The Time Futurama Broke Itself

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    Futurama is one of the greatest animated shows of all time. Bender, Fry and the rest of this universe may also be a great example of what can go wrong with one of modern medias most talked about trends, the retcon. While the best Futurama episodes all stand the test of time, one was changed, and not for the better. If you know anything about a waiting dog, you might be one step ahead. Sometimes the best media can magnify what works and what doesn't within a medium, Futurama is one of those pieces of media.

Nerdstalgic
Nerdstalgic

Futurama is my favorite show. What’s yours? Link to the brand new Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nerdstalgicyt ALSO: You could argue that BBS creates an alternate universe/timeline in which a different seymour is saved of his fate. That’s fair! I still feel a bit cheated by BBS but that is a good counter point. However, this is a video that uses Futurama as a conduit for an altogether different discussion about media. So maybe I can dive into time travel in media in a different vid!

Vor Monat
Mr Moogul
Mr Moogul

Anohana: short, sweet, and beautifully made.

Vor 14 Stunden
Otaku_McLovin420 *
Otaku_McLovin420 *

definitely one of my favorite animated shows. I thought I saw a phrenology degree in there though. does that really count? 🤔😁

Vor 6 Tage
Digitalhunny
Digitalhunny

Love Family Guy. Closely followed by Rick & Morty and than American Dad. You _could_ say... Imma _toonie_ kinda lady. 😂😂😂

Vor 6 Tage
Rogue CHlNCHlLLA
Rogue CHlNCHlLLA

Gravity Falls

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eddog6666
eddog6666

It is the Winx Club. In season 3 the girls have to deal with a very tough foe who has a piece of the same power as one of the girls. in episode 13 which is called One Last fluttering of Wings. one of the characters seems to die. the episode after #14 Fury Most of the main characters decide to act on revenge. all but one. it gets to the point where the most powerful one is actually trying to get revenge. but with a timed intervention by the teachers she doesn't succeed. It also Forces the Headmistress of the school to make a decision. She sends the unstable one to a place where dark thoughts brings death or focus on survival. The episode is made a lot more dramatic by a prefect cliffhanger. no show has ever measured up. just watch the Rai English version

Vor 7 Tage
Nick
Nick

Jurassic Bark broke my heart.

Vor Stunde
trevor dahl
trevor dahl

Disclose your sponsorships in the beginning of the video please

Vor 5 Stunden
Drew A
Drew A

That was a different timeline though due to the events in the movie. The Jurassic Bark episode was still based on the events in the "original" untampered with timeline.

Vor 9 Stunden
Pat Trainor
Pat Trainor

As one of my FB aliases, Dr. Persius Flatula, would say, "You better check out what my degrees actually mean..." You see, he has a degree in Phrenology, too!

Vor 9 Stunden
IceMetalPunk
IceMetalPunk

Because of time travel, this is a bit like saying if write someone a love letter, but erase it after they've read it, then you're retconning the letter and whatever impact it had is erased as well. In this case, the growth and emotional tugging still existed even if the events that caused them are overwritten.

Vor 12 Stunden
Santos L. Harper
Santos L. Harper

You forget, these writers understood physics and created these narratives knowing some if not most of their viewers also understood. Particularly the tangential timelines caused by time travel and the cause and effect from creating a many worlds omniverse. Not to mention, Fry, Hubert and Bender transported through 2 universal endings and creations! Physics makes the Jurassic Bark episode exempt from retcon...

Vor 18 Stunden
Nerdstalgic
Nerdstalgic

Hey! I address this in the Pinned comment. You’re taking the idea of the retcon too literally, the video is about the emotional realities behind changing the narrative of something you love. Alternate timelines have no bearing on the personal impact of a moment. I see what you mean in terms of defining the word as textbook though!

Vor 11 Stunden
zerocooltx
zerocooltx

I'm not crying. You're crying.

Vor 19 Stunden
Andrew Stamps
Andrew Stamps

i disagree both events happened

Vor 23 Stunden
Joshua Quon
Joshua Quon

Um I just watched this. Do you know the that in Japan there was a dog name Akita that waited for it's owner for nine years!!! That's what the original episode is about.

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GamingBoots
GamingBoots

Wait, there was a new MIB?

