Exactly this. We need it to be as simple as gas not to mention the 150kw supercharger etiquette with every other changer vs V3 250kw. Then all the different ones with electrify America and on and on. It needs to be simple and just work for everyone without knowing charging speeds, adapter differences, etc

@DaKrawnik420 wouldn’t be smarter to decentralized the grid and distribution of power? Power generation would be not strain at the source. instead of doing the same things over and over because were so use to going to the gas station…

@DaKrawnik420 just like anything else. The infrastructure will grow as the demand and needs rise

We needed working infrastructure on day one...

THANK YOU! It warms my heart and soothes my soul to hear someone younger than me admit this. I consider myself a highly Tech proficient 65 yr old, and I have given up trying to plan on charging anywhere else but home. After owning a plug-in hybrid for about a year, I drive it in HEV most of the time. As much as I love driving in electric, I can’t recommend anyone get an all electric car for now or the near future. There are so many ways that I would have to change my life to accommodate the car and when you get to a certain age you realize that every minute is precious and I do not have the time or energy accommodate shabby engineering. I honestly feel like ev charging companies are just taking tax dollars and making back room deals to get stations up but don’t care at all if they actually work and rarely maintain them. Politicians talk all day about spending money on infrastructure but unless you enforce a basic standard it will never be mainstream. And I am just not into enriching the richest guy in the world to inflate his already voluminous ego.

@Chironjit Das Yup. That's a major issue when i select my car too. I'm lucky there's an ev charging station near my place because i live in apartment too.

I'm half your age and still struggling got a PHEV two weeks ago, and between the various chargers, lack of cable, app issues, etc, still haven't had my first charge. Also live in an apmt, so I can't even charge at home

@Thewaterspirit57 I don't have to downplay anything. The creating and disposal of especially Lithium batteries is much worse than anyone cares to believe on the Environment. From someone who worked in the Electronics field for 20+ years, seeing thermal runaway on Batteries, and knows the shipping requirements, I understand more than you may want to give me credit for. Add to that the destruction created by mining the lithium in comparison to fuel, and the fact that... NO! LITHIUM CELLS are not readily or easily recyclable. The argument of Green Energy as we currently know it is a false Narrative and damaging to the earth full scale. Then turn around and run trials as folks have already done especially with the rising cost of Electric, and you find especially for traveling, the cost are greater than Fuel not cheaper as we have been lead to believe. Also mind you that non-Fuel based vehicles have been around since the early 1900's. Some that would not require an Electric charging point across the country, where are those now? Non Existent, because they are not completely sustainable. Over 100 years, and we are not any closer to sustainable solutions that have a long term advantage over Gas. That includes your High Cost, non-maintainable (without fuels), non- recyclable windmills and Solar Panels. As I mentioned, do the research and get off the hype. We may be making progress, but we are nowhere near full implementation of so called green fuels, and we won't be there in 12 years. AI will be running things before sustainable Non-Detrimental Green Energy is truly available.

@Chris H With proper care, batteries can be properly recycled. Stop trying to downplay the future of cars, gas powered ones are gonna be phased out due to their impact on the environment.

100% agreed. Add to that that every fuel station has a roof, is brightly lit... at least here in Germany, most of the public charging ports are in the middle of nowhere, no roof, no lights, no snacks, not even a litter bin. You're usually quite a bit away from anything else, fully exposed to the elements...

@BananaJuice Are you saying that driving from city to city you don't drive in the middle of nowhere? THank you for the geography lesson.

@Chris H average American generalizing a whole country based on his experience

Same here in the states. They’re all in the back of giant parking lots

Thats because in Germany your in the middle of nowhere just driving from place to place. At least anyplace I have been there.

I work on planning for the transmission grid, and you should really do an interview with somebody who works on these issues in your area. They're a lot thornier than most consumers, even enthusiast consumers, believe.

@Paul Mielke Also Biden is ramping up charging infrastructure, hoping to ease the charging problems.

Sure, engineering is hard. Building computers and operating systems is way complicated too. But his whole point in this video is that the customer shouldn't need to care about that. Fortunately there is good news happening "as we speak". Check his video on the first experience with Tesla chargers being opened up to non-Tesla vehicles. There are some people who know how to make this work.

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I enjoy your videos. You are calm, not doing bunch of jump-cuts and "what's up guyzzz!!!!" stuff. Very informative and easy to watch -- good job.

Absolutely spot on. I have pulled up to an "Electrify America" charging station that showed all 4 chargers available and none worked. People had put sticky notes on it to say "Don't work". Or you pull up to a charging station and when you go to plug in, the screen comes out of hibernation to say the charger is unavailable. It is frustrating, especially when you plan a longer trip and chargers show as available but really are not. My EV is just for around town now since my home charger runs off solar and is dependable vs the public chargers. For longer trips I just use the old fashion gas car since that infrastructure is solid.

I think there should be an industry standard that when stations get 2 "Not working" in the app, it shows on the app and the vendor (EA, Tesla, Etc) gets an alert and it has to be repaired within 8 hours. It would also be nice to be able to reserve a spot especially on a long trip. Very easy to do, you plan your trip and the app keeps track of where you are at and when you get close to the charging station, it notifies that the station is reserved. If you don't show up after 5 mins. past your scheduled time, it is canceled and someone else can use it......I have ideas!

@Walter RWAMUCYO Solar actually is only 15 to 22% efficient. The most important in solar charging is battery capacity because solar doesn't work at night and can't cope with mass ev charging.

@John Lesoudeur Oh phev cars for now.

