What if they threw a curveball and killed the entire cast, and only left max alive (who’s crippled, blind, and traumatized)

Head Canon: The Upside Down is a Backrooms level created by broogli

Then it would be full circle to the other blind guy right? Make her go absolutely insane and lock her up and end the season early. Bc atp idgaf anymore

That would be insane💀

@Jacob Grimm facts, it’s the same “have your cake and eat it too” garbage. I’ve seen speculation that they shot the finale with multiple endings where each of the plot lines succeeded or failed, and went with whichever got the best reception. I was really hoping that they’d have the balls to kill off Steve or max, as much as that would have sucked. It would make the idea that Eleven “lost” more legit. In every respect besides the gate being open, she won, and until the very last scene the gate seems to be closed too.

That would be so fucked😭 just boy in the striped pajamas type of ending

One thing I liked particularly about the Hawkins group was that they didn’t have eleven to fix all their problems they had to be creative and really think about the plans that they made

@Peter Film I loved the 4th season because they had 11 doing the heavy lifting but WITH the help of everybody else. That's how you include everyone, but making narrative sense (with 11 being at the spotlight, as she was first introduced).

@Ricardo Fermé u dislike s4 then? they write the narrative yk. smh....

@Peter Film sorry, something I forgot to mention... Vecna is alive. So if anybody is praising his death then they haven't watched the 4th season.

@Peter Film well, that would go against every narrative element established thus far.

@Ricardo Fermé u mean like....s4....the part as I said everyone is praising ? yes.....

I love how he straight up forgot to mention Mike, Will, and Jonathan's bit. I think that's appropriate cause it was so forgettable

@Lebowski as a stoner I find him annoying yet endearing.

Argyle best character in the show ong

@Ricardo Fermé Yeah, I agree. I hope his role is good in Season 5.

@Amna "A lot of people think Mike is acting weird because of repressed feelings/confusion about his sexuality, which is a plausible theory even if some people reject it. But it might explain his weird behaviour and acting like a dick to Will, and sometimes others. It’s interesting even if it’s just a theory." This would be interesting and would retroactively fix his attitude in season 4. In regards to Johnathan... it's not like I hate him, but I believe they don't really know too well on what to do with him. His chemistry with Nancy was good and fun to watch. But season 4 was like a big meh. At least to me. Which sucks because the actor is good.

@Ricardo Fermé Jonathan is a good character and such a caring brother. I also think his relationship with Nancy in Seasons 1 and 2 was really good, and I usually find onscreen romances boring and cliche’-d. He and Mike just had a bad season… Mike’s role this season was pretty bland, and I found him unlikeable in Season 3 too. It’s sad because Mike’s character seemed pretty interesting in season 1. I dont even understand how they fucked him up, he gave “main character” vibes as the leader of the party. Will telling Mike he was the “heart” would have rung true in Season 1/2, but made me cringe in season 4. But the Duffer Brothers have said that they will return to Season 1 pairings in Season 5, which hopefully means Mike having more of a role now that everybody’s back in Hawkins. I really think they need to reduce Robin, Nancy and Steve’s screentime (i like them but its coming at the expense of other characters) and let the actual party and eleven shine. A lot of people think Mike is acting weird because of repressed feelings/confusion about his sexuality, which is a plausible theory even if some people reject it. But it might explain his weird behaviour and acting like a dick to Will, and sometimes others. It’s interesting even if it’s just a theory.

The biggest problem with this season is that the show is feeling formulaic. New likable character gets introduced that gets killed off by the end, and by the power of friendship eleven finds the motivation to stop the bad guy. That’s basically been the formula for the last 3 seasons of the show

@Hi Everybody twas ketamine. "special K"

@Thomas Raines also I don't remember the exact line but he mentioned snorting at some point when she was at his place

@sp0ngeb00b the russian plot is so messed up, its problably the thing i hate the most about this show 😭 like in season one they mentioned russians and stuff but in season three it just got out of hand, now in season four it was all just nonsense like why is it there

@Hi Everybody oh.

@Thomas Raines No, but it was a white powder in a plastic bag.

Caleb's acting during Max's death was phenomenal

@Dyl oh shit my b but she actually doesn't die anyway

@A would love to see you perform better @ me when you get a role on stranger things

@The Story Art no you’re good lol it’s definitely my fault😂

@Dyl Duuuuude! Never watch videos on something you haven't finished or you'll most likely get spoiled. And definitely don't read the comments!!! That really sucks that you were spoiled. Sorry, man.

No way I just checked the comments before watching the finale🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲

I feel like killing Eddie was a mistake. Not because he was liked by the audience or such but that it was too predictable. Like people knew he was gonna die just by knowing that he’s a new character.

Well because they've killed off his equivalent every season. Yes Eddie's death is sad but it's not as sad when you realize they did the same thing with Barb, Bob and Alexei.

and the sacriffice doesn't make a lot of sense

He shouldn’t have died made no sense it was an unesscary sacrifice

Also I don't even understand why he sacrificed himself like that. There was literally no point. They could've just covered up the hole from the other side

The one thing I kinda hated this season was everyone and their mother saying Nancy and Steve needed to get back together LIKE WE ALREADY FINISHED THIS SUBPLOT 2 SEASONS AGO

​@safc joe Like if it was from a friend perspective, I would totally believe that. And it's not like Steve's dream is a bad one. On the contrary. Given his growth up until this point it makes sense that Steve would want to be a father and he would be a wonderful one. But him pressuring Nancy into being the one that gives him that dream is really unfair and dishonorable, two things Steve grew out of years ago.

@Sophie Amanda Leiton Toomey yeah the friend zone is totally appropriate for these two. Even if he does open up about his goals, he should do it on a friend level.

​@safc joe No I'm seriously pissed that this was Steve's storyline. Steve for me is absolutely ruined in season 4. The fact that he is STILL pining for Nancy goes against everything he has learned up until this point. He has learned to be honorable, kind and who he is outside of being the cool kid. He's also evolved in what he wants in life. And what do the Duffer brothers make him do? Come on to a woman in a relationship, one he hasn't spoken to in an entire season, and projects his dreams onto her, a person who has made it very clear she doesn't want to end up like her mom. If this was the real Steve, he would A. be over Nancy, and B. Never come onto her while she's in a relationship with someone else.

@Sophie Amanda Leiton Toomey literally take out the nancy/steve romance and it changes nothing. After all, Nancy admired Steve for his goals and how much he's grew as a person. Steve literally said he found someone better in s3(Robin) now all of a sudden he wants Nancy? I mean tbf he said if he had changed before he met Nancy maybe they would've made it but idk I feel bad for Jonathan.

Oh my god. My least favorite part about this season was this pushing of Steve and Nancy to get back together. Remember this line? "We like Steve. But we don't LOVE Steve." Everyone and the Duffer Brothers: We just kinda forgot.

I really liked the idea of the basketball star being an antagonist, and wished they had done more with it. It was just refreshing to see the normal people of the town incorporated into the plot and hope to see more of that in the next season. Personally, a cult of town members that are aligned with Vecna or the basketball star dosen't sound too bad.

@Joshua Kang I would be 110% ok with the series ending with like a space jam basketball game. I want to see vecna snatch someone’s ankles like he’s kyrie

@Steven Bobby Bills you know that death doesn’t matter in stranger things

Yeah, personally I thought that jock dude was a more intimidating presence that veccna

@Jared Silvers can you tell me what awful thing Jason did, at worst he just beat up lucas and try to capture Eddie because he believe Eddie brutally murder that girl he was in love with. also to Jason everything about the hellfire club seem to fit with the idea of a satanic cult. lets just look at things from this perspective, first his girlfriend is found murder in the house of Eddie. then he see one of his friends levitating and murder right before his eyes while chasing Eddie. then he see Max in a trance while lucas is there in what it looks like some freaking ritual. also lucas gave wrong info to Jason and broke his trust by leaving him. if anything if you look it through Jason's perspective the hellfire club is suspicious as all hell.

I still love the show despite its flaws. I feel people forget you can love something that is still flawed.

@Bill Roberts Better Call Saul is literally airing. Speaking of perfect- Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Wire, Better Call Saul are the things which almost are. ST isn't even close to that, but I still enjoy ST

Exactly! The guy in the video kept saying "it isn't perfect" and I kept thinking "NAME ONE SHOW THAT IS!" Compared to most of what's available streaming these days, ST is one of the best things to come out. I eat up every season.