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iP0TAT0
iP0TAT0

3:10 lethal needle

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Daniel Bermudez
Daniel Bermudez

**SPOILERS** - - - - However THIS Fry did not know any of this and still is shaped by those decisions. In 'Game of Tones' he still thinks that Seymour will move on without him and he decides to rewrite his own (short) history so that he can spend his last few moments in the "present" with him (by shrinking him in his pocket). WE may feel better about Seymour's fate, but Fry (alpha) does not change his conceptions or interpretations of that. In a way Seymour may have known Lars was not Fry (Alpha) and did move on. We do not know that we only have what little actions we saw in BBS between Seymour and Lars.

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Curtis Newton
Curtis Newton

it does not remove the emotional charge, it transfers it, now it's not the dog waiting 15 years for his master, but Fry having to live all these years without lela

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Curtis Newton
Curtis Newton

greatest show ever, too clever for the average no wonder why we keep having really worthless simpsons episodes

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Game Warrior
Game Warrior

I disagree with your opinion on the dogs continuity. In the Jurassic bark episode Seymour did live that sad life and had a sad end and the alternative timeline could not have been made until fry made his decision to go back. So there are essentially 2 Seymour timelines with different outcomes, 1 good 1 very sad. At the time fry found the dog fossil he wouldn't be in the past. Seymour would not have the good ending until the very point fry made his decision to go back thus creating this alternate outcome.

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HailAnts
HailAnts

The manipulation of Seymour’s past into something a little happier was just the writers messing with the fans! They knew how beloved that episode and plot point was so they had to revisit it. They mention ‘finding’ Fry’s dog a few more times in later episodes..

Vor 2 Tage
MrJHate
MrJHate

I’ve got a tattoo of Seymour lying on the curb on my arm...I’m a fan lol

Vor 2 Tage
NoESanity
NoESanity

The big thing to remeber is futurama works in a converging timeline concept. There are plenty of examples of them going to the past and changing things. Even to the specifics like the diffrence between scooty puff jr. and sr. So the fact that a fry lived in the past doesnt change the fact that a Seymour lived 12 years waiting for our main primary fry.

Vor 2 Tage
C1ips0 Official
C1ips0 Official

honestly when RETCON is done bad, it means that it takes away from the meaning. good RETCON can change the tone and implications of the story and adds to world. plot twists are a classic form of RETCON.

Vor 2 Tage
DJRonnieG
DJRonnieG

That kind of shit with dogs puts me in the verge if tears.

Vor 2 Tage
Gary Stump Sr
Gary Stump Sr

My favorite aspect of the show was Fry's undying devotion to Leela. That's why I thought the finale was so great.

Vor 2 Tage
Tarvoc
Tarvoc

The video where Nerdstalgic doesn't want a dog to live a happy life.

Vor 2 Tage
Sun Hat
Sun Hat

Berkeley does not give degrees in parapsychology. Phrenology never had a single college class, and has been proven false dozens of times. The other degrees just say "Degree" or "Master's in science". If you had any clue about the staff having actual degrees, you could at least produce a single example. Instead your graphic shows anti-science.

Vor 3 Tage
Sun Hat
Sun Hat

Because you promoted phrenology as a science, I have flagged you as: violent or repulsive, personal attacks (because I am not an inbred royal), and for spam or misleading. Yeah, your stupid joke violated at least 3 of YouTube's conditions.

Vor 3 Tage
Nerdstalgic
Nerdstalgic

I knew you Phrenologists would end up in this comment section. Please stop pushing Phrenology onto my viewers. I will you report, because I am an inbred royal, for your prenological beliefs. It’s sick and you should be ashamed.

Vor 2 Tage
Fervidor
Fervidor

I don't really see why saving that dog from over a decade of loneliness and heartbreak is a bad thing. That sounds like a good retcon to me. I mean, I'm not sentimental enough to have considered Jurassic Bark the saddest thing ever as so many others seem to, but if that's how you felt, having it retconned should surely have come as a _relief,_ right? One might look at it as more of a _plot twist,_ where something you found depressing gets turned around and made hopeful and heartwarming. Time travel stories actually do this all the time, just not typically in this format. At any rate, I don't quite get why so many people seem to value narratives that make them sad higher than ones that make them happy.