@Steve Holstein I don't have an EV , too. I bought a $40 portable air pump because most gas stations don't have them anymore. IMHO, I think they don't maintain the charging stations because they don't make $$ off it. There is no incentive to do so. Gas stations make little $$ on Gas but on the convenience store items. My 5 cents..

Electric car are golf carts but for the inner city people

i’ve had the same experience with non-tesla chargers and like 70% of the time it’s such a convoluted process. they gotta fix the charging infrastructure asap!!

@I´ll follow the Sun - Yes ! That Global Warming dropped over 600 inches of SNOW in the mountains close to where I live... Yeah, that Global Warming is really really making a huge difference... :)

@Dee Harper Wasn't aware of that

@Daniel But tesla wanted to open up the charging stations to earn more money.....

Who dey? 😂

@Maurazio Mandatory like vaccines, bugs and CO2 budgets! What a great idea!

I’ve been driving for 40 years now. One thing I love to do is pay attention to everyone else's experiences good and bad. This has always pointed me in the right direction when it comes to purchasing anything. When it comes to cars there are certain brands that keep coming out on top and others that are consistently in the shop. EV’s in its current state have a lot of issues to sort out. This is a great video pointing out a problem I have heard about among many others. I think in 10 years things will be better but as of today I would not invest in pure EV just yet. I would go with a Hybrid, or a Prime until the EV camp stabilizes itself. However, if you are the early adaptor type and have a lot of time and patience, please absorb all those pains so that the rest of us can have a better experience in the future.

@Gmail Last Name Nobody wants to hear that though. Leno has a couple of Electric Vehicles from the past, one I think is early 1900's. None of them good for long drives or heavy workloads, like the gas powered.

@Steelflex I take frequent long trips. I don't own a home "yet" and park on the street. Tesla compared to my gas car is a nightmare of compromises. You have to pre plan way too much. I have none of these issues with my gas car. Just get in and go. Need gas? 5 mins to fill and off I go for 450 miles before empty with very little change in range under all weather conditions. And lastly my car cost me 25k and my gas bill for the entire year ranges from $1200 to $1800 depending on how much I drive. Your Tesla at best will give 300 miles under perfect conditions which means more stops to make on my long trips increasing the time to destination. With todays gas prices I would have to keep my current car for over 37 years to break even with the cost of a Tesla. In its current state its way too expensive and I prefer to tie up this kind of money in assets that appreciate. If you have take short trips, have deep pockets and lots of patience then Tesla is for you. Good luck.

@Ricardo Rodriguez nothing to overthink… Tesla! Easy!!

@Berner Veliz Toyota started the Prime in 2016 with the Prius. The Prime is now available on the Rav4. So far they have been very reliable.

What do you think are the best hybrids/prime cars in the market so far

I am a usually carfree musician who occasionally rents a car for a gig that's a little further out. One day I showed up to Avis and they said they only had an electric car with a partial charge available, and not knowing how to find charging, I went elsewhere, but did some research that night. The next time it happened, I accepted the EV, only to find that several of the charging stations on the apps I found were either not working, decommissioned (without being updated in the app), or in lots/garages that are not accessible 24/7. I also remember having some kind of issue getting a Chargepoint account set up, as well as the machine not reading my Tap to Pay. Overall a frustrating experience, although I think by now I have it figured out enough for next time. Like you, I am willing to go the extra mile to figure these things out, and I am excited about EVs for sustainability reasons (though I do prefer simply being carfree in a walkable city!). But for regular people who are used to the seamless experience of pumping gas, I could see it being a huge turnoff. With that being said, I'm sure early consumer experiences with gas stations were a mess too!

There also doesn't seem to be much focus on the total cost of charging either. Would be good to see regular updates on your charging experience and the associated costs.

I agree it's far too complicated and requires too much planning ahead for most people. If you have somewhere to charge at home, and you charge up every two or three days depending on how much you drive its simple enough, but as soon as you go on a road trip it gets too unpredictable. You should be able to swipe your credit card, plug in and go. You should not need an account with every network. The charging is also too unreliable. Too often chargers are offline, or randomly disconnect while charging.   I looked seriously at a model 3 three years ago and decided against it. I have been monitoring cars that come out and I am genuinely excited about some of them but the charging networks are still a mess three years later. I dont think it has improved at all in three years. Until it does I am really not interested.

Thank you early adopters for your research and testing. Please let the rest of us know when electric cars are actually ready for purchase

This is spot on. Most of my family members would have one issue with charging electric car and never do it again until there were zero gas cars.

@Fries Apartment owners be damned.

@John Liu Don't they need an adapter to charge at tesla ev charger?

@Paul Shark so you believe the oil company lies? I pay almost $200 in extra registration fees yearly for my EV vs an ice car.. Pays for over 700 in gasoline road taxes. Which is more than I would of paid driving an gas car. As far as the grid is concerned. Buying a car today and worrying about the grid after thecysefull life of the car is nonsense. Do you think that all the ice cars will be Changed to EV overnight?

@John Liu  lol you guys have to pay to use an adapter

Could you imagine if at every gas petrol station there were different sized “proprietary” nozzles for you to fill up. People would need adaptors. It would literally stop many people from buying cars. Which is definitely hurting the electric car right now. Having to set up accounts to pay for parking while charging and paying for charging with everyone having a different app. It’s crazy. Got to be a simpler way. We’ll get there eventually.

Tesla is slowly allowing their stations to be used by Non-Tesla's. The stations have an adapter on the cable already, but if you are able to use an adapter on any type from any station, that would be a game changer. THey also have to do something with the stations that are broken and putting on the apps they are.