People love Stranger Things. The evidence is everywhere.

@Youri Vreman especially Star Wars, istg Star Wars “fans” forget they’re fans sometimes 😭

star wars for example

When they killed Max right after Eddie I was seriously impressed that they had the balls to do that… then of course they backtracked. If they wait until the last season to actually start killing the kids, that’ll be annoying.

I don’t mind that actually, I think it’s fine that max was saved by el. The issue is that they did like 3 FAKE OUT DEATHS WITH HER. First she almost died but escapes from Vecna. Good scene very powerful. But one thing I noticed when rewatching s4, is that they basically do the same thing with max twice. She’s about to get the ol bone snap death but then sees her happy moments and survives. Anyways, she almost died in the prom scene but then escapes. Then Vecna gets her anyways and is about to kill her but no she is dropped before he can snap her jaw and splat her eyes. Then she dies anyways. Then El saves her. But no Max’s mind might be gone as shown in the scene where El couldn’t find her so she’s basically dead anyways. It was too many fake outs for me.

They said seaosn 5 will be seaosn 1 length and more like that and when Henry kills he takes everything from them including memories so my guess is that max will be saved like will in season 1 and will wake up by the end and to get her memories back they have to kill Henry or make him give them back or something

@Nonetute I know that, but "if you fight as hard as you can and have friends supporting you, you can survive but you're entire life will be ruined" isn't particularly uplifting or helpful

@awesome gaymer she’s obviously coming out of this alive. If they wanted her dead they would’nt have put her in a coma.

@Glacier idk. I feel like what did actually end up happening to max isnt exactly sending a better message if this is supposed to be a metaphor for overcoming mental illness

I like how they marketed this sesaon with "We're not in hawkins anymore" just to have the hawkins part be pretty much the only good part in this season lol.

I agree with you mostly it was defo the best plot line this season. El's and Hoppers were meh the first time I watched them but they grew on me after(Eleven's still went on too long in episode 5 to be specific tho)

I actually really liked Hopper’s story in Season 4. His character definitely changed for the better, and it’s cool that the kids couldn’t rely on the adults like before. If any storyline dragged and felt mostly inconsequential, it was Mike, Will, Jonathan and Argyle’s.

@Mukke 97 Agree! Jonathan was a peculiar interesting dude but now he's just a stoner whom his friend Argyle had more impact than him this season.

@scoople6 Season 3 was especially annoying.

Ditto on Hopper. I've really disliked his character shift into a loud angry beligerent man in season 2 and 3. In season 4 he seems far more humbled now and I'm excited to see how that character growth impacts his interactions with el and the rest of the kids.

@Steven Bobby Bills Exactly. If a character is only there for one memorable moment (the conversation between him and Will was that) then the character shouldn’t be there. Same goes for Argyle and basically the whole Russia subplot, although this is a slightly different case (see above). Splitting them up was generally a good idea, but it was done not as good as the rest of this season, which was nothing short of spectacular.

@TheShanicpower he was completely insufferable.

I honestly wanted them to kill off more main characters. It requires a lot of suspension of disbelief when the characters are constantly facing life threatening situations and only likeable side characters get killed off Not a single main character from the first season in the show has died and we only have one season left. With the stakes getting higher and higher every season, that's kinda weird ngl

@Enoch I agree

@Malum I not asking for the god damn purge, but at the same don't fake kill main characters every season. Like if don't kill a character that's fine, but don't pretend to and bring them back later and expect the fans to cheer. That shit is corny. It kind of takes away from the emotion and consequence of their supposed deaths.

i think the constant desire by certain audiences to see main characters die is a juvenilely cynical way to consume media. i can't for the life of me see what could be gained by the series killing off any of the main boys for example. i feel like the incessant need for that kind of tragedy only stands to satisfy people who get hardons at goreflicks.

@Rohan Nambiar if she wakes up in season 5 then it would be interesting to see how she copes with being blind and paralysed

@Enoch I didn't want max to die either, but they seem to have a habit of pretending to kill the main cast and continue to expect us to get emotional about it. Like what is the point if you are just going to bring them back anyway. If you are going kill max, then kill max. Putting her in a coma doesn't make me feel worried, like she'll probably be fine by the end of season 5.

Can we all just agree that Eddie playing Master of Puppets is the most badass scene in the series?

@nikkahn immediately an 2 hours later are very different things

The scene is so disappointing... They spliced Master of Puppets in such a way that it sounds horrible.

Also when hopper kills chops up a demogorgon and Nancy shoots vecna

Hell yeah

@J.R. Wall maybe he recorded it off the radio ? I used to do that when I was a teen, chase down songs off the radio and record them on cassettes. But it was in late 90's-early 00's

I love what the Russia plot did for Hopper's character, it was really introspective and sad, but I don't like the setting it had to happen in, it took a lot away from the pacing

@safc joe agreed. In addition to it giving Hopper more to work with as an individual character, it's also good to see what impact the existence of the Upside Down outside of Hawkins, and having another country, one so directly opposed to the US at the time, even, works wonders for really showing the scale of the problem. If the Soviet Union is also trying to understand and "contain" the Upside Down and its monsters, it makes it seem like a far larger threat than if it were just one small town in the vein of Nowheresville, USA being affected.

I agree with this, all of Hopper and Enzo's scenes were fine for me.

I was disappointed with Eddie’s death, it didn’t really seem like he HAD to make a sacrifice and then Dustin’s reaction felt a little forced to me. Overall the finale left me feeling like it didn’t deliver as well as I wanted it to.

My biggest problem is I knew they were going to do it because they killed Bob and Alexei who were newer characters in their seasons. Yes Eddie’s death is sad but it’s not that sad when you remember they’ve done this to characters before.

I agree with the first part

@oreemmanuel yeah :( like there wasn’t a real way out for him. Defeating the monster isn’t going to make everyone think he’s not an insane murderer

I enjoyed his character but he'd still be a Deadman walking since literally outside the main cast and Eddie's uncle....everyone wants him dead which sucks

I was definitely feeling like the show outstayed it's welcome after season 3 and wasn't particularly excited for this season, originally I only planned on watching season 4 because I knew it would be talked about a lot online, but I was actually pretty surprised. I enjoyed this season because I feel like it relied a lot less on nostalgia baiting and really put the focus on the mystery and the characters. I also think the show GREATLY benefits from having an actual villain with a background and motivation rather than having it just be nameless monsters

That and I feel like this show, The Boys and Moon Knight are the few anticipated shows that did not disappoint this year. This year had Umbrella academy s3, Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi and all did not live up to its hype

I didn’t really like Vecna but to each there own I’m glad you liked the season 💪

@ben Yeah, vecna is objectively the better villian, but I just really like the mind flayer, and its design, and it being like an eldritch god thing, and it possessing will

@ben I've said this many times, the mind flayer has a cool design and abilities but it's motivations seemed meh in s2 and 3 but thankfully Vecna is the big bad. It makes them seasons feel that tiny bit better for me.

@Nicholas Leeflang I mean the demogorgon was a nice mystery for season 1 but imo the mind flayer was really boring as an antagonistic force because it had no character or discernable motive and it felt like a really detached presence to me

Best season since season 1 for sure. They should’ve just committed and killed off a main character instead of killing Eddie but it was still an epic season and Vecna is easily the best villain of the show.

I thought lucas and max might die in season 4

Eddie could have filled the void of like Dustin or Steve, which could have been a poignant death that impacted the whole show and all it’s fans

@naturalbridge I didn't think they would kill Eddie either. Kind of sucked...I really enjoyed the energy his character brought to the show and filled a niche that didn't take away from anyone else. They easily could have had this character transition into the last season. Fucking sucks.

@naturalbridge lmao duffer brothers are hacks what you expect is what you get, unless you switch your brain off and watch it it’s so predictable

@Godrick the Grafted I seriously didn’t think they’d kill him off because it would’ve been too predictable and obvious. Guess I gave em too much credit 😓

Overall the show is great but it's kinda annoying how the main characters are untouchable. It's a problem with having kids be your main cast in a story that is pretty dark and bloody in some parts.

@Boi853 Exactly my point. Those characters were already fleshed out most of their stories were told I would even go with Max for S4 cause she is the best part of the season yet ending it with literally no consequence other than broken bones and a dead brain. So what’s the point bringing her back ?