Vor 3 Tage
Fervidor
Fervidor

@Nerdstalgic Methinks you are misinterpreting me – even, dare I say, attempting to render me a man made out of straw? I never said _all_ stories should be happy, all the time. I was just making an observation regarding what I view as an odd anomaly in the emotional reactions people generally tend to have towards fiction. Trust me, I know _full well_ that life can be painful, and I don't believe art should necessarily reject that reality. But that's exactly _why_ I appreciate whatever moments of comfort and happiness I can find, in life as well as art, and I don't understand why any sane person would reject them. You want to talk about _real life?_ Fine. Suppose then that you suffer some serious personal tragedy. Let's say, you come to believe that someone you care strongly about has died. Obviously this would be a very painful experience for you. Only, later you learn that through some miraculous turn of events, they somehow survived. They're fine. Would that _disappoint_ you? Would you feel let down, betrayed, as if the pain you experienced before had been cheapened somehow? Rather than feeling immense relief and gratitude, would you rather that your loved one had the decency to stay dead so that you could keep feeling sorry about it, reveling in that beautiful little tragedy of yours? Of course not. Because that would be _insane._ And yet, that's exactly how people behave when it comes to sad stories. Like they're _sacred_ or something. Don't get me wrong, I do agree that there can be beauty in sadness. I just don't understand why everyone seems to get disproportionately defensive about it. Really, now, what is this? Some misplaced reverence for solemnity, taken too far? Do you gain some sort of masochistic pleasure from the suffering of fictional characters? Or is it just ordinary _jealousy?_ “I didn't get a lucky break when I suffered, why should these characters get one? That's unfair!” I don't know, but it does worry me. It just doesn't seem healthy.

Vor 4 Stunden
Nerdstalgic
Nerdstalgic

Life isn’t a series of roses and butterflies, Art isn’t meant to be happy all the time. Nor should it be. That isn’t what life is. To pretend it is, is to create something almost entirely detached and in relateable. The show certainly isn’t always happy either.

Vor 9 Stunden
Jake Rinker
Jake Rinker

Alternate Timelines my Friend, the moment that Fry decided to go back, it both happens and doesn't happen. Seymour both was abandoned and lived with Fry, you seem to not be a Sci-Fi fan.

Vor 3 Tage
WitlessMean
WitlessMean

"it is one of the emotionally impactful pieces of animation you'll ever see". I guess if you've never watched one of 10s of thousands of Japanese animations in your entire life this is true. If your knowledge of animation pertains only to say....what is on modern western cartoons and your comparing it with the likes of The Simpsons and South park?

Vor 3 Tage
Damien King-Acevedo
Damien King-Acevedo

I don't think it changes it all that much; in the end, Fry still leaves his dog dead, and he's still leaving the dog dead due to a misunderstanding. Seymore never moved on, in either timeline; in both he was still Fry's dog, and in both, Fry leave's him dead, because he mistakenly thought that he'd moved on.

Vor 3 Tage
br1ght3std4y
br1ght3std4y

Actually is it really a retcon? Those two episodes actually go very well with the many words theory, Fry being frozen created a quantum event in where the universe would have split allowing both outcomes to happen. So Seymour is both happy and sad and all Futurama did was add to the Schrödinger’s cat experiment where until it is observed both lines happen, and once observed the possible outcomes collapse to the out come we observed, we just got to see both ( with an added timey whimey nonsense in there too lol ).

Vor 3 Tage
Dennis Evans
Dennis Evans

I wouldn't really say that this was a particularly bad retcon, it was just a means of telling an alternate story. If you go back and watch the series from beginning to end and get to Jurassic Bark, it hits you just as hard every time. I've watched the series from beginning to end in marathon form, 5 times. Even the clip out of context with the closing music to the episode still makes me tear up nearly 20 years later.

Vor 4 Tage
John La Duke
John La Duke

No, I disagree. Seymour's fate hurt so very badly from the first time around that it was like healing our souls to have Fry come home. It's like they actually took us to a real farm where everyone's first dog is in fact happily chasing rabbits in the sunshine.

Vor 4 Tage
almost7891
almost7891

"It removes the impact" It doesn't change the effect the episode had when you first watched it though. Also is a retcon involving time travel the same as a regular retcon? I feel like it kinda gets a pass.

Vor 4 Tage
Jaime Leogárdo
Jaime Leogárdo

This is only a retcon if it was in the same (and not a parallel) universe.

Vor 4 Tage
The Famous Hacker
The Famous Hacker

4:30 "emotionally impactful" me, through tears: "Thats an understatement"

Vor 4 Tage
sebastian
sebastian

I will name my dog Seymour in honor of this fallen hero.