OMG spot on with the explaining to older people. suffice it to say I have a lot of experience trying to explain things to older consumers, including ev charging, and the entire process needs to be massively simplified. also, until that can happen, there needs to be some kind of accountability with dealerships too... the amount of people who undoubtedly have bought evs only to have to return them due to lack of public charging infrastructure... I'm sure it's crazy :\

I am glad you posted this video, I watch so many car videos being a gear head and from my research I refuse to by an electric car until the charging infrastructure is solid. I just purchased a new car 3 weeks ago and I never considered electric because I don't want to deal with the charging issues.

Spot on, the charging experience needs so much more work. Often difficult to get public charge, the number of chargers has grown but it in no way has kept up with the growth of EV's in the UK

Nailed it! Exactly the reason I have not pulled the plug on EVs! I just don’t have time to deal with this kind of issues. I’ll let you early adopters deal with these issues and jump in when y’all figure them out for us.

I live and work in Japan and the first thing I notice when I visit Canada or the US is how things that are broken don't get fixed right away. So many things are "out of order" and there is a lack of pride in making sure things are working properly. Wow, since Yahoo featured this video, I am getting loads of messages!

North America is all about profits. We're not very mature over here.

@Mika Hina Oh and their guns. They even have guns made for child-size.

You are exactly right..the govt or auto industry must put a comprehensive video on EV s.

If I say US and Canada are way bigger geographically, that’d be excuses. In general, Japanese people tread carefully on everything which we really need to learn.

Thank you for speaking on this! This forever proves my point and goal to educate people, especially people who are unfamiliar with EVs as we make the transition to electric. It’s no fun if the user experience to charge their car is frustrating.

Yet another reason I'm not ready for an electric car. I commend you on sharing your real world experiences. Glad I found this channel. I only knew of the other.

Yeah, that would frustrate me, especially if you're in an area you're not familiar with and there's no one around to help you.. It would be great if these chargers were at a charger station where there's a convenience store and someone that's there to make sure each charger works and they can assist when the customer has an issue. Plus, they could have a restaurant so people could sit and eat for an hour.

I totally feel your pain! as an electric car owner in the EU. I have encountered the same issue where you will cross your cable to the other slot. but all others you mentioned I never had to deal with I hope this will get better and better so we don't have to think about this! :)

This is so true....I had so many discussions with people about the positives about EV's but then get the response about the charging infrastructure. There's no denying that. Thats a huge problem.

Having to bend the cable in the perfect way so that your car chargers just like I had to do with my old phone charger is just hilarious.

@burnzy3210 I have experienced faulty pumps though, and faulty credit card readers...

Early Chevy SparkEV's & Bolts have this problem. On some chargers, you have to lift up the CCS connector after authenticating until the car starts charging, otherwise the "pre-charge tests" fail.

Like the old phone charger!

@burnzy3210 A faulty pump sensor pump keeps clicking off not filing up gas tank.

@kyoko703 classic Simpsons reference nice

Yes this is true, especially here in Australia where the charging infrastructure is in its infancy. But as time goes by things will get better, once investors realize they can make money from charging stations they will be everywhere. Thanks for bothering to make a video about this. Cheers.

Subscribed. I will probably get an EV despite the challenges. Your channel helps me set realistic expectations. I am retired and love the excitement and convenience of cordless tech.

Although I don't have an electric car, I believe you're absolutely correct. This might be a niche to provide training to new owners of electric cars.

For the Tesla, it seems to me like this kind of problem is easily mitigated by always charging at home. When you get home for any reason, plug it in. Even my old Chevy Volt can do that. But I totally agree that the different charging stations/companies/adapters have made a mess here. My hope is that, like most things, this will be resolved by the market in the coming years.

Thank you for posting this. My very first charging experience was with a Mercedes loaner vehicle. They didn’t have the cable available for me to just charge it at home and by the time I got home I saw that I was going to need to charge so I went to several charging stations in my area All of which were broken. Having range anxiety with my first encounter of using a fully electric vehicle was not great. I’m 100% with you on your point of the charging infrastructure needs to be fixed to keep up with the amount of electric cars that are currently being sold.

This should've been for the main channel. The infrastructure around charging stations is something that really needs to be discussed in depth.

why? He's got 1.3M views on this video so far, in only 4 days... that's pretty good...

I agree. He’s limiting the reach of the content.

@Jason Anderson nobody should be required to use a phone (i.e., “apps”) to charge a car, anymore than gas stations do (i.e., don’t)

@alexpakha people need to charge EVs more often than filling up ICE’s with gasoline

7 different apps on my phone just for public charging networks. Why do they all require an account, with separate balances (and minimum deposits)? Why do none of them, that I have seen, just have a card reader built-in like a every single gas pump? Until I saw this video, I did not know that ChargePoint stations (which tend to be the most reliable in my area) could accept a tap payment without an account.

Absolutely agree with this. I'm tech savvy and should be fine with an EV. But due to the terrible infrastructure issue, it's the main reason why I opted for a new Hybrid over an EV. I like to go on road trips, but I do not want to deal with the hunt for charging station, seeing if the station is functioning, and wait for the car to fill up.