Hopper should have died, and so should have Max, twice, so I think it’s getting out of hand, it was fine in the first two seasons but after that it was too much

Like dude, Max wanting to live more than succumb to her own guilt was just beautiful.. pretty good writing this season for the most part

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i loved the parts were characters have long heart to heart conversations in the middle of the chaos, some of them like Will and his brother talking about how they STOPPED talking was very heartwarming

@P Williams like dude i forgot mike and nacy were related until jason asked abt her brother when they were in that gun shop. Also for Jonathan and Will. Like I literally forgot they were brothers until they hugged at the end of their talk

@Sky So Few didnt mean it quite literally, i meant the calm moments like that one in the middle of the actually chaotic scenes. sorry if it was hard to understand!

Yeah they fixed one of the problems I had with stranger things the fact that Nancy and Mike are siblings but other than season 1 they act like complete strangers to each other Will and Johnathan were a bit different but in season 3 you can tell they weren’t as close anymore

That scene made me cry. I really hope Will has more of a pivotal role in the next season

That wasn't in the middle of chaos. They were literally putting salt into a tub.

I really hope we see Jason's Riverdale-looking ass again. It's kind of rare to see a villain who is supposed to be a charismatic, effective leader and you understand why people would follow him. He's a good public speaker, he creates a welcoming work environment and even as he does increasingly heinous shit and plays into some of the uglier attitudes of the era, you still get the sense that he's legitimately focused on stopping whatever happened to Chrissy from going unchecked - he's just working with incomplete info and the grief probably isn't helping his level-headedness.

@DaJaMa Ngl I missed that. I was cooking a huge ass curry while watching the finale and must have have my head turned away lol

bro literally got disintegrated in half he is not coming back

@Papertroll 🙌

Yeah, I thought he made a better villain than Vecna

@Matthew Barbosa I have some news to you concerning Darth Maul 😂

Glad I’m not alone in my thought that there were waaaay too many side stories and subplots this season. My boyfriend and I would literally groan every time the show left Hawkins and we had to go back to Russia or California. Hopper could have been brought home way sooner but noooo they had to have purpose for the whole sideplot by writing in the particles. If Vecna, his vines, and his minions are truly a hive mind, the particles aren’t needed.

@TheShanicpower don’t talk about my boy like that

Every time Argyle started talking I wanted to fast forward

While like you I kinda wished they killed Hopper off in season 3. I disagree with the Russia Arc being boring. Unlike a show say “Obiwan” that makes it seem like breaking in and out of facilities are so easy. I like how with the Russia Arc, they had to carefully plan out the details, and go through twists and turns to escape, and I genuinely felt scared for Hopper while he was trying to escape. I also really enjoyed the Russian guard he be-friended as well, and that we got more details on Hoppers backstory. The sense of peril, and amount of obstacles from storyline in Russia made his reconciliation with Joyce and Eleven feel even more impactful since we know what he’s been through the whole season . You can have more than one storyline and still have a great overall plot as long as the storylines you’re telling are engaging, and both the Vecna and Russian storylines were just in different ways. Just because they don’t connect doesn’t take away whether or not the storyline was good.

They literally went right back to the facility with ease. Everything was so effortless and lacked any sense of tension. The upside down has been massively nerfed, there are no real stakes, characters are able to survive every situation they find themselves in. The Russian subplot is that effect x100000. If you’re going to justify numerous hours of pointless escape attempts and shallow characters with absolutely no tension (do you remember the friendly Russian guards name? Didn’t think so.) for one decent fight scene that conveniently spared Hopper and his friend, you need to value your time and attention more closely. Don’t just turn your brain off and accept what a show gives you. At least 50% of this season was inconsequential. At least.

@Mario Rodriguez he did have chains tho. His character was WAY better than s3 but the first time I watched the russia plot I was kinda done with it but I've kinda embraced it for what it is and the demogorgon fight was pretty good.

The Russia subplot undoubtedly had some good moments, but it truly felt unnecessary and without tension. In my opinion, there was never any tension there because I never thought Hopper or Joyce wouldn't make it out of there alive, especially Hopper because if he was going to die, they would've killed him at the end of season 3. The battle with the demogorgon was cool and all, but was that worth using up like a third of the runtime? I don't think so. Also, it definitely was easy for Hopper to get out of the facility lol. He would've been out of Russia in the first couple of episodes if Yuri hadn't betrayed Enzo because somehow this malnourished police chief from Indiana with broken feet was able to defeat a Russian soldier in hand to hand combat.

@Augustas Valceris it's because s3 kind of FORCED the russians in the story just to have a third season and people didn't like it and they're back in it. I liked all of Murray and Joyce's scenes. Hopper and Enzo as soon as they were in the gulag had some great moments.

@Orange Juice I see the complete opposite actually

I feel like a lot of people agree that there were subplots that just weren’t that interesting that dragged on way too long. This season should have been normal length, and they should have cut so much out from the Eleven subplot, the Mike subplot, and the Russia subplot. On a re-watch of this season, I fell asleep multiple times during these subplot scenes. And I re-watched the first three seasons not one but TWICE in a week, and I never got bored or disinterested once. That kinda shows something about this season that they need to really improve on in the fifth/final season. They just tried to cram so much into one season and it didn’t really work for me.

This season probably has the worse rewatchability of all the seasons. It was good but it’s just so long with so much filler and not much action. Won’t be rewatching it till S5 probably.

@tehron moment thank you

I really don’t get the problems people state about the second and third season , becuase i found them to be easily the peak of this show , improoving upon the already great first season , but season 4 was the first that i feel lost the magic of this show, with lots of plotlines ( that all work like broken engines , sometimes working great , but often just barfing smoke), a bloated runtime ( and i really don’t get why , cause they don’t have enough stuff to do ), characters are often carried by the actors , instead of the action, and a villan that , due to how insanely derivative he was, really felt like a step down form the mine flayer

If I had to guess, it was at least in part due to scheduling conflicts. Notice that all the actors on the West Coast in the story, with the exception of Will and Murray, are the busiest and have other side projects. Basically everyone in Hawkins was probably much more available.

@Clarks Hat I disagree. While elevens plot line when isolated seems great as it was cool to see what happened beforehand with all the other super powered kids, its pretty flawed on a macroscopic scale. It seems forced to me, like they came up with that idea after the other seasons. It also makes me wonder why one took the actions that he did in the first 3 seasons. His motives are clear but his strategy and abilities seem sporadic. This makes for a lack of flow to the seasons which was probably caused by them only coming up with each season one at a time. My point is even though context to everything is nice, it would have been so much better if they had planned it out from the beginning.

My biggest problem with the show ever since it started is how fragmented it feels. You go from Chrissy getting murdered in the most terrible way by Vecna, to Eleven getting bullied in the skate park. It's tonal whiplash, pacing is a huge issue and it feels worse in this season because the episodes are 2 hours long.

And also there are no consequences for Eleven completely fucking that girl up with the roller skate. Not saying she didn't deserve something but they just gloss over it like it never happened.

Not really tonal whiplash. Both events are pretty bad and bleak

I understand peoples complaints with the season and to an extent, I agree with the fact that the Russia subplot was the weakest piece. That being said I thought the season did a phenomenal job balancing it all out because I can very easily see this season being a hot mess given the amount of subplots there were and the sheer size of the cast at this point in time. I also think that the finale was one of the craziest season finales I've ever seen. It was such a perfect balance of hype and heartwrench . Everything from Eddies big Master of Puppets moment to his death., to Max's fate, to Els confrontation with Vecna was super well done. It probably gave me more emotions than any of the past season finales put together. Yeah, it feels a little contrived that Eddie had to die because he's a new character but I didn't really mind it this time around because the actor just kills it on every level. Every single actor does, now that I think about it. This season has the best performances out of any season by a country mile, specifically Lucas's reaction to Max in the finale. Overall, I really loved this season even though it was flawed. I hope they do this season justice by nailing the last season because everyone is back in Hawkins now so hopefully, the plot feels less scattered.

@Fork's 40k Vlog It felt less shoehorned in though

Nah, Mike and the gang in the desert was the weakest subplot.

