The Last of Us Part 2 - A Beautiful Nightmare

  • Am Vor 2 years

    The Critical DrinkerThe Critical Drinker

    The time has come for me to review this beast. After playing Last of Us 2 from start to finish, here is my review.

S1ipperyJim
S1ipperyJim

I mean she could have just tuned the guitar to drop D then she'd only need one finger to play some sick power chords

Vor 2 years
Frank Balatbat
Frank Balatbat

Linkin park in a nutshell.

Vor 7 Monate
J Cohasset
J Cohasset

I think it's more symbolic of her leaving the guitar behind at the end of the game as leaving behind Joel and her old life considering she did a lot of morally questionable things in the course of her revenge and there was a heavy cost for her and her friends. It might also be symbolic for the developers that this was the last we'd see any of TLoU characters since all of their stories are done (regardless of whether fans were satisfied with the ending).

Vor 7 Monate
Johnny Flannigan
Johnny Flannigan

She could have been a shitty 2000s guitarist

Vor 7 Monate
Ricardo666
Ricardo666

@Jeff Grey Yes, Kurt Cobain and Jimi Hendrix as well.

Vor 8 Monate
dilbophagginz
dilbophagginz

She could always go the Tony Iommi route too

Vor 8 Monate
spiralflame88
spiralflame88

I got a divorce and was in a motorcycle collision the same year this game came out and I still think about the disappointing experience I had with this game!

Vor year
Anthony Weise
Anthony Weise

😂😂😂🤣

Vor 22 Tage
Jobra Kai
Jobra Kai

Sorry bro. 2020 was an absolute shit year from Hell

Vor Monat
TS 00
TS 00

Thats crazy

Vor 2 Monate
Magda Pizza
Magda Pizza

Sorry to hear that

Vor 2 Monate
RC1140 Fixer
RC1140 Fixer

Massive F

Vor 2 Monate
Milney
Milney

I could understand Ellie realising at the last moment that revenge isn't what she really wanted and choosing to let Abby go... if she hadn't just tracked Abby across multiple states and killed over 300 people to get to her

Vor 4 Monate
Ramdileo. sys
Ramdileo. sys

ohhh,... because she don't want to kill her.... she want to kill all her friends an allies..... so "gigantor" feels what she feels when male patriarch died... is a woman type of revenge .. see..??

Vor 16 Tage
C I
C I

Hate that trope. You already killed people that were probably more innocent than the person you want revenge on. Why in Kill Bill Vol 1. I like where The Bride spared that one teenager and told him to go back to his mother.

Vor Monat
Fie
Fie

That's lame indeed

Vor Monat
ifly fsx
ifly fsx

We, the players, don't get to see that flashback about Joel and Ellie's last talk until the end. But Ellie knew. That was in Ellie's head all this time. And what about Abby killing Jesse, and mutilating Tommy, and almost slicing Dina's throat AFTER getting her deranged revenge? The story is garbage. So broken in so many ways.

Vor Monat
Kohdey
Kohdey

Imagine someone killing your dad in front of you, very brutally then trying to sympathize with the killer and care about them... it would never happen. That is what this game tried to do. When I was playing Gigantor I would kill myself on purpose to see her die. Such a disappointment, waiting this long for a game and they just ruined it. They are going to ruin it even more with the tv show coming out with, you watch.

Vor year
Charlotte Walnut
Charlotte Walnut

@Æ Sunset Nutrix Æ except she should’ve killed Abby and she should’ve tortured her to death I think the game should’ve given you say six or seven options would you like to skim the bitch and wear her as a coat and you get a new cool looking piece of clothing that has a human face for a hood or would you like to feed her to her still somewhat living boyfriend piece by piece or how about burning her alive starting at the feet to make sure that she doesn’t get to suffocate like most victims of burning

Vor 23 Tage
Charlotte Walnut
Charlotte Walnut

@Æ Sunset Nutrix Æ She’s being planted into the ground do you know how much it would hurt to actually move her head so that she couldn’t see that it would grind her nose to bloody pulp or break it at the very least

Vor 23 Tage
Lesley Harrys
Lesley Harrys

@Thomas-Son You are really dumb. “We only care about Joel, because we spent 15 hours controlling him with buttons. His death is much worse than the dozens of people he murdered, and loved ones of those he murdered just need to suck it up.”

Vor Monat
Naitor259
Naitor259

@Æ Sunset Nutrix Æ shooting him in the leg is still going to kill him regardless or leave him scarred for life, and you can't just knock someone who has a knife unconscious, he was a potential danger to ellie as well considering he could've held her hostage

Vor Monat
Don Jon
Don Jon

Abby>ellie. I mean I would liked this game better if the roles were reversed, abby killed ellie to piss joel and joel go to seattle for revenge.

Vor 2 Monate
The Raine Network
The Raine Network

I don’t think he covered Ellie’s sexuality enough in this review

Vor year
Hzhd 7udu
Hzhd 7udu

@Osafune2 Ellie's been a lesbian since the first game if u played the dlc. And no that wasn't a friend kiss

Vor 9 Tage
Hzhd 7udu
Hzhd 7udu

@Patches everything can be made into a propaganda

Vor 9 Tage
Hzhd 7udu
Hzhd 7udu

@Being for real unfortunately yeah, but Ellie has been queer since the first game with Riley. And no it wasn't a friend kiss u can easily tell.

Vor 9 Tage
Anonymous
Anonymous

@Mimsy it was pretty much known since the DLC of part 1 btw.

Vor 20 Tage
tyler wagner
tyler wagner

I dont think the game covered it enough.

Vor Monat
L S
L S

"No one wins" Abby did. She killed Joel and got away with it.

Vor 2 years
L S
L S

@XTREMEKILLERMAN 7 Really enjoying all the Abby defenders trying to stretch and make her look less like a piece of shit lol

Vor Monat
Ethun
Ethun

@XTREMEKILLERMAN 7 ez dub

Vor Monat
XTREMEKILLERMAN 7
XTREMEKILLERMAN 7

Uh, did you play the game? Every single one of her friends...were murdered. That is not a win

Vor Monat
O J
O J

But she really didn’t everyone she loved dies and she gets tortured for 2 months

Vor 2 Monate
Ethun
Ethun

@Moorhys good

Vor 2 Monate
Manoel Eduardo Araujo Filho
Manoel Eduardo Araujo Filho

" There was a sequel. Wasn't very good " - Joel

Vor 3 Monate
Tarun Kumar
Tarun Kumar

@Nick Sutter No, this quote is from the second game. It happens during the flashback of Ellie's birthday.

Vor 10 Tage
Nick Sutter
Nick Sutter

Wait, wasn't this a first game quote? I hope so, because wow... it's been an age...

Vor Monat
Salt and dragons
Salt and dragons

What sequel?