And why does not anyone talk about the RANGE !!! Only a what - couple hundred miles, and you have to find a working charger and stop to charge.... What about that???? So, you have Primitive at best, Charging, Charging Stations, the most abymissmal Range for Batteries, an awful long time, to do the Charging, IF you can find one that works, and works on YOUR EV..... If you ever have to take a few thousand mile drive - one way - and then repeat, the - other way - will this not take many more DAYS to do it ??? Heck yes it will!!!! So your 1 week vacation is really perhaps a 2 week vacation, counting all the stops, charging, waiting for charging, finding charging... I would hate that... No, sorry, the greedy, money grabbers are only pushing out more EV's because they are the popular thing today and that is it... They care not a whit about the "infrastructure", and hope they never see you again... No thanks... :)

I think this is why PHEV is still the sweet spot with the current infrastructure. I'd love to go full EV, but these types of issues (and tbf they're probably the exception to the rule) still push me towards a plug in hybrid for now. Will be looking hard at the 2023 Prius Prime!

I agree. That is why my wife and I will never get rid of our RAV4 Prime.....best of both worlds. Just wish they made them with a fast charging capabilities. The size of battery that comes on the car (18.7kW) would take all of 5 to 10 mins. to charge.

Jeep Wrangler 4xe!!!

@Mike Stanek In California and I think Virginia now, 2035 there will be no more gas stations all electric per current regulations and guidelines.

Psh I'd love to NOT go full EV. I'd love PHEV because most options would allow me to go to work and back on electric only and use gas for further...but, word is they are trying to eliminate PHEV completely and push EV only. Forget all that. I'll just keep driving my little Jetta that gets 30-45 mpg and be totally fine buying gas.

Absolutely true, this is the case in the UK too. We have a growing number of cars but not enough working chargers or spots to charge, if not addressed quickly enough the entire thing could slow sales down in the next few years. Ideally have a fossil car for long range and electric for shorter journeys. The EV situation will improve as time goes by but realistically we are looking at another 5-10 years at least before things start improving.

The other side of that, which they don't tell you, is that the outside temperature also effects your charging capabilities as well as your battery life. Living someplace that has freezing temps in the winter with typically cut your "run time" by more than half. Also, a lot of chargers out there don't work right in the cold. Extreme heat is also bad for charging, & reduces "run time."

Thinking of gas stations and the different experiences you get, around 100 years after they became common, I reckon we have a long way to go. Why governments did not push for charging standards sooner is beyond me.

This is 100% right. Imagine if each manufacturer needed a different gas nozzle.

Or computers and phones had different chargers,,,,,oh

@mannotwiththeplan Sure, business/profit is bad. Got it. Meanwhile, other car manufacturers are paying nothing towards 3rd party chargers. Those networks are getting money from taxpayers, which they use to install chargers that are difficult to use and fail regularly.

@The Real c too Yeah, Tesla came up with it and wants to charge other manufacturers for it. Same with Apple. Both of them sucks.

@rallyguy132321 Yes but you don't have to bring your nozzle with you, and you wont get to a gas stations which does not accept your nozzle, like electric cars

@Chris B DEF has a different nozzle.

I am so happy you put this information out there. This is valuable information for regular people like me who don't understand charging points.

You are so right. It is a serious issue not being addressed by non-Tesla car makers. Shame on them. My Tesla model 3LR avoids a lot of these problems.

This is 100% accurate. As an EV evangelist to my friends and family (and Telsa model 3 owner), I've been making this argument/point for a year now. I have lots of people ask me my opinion on these other various non-Telsa EVs and I always have to explain to them that, while the car may be very good, I just can't recommend any of them to non-techie owners IF they plan on using that vehicle for road trips or if they can't charge at home. Since the public charging infrastructure is not yet a viable (profitable) business model, there's very little incentive for those companies to maintain their charging stations and, because of that, as much as half of them can be offline at any time. And since they aren't integrated in real time to other EVs, you have no way of knowing if they work or not until you get there, plug in, and it fails. This may be changing as Tesla opens up in nearly rock solid Supercharger network to other EVs, but with the cable length issue, that remains to be seen. I really hope that there's some sort of uptime/maintenance SLA attached to the federal funding that is about to be deployed for the national charger buildout here. I'd hate to see companies get money to deploy a huge network and then have them broken and offline half the time a year down the road.

Had a few bad experiences with the infrastructure in specific geo areas, however as an early adopter this forms a part of the journey in my mind 👍🏾.

The combination of this and lower range makes it tough to make the swap from gas to EV. If I’m going to need to recharge regularly for anything more than basic daily driving then I need the confidence in easily found working chargers, just like I know I can find a gas station. This becomes even more important for people living outside major cities and in more rural/small town areas. The EV industry needs to invest in this if they seriously want the general public to adopt their cars.

Imagine if the hose at a gas station sprung a leak. They would instantly fix it before it became an issue. With these chargers they just let them sit broken forever before anyone even attempts to fix it.

@Fran Danco I was once a petroleum transfer technician myself. Pumps break all the time, the counters used to be checked yearly and if they weren't within spec, out of service. Not to mention bad tanks causing the fuel to get contaminated or the fuel contaminating the entire lot for decades after a gas station is torn down. We are aiming for a cleaner future, EVs are a step in the right direction.

@Flying Daytrader -Have you ever owned a gas station??? They do not make money from selling gas, as much as they make money from car repairs...

@Ian Robertson Did you ask your gas station why that pump has been out of service for 5 years??? Perhaps it's now too expensive to fix it??? Perhaps, the station can not justify the cost, because it does not pump that much gas ??? I never see any bad gas pumps... And I was pumping gas in cars when I was 10 years old, at my Dad's gas station...

@Lee This would be great if enough people even cared about this cable....Guess they consulted the computers and they said - uh - no...

@M S Key word you said = pumps....So, there are more than one, right??? So you can go say, down to the next corner and get your gas, right??? I never see any broken gas pumps... Perhaps at those food stations with gas pumps, that is where the issue is the most??