Such a good take on the subplots! I’ve been telling all my friends how wasted Mike, Will, and Jonathan were this season! Will gets some good character development, but that’s carried by Noah as he is definitely one of the better child actors! Even the Duffer Brothers know this I think, because they get virtually no screen time in the mid to late episodes! They just have too many characters than they know what to do with now! You were right about Eleven and Hopper’s subplots too! I kept finding myself wanting to get back to Hawkins, and the only time I didn’t feel like that was with the Vecna reveal!

@Jared Silvers LMAO!

John you sound like a nice dude hope you have a great day, but my man you gotta lay off the exclamation points, it's too much. !

Season 3 left me without any desire for more stranger things and now all I want is more stranger things. I loved this season. I think they tied everything in amazingly. Although I do agree on the adult and Russia thing. I don’t like the comedic relief of Yuri. It was kind of stupid

I liked the run time of the episodes so nothing was rushed and I do love how everyone has a purpose. Without this person this doesn’t happen and so on and I like that no one is just there. I wish the adults had more to do thou they didn’t need it had them come back and i hope something crazy does happen next.

100% agree. I reluctantly started to watch and was ready to turn it off the moment that the cringe dialogue from season 2 and 3 returned, but it never did. Was sold for me when they introduced Eddie, such a great lovable character. I actually have hopes for season 5.

@Random Person god i cant get over that😭 in what world is mike the “heart”

@Futt Buckerson imagine being this angry over someone’s opinion about some random tv show

@Futt Buckerson you are the heart

@Futt Buckerson facts

The dialogue is the same as the rest of the show. Seasons 2 and 3 were literally fine, quit making things up.

Had a lot of fun with this show. To me, Stranger Things is like a Goosebumps book come to life.

Eddie’s death was sad, but so unnecessary. I’m sick of them bringing new characters into the show, just to kill them so that the main characters can die. Max should have been the one to die imagine the impact emotionally it would have been if they were brave enough to kill her off the show.

@Rodrigo Marks I can't lie I'm kind of sick of hearing this man Life is not happy, life is a pile of good things next to a pile of bad things... Not everything goes to plan... I think it's actually much less predictable and as a result creates much better storytelling when the writers don't stick the to the simple " Sacrificial death from one character, happy ending for another" formula... It gets so damn predictable.. A good example that argues for this point is the last of us 2. The writers killed a main character and that added a whole new layer into the story and allowed the story to properly developm Just because a character shouldn't die because "Oh but that would be sad" doesn't mean anything. In real life, none of these characters would get such honorary sendoffs... In real life, you don't die in someone's arms as the hero and spout some inspirational last words I'm not saying that there shouldn't be heroic moments because even when they are predictable, they can be very emotional (look to Eddie's death) I'm just saying the writers should be a bit more brave

They don’t have the guys to pull this kind of stuff They did fakeouts with both eleven and hopper , so it’s clear at this point

@Nonetute yeah but thats what would have made that Lucas scene so much more powerful.

@Arthur99mun but this isn’t real life and this ain’t game of thrones either. Too cruel of a end for her

@Rodrigo Marks yes but sometimes life doesnt get a happy ending, specially when you dealing with "monsters and demons". And even she had died she kinda had her moment where she stood up

Honestly, this season landed me squarely in the "Stranger Things should've ended after the first season" camp. The bloated, disconnected storylines played a part in that, but the straw that broke the camel's back were the Vecna retcons. Him being shoehorned into Eleven's backstory felt contrived, and I absolutely HATE the notion that he's the true ruler of the Upside Down, with the Mind Flayer being his literal shadow puppet. The show's lore has been ruined.

I'm so glad you acknowledged that scene with Max. Easily the most tense and well executed scene in the entirety of the show. 🙏🏽

This season really got me back into the show, I was getting tired of it and it's been 3 years since the last season, and I remember why I loved it when it came out. If anything, I don't like how part 2 was done- I don't understand why a certain character died, it seems like they just didn't know how to write the witch hunt out of the story. The show has a habit of only killing new characters which makes everything feel less climactic, but I have a feeling season 5 isn't going to be pulling the same punches- I can't imagine they're going to be introducing many, if any, new characters. I'm excited to see what happens. It seems like it's already set up to succeed- only split into 2 groups, breaking the status quo, and keeping a villain that really worked.

I feel like Vickie might be a new character but that'd probably be it.

Yeah eddie was the only forced part this season I predicted his death way before when they went into the upside down the first time . He should have be allowed to come back and spend time in Hawkins and redeem himself not die in silence . Even if he had to die should have dies before the final moments of the last season that's it . Other than that every fucking inch of this season was amazing 👏 .

honestyly i felt like jason was killed off really dumb too, i mean he got fucking vaporized while being unconscious, the writers straight up didn't give a fuck lmao, but yeah eddie's death felt kinda forced IMO

@nikkahn yeah man lmao no hate I'm not mad or anything, I just legitimately thought that was hilarious

Honestly, if this series had focused more heavily on Eleven and the Hawkins crew, this season would have been pretty spectacular. As is, this season was “just” pretty great.

Maybe I'm in the minority but even on rewatch, Season 3 is my favorite. I just found it to be the most fun to watch out of all of them. This season however, was my least favorite. I agree with the pacing issues and I think that a lot of stuff was unnecessary. The less said about Suzie's family scene the better. But they did nail the last few episodes and Dear Billy is one of the best in the whole series. Can't wait for season 5.

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Yeah man I love the new characters. Especially Robin. I love how she's just COMPLETELY different from the previous season.... Like come on bruh what was that

I know right. She constantly acts exactly like how I do when my adhd ass is completely hopped up on extreme stress or stimulants. And I *really* hate myself when I'm like that.

@frail void I can see that, however, The reason I don't buy is Because during the events of season 3, more than enough time has passed for her to feel comfortable. There's letting loose, and then there's completely shifting character. If she was truly just uncomfortable around Steve and acting like that in season 3, then she should be like that around Nancy and the rest of the kids in season 4. But she's not.

Like how you act weirder around people once you’re more comfortable with them

Tbh I interpreted this as her becoming more comfortable around Steve this season

right ?? I thought I was the only person who noticed she suddenly seems to have ADHD

I love that the will, mike, Jonathan subplot was so forgettable that even the writers forgot to add them into an entire 1hr40min episode. Otherwise good season though