Vor 2 Monate
Alex Hollon
Alex Hollon

I'll disagree that I don't remotely believe this was bold. Neil KNEW this game would get praised by critics and certainly believed this game would be a massive success. Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't scream bold and brave. It screams forced and pandering to a specific crowd. A risk would actually challenge everyone. Actually, I take that back. Challenging implies I actually need time to think about it to understand what it means. I, and pretty much everyone already actually knew what it meant. Time has only made it worse.

Vor year
Northstar
Northstar

@GODZILLAZFRICTION it's still there 😂

Vor 12 Tage
L
L

Wait, you don't understand. It was indeed bald for them to kill a beloved character and destroy the other. Thst it was done very very poorly is a different story.

Vor 2 Monate
Alex Hollon
Alex Hollon

@Phatt Johnson A risk wouldn't pander to the journalists and allow characters like Abby to be actual characters. Here's a risk, about something that does allow itself to go that dark, but DOESN'T end so empty and could be maybe a cautionary tale. Instead of "life sucks, fuck off".

Vor 2 Monate
Phatt Johnson
Phatt Johnson

What is a risk in your eyes? I'd like to see your multi-million dollar narrative franchise..

Vor 2 Monate
LeonardiLifter
LeonardiLifter

@Isaac Ng Jun Han I’d really love to read the study where you got that information that you obviously made up lmao

Vor 2 Monate
MrSpartan993
MrSpartan993

Just imagine John Wick goes through the entire movie killing mobsters but at the end he spares the guy who killed his dog.

Vor 5 Monate
Liam Phibian
Liam Phibian

Yeah tha-that would have left a bad taste in everyone's mouths.

Vor 27 Tage
TheUcheO
TheUcheO

Agh, yeah. This one. This one is a good comparison.

Vor Monat
Crunshible beetlejuice
Crunshible beetlejuice

They should make that a game idea

Vor Monat
TheBigPig
TheBigPig

There's a reason Christopher Nolan never made any sequels to Inception or Memento, because those stories had incredibly ambiguous endings that set massive cliffhangers between who was right or wrong and big questions about what was really happening. Creating sequels to those movies would have completely undone the sense of mystery surrounding the endings to them. The same goes for this thing.

Vor 9 Monate
Joe Foulger
Joe Foulger

@sergio martinez fernandez I'm no fan of media hype either. But trying to describe Inception as overrated is completely contrived and comes across as pining for attention because you're "beyond all that" and don't believe the "status quo." Inception was brilliantly written and executed from start to finish. For a movie about concepts that are impossible to try and comprehend or rationalize, it handles the mechanics of the world really well and is excellent at suspending the disbelief of the viewer. To claim otherwise is really just kind of silly. I've yet to meet a person calling Inception overrated who wasn't doing it for attention. That or they've only seen the movie once and claim to have spotted a million plot holes and contrivances in one go like some sort of super genius movie aficionado, which is even more ridiculous than grasping at straws for attention. The movie has some plot holes. It has some story contrivances. But the character and world building along with the overall storytelling are so undeniably fantastic it's really easy to overlook the minor issues that arise when attempting to write a story as ambitious and complex as it is. TLDR; Inception isn't overrated. Stop grasping at straws for attention from random people on the inernet

Vor 2 Monate
trolleriffic
trolleriffic

@AinulVTuber When you consider how challenging it is to develop and manufacture vaccines now with all the resources available to modern science and biotechnology, the idea that a small group in a post-apocalyptic world would have a realistic chance of doing the same is pretty fanciful. Also, even if it was possible there's no way a surgeon would be the person to develop it because surgeon's don't have any of the right knowledge or experience to do so. Just because they work in medicine doesn't mean they know a thing about the unbelievably complex subject of infection and immunity which is a field of study in which there's still a lot that isn't understood.

Vor 2 Monate
AinulVTuber
AinulVTuber

@Aku is Best Girl I love how everyone is just automatically assuming it´s a cure that would´ve been created. It was a >vaccine they >tried to create from something they absolutely don´t know anything about in detail. It was a chance for only possibly stopping further infections, but there are so many factors that people ignore. What if it can´t be recreated after the initial fungus they sampled from her brain? Suddenly the vaccine would be ridiculously limited. How well does this vaccine work and how long does it last? Does it affect all people? Does it only work on teenage girls? Does it even replicate the immunity Ellie has or does it only slow down the infection cycle? What about further mutation of the fungus to bypass it? They didn´t at all have a plan for anything surefire, it was just a ridiculously small chance that it can be replicated with another human. So, let´s go from that scenario: They killed Ellie and got her head shroom. But now it doesn´t work at all. It turns out it doesn´t even protect for a smidge from an infection for anyone. Joel didn´t doom humanity. If anything, the reckless behaviour of the Fireflies worsened an already bad situation by promising things they had no clue of as they were only poking at the dark with no second chance to redeem a fuckup. I am pretty sure Ellie wouldn´t need to die for them to get SOMETHING to research. They don´t need to saw open her cranium, that´s not how medicine works.

Vor 2 Monate
sergio martinez fernandez
sergio martinez fernandez

The ending of memento literally explains the whole movie (tipic on Nolan) and the ending of Inception is to try to make an overrated movie better with a shot with no sense

Vor 2 Monate
Rohan Mondkar
Rohan Mondkar

@Aku is Best Girl You misunderstand what the OP is saying. The ending is really ambiguous and leaves it to the players interpretation in multiple ways. It lets you be the judge on whether what Joel did was wrong or right. It also lets the player decide if Joel really did doom humanity or save the only chance of humanity from dying on a surgery table as the Fireflies are incompetent, hasty, do not have the proper equipment and skilled labor, untrustworthy, and have failed with multiple other test subjects. It also lets the player decide if Joel’s actions were completely selfish or he also did it so Ellie gets a fair chance at life since Fireflies were going to kill her in her sleep without her permission. It lets the player be the judge on whether Joel was right in lying to Ellie at the end or should he have just come clean. It also leaves it slightly ambiguous in the fact whether Ellie believed his lie or knew she is being lied to and went along with it. Most of the answers to these questions are probably somewhere in the middle which make the first game such a balanced and praised masterpiece. Part 2 essentially took all that ambiguity and took sides by completely leaning into Joel as the objective villain, Ellie believed Joel, the vaccine was guaranteed, etc kind of stance by making a lot of retcons along the way to make its plot even somewhat believable but at the expense of beloved characters. The game also not-so-subtly take sides with Abby and her father being righteous while painting Joel and Ellie being hateful and full of bloodlust for some reason, which makes no sense when you think about it.

Vor 3 Monate
Soridan
Soridan

I'm starting to really despise this trend of killing main characters from previous entries in a franchise in demeaning ways.