In general, my experiences have been very good only using the Tesla net work. You are right, some of the free charging stations have given me problems, and you basically have to just give up. Even though my experiences with Tesla charging have been nearly flawless, they haven’t been completely flawless. The few times that I have had issues, it’s not clear if you should continue to try to make the charging station work or if you should just move on. No one wants to have to try to connect with support to figure out what the issue might be there should be more transparency around, any issues that arise. Tesla cars are probably smart enough to report any problems back to the mothership but who knows if that’s really the case. Yes, charging networks are going to use us to report problems, then they should offer a finders fee if you report an issue or if your car reports a charging error. They really should let you know when you pull in not to use a certain station or if someone has disconnected early recently. I love the Tesla’s now remind you not to park next to someone if at all possible but there can be a lot of improvement, such as guiding you to a specific stall, if they know someone is almost done, charging or, if your session fails, and you obviously need more charge, you should get priority to move to another stall that is going to become vacant. Basically, when you arrive, your car should let you know exactly where to park and what to do if there is a problem.

😂 when he showed that clip of his car charging it reminded me of when I try to charge my phone with a bad cord and I got to angle it just right to get it to charge 😂 I can only imagine trying to do that with a 80,000 dollar car

Great video, but leaving in Canada, always thinking about using electrical vehicles in extreme cold weather. Including charging and day to day driving. Will be interesting to see from you guys, a test drive of electrical vehicles in different climate zone.

So true! I still remember the first time I was given a PC at work with Window 2.1 and without any training I minimized the screen and didn't know what to do to get it back and called tech support! So I understand the technology to the neophyte challenges!

Thank you for bringing awareness to this kinds of issues. Tech should be easy to learn and do. There’s no need to make technology so hard.

I love it that you and Stradman are bringing attention to this issue at the same time. That's definitely the next big obstacle for EVs to get to mass adoption.

@Rockford Electrify america refuses to use it despite having dual cables on their chargers. The whole point of the dual cables is to have two different plugs, but EA installed two CCS plugs to avoid "helping tesla out". EVgo started to use it on their 50kw chargers and hopefully will add it to their 150kw chargers soon.

@Patrick O do you know who is not using NACS?

@Muskar You're the one with the false data. 1) You claim 20% reduction in range isn't extreme, but IT IS NOT 20%, that's a lie. Some EVs see a 40% reduction. You, yourself, admitted to a case where it's 50%. The fact remains, EVs do extremely poorly in cold weather. No amount of your intentionally misleading tripe is going to change that. 2) There is NO rebate. That's a lie. There's a tax credit, but you have to pay that much in taxes to claim the credit. Poor people don't pay that much so they don't benefit from this HORRIBLY regressive tax credit. You're being dishonest by claiming the credit applies to the people who need it the most. That's anti-civil. 3) The Tesla Model 3 is in no way comparable to any new BMW. A more fair comparison would be to a Toyota Prius Prime, a car that starts at $29K. The Model 3 accelerates a bit faster, but that's all. On all other measures the Tesla comes out well behind. 4) You are lying when you claim that EVs have comparable prices. They don't. 5) I accuse you of lying because you ARE lying. The trouble for you, Muskar, is that anyone can look up your false statements and immediately know that you are the one who is lying. By the way lying, like you do, is one of the least civil things a person can do.

​@Mark Meridian That's a strawman. I've never said 20% across the board. And then you're accusing me of not realizing that 50% is not 20%? Your reasoning makes no sense. Don't make assumptions about what I do and don't understand when you can't even comprehend/remember what I wrote. As for the pricing, I am surprised you found a BMW 3 series for $41k in CA. BMW's own website says the 2023 330i starts at $55k. I admit I believed that was a good approximation since the difference was similar to the difference in Denmark. But with some more digging I found San Diego's dealer starts at $47k (before discounts) and Car&Driver claims $44.8k. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and pretend that your $41k is an actual number and not just a misquoted figure found on a quick search result. Now, let's return to the Model 3 RWD figure I quoted: $35,990. That's after the $7,500 rebate. I'm sorry that wasn't obvious. Regardless, even if you ignore the rebate, it's still $43490 and even with your $41k that's still nowhere near the $15+k you posted. Also, how did you get $63k? Model 3P with most expensive options and EAP? Comparably if I configure an M340i xDrive Sedan with all options on BMWUSA I get an MSRP of $71k. I'm sure you can find it cheaper, but my point is still about your $15k+ remark which you continue to ignore. Perhaps you're accusing me of lying all the time because you're the one lying. Regardless, you're clearly not interested in having a civil discussion. So, take care and goodbye.

Totally correct! The jump the American car brands are making to all electric seems to be far too early for how behind the charging experience is.

Yeah as an EV owner, I agree. Things will get better. Early adoption is tough. I'm fortunate that I charge in my garage but eventually have to use a public charger and this would be very frustrating.

Great article, this is a massive issue in the U.K. historically the U.K. had over 20 designs of plug sockets before standardisation… it’s early days

Great video. Please make a longer one on just the same topic. More comprehensive. Thanks for the education, we really appreciate your efforts.

I totally agree with what he says in this video. The public charging experience is slowly getting better. EVgo has introduced a payment system option that works just like Tesla chargers. You just plug the car in and it starts charging and will automatically charge the credit card linked to that car. No app needed. There is still a lot of work to do on public chargers to make them easy to use and more robust so they don't break down so often.

MKBHD has really grown into a remarkable well balanced voice for the masses.