Stranger Things 3, as it did to many, definitely soured my feelings on the show as a whole a bit. I think we can all agree that the season felt a little too silly, and most of the plot lines were really not good… either focusing on characters unnecessarily misunderstanding another to drive “tension”, uninteresting tweenage romance, blatant product placement and nostalgic pandering, or cartoon hijinxs with goofy Russian baddies and CGI flesh monsters who don’t have the same intimidation factor as a Demogorgon or Shadow Monster. This was padded together in place of the atmospheric, tense character drama that drew people to the show, and I could fully understand not liking the show at all after coming out of a season where nearly every character aside from Steve and Robin were wasted. However, while Stranger Things 4’s episodes in California - with “eleven getting bullied” and Mike, Will and Jonathan’s one-sided relationship dramas - definitely carried over and were consistent with the flaws that defined Season 3, I’m very happy that the Stranger Things I loved is back again. I don’t think the bully thing will irk as much people as it did me, however - Stranger Things has played out the middle/high school bully trope so much already with Troy in S1 and Billy in S2, so the Angela character just felt like a generic 80’s caricature, especially in comparison to Jason, that hateful teen who reflects a side of the 80’s Stranger Things hasn’t gone into much - The satanic panic, a conservative christian reaction to the events that go on in the show, and a very real image of a middle school bully who just kept making wrong but realistic conclusions and going down a wrong path. I didn’t have a problem with the Russia arc - to me, it was more gratifying having several separate plot lines that still end up connecting to a larger battle than it was bringing everyone in for a final or semifinal episode as they’ve done in Seasons 1, 2, and 3. Bringing back the mystery of Vecna and giving Max a fully-fleshed arc was very much appreciated, especially with how they weren’t afraid to be brutal with Vecna - the same goes for all of his scenes as Henry Creel/One. He wasn’t the deepest character, but added a personality to the Upside Down which creatures such as the unnamed big flesh mind flayer spider monster of Season 3 certainly lacked. While it’s pretty noticeable how Stranger Things refuses to kill off main characters and instead opts for killing likeable side characters, I appreciated that loss was felt at the end - especially since despite Eleven reviving Max’s body, her mind is still completely dead. Seasons 1 and 2 had a happy ending with some dark hints at a future to come, and season 3 was more meant to be bittersweet than anything, relying on a fake-out death like that of Season 1 to add a sad gloom. I really do appreciate how Max and Lucas get more character development than they ever have before in this season . Lucas in season one was just really a “grumpy/skeptic” trait which served as more of a plot convenience (or inconvenience?) than much substance until his inevitable “sorry I was mean” scene. I get it, there isn’t much you can do with kid actors, but it would’ve been nice to see more into why he thinks that way than just the simple “we shouldn’t trust her because of generic reason #3”. In Season 2 the main substance of the Lucas/Max dynamic was a love triangle without much of Max’s own character except from “girl who likes video games” or “why am I not your friend/why does mike hate me”. (Yeesh, Mike’s kinda been reduced a jackass character ever since Eleven disappeared that one time, huh?), and Season 3 there is really no plot for them apart from being just rough caricatures on teenager boy/girl and boring relationship drama. Max also loses the “tomboy” trait she was casted for with skateboarding, arcade games and love of slasher horror instead to show Eleven the life of mall-bred materialism, not that either dynamic was the most unique character thing in the world but largely Max was more of a vehicle for other people’s character conflicts than building a consistent character with real traits of her own. Max’s really only consistently interesting dynamic was that of her and Billy, but now that she grips with a different family dynamic and depressive symptoms she becomes far more in-depth, relatable, and overall just better as a character. (as far as I remember except for Billy’s death scene she never seemed to be actually that sad about Billy dying in that season. Which makes sense, him being abusive and the realistic feelings portrayed in this season cover that a lot better, but still, the “emotion” of that ending was really just reserved for Eleven only.) Her depression is relatable, so is her struggle dealing with the loss of someone you hoped to have a better relationship with that never came - (BoJack Horseman’s “Free Churro”, anyone?). Max’s Running Up That Hill scene is easily the best individual scene in the show, encapsulating perfectly HOW Stranger Things melds its darkest elements with its lightest in a magical drama experience. And to see her limbs snap one by one, to see her mind erased from her own body, despite how far she’s grown and how much she’s confronted to still face drastic pain and consequence, that is something which Stranger Things desperately could’ve used more of back in Seasons 2, 3, and even 1. Though there definitely could also be more of that in 4 also. Lucas dealing with the conflict of groups, wanting to find his own interests outside those of the group and to be respected rather than seen as someone to laugh at is a conflict not really seen in the group and is far different, more unique, and better to the “we’re not kids anymoreee we’re teens and want shitty relationship drama scenes!” shlock slapped at him in Season 3. We see him struggle in ways that are good and we also do see his different edge in the group once they do get back together - such as his realistic worries for Max’s safety and wanting her to open up to him. Of course, their relationship dynamic is also adorable - nothing better than seeing Max make him enthusiastically write on notecards. Little things like that and how supportive he’s tried to be for Max make it all the more heartbreaking when he cradles her broken, mindless and dying body. Of course, there are other highlights Steve, Dustin, and Robin had a great dynamic in S3, easily the highlight of that season, but now that they have a plot to work with, and a different set of characters like the finely-crafted Eddie to bounce off of the group really feels cohesive in a way that we haven’t really seen the Steve-kids dynamic in outside of four-person groups or a final episode. Seeing Nancy in a group of older teens isn’t really something explored during the “main events” or “mystery” of Stranger Things also; having her and Robin interact provides an especially fun dynamic. Once again, much like the bully subplots I mentioned earlier, this just makes the below average quality California plots stand out as even worse in comparison - though it was nice to see the Will/Mike dynamic explored in a medium other than “can we play d&d now?”. If that dynamic only existed for either S3 and S4 I wouldn’t have minded it as much as I minded it basically being step for step repeated in both- again, Mike’s been a jackass for a while too so I don’t blame S4 for his character’s problem, rather it’s just been continuous character development in a wrong direction if you will. I don’t consider Will’s plot to be malicious queerbait either, since in the literal first episode of the show when asked if Will is gay Joyce says it doesn’t matter and that he’s still her son either way, but it seems more that Will’s plot lines are just placed in the background so the writers can dedicate more runtime to other characters. Of course there’s only so much you can do in an episode… but you could do a lot more if you started with the military hunting El, fleshing out that general guy more, and removing the generic bully characters, making Jason’s uniqueness stand out even more, and then have Mike get there after El’s been taken and thus giving him and Will more room to grow. As for Will’s confused stoner brother, Jonathan’s plots never really started and never really were resolved, either; but I did enjoy Argyle’s presence as it was unique in comparison to what we usually see from the show. I think I enjoy the Russia plot more than Cosmonaut since it’s really different; it just happens to be a grisly prison escape drama with a good amount of twists and time spent on it that fits the vibe of the show and gives it a new feel - that trait also making Vecna and how he connects to Eleven, Nancy, Max, Eddie, and the rest of the Hawkins gang’s plots so creatively in different ways. This is NEW GROUND for the show to cover and that’s really why people have a generally much more positive reaction to this as compared to S2 or S3. All the good parts about Seasons 2 and 3 could be either seen in season 1 or fit better if those two seasons were condensed into one, or if each season has an anthology with a different cast. But really, this season has been the one to convince me that Stranger Things is better as a series and not an anthology show. There’s so much more I could say about this season, both positively with things like that house shootout and the overall editing and cinematography, and also expanding on my few negatives, like the plot armor problems, but once more I’m just happy that the show is back, and is different in ways that expand on the source instead of retreading on it. It took until episodes 3-4 to really get it there, but I missed this kind of Stranger Things.

@Brodie Morris Then… why bother leaving a reply?

Holy shit dude I am not reading that no offense

I didn’t really like how El’s subplot revolved around her learning to use strong memories to boost her powers (just like we saw back in season 2) and just like season 2, she didn’t even use the ability in the final fight

I feel really divided about this season. On one hand, I feel like they tried really hard to outdo themselves in terms of scale, but then gave up halfway through. It feels very...convenient. Everything seems a little bit too easy, and it really makes the stakes feel lower than they should be.

Hopper fighting demogorgon with a sword and winning was the culmination of this imo. Also, Max somehow surviving everything - just let someone important die, come on. It's a group of children fighting unspeakable evil, take some risks. They did lose overall but it felt like a huge buildup for a bigger loss. Felt like we'd lose Steve or Nancy. Noone displayed proper grief in the end, everyone just got ready for what's to come. Liked the season overall but stakes are quite low when every death-scare ends with fan-favorite characters surviving.

@its supercat every thing kinda falls into place at the last episodes, it feels far too coincidental

yeah eddie’s death felt particularly immersion breaking? like they didn’t wanna have to figure out a redemption arc so they made him run to his death for no reason

@Michael Hawke No

@Aureum747 yes it does

The way i saw it they implied that the monster had a hive mind. So hopper burning and killing the demogorgan gave El the opening to overcome Vecna which lead to his defeat

The dust stuff/mind flayer went in the demo monsters so the plan was to kill them to maybe help our other characters. Because the mind flayer controls the demo monsters, when the last demo monster was killed all the demo bats died. Too late for Eddie tho.

I think that hivemind stuff only goes for the monsters/demodogs/demogorgon and such. Vecna obviously has brains and a personality, not mindless.

It didn't draw me in at all... Watching it was a chore. Vecna's exposition at the climax was tedious and trite and sapped all of the momentum from the scene. Max's terror was amazing though, as was Lucas' showdown.

1:02 That is definitely my biggest issue with the show. The writers are too afraid to kill off any of the core characters. Brenner. Hopper. Max. All presumed dead only to come back seasons or even minutes later! Think they need to stick to their guns regardless of how fans might react. It just weakens the stakes IMO. Still adore this show though. Roll on Season 5!

@Theo Buniel Good.

@Shoulderpads-mcgee Brenner's definitely dead.

Wait is Brenner not really dead did I forget something

They need to write out some characters. Name one thing Jonathan, Will, or Argyle did for the story(besides argyle getting salt, which they could have done a million ways)

Will is going to be pretty important next season I assume and Jonathan could also play a role in his arc but Argyle is just a comic relief character who really overstayed his welcome.