Vor 2 years
Fraser Souris
Fraser Souris

@C I And the point of the story is that the player isn't Snake either. The player is far closer to Raiden than they are to Snake. So everything they hate about Raiden such as him being whiny, uncool, inexperienced etc applies to the player as well. So the player should recognize that after playing the game. That's why the game ends with Raiden having the player's dog tags the whole time and then throwing them away. Because now Raiden isn't like the player anymore and has become cool while the player hasn't. The Last of Us 2 attempts a similar message. That there's a "we are the protagonist of our own story" perspective we all share. Every reason the player has to hate Abby for killing Joel applies just as much, if not more to Joel for killing Jerry. The player should recognize that and grow as a person. That we shouldn't be blinded by the recency effect.

Vor 29 Tage
C I
C I

@Simon Forrester yeah it be like CJ killing Tommy Vercetti in one mission by burying him in cement while he's in a porta potty. Like no. Have that guy be an awesome boss fight and die like a badass.

Vor Monat
C I
C I

@Fraser Souris but Snake still seems much cooler in comparison. Even the game director Hideo Kojima said that one aspect of Raiden is Snake seems lile a more badass and legendary hero.

Vor Monat
Naitor259
Naitor259

@Thiago "only 4 comments" dude you looked like you were literally having a mental breakdown

Vor Monat
commies aren’t people
commies aren’t people

@Thiago you should join the rest of your ilk in the 41% club.

Vor Monat
な6IXLXRD
な6IXLXRD

Forgive the rant literally a year later, but I personally feel like what made Part 1 so great is how ambiguous its message, themes, and characters were; it was a game that allowed players room to think for themselves and form their own detached beliefs/opinions separate from the beliefs and opinions of the protagonist they experienced the game’s world from, and by its end, you either agreed or disagreed with Joel’s decision…all WITHOUT the game telling you how to feel about his decision, or how to feel about anything. It believed that you as a player were mature enough to understand right from wrong, and could grasp that such notions no longer existed in a world where there were no right or wrong people, but survivors doing whatever it took to survive, “shitty people” in a shitty world. Part 2 abandoned this moral thematic ambiguity. Suddenly, Joel is wrong and deserves to die for what he did, Abby is right for killing him, Ellie is wrong for hunting Abby like Abby hunted Joel because Joel was wrong for hurting Abby despite the fact that Abby is somehow right for hurting Ellie because Joel hurt Abby. It’s exploitative, it’s cheap, it’s manipulative. You should feel what the game decides it wants you to feel whenever the game decides you should feel it. Also, I feel like Abby would’ve been a far easier character to connect with if her loved one wasn’t Random NPC #202, but Marlene. Imagine subtly hinting that Marlene was her mother, and how that would’ve added a sense of tragedy and layer of depth to Marlene’s character, painting her final moments in a whole new light. It’d raise the stakes if ND didn’t retcon Ellie secretly knowing the truth, if Abby had infiltrated their group to get close to and kill Joel, and in a climax of sorts (thanks to Abby’s actions) Joel gets bit and turns…then we as Ellie are forced to mercy kill him, and later watch Ellie deteriorate with madness and regret since Joel could’ve been cured if she died. I guess the fact of the matter is that we as unpaid fans could’ve come up with something better than what we got.

Vor year
Nick Sutter
Nick Sutter

That last sentence hits home. Feels like they are being too heavy handed, feels less like a game and more like and evil movie, though. Weren't games made to be, well, played? Would have been good to have 1 the way it was again. Just moving through a ruined city and killing undead. I wish we had that again. Like early Walking Dead, when you watched people try and survive in ruined America, while the living dead kept them on the move.

Vor Monat
Seth Anglin
Seth Anglin

@jelly jelly The 'context' I think some folks might be losing sight of is that of the gamer. The person you're telling the story to. From that perspective there are hours upon hours invested in a relationship with the characters from Last of Us 1. And from that perspective, do I need, or want, a story to be told where one of my primary relational investments is destroyed abruptly and unceremoniously, and ultimately diminished through the course of the narrative? I'd guess most would decide the answer is 'no.' I'd guess that's Drinkers point. Is this a story that 'needs' to be told? My opinion is it's not. But that doesn't mean a different story couldn't have been told. Plenty of people in these comments have produced very creative ways to tell a story that addresses the question of, 'what happens to Joel and Ellie in this world past the first game?' And I'd argue many have found ways to answer that question with greater narrative fulfillment, while maintaining all of the same core themes or ideas from the game itself. In the end we got what we got. But it's interesting stuff to think about.

Vor 2 Monate
Brandon Gavin
Brandon Gavin

There is no doubt in my mind that the millions of fans of the game could have made a way better game story than this. I don’t even want to watch the show in this day and age. They will destroy it with wokeness and the actor playing Joel is one of the worst SJW’s alive.

Vor 3 Monate
James Carr
James Carr

Holy fuck. That’s actually an amazing idea. Marlene was interesting and likeable from her first second in the first game.

Vor 4 Monate
Joyce Dates
Joyce Dates

@Aposval her dad was defenseless, h had a scalpel. If he had planned it right, while Joel was taking Ellie he could have snuck up/eased up behind he did a killing blow.

Vor 5 Monate
Sidegrabsheriff
Sidegrabsheriff

Joel legit saved abbys life, you think if abby had even half a brain she could see Joel is not this heartless animal she thinks him of

Vor 2 Monate
Pierce Jorgensen
Pierce Jorgensen

@Radisa Gunawardane I wouldn’t say Joel is a bad person. It’s the apocalypse and he’s a broken man. What he did was understandable, but it’s still a monstrous thing to do. That’s what happens in war, too. People do horrible things, for justifiable reasons. That doesn’t make those things okay. In this situation Joel had a choice though and chose to kill innocents and potentially doom us all. A soldier just follows orders. Politicians are to blame for wars, but Joel is responsible for what he did. After re-thinking, you’ve changed my mind a bit. Abby is a worse person. She was out for petty revenge. The same becomes true of Ellie. At least Ellie tried to give it up, but her PTSD and guilt wouldn’t allow it. Joel is not evil, but he did evil things that no amount of good can wash away. Ultimately I just feel bad for Joel and most of the characters and NPCs. He didn’t deserve to die like he did, but neither did the people he slaughtered. Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

Vor 23 Tage
Pierce Jorgensen
Pierce Jorgensen

@Charlotte Walnut Still, massacring a hospital of innocent people trying their best to save the world is wrong. They said they had to kill her to make it work, maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not. It was still humanity’s best hope. Joel snuffed out that hope of a cure that could save millions and prevent possible human extinction.