@Brett Sherman the kiss

​@Brett Sherman say the time Tesla was trying to get help and support to build our it's infrastructure, all the big boys were openly against EVs. This Tesla is so far ahead and had but far the bigger network

@Glen Tesla knew they were going to be forced to change to CCS in Europe, so they didn’t want to pay to retrofit all their cars in the future. The Tesla supercharging network is closed to non-Tesla vehicles. All talk about opening it up is hot air so far. So I’m not sure how this protectionism is “doing something” But taking a broader view, building the charging infrastructure should not be done by manufacturers, the incentives are just wrong. I will give Tesla full credit for creating the Supercharger network to make long range EV travel possible. But times have changed.

@Zedus 1982 The Tesla charger is superior, but unfortunately they didn’t open it up to other manufacturers so it forced the development of CCS. An inferior universal standard always beats a superior proprietary one.

Loved that he sat in the car to explain a story even though he didn’t have to

I really enjoyed this video! I don't own an electric car or even have a car, but what mkbhd talked about is really an important issue that needs to be addressed by electric car manufacturers! Electric car charging should be simplified and made as simple as just going to the fuel station and feeling up your car with fuel and also put an end to the finicky jerky and Jimmy it adaptors! I believe all electric cars should have the same charging nozzles just like all Android phones! And I think it's even better if a government policy is put in place to make this happen even faster! This is serious guys! Pls!

You nailed the whole point about having the charging infrastructure as easy to use as possible. Car manufacturers just need to agree on one standard for everything.

Never happen.

What you describe in this video is part of a recurring theme encountered elsewhere (e.g.: "Scan & Go" apps that require way too many steps to set up, and then end up working less reliably than a hand-held scanner designed to scan bar codes), where the new tech "solution" is far less easy & convenient than the one it's supposed to replace.

Stradman posted a similar video a couple weeks ago where he had trouble charging his Hummer and several different chargers. He actually had to get towed to a different charging station that didn't work and had to get a hotel overnight because it got so late. It seems so frustrating.

It would honestly be so cool if you would do a "State of electric vehicle charging infrastructure" (working title) video once a year just to provide some historic context as to how the infrastructure is progressing over the year. The video probably wouldn't do that great, but I still think it would be cool.

@Scott Roth Especially in countries like Indonesia where we're bankrolling tons of money on EVs and yet the infra doesn't keep up. Worse, most home electricity isn't enough for charging

@Zaydan Alfariz That's unfortunately true.

Good idea!

Depends on country honestly

I plan on moving to a larger city soon and the thought crossed my mind of eventually having an EV. However, I decided it would really depend on the infrastructure at that time. As the infrastructure stands, I can't see myself getting one. I'm in Canada where towns are farther apart. I wish it would make sense for me, but it just doesn't at the moment.

Totally agree, my 79 year old mom loves her 2022 Model Y performance, but she would struggle at the chargers if I had not set up the account and we also have a Tesla Home Charger Installed with 33m/hr charge. She used to race autocross and its like she loves driving again, now i just have to worry about her getting speeding tickets...lol. Great subject!!!

You raised some excellent points here. I can't imagine my own mother trying to change an electric vehicle... I think that manufacturers should come together and create a "standard " charge system.

The Tesla charging port should be the standard port since they’re already way ahead.

You are a good guy for helping others keep up the great work and I look forward to your next video.

I got my Kia Niro 2 years ago and I was quite pleased with the charging situation on the motorway in the UK. Now is absolutely crazy. The number of the chargers didn't change but everywhere you stop now there are at least two other cars waiting to carge. It is absolutely crazy how much anxiety you go through if you have a plane to catch. Not fun at all. Luckily I don't have any issues with the range in town

I'm one of those rare EV owners that has zero ability to charge at home. I rely 100 percent on public chargers. This video is really important and I agree 100 percent.

@XXXJ Nice, you are lucky. Here I cannot do that, the parking building is separate and I am not allowed to park anywhere close enough for that. Also the HOA guy hates evs and rants about "the liberals and their electric cars" everytime I bring it up. I had an electrician assess the parking building and it would be extremely expensive to run a new main to upgrade the building. This is the case with a lot of older condo setups like this.

@Adrian not imagining because gas stations are everywhere in reality. In fact I don't care about your EV issue.

@RagingAzian now imagine the gas stations you rely on…well there are only 2 in your whole city, and only 3 pumps are working at each site, and the they may or may not have an adapter for you to fuel up, and it might take up to an hour to charge, and there might be a line. Your witty response to the original comment fails to see the fucked up infrastructure that he has to deal with.

I feel bad for you, what an effing pain.

You can try to run an extension cord to charge overnight at the apartment if is not a long distance and or the owner allows you to do that. Here where I live apartments now are letting people charge the car at night,

Glad to hear you try to use a non Tesla charger once in a while. These chargers need to be used occasionally and reported if they are not working properly. Tesla owners seem to have the most EV charging experience and can identify problems that need to be addressed by other charger providers.

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Well, after my first time commenting on one of your other videos, where you helped the guy in the other truck, YouTube is offering your videos to me now. 👍 Yes, I definitely subscribed. The problem in the cable that you showed was broken wires inside. One problem I am seeing in various parts of California is, people driving gas powered cars are parking in electric vehicle charging stations because they are closer to the store. Police are not doing anything about it. There are no signs posted for fines like you would see for Handicapped parking slots.

Same here in the UK. Shameless charging infrastructure. Once you get out of the main cities good luck to you finding any (working) charging point. It sometimes feels like a lottery.

💯 agree. In India chargers are popping up everywhere but reliability and ease of use is nowhere 😞

This is 100% true. Charger not working for no reason is the worst problem I've had.