This season was a vast improvement over the previous two -- I still have some issues with the subplots and sidelining of certain characters that were present in 2 and 3 -- but this was for the most part a return to the excellent form that the show was missing since Season 1. I still have some things to be desired. The main thing is that I think Mike and Will have both gotten the short end of the stick in regards to character development.  Mike was the group's leader and really proactive in both looking for Will and trying to help Eleven integrate into the real world. Ever since, he hasn't really done anything. He's kinda regressed into the Finn of the show, where his entire character just revolves around his love interest/closest friend and not much else.  As for Will, I don't really see him as a character that's really done much the whole series. Season 1 he disappeared and needed to be rescued. Season 2 he's again a central focus but he was more so an object things happened to rather than a participant in the story. Season 3 he had a nice idea going for him with him being upset that his friends have all moved on to other things, and he never really got a chance to grow up normally. He had one great scene when he destroyed Fort Byers, but that was pretty much it. He got pushed aside and mainly served as the group's alarm system. Season 4 he also had a compelling idea introduced, with the subtexts of potentially being attracted to Mike and not being able to find the heart to admit it to him. Again, had one fantastic scene or two, but aside from that he once again didn't do much. It's a bit sad to me because Finn Wolfhard and Noah Schnapp are amazing actors, they just haven't had much to do for most of the show. I really hope that with this final season, they return Mike to acting more as a leader (as well as having character traits and motivations that aren't entirely surrounding Eleven the whole time). And I really think they ought to make Will the main character of Season 5. The show started with his disappearance, and I think it needs to end with him as well. I'd love for him to finally be a fully fleshed out character that has a fulfilling arc instead of someone who either things just happen to or is just there and nothing more.  I thought Season 4 was great regardless, but I think the Duffers have potential to make Season 5 even better. I really hope they stick the landing.

i think will’s drawing of the party (especially mike’s depiction) is setting up mike to finally become the leader of the party again, like how he was in season 1

I’m really glad they brought Hopper back as I hated how he was characterised in season 3, I just wish they’d done it in a different way. I wish he’d escaped into the upside down and his parts of the season would be about him trying to survive in this familiar but dangerous world while trying to find a safe way home.

I really enjoyed this season, but I have two main problems with it. My first is that the episodes are way too long, an hour is fine, but a 2 hour finale is insane. And like in the video, it’s because they have to cram a bunch of plot lines into the story. While I did enjoy the Russian plotline, after thinking about it for a while, I think the best decision is that Hopper should have died in Season 3. Also, I just did not enjoy the Argyle, Mike, Johnathan, and Will plotline. I like Argyle, but I feel like the other 3 characters that are in there have nothing to do, so they forced them into a plotline. But honestly, these two plotlines both have the same problem. There’s too many characters, and no one is getting killed off. Every season, the cast builds and builds, without any characters dying at all. It seems like there is one death per season at most, sometimes 2. But none of those characters are the main characters, and they keep making new ones. This leaves a lot of characters having nothing to do, and ultimately getting sidelined. Mike used to kind of be the main character, but after watching 4 seasons of this show that I think that Eleven is the actual main character. The writers always seem to know what to do with her, and her story is always the most interesting, engaging, and the most focused on. While I am excited for season 5, and this show is honestly amazing, I can’t deny that because the show has gone on for this long, the cracks are starting to form and it’s starting to show a lot more than it did before. Overall, this is my second favorite season, because nothing will ever beat Season 1.

My issue with this season is that pretty much every character is useless. Like...I truly hated everything that Mike/Will/Argyle/Will's brother was doing. Couldn't do it. Vecna was a rad addition! Eleven annoyed me all season until Part 2. If the show was mostly just the kids in Hawkins, I would have been all about it! The whole theme of satanic panic really hit home with me! Shout out to the trailer park kids, Max and Eddie!! And the actor that played Eddie's uncle legitimately had me emotional.

Gotta say I wholly disagree with your thoughts on Vecna. I think the last thing the upside down needed was an angry human man in a Muppet costume to be behind it all, especially when they're retconning him to be the head honcho instead of the awesome Lovecraftian shadow intelligence that the mind flayer used to be. If Vecna was a one off for season 4, I'd be much more ok with him being a "five star general" for the Mind Flayer to set up the big threat for season 5. But I guess the mind flayer was just... A play doh cloud that Henry turned into a spider bc he likes spiders. They made the upside down so fuckin lame.

@J ack he is best part lol season 4 would not be even half as good without that 001 Henr Vecna plot twist. That what elevate this season and makes it easily one of my favourite things in television. Its I am your father level of amazing

@Enigmatic Gale sorry but 001 is the worst part of season 4 sorry but it's kinda true

@Enigmatic Gale gotta disagree about your opinion

@Jesse Bruni Nah 001 works perfectly one dimensional villain can work even without symphatethic motivatons and be fully reailzed character. Joker from Dark Knight is one dimensional and he is one of the greatest villains in cinema. Some people does not want anything but watch the world burn. Henry Creel alias Vecna alias 001 works absolutely perfectly. Total nihilist who was born insane and was disgusted by human existence. I think thats where Stranger Things suprised me and I am glad taht unlike 99% of played out villians he did not turn evil because of traumatic childhood. And his monologues oh boy Campbel own it. Not to mention that manipulation of El was absolutely brilliant that change from friendly older brother to psychopath one of the best plot twist ever. He would have not worked as Yin to Els Yang. That was already Kali in season 2. I love how 001 is different from 008. And I love his pure evilness. Because its only type of person who could do with upside down what he does. And its not like he does not have some screwed up point. I would definetly agree sometimes that human are special kind of pests. And he works perfectly. Him then becoming Vecna to show up people their most disgusting desire and kill them in most gruesome way thats ties up nicely with his views of humanity. My favourite scene is when El try to apeal to his humanity in talk no jutsu style only for him tro brush it and saying that Brenner wasnt monster he was just ordinary human. And thats whats so scary about Henry. He is technically just another serial killer like person with mental ilness only this one happens to have superpowers. We had enough complicated characters in this show introducing somebody who was devil born incarnate thats nice change for the mix. And its not like characters like him cant work. Knives from Trigun for example is another similiar villain with very similiar motivation.

@lemonchief Brenner had amazing arc so I think they knew exactly what to do with him and they did it. Lovecraftian villains does not have personality and thats the problem. No personal connection and honestly no real conflict which is reason why most memorable villains in storytelling history worked. And Vecna can be still more like right hand men. As for rest of your comment sorry but thats lazy Jar Jar Abrams level of writing I am not going through bunch of mysteries only to not know nothing by the end because thats sO MuCh MoRe InTeReStInG. It tanked sequel trilogy, it tanked LOSt it tanked Game of Thrones and I swear it would tanked Stranger Things. Henry works perfectly as satysfing answer for lot of questions ties up several plotlines nicely and creates perfect emotional threat. And I will always prefer it compare to some left upon interpretation bs. Yeah it can work in some works but rarely works in mainstream media.

Loved it all except last 50 minutes of last episode. Max dying came out of nowhere and the villain shouldn't ahve won and characters should not ahve failed. Eddie shouldn't shouldn't died. I think this should have been a self contained season so we can have a new mystery next season

The Duffer Brothers should know what every D&D player knows: never split the party. But I loved this season 10/10

I never disagree with you; however when it comes to Stranger Things all Seasons - I whole heartedly disagree! I loved Seasons 3 & 4 the best - they are my favorites 😊 It’s all coming together!

I am now noticing that there is a problem in this show with them introducing characters just to kill them off, and they never actually commit to killing off any of the main cast of characters. It is starting to get a little bit frustrating. I'd like to see marcus make a more in depth video about the series where he talks more about this season specifically.

I agree, Max's scene scaping is by far the best scene so far...that one and Eddie playing that guitar was also an amazing scene

This season really got me back into the show, I was getting tired of it and it's been 3 years since the last season, and I remember why I loved it when it came out. If anything, I don't like how part 2 was done- I don't understand why a certain character died, it seems like they just didn't know how to write the witch hunt out of the story. The show has a habit of only killing new characters which makes everything feel less climactic, but I have a feeling season 5 isn't going to be pulling the same punches- I can't imagine they're going to be introducing many, if any, new characters. I'm excited to see what happens. It seems like it's already set up to succeed- only split into 2 groups, breaking the status quo, and keeping a villain that really worked.