Vor 23 Tage
Charlotte Walnut
Charlotte Walnut

@Pierce Jorgensen It is explicitly stated in the game if you actually look through the lore that they were failing miserably they had already checked multiple people with the same immunity that Eli had

Vor 23 Tage
Charlotte Walnut
Charlotte Walnut

@Brandon Byrnes Yes it offers a new perspective that being one that makes Jeffrey Dahmer look like a decent human being

Vor 23 Tage
Beerus Sama
Beerus Sama

@Radisa Gunawardane- I played the remake and jus finished part 2 last night and wow the story was jus so deep and insane this series is in my top 10 for sure and everything you said in this thread is what I realized this time around playing the games too bad people are just riding the bandwagon of hating this game without really trying to understand the story that naughty dog was trynna tell

Vor Monat
Incey Wincey
Incey Wincey

Why is nobody mentioning the fact that this is not in fact a cycle of meaningless violence? Abby is a murderer who deserves to be brought to justice. On the other hand Joel is completely justified in his actions, because the Fireflies never obtained either his or Ellie’s consent for the procedure, what they are attempting would be recognised as murder by any civilised justice system. Therefore what Ellie is seeking is justice, not revenge. Justice recognises that some violence is necessary to prevent immoral people (like Abby and her friends) from committing immoral acts, either by sentence of death or imprisonment. Abby and her friends deserved to be punished because what they did was morally wrong. Ellie did not deserve what happened to her at all, and her, Tommy, and Joel all deserved to have justice done.

Vor 4 Monate
trico Olaz
trico Olaz

On the other hand Joel could have just crippled Abby’s dad instead of killing him he didn’t have a gun so Joel could have just blown his legs of then everyone is happy

Vor 11 Tage
RC1140 Fixer
RC1140 Fixer

*Gigantor is a murderer...

Vor 2 Monate
Travis McNasty
Travis McNasty

Amy Hennig was forced out of Naughty Dog for not being feminist enough. Thanks Neil Druckman. Let's reiterate that. A woman who earned everything she had was bullied by a privileged, nepotistic white man into leaving her dream job. A woman who proved herself with her own talents had a horrible career setback by a man who thought too highly of himself. Amy Hennig greatly contributed to The Legacy of Kain, Jak & Daxter, and The Last of Us. Video game stories that are subversive and informative. Neil Druckman is responsible for TLoU Part II. A game that is more divisive than a calculator. I can only assume that Neil got Amy ousted because she isn't particularly good looking.

Vor 2 Monate
crazyinsane500
crazyinsane500

With Nolan North, the voice of Nathan Drake, himself admitting this, it becomes a bigger problem than usual. Good thing Sony's got plenty of people desperate to keep good ties with them, or this could have blown up badly for them.

Vor 2 Monate
SebastianK
SebastianK

Ellie: I can't forgive a random guy who calls me a mean word but I sure can forgive the person who killed my only father figure. 10/10 masterpiece

Vor 2 years
Hyp3r
Hyp3r

@Edward question: do you feel the same way about the first game?

Vor 3 Tage
Hyp3r
Hyp3r

Bruh are you seriously trying to say that Ellie can never forgive Seth? Where in the game does it imply this? Also she didn't forgive Abby so much as just move on

Vor 3 Tage
Ramdileo. sys
Ramdileo. sys

yeah...... I never had enough bad taste to play this kind of awful disgusting ¿"games"? ..... I guess I'm too civilized .... I do love Half-Life... or Counter Strike... or Soldier of Fortune... or No ones Live Forever.. or Duke Nukem... those are and always will be good games... not this disgusting awful bullshit....

Vor 16 Tage
Scott AP
Scott AP

She didn't want to kill the guy that called her "a mean word" but she did want to kill Abby. She understood at the end that killing her wouldn't solve anything, but you call that forgiving her... You are using an apples and oranges way of looking at the game, which figures because most people that hate on it do so in a very immature and superficial way.

Vor Monat
Travis McNasty
Travis McNasty

I would like to add something as my newfound identity as a working class intellectual. The message that "revenge is bad" in this particular setting is, in itself, bad. In the 20th century when vengeance was portrayed as bad, it was done in westerns. It was a lesson that we live in a more civilized time. That instead of seeking personal vengeance, we should trust the systems of justice or some other higher power enact retribution. But in a post apocalyptic setting like The Last of Us, the only form of justice is revenge. A truly subversive message would be that revenge is good. You can't rely on an organization to help you seek justice, because in their setting it simply doesn't exist. And in our real lives the systems are too corrupt and bloated to actually give any particular individual of lesser means to actually receive their justice. That would be a dangerous message, but a brave one. If you want revenge, go get it. Deal with it on your terms and deal with the consequences on your terms. TLoU Part II portrays that lesson with Gigantor; an unlikeable antagonist who makes sure to ruin everything she touches.

Vor 2 Monate
Aedrion
Aedrion

Looks to me like the game also suffers from a classic modern trope. 'Selective Empathy'. You're supposed to care about Abbey, her life, her revenge and its consequences to the point where you understand why Elly doesn't kill her. But what about all the others she kills? The game seems to ignore that story-wise, those are all people too. With hopes, dreams, fears and souls. Snuffed out like they didn't even exist. What the developer forgot is that you can't have it both ways. You can't have a violent, murderous setting where people are offed left right and centre to then U-turn and have an emotional story about forgiveness, revenge bad and letting go. That's why the first game works, it knows this and doesn't spin you a tale about morality because both characters aren't afforded the luxury of morals most of the time. Kill or be killed, that was the rule. This trope returns in many games and movies these days and it's annoying because you have to turn your brain off and not think about the many murders committed and find compassion in your heart for the one character you *do* have a reason to loathe.

Vor 6 Monate
Aedrion
Aedrion

@Simon Farre You're arguing strictly from your own PoV here. You probably didn't notice or mind the attempts at evoking sympathy and so it didn't bother you. That's okay and you make a good point about it being possible to see Abbey as a backdrop character to Elly's story but it's a bit cheap to say. "I didn't mind that there was poop in the pie because I only ate the frosting." To each his own I guess. At least these comments didn't open with an insult.

Vor Monat
Simon Farre
Simon Farre

@Aedrion the point is you are _not_ required to sympathise with Abby to enjoy the finale. Abby can be viewed strictly as social world building in this game, if what you care about is Ellie as the main character. But the fact that you keep harking back to that you *do* feel compelled to sympathise without it being required, is what makes the writing great. Because it means that the writers has fleshed out the characters so well and so in detail that they make sense, meaning their characters are well defined and their actions make sense within their definition. They might not make sense to *you* - but the game is not an RPG, and you are not Ellie nor Abby. But you understand their characters since they are so well defined.

Vor Monat
Simon Farre
Simon Farre

@Aedrion They are not forcing you to. Her catharsis does not directly influence Ellie, there is no lecturing between the protagonists of the story going on. That is what good writing does. It is not telling you what to think or feel, but the fact you feel compelled to sympathise, even if you feel like you want to despise the character, is what makes it great writing. I didn't enjoy the finale because I sympathise with Abby. I enjoyed the finale because I sympathise with Ellie and her journey. She didn't let go out of love or some "let's be friends" idiocy. She let her go, for her own selfish reasons. Because killing Abby would not give her the satisfaction or closure she had thought, some 6 months prior to that.