This happened to my father in 2021. He leased a Polestar, and he loved it to bits, he was always excited to take me for a ride or show it off to his friends. He drove it all the time around the city, but he's also the type of person who loves doing 1 day road trips, driving 200 miles in a day sometimes. Obviously he had planned for charging along the way, but 9 times out of 10 a charger was broken, or the charging speed was horribly slow. And after 2 months he got fed up with the thing. Even though he loved it so much, he ended up rolling over the lease to a gas Volvo...

@V P Yes. In the mean time buy a Tesla and you don't have to worry about any of this.

@YouTube deleted My Account LMAO 1. No, there are public chargers that are easy to use. You either leave the car on an AC charger overnight, or go to a fast charger that's next to a shopping mall, and it'll charge up by the time you finish. 2. A car is about infinitely more convenient than public transportation, especially in bad weather. Plus it's not always available. And if you use public transportation all the time, why do you even own a car?

Lol imagine showing off a lease...

@András Bíró We should not have to install a dozen different apps and make a spreadsheet just to take a road trip in an EV. We want them to be successful but they need to seriously address usability and dependability.

EV only make sense if you can charge it at home. And if you are at home.. just freaking ride public transport lmao

You are correct. Many stories exist about EV charging nightmares, often the stations in the area not working or "sort of" working. Having all things app and cloud based is very sketchy. The maintenance on EVs is also an expensive nightmare.

I think it is clear that governments, industry, and regulators need to get together to make some industry standards around electric vehicles and charging. They need to standardize things like the cables, so no one needs adapters and set a build quality standard for the chargers. Even things like what part of the car the charging port is on should be standardized.

Totally agree. I pretty much only charge at home overnight. The electric car is the 2nd car in the family, and it is perfect for that, but we are not ready to go to two electric cars.

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"I got take out because I wanted it" You don't have to justify what you're having for lunch 🤣 Great video!

Reliability with EV charging is a hassle, especially if you’re in a pickle and need to charge ASAP. However, my experience so far in my first three weeks of owning an EV hasn’t been all that bad. I got myself a 2015 Nissan leaf and I do find myself having to charge constantly. There’s only been one time when I had to charge in a public place where the charger wasn’t working. But because I live in a heavily populated city, access to public chargers are always readily available. I mostly charge at my local mall and at this solar energy station and there are always spots open. Best of all is that these places are free to charge! I’ve only had to pay 3 times for DC quick charging with Electricify America chargers but even then I would pay and average of $3 dollars per charge. I guess it all boils down to knowing public spots and planning ahead of time.

And having to deal with the measly mileage range your Leaf give you... Wonder how long and how much that battery pack costs and lasts ???

As Google Maps is adding more EV features into app, they should add a star rating system for chargers and include that data in route recommendations. The charger manufacturers could also look at that data to help determine which chargers really need something fixed.

This is what the PlugShare app is for, but yes it would be better if it was integrated into Google Maps for convenience.

@Triton 64 pretty sure it was a joke lol

@dnegel  no where near enough power can go through a USB adapter

You don't have to do that with gas cars though. It's a band-aid at best.

@jane blogs except. it wasnt charging soooo no

You have a great point. I doubt places with chargers do any maintenance on their charger either. Maybe non Tesla chargers should just be a plug and you bring your own cable. Make them the standard 220V outlets.

I really want my next car to be a full EV, but the charging infrastructure is just isn't there to ease my range anxiety so I'm gonna take some baby steps instead and researching PHEV vehicle for my next car purchase

Just get a Prius. They have the best build quality of nearly all hybrids. And the 2023 one looks better.

Nailed it. I currently have an i3 and X5-40e. Finding a reliable charger that I have an account for can be a challenge. I currently have about 5 different charging station accounts. Problems I see are:: broken chargers. Insufficient number of chargers and far too many different companies that simply do not accept credit cards for payment. We love our i3 and use it as often as possible. For long trip however, we use the X5 and plug it in when we can. Until the industry addresses charger availability/reliability I will probably stick with one hybrid plug-in to avoid range/charging anxiety. Great video!

Completely agree, the charging experience is as important as the car itself. This is the biggest downside to EV ownership. I live in NJ with plenty of chargers around. But when I take longer trips, I need to plan VERY carefully about where my charging stops are along the way. I've run into multiple situations where chargers were broken or just not working. To make matters worse, most manufacturers offer free charging for x amount of time (which sounds like a good thing). Volkswagen, for example, offers 3 years free at Electrify America stations. The result is a lot of drivers who live close to Electrify America stations use the free service instead of charging at home, resulting in longer lines for the chargers that work. It needs to be much more simple and much more available.

Many thanks for telling us this story and bringing honesty to an issue that most ppl that do not have an EV are aware off before buying one. 👍👍👍 BTW, looks like the bird may be tired and needs to recharge as well.⚡⚡⚡💥

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This genuinely ruffled my feathers. I know the frustration of trying to explain technology to my parents. And I know the pain Marques went through.

@UberTech And they still won't get it so you wasted your time. Its better just to fix the problem yourself for them and just explain the base level stuff and leave all the technical info out.

Explaining and teaching a skill you need to practice. You need to realize that they did not grow up with this technology so they are just as frustrated as you are. Everyone learns differently but what usually helps is to separate things into bullet points, show them how to do it first, then have try it themselves one or two times. Referencing older technology sometimes helps. "Oh its like plugging in a VCR", at least when it comes to setting up a desktop, monitor and keyboard, lol.

@Vincent Lim person?