Vor 4 Tage
Thomas
Thomas

How was it a retcon? Who said Fry went back in time in the same timeline that we know? He could've just gone to a different timeline but it just so happened the fabric of space time linked all of those timelines. I don't think this video quite understand how time travel works.

Vor 4 Tage
Can we get 1000 Subscribers with no Videos???
Can we get 1000 Subscribers with no Videos???

It's only retconning if you assume that time travel is deterministic. Like the series DARK.

Vor 4 Tage
Kyle Kloepping
Kyle Kloepping

Futurama is my favorite show still, the story line hits so hard

Vor 4 Tage
pollard1997
pollard1997

most of the remakes i don't watch because they change them purely on political grounds to appease the politics of today including characters which exist without story. ghost busters rather then taking the golden opportunity to pass the torch from the old characters to the new one's they wrote it in such a way to just shoe horn it in. all remade series and modern iteration of past media i watched i can state with certainty only ruin it by not making original story or reason for existence and just appealing the new with the facade of the old.

Vor 4 Tage
Zachary Williams
Zachary Williams

I feel like there is a simple solution, when dealing with time travel, you can not just jump back and forth between eras. If you jump between time, new realities are created behind you like a spider web so one could imagine that the old fry created a new reality when jumping to the future leaving his timelines reality behind. Simply a theory because there is no way to prove time travel but this is what I always figured.

Vor 4 Tage
Olivia drinkwine
Olivia drinkwine

the fact that semore's dog stayed outside a shop for 12 years actually might be a reference to Hachi a dog who waited outside a train station for his master for 12 years after he died.

Vor 5 Tage
wanderingbufoon
wanderingbufoon

People mentioning Fry going back in time only messing about with Seymour's timeline. What about his family? His mother longed for him when he was gone. His own mother even had a trans temporal psychic dream which she shared with Fry. Francis named his son after his brother to live the life that he shouldve lived before vanishing.

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wanderingbufoon
wanderingbufoon

The biggest retcon to me in futurama is my tears. It was suppose to make me laugh, but instead you get the feels.

Vor 5 Tage
mmartinisgreat
mmartinisgreat

This could be fixed with parallel universes.

Vor 5 Tage
Nikolai J
Nikolai J

Even knowing that overall Seymour lives a happy full life alongside Fry, it doesn't diminish the amount of emotional power Jurassic Bark carried. My girlfriend and I have re-watched Futurama easily 6 times, but Jurassic Bark always hits hard, thats good writing, even when you know it ends well, for the time being in hurts.

Vor 5 Tage
Mason Sommers
Mason Sommers

Best cartoon of all time, any other runners? Don’t hit me with rick and morty, season 3&4 took that show out of the running

Vor 5 Tage
IcedFate
IcedFate

you're looking at it like "oh we now know that 5 years from now, it's gonna be all right, so it loses its impact" but the viewers aren't "supposed" to know that, if they are watching the episodes in order, like they should, then they will see jurassic bark first, feel the impact, then later, they will see bender's big score.

Vor 5 Tage
C. C. I.
C. C. I.

Uhm no it didn‘t retcon as in „somehow explaining how the new shit fits in with the old stuff“. They just changed a detail in the past by time travel. Retcon would be an extra episode where you see how the Fry clone who lived with Seymour actually neglects him or gets lost or whatever turning the sequences in bark episode where you see Seymour desperatly waiting for Fry into something where he‘s actually waiting for the Fry clone.

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jbarthol
jbarthol

Always found Jurassic Bark to be extremely depressing, much like its source material Hachiko. Never understood why people think it's a great story.

Vor 5 Tage
Alexander Gomes
Alexander Gomes

Larz came back for Seymour

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I like turtles
I like turtles

While the episode jurassic bark is unforgettable, the epilogue of seymor just felt hamfisted and awkward. I don't mind the writers revisiting those part of their works.

Vor 5 Tage
JEBEDIAH8D
JEBEDIAH8D

the seymor episode will never not make me ball my eyes out

Vor 5 Tage
G r a h a m
G r a h a m

My favorite is when fry and lela grow old stuck in a hyper existence "what do you say,go around once more?"

Vor 6 Tage
TriadAgone
TriadAgone

I still cry every time.

Vor 6 Tage
Chaz Searson
Chaz Searson

That was great. Thanks.