I really liked the ending of season 4 and I'm kinda interested to what happens in season 5 but pary of me feels like the writers didn't really know how to end the show cause the finale was filled with so many emotional and action packed moments that made it feel like a series finale rather than a season finsle

Whilst I enjoyed this season it does frustrate me that the plot armor for these characters is near infinite! They couldn't even let Max die permanently. Also constantly killing the new character is so overdone by season 4.

I think my main flaw with the fourth season is that the characters are all scattered and their goals aren't all the same. While I liked Hopper and Joyce's reunion, the involvement of the Russians has no effect on the main plot with Vecna, so it creates this weird back and fourth and made Hopper's storyline just feel like the Jabba's Palace sequence from Star Wars RotJ

They should have done something to better tie that part of the season into the other storylines. Too tired to give possible examples but they could have pulled it off.

@LeGorgeous didnt ask

Until they fight the demogorgon and demo dogs and weaken vecna...if they were not there and didn't do that all the kids would have died...granted yes they could javelin accomplished the same without them being in russia. But they did. So to say the people in russia had no effect isn't accurate.

I would disagree since they tried to tie the "weakening the hivemind" reason into the Russia Plot, but it was so loosely tied and unnecessary that I'd agree with it being considered extraneous

wait whats wrong withthe jabbas palace sequence ? i dont see how thats similar to stranger things here

I watch this show the same way I watch Dragon Ball Z. I love the character relationships and banter but when they get into an emotional monologue while fighting a villain I know I'll have time to go pick up groceries, hit the gym and take a nap before coming back and it's probably still going.

I love how they made Vecna a psychopathic man child simply thinking that he's playing with toys and doesn't care if one breaks

I absolutely loved this season! I agree though that the Russian subplot felt forced in. I wasn't a huge fan of it in Season 3, but I think I liked it more in this season. And I wasn't a big fan of Mike, WIll and Johnathan's subplot either. I feel like they were just sitting on the sidelines having way too many inspirational talks trying to make sure Will felt included while the others are trying to save Hawkins and risking their lives. It felt like they didn't know what to do with them. I'm all for helping someone feel included and normal, but when it's almost every scene and I'm able to predict, "Oh here's Will and Mike again, I bet they sit down and have yet another heart to heart" and I'm right each time, then something needs to change. At least Hopper had something to do to keep him busy and he was in a prison for crying out loud. Will and Mike quite literally sat this season out and that's not fair to the actors. That being said, I still thoroughly enjoyed this season!! Vecna is great and he has such a cool character design! (Fun fact, the guys who made his costume also made the Night King in Game of Thrones :o ) Watching that last episode was a roller coaster of suspense and I had a great time watching it!

Ive put a viewing party together with my friends for the last 2 episodes of this season because we were really enjoying how it was going... I dont know why man, but the finale really didnt do it for us. Especially all the tear jerking speaches every single character had at the end. You guys didnt find that to be corny af?

Marcus just wanted to let you know that a lot out here cant wait to see the next transformers picture show. That video was some of the best picture show content you ever did and the fact that the movies get worse in a way makes me want more of transformers content here so please make it happen D:

THANK YOU for noticing the editing Marcus. I absolutely loved the parallel editing in this season, especially the D&D/basketball scene in the first episode, and then the climax of the final episode. Not as many people talk about it and I liked hearing your take.

When Max survived in volume 1, I was not too happy. I don't hate her charecter...but I really like shows when they kill off a main charecter. But then I was watching volume 2, and I thought "Oh so they are gonna kill her now, makes sense". And then they show her legs breaking and I thought "Wow they really did it I think". But then eleven stops Vecna before she can kill him and I thought maybe they are saving the death for after they deal with Vecna. And then She dies and I shed a tear. But then they immediately ressurect her and killed the new "good" charecter who got killed by the same stupid bats whoch couldn't even properly wound Steve. 🥲

Will, Mike, and Jonathan were done so dirty. Will was why this entire series started, Jonathan earned his relationship with Nancy, and Mike was the leader of the squad in S1, and they all just... watched El.

While this season was better than the last two, maybe even all the prior ones, it still has almost the same exact structure as the last two and I think it's pretty noticeable if you think about it. Characters are separated into groups, new character is introduced, a new monster is introduced, the kids rally to kill the monster, the monster dies and the new character dies in the process and at the end a new bigger monster is teased.

It's confirmed tho that last season (season 5) is going to be entirely at Hawkins for the first time since season one

@Steven Mejia Fair enough. I just wish they would change the structure up for a season.

@Rohan Nambiar How many movies do we know the basic plot of? You know how shit will play out most of the time, it's the intricate stuff that is surprising (Vecna/001)

@Steven Mejia What??? You know the basic plot of what will happen every time. how does that work well for you?

Idk, how they will defeat vecna in the next season, he doesn't seem to have any weaknesses.

A friend of mine said it would've been amazing if Hopper jumped through the rift at the end of S3 and he survived in the Upside Down, much like Will did in S1. Imagine Hopper gets captured in the Upside Down and comes back as a villain or villain's pawn in S4. The characters finding out about him in that state would've been brutal for them, especially if, in the finale, El had to step up and kill Hop to save Hawkins or something like that. Of course, this assumes a lot about things needing to be shifted and the entire Russia arc would've been scrapped, but I don't think that would've been a terrible thing honestly.

I thought the adults were going to say "You know, we saw a gate to the upsidedown. Also, Hopper got to Russia from America via the gate. We need to go to the gate to get back to Hawkins." That'd made a ton more sense, tbh. I kind of suspect the reason they didn't do that is the actor who plays Hopper was in Black Widow, so all his scenes were filmed largely at a different time than everyone else's.

@awesome gaymer They show that tracking shot in the lab where they zoom past the blowing plastic and there's a deep cave into the upside down still open in the facility. Or at least, that's what it looked like.

Is there actually a gate in Russia? I don't think it was ever shown and they implied in s3 it was impossible?

During the season I was thinking that they would use the upside down to get back home.

Sadie Sink stole whole damn show in “Dear Billy” and I really hope she gets some award nods for it. The whole cast, as you said, does great work but she was the standout this season.

@Fake Lebron exactly, to me the season ended at episode 4

I’m disappointed that dear billy was the best episode in the entire season. Volume 2 did not deliver for me.

Ehh I think vecnas actor and Lucas’s actor did a award worthy job

was feeling the fatigue after season 3 but man this season was great. so nice to have the mystery element again

The thing is what mystery are they gonna do for s5? I hope the duffers sit down and actually work things out rather than rush the show coming out cos fans want it sooner.

I think S4 might be my favorite season. It's at least tied with S1 for me. It had some flaws, and it was too long in places, but every plotline worked for me. The only things that really didn't work for me were some of the cornier dialogue scenes with Will/Mike/Jonathan that got sappy or melodramatic. Will is basically a wet blanket for this show. He sucks all the fun out of it with his weepy non-sense.

A little surprised you didnt mention (MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD) the fact that this show has a really bad habit of killing off new characters. Eddie's death was written horribly, and if they needed to kill him off they could have done it in a way that ACTUALLY fit his character ark (like saving Dustin from certain death). Also shocked you didnt mention the Dues Ex Machina that happens in the final episode where Eleven suddenly has the power to revive others.

@Hastyscorpion His deaath was pointless. Steve, Nancy, and Robin didn't need more time. They were already inside the house and captured by the vines. The vines restricted their movement and they couldn't have made any noise to alert the bats...IF they came back. They wouldn't have come back though. They would've died.

She is inside Max’s mind. It seems totally believable to me that she could give her a “pace maker“ jolt. And it only worked cause she was already in her mind. She can’t just do that to anybody. I do agree about the Eddie Death. They were foreshadowing the entire season that Eddie runs away when he shouldn’t. But in his sacrificial scene the plan was always for him and Dustin to run away. They were a diversion. He has no idea if they need more time or not. He just kind of gives up his life because that is the story beat he is supposed to follow not because there is a good reason for him to.

Eddie running straight to the bats with a trash can lid and a stick was devoid of logic and annoyed me

I don't think elven was like using healing magic or something to revive her honestly I think she was just using telekinesis to restart her heart and the show just didn't communicate it well.