@Vincent Lim lol

I test drove a model y a couple days ago, and the sales associate just said, “it’s simple”. I’m no stranger to tech, but learning to drive with one pedal in one minute is not simple. I can’t imagine the rest 😂

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I own the MINI SE I bought it a year ago. I bought it even knowing that the infrastructure in Texas is horrible, and I charge on a level one at home every night. The infrastructure needs to and has to improve but one thing for sure is the lack of patience in general and consideration and even care we give in the US like one of your other peeps commented from Japan. I do see improvement from just one year and hope things will only get better as the gasoline companies I feel are only gauging the American consumer because of the lack of options.

Great points in this video - can you please cover what will happen to the hundreds of thousands car batteries when they can no longer hold a charge. Thanks !

They can be recycled, same as lead acid batteries can. May not be many recyclers at the moment but capacity will increase as more old batteries get removed. They'll be made into new batteries.

This is one reason why I didn't get a full EV. Aside from wheelchair accessibility, every time I looked at the PlugShare app, I kept seeing notes that the station wasn't working or it was out of service. I didn't want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere because a station didn't work. I went plug in hybrid instead and that has worked out better.

The charging infrastructure is becoming a huge talking point by a lot of youtubers. I realized this after owning Tesla’s for years and then got a Bolt for daily commuting. I tried to roadtrip my Bolt less than 500kms and it was not enjoyable. I really can only suggest one brand to friends.

@PinoyAmerican Adventures all the Tesla superchargers will support all the cars very soon. So that supercharger network will very soon not be the plus point for teslas.

@bubbledoubletrouble Some Superchargers.

@XLoaferY No, it doesn't you sound like a person that does not have an electric car.

@bubbledoubletrouble and I think you have that advantage in europe for quite some time cause Tesla knows maintenance and such will go up once other brands can use their stations. I don't see any reason why it hasn't already happened at least in beta hell I'd be happy to see it roll out in major cities to start at least.

@PinoyAmerican Adventures In Europe Tesla uses CCS connectors, and drivers of other brand cars (with CCS, so not LEAFs) can charge their vehicles at Superchargers.

Amen. Need more awareness of the whole experience on EVs. The laggards that need to be brought mainstream.

Agreed. Time. Still early in this transition. At least you didn't end up on Info Wars. Or maybe you did? Would be nice to see someone put together a vid on the challenges Electrify America had when VW was mandated to build a national EV charging system here in the US. Good story there. Appreciate what you do.

Oh, man... I so so SO agree with this. I live in an apartment now, and it doesn't have electric charging. Zef, ChargePoint, Tesla Supercharger all nearbye. Some are only available certain times of day, some don't work all the time, some haven't worked for months, some charge for some users but not others, its an absolute mess.

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The one charger that needs to be in the right spot to charge the car reminds me of the broken iPhone charger that only works in one position that you have to figure out 😂

This is why I love my RAV4 XSE Hybrid - I'm getting in the 40s with mpg under the right circumstances, but NONE of the charging woes \ range anxiety etc.

The finicky charging where you need to twist the cable really reminds me of the time when everyone had wired headphones and at some point the sound cuts, so you start twisting the wire around your phone to find a working “angle”. Let’s hope soon there will be a solution!

@Kalvinjj nah that one is inductive, they even put an ice block to prove even in snow conditions it doesn't affect the charge... Fully charged show already make a video about it and several other ev channel also already make video about them...

@alphaxfang That would be pretty impressive, I wonder if it's just a contact shoe dock-like thing instead of inductive, trains and trams take power like that after all, this way it gets charged while parked and you don't need a cable but still metal contacts. Would make sense.

@Kalvinjj well that is what they claim, as good as cable (93% or something can't quite remember) not 100% lossless... The efficiency number is pretty high unlike QI wireless charging... Well i hope that is real and it can end the plug problem in ev...

@Kalvinjj yea but where is the money in not forcing people to replace the whole charger cable :D.

it's called a broken cable.

Always enjoy your take on technology etc! Informative and valuable to know! 👍

I tend to agree with you highly on the charging aspect. I work in the tech field for a living, and found this issue when I picked up a rental and it was a plug in hybrid. 1. Didn't come with the 110V adapter (would have been nice for AirBNB rental) 2. When I did 'finally' attempt to charge this (Charge Point in Canada), finding a charging station nearby wasn't exactly easy, but doable (Google Maps) - not known for everyone under every circumstance 3. Charging 'network' - There were a few different charging network stations nearby, I ended up with Chargepoint near Starbucks/Chapters book store (closed). This wasn't too bad. 4. Creating an account on the fly - this wasn't great but doable. 5. Using the Chargepoint station + app - showed available, but wouldn't run. Called Charepoint - who claimed it was 'down'. 6. Went to the 'next' chargepoint station ... wouldn't run got the same rep (go figure), who remotely unlocked the charger after about 30 minutes of attempts 7. Tier 2 was 'free' for 2 hours with $5 setup. OK... Very slow 8. This minivan has only a 16kWh battery, if I'm not mistaken which takes ~2 hours to charge (32 mile range) Converting to ~MPG and cost... $5/gallon effectively. At the same time, gas at the station was slightly more, but would take ~2 minutes vs 2 hours. This was NOT a good push for EV EV's are decent (I prefer hybrid/plugin right now), but are best suited for those that can charge at home, and make their most use driving the commuter cycle / grocery getter cycle. Those using for vacation rental may find the searching / timing of charging a hinderance.

As designer, this video will help me and my team a lot!! Thanks

Great video. Iam excited for my first electric vehicle. I'm forward thinking, and open minded... my best guess is I'm 7-10 years away from my first one. Price, infrastructure, value. Getting everyone on a overloaded electric grid all at once is not going to work.