisfying~

Vor 13 Tage
Michael Maston
Michael Maston

Bait And Switch IS illegal.

Vor 13 Tage
Rafaelbr
Rafaelbr

Porque ele fica pegando no contato do SSD? pqp!

Vor 13 Tage
pepper
pepper

Sounds like GREED. Same with honey. Aint giving them money.

Vor 13 Tage
Casey Henderson
Casey Henderson

doing the lords work linus

Vor 14 Tage
MåcGyver
MåcGyver

So my takeaway from this, basically you're saying save up your pennies and only buy components when they FIRST release if you want the "advertised performance". Or, wait longer to buy and start a class action lawsuit for "false advertising AKA fraud" which totally IS illegal?!

Vor 15 Tage
Vlad Petric
Vlad Petric

"up to X MB/s" - a limit you're guaranteed to never exceed :)

Vor 15 Tage
Guido D.G.
Guido D.G.

The margins on these consumer electronics are very tight. See it on the longer term, you got year after year more performance for same money ;) Besides, for most applications this issue is not even an issue. Myself i care more about how long it lasts.

Vor 15 Tage
Lourenco Photography
Lourenco Photography

WOW!

Vor 15 Tage
Jeremiah Banks
Jeremiah Banks

Lawsuit will stop it

Vor 15 Tage
Uchiha Fabio
Uchiha Fabio

I always wanted to know, after this kind of video appears, does the manufacturers really get in touch with linus to discuss it?

Vor 15 Tage
Mr Awesome
Mr Awesome

Sounds like a class action lawsuit.

Vor 15 Tage
They Live We Sleep
They Live We Sleep

Let’s see how many law suits they can handle.

Vor 15 Tage
Seriouskai
Seriouskai

What a surprise, company making products just wanting to take your money AND not being honest nice people? Never would've guessed >_>

Vor 15 Tage
nomercy
nomercy

Illegal yes. We are literally paying for those specific components. That's like buying a brand new top tier truck, then... yet when u get it... they gave u the bottom tier truck masked as a top tier... its fraud.

Vor 16 Tage
monsterrun
monsterrun

intel makes good pcie ssd. seems to be the next best thing after samsung

Vor 16 Tage
Thakgalo Melvin
Thakgalo Melvin

DSTV is the best at this symbolism

Vor 16 Tage
Shinobi
Shinobi

It is illegal.. It's called false advertisement.

Vor 16 Tage
Ben C
Ben C

Thanks!

Vor 17 Tage
Dan Dagerman
Dan Dagerman

We have to do better. Shit like this is exactly why we are so fucked today and you can't find parts for anything. Build shit that works, quit modifying and fucking with design.

Vor 17 Tage
Missum Enim Satanas 666
Missum Enim Satanas 666

A guy in Kentucky has already outted these people and exposed their practices. That guy did ALOT of homework and found alot of bad practices by these manufacturers. I just can't rem his name. His videos are here on YouTube thiugh

Vor 17 Tage
Crushing Defeat Media
Crushing Defeat Media

Had to smile when I realized I always buy Samsung storage:) Whether it's a thumb drive, M2 or regular SSD. And phones... Apple often puts Samsung storage in their phones too. So that helps. Phew:) ***Disclosure, I am biased because I used to work there. But they are a great company!

Vor 17 Tage
Antonio Maldonado
Antonio Maldonado

So how would I know I'm getting the right product?

Vor 17 Tage
Rie M.S.
Rie M.S.

Reminds me of this 1 TB ADATA SSD which from day 1 bought couldn't even save 1 GB of data to it and when sent for warranty replacement they sent another SSD with the same problem. Further test using ADATA's own testing software proves the drive is not functioning as it should. ADATA should be sued or banned!

Vor 17 Tage
Marc Abelha
Marc Abelha

There should be a law limiting the use of expressions, like usually, or up to, in advertising or marketing their product. Fair use of statements is a good thing, unless when it is abused. Industry driven by performance should enforce performance terminology and be less lenient.

Vor 17 Tage
trajectoryunown
trajectoryunown

Is this not fraud? This sounds like fraud.

Vor 17 Tage
Dan Mac
Dan Mac

Those shelves of RTX'S and Ryzens 🤤💦🧹🪣

Vor 18 Tage
Kinzie Conrad
Kinzie Conrad

We used to call this the chip lottery. And this same thing happens with CPU’s also.

Vor 18 Tage
Ihtesham Emon
Ihtesham Emon

And 2 million people knows it now!

Vor 18 Tage
Aye
Aye

You great 👍🏻

Vor 18 Tage
Iron Javelin
Iron Javelin

LOL i bought one of these time to see which version i have xD

Vor 18 Tage
Iron Javelin
Iron Javelin

LOL i bought one of these time to see which version i have xD

Vor 18 Tage
G50-IcEMaN
G50-IcEMaN

Sounds like its time for a CLASS🤑 ACTION Take from them what they Don't DESERVE. Your Money

Vor 18 Tage
exaltedb
exaltedb

Me who has a 2TB 8200 Pro in my laptop: _this is fine_

Vor 19 Tage
GutsRage
GutsRage

That awkward moment when you have a XPG nvme on your system...