Vor Monat
Aedrion
Aedrion

@Simon Farre You are arguing that a game that inserts multiple emotional scenes and has a climax based around emotional catharsis is not trying to get the player to sympathise with the protagonist and feel some measure of understanding or care for her in order to enjoy that finale? Instead you surmise that we're not supposed to care about her or her emotional turmoil which seems pretty central to the plot. And this is because there is no 'force' trying to get us to care for her, aside from playing through an apocalyptic setting, while we see her beset by all manner of strife? And then when we call out the telltale signs of a storyteller attempting to evoke sympathy for a character, you'd argue it's our fault for noticing the attempts, and you'd refute that such story elements are said 'force' you mentioned? So we're at fault for arguing they're unearned? Hmmm. I think there might be a flaw in your logic.

Vor Monat
ifly fsx
ifly fsx

@Simon Farre Talk about dumb. OF COURSE the writers want you to care about Abby. They paint her as a victim for losing her father, who was this allegedly perfect zebra-saving guy who just wanted to save humanity. Yeah, right. Abby plays with dogs, Ellie kills them. Abby has "friends" and they have families, Ellie kills them. Abby protects her new best friend and former mortal enemy Lev, Ellie leaves Dina and the baby. I don't give a sh1t about Abby, but it's clear AF they want me to care about her.

Vor Monat
James Hockenberry
James Hockenberry

"This is Abby, a theoretical woman" I'm dying

Vor 7 Monate
Guy who can't grow a beard
Guy who can't grow a beard

Same here, i died at that 😂😂

Vor 8 Tage
Super Lombax
Super Lombax

@ifly fsx *A theoretical. There we go, now we're safe.

Vor 16 Tage
ifly fsx
ifly fsx

Calling her a woman is offensive.

Vor Monat
thelaughingrouge
thelaughingrouge

The real difference between the original and this is The Last of Us is still regarded as one of the greats, while a year later this game isn't even spoken of except as an example of what not to do.

Vor 10 Monate
Erwann Thietart
Erwann Thietart

The funniest thing is that the fans ignore it so hard, even in fanfictions, the stuff where you could expect the most sh** of that style because of course you'd expect that (the numbers of "strong female character insert" into LOTR is frightening i swear) even there the 2nd game is mostly ignored safe for a few story, and most if not all of those rewrite the game into something better lol

Vor 3 Monate
Alex Black
Alex Black

Holy carp! The idea about Tommy convincing Gigantor that he's Joel and giving his life for his big brother sounds powerful af!

Vor 5 Monate
SheldonAdama17
SheldonAdama17

Imagine if John Wick ended with John Wick forgiving the guy who killed his dog.

Vor year
LordSesshomaru86
LordSesshomaru86

Imagine if the dog killed John's father lol

Vor 3 Monate
Aeron Tehan
Aeron Tehan

And imagine at the same point the murderer of his dog is in his worst possible position, literally crucified for months or so and litterally helpless. Going through all the possible worst. You think John would still kill someone like that ?

Vor 3 Monate
Really Him On God
Really Him On God

He wouldn’t be John Wick then🤷🏽‍♂️

Vor 3 Monate
Shakey
Shakey

That would be more anticlimactic than the day you were conceived

Vor 3 Monate
V
V

@Fraser Souris let me just comment what you just said with the only possible comment for such a thought : HA! GAYYYYYY!!!

Vor 3 Monate
Matt Ryan
Matt Ryan

The environments, the game play, are absolutely amazing. I was furious with the way the game ended and the direction they chose for the 2nd game. Seeing Joel’s brains bashed in with a golf club really killed any sympathy I had for Abby. Then seeing Ellie lose everything and become a husk of her former self really turned me off. TLOU2 went along with the whole theme that was the year 2020. It was awful and I barley made it through that dumpster fire

Vor year
Darius NoName
Darius NoName

It's weird that none of the google results say anything positive about Joel's decision, google results also claim that last of us 2 is great game yet I find comment sections full of people defending Joel's decision and whenever I look for similar games to play, part 2 is never there. Honestly, after seeing countless woke movies where even negative reviews are censored (looking at you rings of powers), I start to think that results in google are not fully natural

Vor 29 Tage
OneDonTadeo
OneDonTadeo

and you are damn right.

Vor 24 Tage
TheShadowsWithin
TheShadowsWithin

Imagine sitting there for hours, exploring, leveling/boosting up, and acquiring resources for the main protagonist of the game while hunting down the antagonist and killing her cronies... Now, imagine halfway through, the game forces you to play, explore, level/boost up, and acquire weapons and resources for that same antagonist you've just spent hours prepping to kill... How dumb. Now, imagine spending hours upon hours finally getting to the final fight of the game, just to not finish what you started. The Last Waste of Time: Part II.

Vor 4 Monate
Star
Star

@Darth Dragonborn I don't think they'll change the story in the remake cause people hated TLOU2, and only critics liked it. If they changed the loved original, the backlash would be probably one of the biggest controversies in gaming history, maybe behind the invention of DLC's and lootboxes.

Vor 4 Monate
Darth Dragonborn
Darth Dragonborn

@Star Actually I’m considering the remake coming out which is literally called part I the actual game part II was a sequel to, cuz we know they’re going to change shit to match this game. I consider the original it’s own pure timeline where Ellie obviously knew Joel was lying at the end, and the others in an alternate depressing stupid timeline.

Vor 4 Monate
Star
Star

Very true, except there was never a part 1 to this: The first game didn't have this issue

Vor 4 Monate
Charles P.
Charles P.

After having played this a few times, I’ve come to feel that its main flaw was in its structure. Had we begun the game as Abby discovering her fallen father and built up many hours to growing with her struggles until meeting Joel, I doubt there would’ve been such resistance to his death. Or at least it would have been understood. But if you’re going to simply kill him right off the bat by a complete stranger whose motivations have not been established after many players had spent time playing him protecting Ellie, and then demand players to jump in her shoes after that fact, of _course_ people will hate her, and no amount of trying to make the player empathize with her after that would ever be enough. Perhaps that was the point, that the game is a type of empathy experiment to see how many could overcome such bias, but I think it was a failure before it even began. Many players hated Abby so much they lost all interest in even playing the game, which was perfectly understandable, and Neil should have understood this. Forcing us to fight Ellie as her was just fucking insulting and came off as a slap in the face to the fans. You can’t underestimate the power of player investment and attachment to established characters.

Vor 5 Monate
Ayyy lmao
Ayyy lmao

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYINGGGG This game is told backwards

Vor 2 Monate
James Winter
James Winter

This. And I believe they always intended it to be presented in this order to the players, as a reverse version of the first game, to give the player the choice first and the backstory later. And I think if you would play the sequences in chronological order the game would make zero sense any more, because it would be perfectly obvious for everyone to see, that the scenes were not made with character development and continuity in mind, but with the cheap, manipulative thought, that the players view on the characters must be converted by the end of the game. Same goes for Horizon Zero Dawn. How am I supposed to care for this world that I've never seen the main character be part of, if the only way you lay out the story is through flashbacks, lore-dumps, notes and holotapes?