The vast majority of the screen time was spent undoing the season three finale. 11 last her powers so she spends the season getting them back, Hopper's in the gulag so Joy has to get him out. The stuff actually in Hawkins was good but I was so bored by all the naval gazing that we know will just end with the status quo restored, Hopper back and 11 empowered. I was also pulling super hard for the writers to nut up and just kill one of the kids already, looked like they were gonna do it with Max even but they chickened out. Speaking of death, Eddy's sacrifice felt totally pointless, there was really no indication that the extra minute or so he bought the rest of the team made the difference for them. It ended up feeling hollow and manipulative to me. More than anything though I think they just shot themselves in the foot by having the story be so fragmented. There are legacy characters like Dustin or Jonathan that felt totally short changed, like they were just there while other characters were doing things. The Russian prison guard got me characterization this season than Steve.

I've grown to have a total Love/Hate relationship with Stranger Things. It's often written very poorly and lazily, leaning on nostalgia and borrowing heavily from better properties, but also, it often executes in a way that's really fun. I generally criticize it while also binging it because I can't stop watching.

Finally hearing someone talk about how goddamn good the editing and sound work is this season is so relieving

Eddie and Max’s( only for one minute) deaths hit me hard, the acting was excellent and the music in the background fit so well. Rip Eddie😢😢😢

a lot of lines in this season were pretty predictable.. "time for your suffering...." to end? yeah didn't need that suspense. the imagery was by far the best part this season, vecna walking down the stairs in chrissys home, vecnas mind lair and even dr Brenner new lab.. the deaths were gory but cgi was still kinda off, except for Jason's death surprisingly.. I also LOVE that they didn't have will tell Mike he's in love with him like everyone else wanted.. also loved that Steve n Nancy didn't happen again, thanks for not much tacky fan service duffer bros, also I'm still holding out that mind flayer(the cloudy entity) is the head honcho

​@Hastyscorpion explain why part of vecna is in Russia then? if he created mind flayer?

​@Hastyscorpion looked like he morphed "some" of it, but not "all" of it... also looked like what entity mind flayer is, was there before vecna arrived.. so I'm not seeing your point?

The mind flayer is very clearly not the head honcho. They very explicitly said Vecna created the mind flayer.

I was definitely feeling like the show outstayed it's welcome after season 3 and wasn't particularly excited for this season, originally I only planned on watching season 4 because I knew it would be talked about a lot online, but I was actually pretty surprised. I enjoyed this season because I feel like it relied a lot less on nostalgia baiting and really put the focus on the mystery and the characters. I also think the show GREATLY benefits from having an actual villain with a background and motivation rather than having it just be nameless monsters

hot take but i actually really like all the seasons of stranger things. Like to me, seasons 2 and 3 are just great for different reasons than season 1 is, being more action -adventure-focused as opposed to pure horror. Season 4 is a good combination of both

@RetroP no offense but I don't really count your level of intelligence to be that of the average person, and I mean you specifically, just based on my limited interaction with you. Please try and increase your IQ before engaging in adult conversations. take care.

@Super Champloo It's kinda sad dude to still disagree when everyone sees you're wrong... I hope you're doing well mate. I used to be like that some time ago, it hurt me and you just gotta learn from it and respect the others when you're the only one in the room thinking you're right. Take care.

@RetroP ?? even your own definition proves me right because a lot of people are likely to disagree with my opinion, although not everybody. Do you need to me to link you to videos proving that what I said is unpopular?? Will you take the L then? How many do you require?

@Super ChamplooHot Take (according to Urban Dictionary): An opinion that is likely to cause controversy or is unpopular. Hot Take (according to Cambridge Dictionary): A piece of writing or speech, especially on the internet, giving someone's personal opinions about a topic, usually strong opinions that have not been carefully thought about and that many people are likely to disagree with. Well, unless you debate Cambridge's validity, you are wrong my dude :)

@Cosmic it literally does. It literally is based on the opinions of the people you're addressing

Removing 11 from majority of the season was a good move it shows that the group is capable of solving problems without her when things get tough

2:59 YEEEEEESSSSS! I overall enjoyed the season more than some previous ones... but EVERY time they cut away from the Hawkins bunch to either go to Russia or Eleven's storyline I was just like.... oh my gaaaaahhhddddd.. IT just made everything draaaaag. I was like... please stop slowing down the pace to show eleven floating in water. At least they could have just condensed it. The stuff with Vecnas back story is actually cool.. but it was way longer than necessary

i loved this season second best or the best imo i loved all the sub plots i did feel like wills group and hops was the weakest but still amazing imo especially towards the end when they got el back and she got her happy ending with hop they absolutely slayed eddie’s character as a kid who grew up weird asf always just doing shi to not be liked by many having eddy be the one character that’s a loner who’s other loners together was wholesome asf and learning about brenner was really really interesting to me and personally i never really liked max she always felt like a plot advancement and she wasn’t very memorable in the last 2 seasons so seeing her go was alright with me but eddie should’ve stayed a lot longer

i’d have to disagree when it comes to the hopper subplot, i think it was by far one of the most interesting

Agreed

I was okay with Russia. I disliked the California arc. That said, i love the show. It's far from perfect, but i think they do a good job and i would want to do a rewatch of it.

I was never a big fan of S2 and S3 but this season was actually sooo good!! It really surprised me that Stranger Things could pull off something just as good as S1 two seasons later

I could only think about how much Marcus would like this season while watching it since they fixed most of the issues he brought up.

Hopper subplot actually wasn't too bad, I was fairly invested in how he would get out of Russia although the ending did kind of suck because they basically forgot the whole "we need to get out of Russia" thing and just had them fight some monsters for very little reason. The Eleven subplot with her in the dunk tank literally could have been 1 episode like they should have just had that be one episode had the rest of her subplot actually be her and the California gang doing stuff. Mike, Will, Jonathan, and weed boi barely had anything to do this season and I think that whole half of the story would've been way better if they kept Eleven with her the entire time. Maybe it could've been like a road trip or something where they're trying to get back to Hawkins while dodging the military. Maybe cut the whole bunker thing entirely and instead Eleven is getting her powers back by doing wacky psychedelics in the back of the van which makes her vulnerable and shit while they try to protect her from the military. [THIS NEXT PART IS SPOILERS] Apart from that stuff though I really appreciate that this season actually did something different. After season 3 the show had kind of a predictable formula where each season is kind of it's own thing that returns to a status quo by the end and I really appreciate that this one ended with shit actually getting messed up. It actually has me excited for the next season cause shit is _messed up_ now and I want to see what they do about it.

I agree about them padding the run time, especially with the final two episodes. I really liked the last two episodes, but they truly, honestly had NO business being THAT long. I liked the full length film thing they went with but they just needed MORE interesting stuff happening. It felt like the entire episode 8 was almost nothing but people standing around plotting, arguing or dumping exposition, and half of the final episode was too. They also could have trimmed down run time by eliminating a LOT of the slow motion sequences. This show OVER uses slo-mo, like it's beyond excessive. Definitely the best season so far, but still some small areas to improve on for the final. I'm looking forward to it either way.

This is by far the best since season 1, and I think the main bit that is great is Vecna. He looks great, and is actually menacing. I was actually scared for once since season 1.

Having binged the show for the first time in the past 3 weeks has really made me regret writing off this show so quickly, It’s such a breath if fresh air having a cast of characters that are just good and lovable people, where as so many other shows has shitty people as characters.

I loved how they made Max a more interesting and a character I was rooting for

I love how in a show about D&D themed monsters from another dimension attacking children the most unbelievable thing in this show is the Russians hiding in an underground base under a mall and hopper escaping the gulag

I did actually get exactly what I wanted with Max in the finale. I was hoping that she would live, but get reaaaally fucked up, and that's what I got. They even went the extra step and made her (I assume) permanently blind, which is interesting.

I gotta be honest, this is probably my favorite season out of the ones that gave been released so far. And the subplot with Jim is probably my favorite parts of this season (other than everything with Eddie)

The editing and cinematography is where Stranger Things shines. Like, the Master of Puppets scene was so perfectly put together that I personally think it's the best scene in the entire series.

As you said in the last Stranger Things review, I can’t take the monsters seriously when they keep being defeated by a bunch of kids. Not to mention, the plot armor for the main characters is annoying. Where are the stakes? I liked [REDACTED] and it bothered me that they killed him off at the end of the season. While I understand why people do like it, it just felt hollow for me. The only thing I really liked was Lucas’ performance at Max’s “death.”

It's a fantasy show for teens. I dunno what to tell you other than "kids saving the world" is just kinda part of the genre.