Vor 19 Tage
aron canapa
aron canapa

Love that you used Dr. Cutress's website

Vor 19 Tage
cchavezjr7
cchavezjr7

This whole channel is a bait and switch. I see Linus along with Tech Tips and I'm expecting Linus Torvalds.

Vor 19 Tage
cchavezjr7
cchavezjr7

This has been going on since the invention of manufacturing. Cars are built all the time and have internal components changed depending on contracts with parts vendors and changes in pricing, etc. Anything that's built in a factory with parts will have this issue. The only thing that could be an issue with something like this is if it doesn't match the advertised specs but even then, situations and conditions change so much depending on who is using it and different applications, it's virtually impossible to keep up with it.

Vor 19 Tage
3n3ly7m
3n3ly7m

*COUGH COUGH* 980 Pro is UguHUHugagahhhaha yuck.

Vor 19 Tage
iknowcodesoup
iknowcodesoup

Newegg. Bought new. Sent me used broken like it was ripped out of the last computer. No bag no box. Components broken off and the metal plate for ports bent. Nearly 20 years ago or more. Not news. People just like buying garbage.

Vor 19 Tage
Roboko
Roboko

did you know

Vor 19 Tage
Kevin Nguyen
Kevin Nguyen

I think that same thing happened with RAM back in the days.

Vor 19 Tage
Bradley Gagenhart
Bradley Gagenhart

Samsung is doing this now too lol

Vor 20 Tage
pianotm
pianotm

Makes me glad I went with a SATA hard drive for my new 10th gen computer. EDIT: Them: "Boo-hoo! We can't be expected to make sure everything's right! Do you know what it takes to change the skew on the machine?" Me: "So, can I get a 4 GB RTX-1080 with 6 GB RTX-2060 performance because of this?" Them: "No, it's only inconvenient for us to do our jobs when the end product effectively cheats you."

Vor 20 Tage
KeinNiemand
KeinNiemand

but hard drives are extremely slow.

Vor 20 Tage
John Uremovich
John Uremovich

Cant trust a guy that cant pronounce the word reputable.

Vor 20 Tage
Sebastian Hothaza
Sebastian Hothaza

Silicone Power SP34A80, SAME THING. Absolutely unacceptable

Vor 20 Tage
Daniel Pinion [Student]
Daniel Pinion [Student]

Can you please start shaming and exposing the printer companies and them doing this EXACT SAME mess?

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Charles Brock
Charles Brock

Welcome to communist America.

Vor 21 Tag
ForeverTS2
ForeverTS2

Yeah, this happens a lot with American companies, in many fields, even fast food. A restaurant introduces a new item. Sometimes within 2 weeks the price went up or the size got smaller.

Vor 9 Tage
fishbuster23
fishbuster23

Sorry Linus but we don't say that

Vor 21 Tag
trog624
trog624

Newegg isn't reputable.

Vor 21 Tag
Alex Jahoda
Alex Jahoda

I got mine Black Friday 2019 no problems. Maybe I got lucky.

Vor 21 Tag
Mark Knight
Mark Knight

Samsung has done the same now 😒

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Voliere-info.nl
Voliere-info.nl

they do meet the UP TO requirements, its not said they do >3000 "up to 3000". 500 is also plausible

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87Fox
87Fox

It’s as if ford swapped the 5.0 coyote motor with the 5.0 302 motor on their mustangs. This is fraud. Where’s the class action law suit?

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Terrie Cotham
Terrie Cotham

Reminds me of the story back when CB radios & Radar Detectors were common place. The call went out to all radar detectors to send a unit in for testing by the staff. Now the staff went out and pick ones up off the shelf ever if maker's did not send one in. Just before the testing started one company sent in a unit and this radar unit was the bomb. It out class all radar units in it's abilities and even left the same model off the shelf in the dirt as well. So the staff pulled it apart and other than the housings of brand X radar nothing else was the same. The unit sent in was pack full of electronics and the one off the shelf not so much. If i remember right the story publish all so includes the fact's of the radar brand X who did there best to game the system. It's one thing when it's an honest mistake. But when it's flat out bate and switch its sad. But with so many consumers and weak laws and people not understanding what specs count it's ease to scam then. Take speaker amps and the6 power. One has to ask is that. RMS. PP or P power. I remember hearing story of how builders would state how many Transistors were in there little radio. 9 transistors or 16 transistors and at times the extra transistors did zero to improve the performance and the Government stop it. Take all the new cars with lots of fancy computer's. Do they really beat some of the older cars when it comes to MPG.

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sushantveyron
sushantveyron

Now Samsung and wd are doing the same. How can a normal customer can check it's nvme ssd's all details without removing the sticker out?

Vor 21 Tag
caslaBBalsac
caslaBBalsac

I'd love to see you compare windows and MacOS in a similar manner.

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