Vor 3 Monate
Lee Everett
Lee Everett

Notice how absolutely no one talks about this game anymore, while the first game was talked about positively for 7 freaking years.

Vor 2 years
Honk 717
Honk 717

The Sony a lickers are out in full force. Everytime one of their exclusives goes to pc I fn laugh at how hurt they get.

Vor 6 Tage
Babyhoho
Babyhoho

And still no one talks about this this shit project Omsk

Vor 2 Monate
Captain Fordo - ARC-77
Captain Fordo - ARC-77

@RebellionD It was rigged

Vor 4 Monate
Jonathan Munyi
Jonathan Munyi

Play it again.

Vor 5 Monate
Alex ico
Alex ico

@Chappyomega on a video about it you 🤡

Vor 5 Monate
James McDonald
James McDonald

The Last of Us is one of the greatest experiences I've had playing games. I've not played, nor will ever play TLOU2. I saw the leaks, (spoilers don't bother me) and Joel was my guy. How dare they.

Vor 10 Monate
FullSend ABeerForMe
FullSend ABeerForMe

@Lester Bronson the gameplay is "solid" but the story is hot dog water. Quit lying

Vor Monat
James McDonald
James McDonald

@ילד טוב ירושלים thing is, TLOU1 was written with gravitas and is an incredible experience from beginning to end. TLOU2 was written with hate and is just misery porn. TLOU1 had hope and optimism amongst the violence. TLOU2 has a nothing but nonsensical gender politics. An obvious shift in tone that doesn’t match up whatsoever with the original. Sarkesian got her hooks in and fucked it royally. Druckman’s a bitch for letting it happen. The franchise is ruined. Fuck the tv show also.

Vor Monat
James McDonald
James McDonald

@Osafune2 this

Vor Monat
Osafune2
Osafune2

I don’t want to play a game made by people who view me with utter contempt

Vor Monat
Salt and dragons
Salt and dragons

@Carlos Magno Macieira Same Neil cuckmanns private fan fiction doesn't count.

Vor 2 Monate
Glue
Glue

This game felt like a fever dream when I played it. It is one of the best games I have ever played. Everything about its gameplay, graphics, and environments was perfect. But the story was so unbelievably bad, so enragingly horrible, I just couldn't believe it was from the same game I was enjoying playing so much. The whole story felt like that scene from Bojack Horseman, where Bojack wants to separate his name from his old sitcom. So he gets high and makes a pilot to a new show, where he literally takes a shit on his old sitcom's DVD. Trying to show that he's capable of being mature and edgy. That's kinda what it feels like ND is doing with The Last of Us, only they didn't sober up and realize just how fucking stupid the whole thing was after the fact.

Vor 3 Monate
Amazing Astronaut
Amazing Astronaut

I love how the game is just not talked about anymore.

Vor year
You Don't Know
You Don't Know

Except for people who hate it. But that’s only because they will always remember how great the original game is, and what an abominable job the sequel did to kill the franchise.

Vor 28 Tage
FireFox2590
FireFox2590

You know I might have felt guilty about the game, but I didn't, you know why? I didn't get to make a CHOICE, you don't get to decide on the choices that are made in the game and it suffers for it. A game that made me feel guilty for my actions was Undertale, that is a game where they give you the choice to show mercy to your enemies and form bonds and friendships, and if you decide to kill everyone in a second play-through, you feel like a horrible human being, and this is a game that uses pixel graphics, no voice actors, and I don't think it had any funding from a larger company, it was made by just 18 people from what Google tells me, and it was a much bigger hit with their audience, and they didn't need to use old tropes or kill off beloved characters to do it, that part is totally optional.

Vor year
Ezra Wyvern
Ezra Wyvern

Exactly. Choice matters to the player in such games, as it impacts them harder should they do something awful willingly rather than be forced into it. TLOU2 makes the same mistake Chrono Cross did with killing the (pregnant) hyrda; trying to make the player feel like shit for something bad that was out of their control in a cheap attempt to tug at heartstrings and appear more intelligent for it.

Vor 10 Monate
FireFox2590
FireFox2590

@MNAHN'T GOF'NN Thanks :) I thought it was something that I should mention. Undertale is just a better game in my personal opinion, and I am also able to understand that some people might think differently than I do, and if they think it is better than that is up to them. I won't fault them if they think it was legitimately a better game, but if they like it for politics, then they don't understand why people play games.

Vor year
MNAHN'T GOF'NN
MNAHN'T GOF'NN

But don't you see? That's how Neil Druckmann so intelligently sUBveRtEd your expectations about choices in video games. Jokes aside, well stated.

Vor year
Tekno Pathetic
Tekno Pathetic

Killing 100 people? Totally justified Killing the one who actually murdered your Dad? No... no that's too far...

Vor year
azul chamoy
azul chamoy

@J Do they should've let the original woman write this story then, cuckman obviously didn't understand the characters

Vor 2 Monate
azul chamoy
azul chamoy

@Pat Pac this is the best take i've seen, i can't imagine any of these abby apologists can make a logical comeback to that. i wish the game studio would write their characters the way they started

Vor 2 Monate
Don't Worry About It
Don't Worry About It

@Tipsy T you sound unhinged

Vor 2 Monate
YaMommaNYaDaddy
YaMommaNYaDaddy

@Inc0rrect thats the world tho, everyone is a killer not just joel

Vor 3 Monate
YaMommaNYaDaddy
YaMommaNYaDaddy

@Tipsy T dooms the entire race? lmaoo bro it was doomed already and theres no way to know if that "cure" would even work

Vor 3 Monate
Nikki Angelus
Nikki Angelus

I remember first hearing about The Last of Us 2 and I went ”…Why? The first game is perfect. It doesn’t need a sequel.” I bought it, played it for a couple of hours and forgot about it. Joel’s death was a seriously poor writing decicion that alienated me personally. We spent so much time learning about his points of view in the first game and then they just killed him off like that? No thanks. A heroic death in the middle I could’ve taken. Not a pitiful curb-stomping. Especially when Joel was depicted as someone you really don’t wanna fuck with in the first game.

Vor year
FullSend ABeerForMe
FullSend ABeerForMe

Yeah, I refuse to believe this man, who singlehandedly. Crippled and destroyed 3 entire different factions alone (the hunters, the fireflies and the cannibals.) is the kinda guy to go "yall act like you've heard of us or something."lmfao yeah get outta here with your lazy ass writing. Not only did this guy dismantle 3 entire factions but he did it with basic guns anybody reading this could go and buy themselves. This dude literally took out the fireflies with a damn bolt action rifle, a pistol and an Assult rifle he stole off a body of a firefly. Smh, I also refute the argument "oh well he's learned to settle down." Hahaha people are retarded as hell. Thats like saying a real life war veteran is just gonna forget every bit of knowledge they learned in combat by just staying at home for s couple of years.. just because a person settles down doesn't mean they lose all of their memory and capabilities smh. A damn shame too I tell you, they laughed at us part 2 feels more like a fanfiction from a guy who hated Joel. Waited 7 years for this mediocrity that's somehow appraised.