Vor 6 Tage
Nikki Kilo
Nikki Kilo

Godfellas really messed with me that was an interesting episode

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Z A W A R U D O T O K I W O T O M A R E !
Z A W A R U D O T O K I W O T O M A R E !

this was boring and too long, your tempo of talking is also really forced. dont strain urself.

Vor 6 Tage
The Mongoose
The Mongoose

Alllll hail HYPNOTOADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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Anne Choy
Anne Choy

Jurassic Bark was also modeled after Hachiko the dog that waited at the train station for the professor that would never return.

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Berkehan Yılmaz
Berkehan Yılmaz

There literally is zero science in Futurama,did you even watch the show?

Vor 6 Tage
ReZisT Lust
ReZisT Lust

Damn i thought this was gonna be an episode on when futurama broke time

Vor 6 Tage
Spritemanplus
Spritemanplus

Man I thought I was subscripted to both your channels I guess I was unsubscribed somehow, I absolutely love your content it's well thought out and put together so beautifully your probably one of my favorite content creator keep up the great work man!

Vor 6 Tage
HanIsTheMan
HanIsTheMan

I enjoyed Jurassic Bark because it reminded me of the real-life story of Hachikō, the dog that (after the death of his owner) spent every day for nine years visiting the train station his owner used to commute to work, always expecting he would return.

Vor 6 Tage
Morse Code Stutters
Morse Code Stutters

I can't contain the feels

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thelightningwave
thelightningwave

I had an amazing dog for approximately a year and a half and sadly I lost her over a year ago. Even though I have a new dog I still can't get over my old dog, it might have to do with the the fact that she was was really good and always whimpered when I came home.

Vor 6 Tage
Nick S
Nick S

No no no no no. Thumbs down. Jurassic Bark is a least favorite most unwatched epidsode. That's why they joked with one opening credit "Not the dog episode". They retconned it literally for their fans and we love and accept the erasing of such a terrible decision to give that dog a sad life. Screw this channel.

Vor 6 Tage
Aksel Smith
Aksel Smith

No it doesnt remove the meaning because still happened simply in anothr timeline... fry went backbin time and thereby made another timeline where everything in that episode happened

Vor 6 Tage
Eragonarya
Eragonarya

didn't fry go on a long trip to get leelu back from the arctic and only just got back before his dog gets fossilized? That could explain why he was looking for fry in front of panucci's all depressed like.

Vor 6 Tage
cyrilio
cyrilio

Come on dude. You’re making me cry at breakfast. RIP Seymour Ps how is split opposites compared to this? Somehow I feel theyre similar on many levels.

Vor 7 Tage
Darque1137
Darque1137

Wait, wait, wait... At 1:47... a "Doctorate Degree in Phrenology?" What, wasn't there one for astrology?

Vor 7 Tage
Ghost
Ghost

Oh you mean retcon 40k cough cough sry I meant Warhammer 40k

Vor 7 Tage
SeraphimSiN
SeraphimSiN

It doesn't change or undermine anything. It is a separate timeline. Seymour both died alone waiting for Fry and knew Fry in the timeline in which he stayed.

Vor 7 Tage
Bunskygoesrawr
Bunskygoesrawr

Time travel creates new realities.... how did this get forgotten?

Vor 7 Tage
GOOBERz777
GOOBERz777

one of these on the venture bros would be cool

Vor 7 Tage
MrStrangeSensation
MrStrangeSensation

Just remembering the song that played during the credits gets me choked up. Yes brilliant writing and a legendary piece of animated storytelling. But also FUCK THAT EPISODE FOREVER. "I will wait...for yooouuu" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Vor 7 Tage
Velldog
Velldog

Doesn't come close to ATLA

Vor 7 Tage
Josue Alcala
Josue Alcala

Wait... Aren't you that guy that does essays on videogames? The one with the too tall desk?

Vor 7 Tage
Christian the Pilgrim
Christian the Pilgrim

Am I right in thinking that Fry is the most noble, self-sacrificial character in all TV? A good heart without a good brain still makes him the hero, whether he wants to be or not.

Vor 7 Tage
Bruce Morris
Bruce Morris

In the right episodes, he’s definitely up there. “Parasites Lost” and “Time Keeps On Slippin”, for instance. Dang it now I have to watch Season 3 again 😂😂😂

Vor 5 Tage
Kyle Walker
Kyle Walker

I guess time makes fools of us all

Vor 7 Tage

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