Vor Monat
Erwann Thietart
Erwann Thietart

Dude litteraly went on a murderous rampage absolutely anihilating everyone on his way to save his "adopted" daughter gets out without a single crippling injury, survived an accident and lived through winter despite the cruel lack of proper medicine most of the time, half a decade later gets dunked on and die ridiculously when by his 1st game feat he probably couldve taken em all on and win despite his age. Theres people not to fuck with and then there was Joel

Vor 3 Monate
Adam Luke
Adam Luke

I just finished The Last of Us 1 for the first time (literally an hour ago) and WOW, what a masterpiece. Unfortunately, it sounds like I shouldn’t play the 2nd game.

Vor year
Anonymous
Anonymous

i just finished part 2 and can only recommend it, it is a masterpiece, despite its flaws

Vor 20 Tage
Chris R
Chris R

It's like the difference between Season 3 of Game of Thrones and Season 8.

Vor 10 Monate
CL A
CL A

The gameplay made it worth it for me.

Vor 11 Monate
fireemberess
fireemberess

funnily enough, Neil had an easy fix to gigantor's character. instead of leaving ellie alive because tiny brain. leave ellie alive and capture her to do the experiment Joel saved her from. and later in the game have her realize that Joel killing her father was to protect ellie because he loved her, and that she misread Joel, and maybe even have her feel remorse for Joel. and also, ellie being captured could have her girlfriend be a playable character and flesh out her girlfriends character by her being the one to rescue her. we could also have Joel's brother join in for this. the shit that gets me is that this is such an obvious answer that it boggles my mind why Gigantor and her group didn't seek out ellie for the experiments anyway? just goes to show how much more concerned druckman was about politics than writing a good story.

Vor year
Codfishvideos
Codfishvideos

Um wow when a random people can make a better plot than a huge game company. Like dam this sounds amazing almost like an homage to the first game instead of Ali and Joel It's Ellie's girlfriend and Joel's brother. I would play this in a heart beat . What we got I haven't touched , but the whole game and I loved the first one

Vor 3 Monate
Mac
Mac

Having played this game, the bottom line is that this could have been a great story, it could have been really good. but the sacrifice of good writing to shoehorn in all the BS social justice crap ruined it. why write something really thoughtful when you can just check boxes? At the end of, it made me feel guilty for even liking the first game. I don't play games to feel guilty. I play them for fun and to escape from reality for a time. I mean at the end of the world, when it's full of zombies and food is scarce, do you honestly think that anyone is going to give a crap about trans rights or who's gay? I would think that the focus would be on, oh I don't know.....survival. This game and the responses from the developers after it came out forever turned me off of Naughty Dog. I will never play one of their games again. If the only way you can make your story "good" is by ruining everything it's built on and changing all the well established characters into something completely opposite of what they are, you don't have a good story.

Vor year
Steven Ross
Steven Ross

Hero: murders a thousand mooks. Gets to main villain: "If I kill you, I'll be just like you."

Vor 2 years
Steven Ross
Steven Ross

@Ehfoiwehfow Jedioheoih .......what?

Vor 10 Monate
Ehfoiwehfow Jedioheoih
Ehfoiwehfow Jedioheoih

Bravo Cuckman

Vor 10 Monate
Vic Birth
Vic Birth

Totally unrealistic that she even hesitated to kill her.

Vor year
Kyle Kernen
Kyle Kernen

Just like Assassins Creed 2

Vor year
Wonderbat forever
Wonderbat forever

I would want the villain to win

Vor year
Ricardo666
Ricardo666

News Flash: Ellie wasn't gay in the first game! TLOU1 came out in 2013. That one kiss between Ellie and her female friend happened in the DLC from 2014. There was never a hint of Ellie being gay in part 1. It was an afterthought.

Vor 7 Monate
Ricardo666
Ricardo666

@Sam Brookes As it should. It has nothing to do with the story. Kind of my point..

Vor 29 Tage
ifly fsx
ifly fsx

@Sam Brookes Bill didn't have anyone "to be gay with." But it was done in a much more clever and non-political activist way.

Vor 29 Tage
Sam Brookes
Sam Brookes

To be fair TLoU 1 didn't have anyone her age to be gay with. Closest thing was the son of the guy you save so it wasn't something that would have ever come up during that game

Vor 29 Tage
Osafune2
Osafune2

I don’t get how she’s gay, there’s no evidence she was preyed upon by a homosexual as a child. That’s how they usually reproduce

Vor Monat
ifly fsx
ifly fsx

In fact, she wasn't gay immediately AFTER the DLC. For the first 5 minutes, the actress tried to explain that sexuality in that kind of world was not so simple. Not to mention that you're talking about kids. But then it quickly became a political issue and everyone changed their story. They had to fall in line.

Vor Monat
Tetraxis
Tetraxis

Another thing that ruins the game is what seems to be Neil’s personal views shoved into the game. I remember when the leak happened, the enemies were going to be “homophobic christians”, something that seems to have been changed or altered, albeit not too much. And there were rumors that in the TV show, all the bad guys were going to be exclusively men. Don’t know if that’s going to be changed. And Neil’s self-insert……….how can a game dev make an insert of himself AND have it disrespect a main Character’s death so much?

Vor 3 Monate
Osafune2
Osafune2

Neil Druckmann is a Jew

Vor Monat
commies aren’t people
commies aren’t people

well, he is part of the small hat club so nothing surprising there.

Vor Monat
Olympic-grade lurker
Olympic-grade lurker

I love it when the alphabet people get to mold the characters they play after themselves because heaven forbid they actually have to act outside of their personalities.

Vor 8 Monate
Pharoh's Collection
Pharoh's Collection

Revenge is honorable, ellie not killing abby is dishonorable. Also f abby

Vor 4 Monate
Catherine Brown
Catherine Brown

Tommy unironically summed up this game perfectly at the end at the farm house "What a joke"

Vor 8 Monate
Da Fank
Da Fank

I still can’t get over plot’s stupidity. At least you could make it about someone close to Marlene who wasn’t a npc

Vor 4 Monate
Tom Tinker
Tom Tinker

No mentioning of the jarring pacing? Playing Ellie for the first 10 hours, just to switch to Abby for 10 hours before the final showdown was the most off-putting thing for me. Getting to such a climax (The cinema with Jesse and Tommy) and then switching perspectives to the antagonist. Abby, who you couldn't care less for at this point since you knew hardly anything except for her killing Joel and having an unusual female physique. Then dragging yourself through those hours of manipulation trying to make you sympathize and understand Abbys motive, flashbacks and references to Ellies brutal actions, and not even getting a conclusion, just more loose ends after the showdown. It seriously left me with the worst feeling of emotional emptiness I've ever had after completing a game. Neither good nor bad, just empty. Still, I enjoyed the set pieces, animations, environments, gunplay, gore, attention to detail so much that I needed to finish it. The story however really was like watching a car crash. Morally questionable and unheard of to do, but you can't help but see what happens next. I feel like, if they switched the parts around, maybe started with an Abby flashback, alternate between Ellies Day 1 and Abbies Day 1 etc., and give us perspective switches more frequently it would've helped cement the motives and sympathy early on when it's the most necessary and made the pacing and game more enjoyable. The way it is, it just feels forced to play as Abby, while slowly turning Joel and Ellie into the antagonists of the story. So here's still hoping they make a decent multiplayer mode in the future, so I can just get into the nitty and gritty gameplay, without a story dragging me down.

Vor year
Argyll Rose
Argyll Rose

Ok but there’s a bigger plot hole that you missed. Where does Abby get her steroids from in a post apocalyptic world. Surely the devs didn’t think that we would believe a woman can look like that naturally? Wait…

Vor 5 Monate
Argyll Rose
Argyll Rose

@Domino It’s called basic biology. Most people who go to the gym understand this, clearly you don’t

Vor 28 Tage
Domino
Domino

It’s called going to the gym, maybe you should try it. I’m guessing they had a gym in the game too considering they had classrooms and markets at the wolf stadium base.

Vor 29 Tage
Stephen7764
Stephen7764

''she looks like that cause she has a gym in her stadium'' said the people who know nothing about muscle hypertrophy or human physiology.... let's say abby's 170 cms (5'5ft) tall, judging by her looks, her body weight's 80+kg (175+lbs) , but let's go with 80 kg... her average daily caloric intake to maintain that phyisique would have to be at MINIMUM 3000+ calories once you factor in how much walking, gardening, hunting and 1000 other physical activities she does daily, considering it's post apocalyptic world where stuff is constantly braking and where you have to literally fight to survive each day... this isn't some instagram chick who goes to gym once a day and has a desk job... that's on average 1000 calorie meal, three times a day EACH DAY IN A POST APOCALYPTIC WORLD... post apocalypse doesn't sound that bad if we can eat three 1000 calorie meals a day, every day... anyone who isn't willfully ignorant would agree that it's impossible for someone to have that type of look in this environment, but hey, people are brainwashed to belive much more ridiculous things, so one shouldn't be surprised when someone thinks her physique is legit...

Vor Monat
Aynur Bischoff
Aynur Bischoff

@Lennis01 would have been cool if the video also talked abt that instead of just calling her gigentor or some other childish thing just because she's got muscles it's just weird y'know cause believe it or not I agree with you unless the ppl would be hunting non stop for portein and shit it would go downhill fast and malnutrition would be reigning especially considering they wouldn't know how to hunt or find food apart from supermarkets and shit and after a few months even that would be no accessable add to this that most ppl don't know how to fight anyways yeah not a pretty picture though when ppl build a community these issues would go down considerably and you see in the game that they have communities that help each other provide ppl with safety etc so yeah depending on how long after the outbreak the game would be finding and cultevating food would be solved issue pretty much since w built our society as well init hahaha

Vor Monat
Lennis01
Lennis01

Pointing out Abby's unrealistic figure kind of points out a larger issue that is never addressed in the game world. A LOT of people are built like tanks. Realistically, Joel shouldn't be as physically powerful as he is in a world where almost no one has a proper diet. People should be shambling around like the infected from sheer malnutrition.

Vor Monat
DeusExMachina10001
DeusExMachina10001

Best comment I've seen about this; "This is a game about right and wrong made by people who think they are always right."

Vor 2 years
Jobra Kai
Jobra Kai

FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKERS

Vor Monat
SprSynJn
SprSynJn

Sounds pretty much like modern day society.

Vor 3 Monate
Imperative Games
Imperative Games

Yes. Golden!

Vor 3 Monate
RubberFistFight
RubberFistFight

"We call ourselves the Anti-Bad Guy Squad and we label our opponents the Bad Guys. How can people not understand this? We can never be bad guys because we're FIGHTING the Bad Guys. It's so simple to understand. Everything we do is justified because of our name." -Neil Druckmann.

Vor 5 Monate
shane purcell
shane purcell

Pure. Fucking. Hubris

Vor 9 Monate
djschaum520
djschaum520

Just finished this game recently. loved the gameplay and graphics but that was it. The story was a shitshow as expected and the game dragged on for far too long. the first game took me 15-18 hours which wasn't too short or long. The second game took me closer to 30 hours and at several points all I could think was "when will it end!?!" I also played a little bit of grounded mode on the first game, but with the second game, I have no desire to play it again.

Vor 11 Monate
Andrew Keyz
Andrew Keyz

Thought it went on too long as well. Also PewdiePie titled one of latter gameplay videos "Why are we still here?" and didn't even bother uploading the last one.

Vor 11 Monate
Clout Lord
Clout Lord

Even Assassin's Creed 2 pulled the "forgiving the antagonist" way better than this. Also Abby being the daughter of the surgeon, a forgettable NPC, a dumb move lol.

Vor 3 Monate
Sammy Mbaka
Sammy Mbaka

I remember when this game came out!! Wow.. The shock and confusion and amazement of the gameplay were just epic.. Looking back, it is still 1 of the most tragic video game stories I've ever seen.

Vor 4 Monate
Stephen7764
Stephen7764

2 years later, but here we go - my biggest issue with the game – imagine you’re driving home, you stop at a gas station, you get a call from a close person, he / she tells you that one of your family members has just died, as you’re about to enter your car, some random guy asks you if you can help him change his tire cause it's an emergency– this random guy can be the best human that ever lived – you probably won’t help him, currently you don’t care about him, his life, where he has to go since he needs his tire changed asap, you just want to be with people you do care about.... simillar situation is in this game – we follow ellie throughout entire first game, for the first half of second game, we care about her, her story, her problems, her friends etc... we then have to put all of that on hold and have abby (who we most likely hate by now) and her friends, her story, her problems and all of her other stuff shoved down our throats.... just how exactly does that make sense.... i get it they want us to see things from her perspective, but there are million better ways to do that than ''stop thinking about characters you like immediately, lose all the emotional connections you have with them as well as negative emotions you have towards this character we want yo to empathise with and be a clean slate'' .... not only is that impossible for any non-sociopath, but it just so happens that joel and ellie's relationship from the first game was million times better done than whatever they did with abby.... also ''seeing things from other people's perspective, so we can empathise with them'' doesnt automatically mean ''i'm siding with that person''.... if my child needs kidney transplant and some other guy's kid needs one as well and it's either my child or his - should i ''see things from his perspective'' and decide ''you know what, this is a good guy, his son needs a kidney, i'm gonna let my kid die''....? (also i'll add what i add in every of my tlou2 comments - the first one had perfect ending, the devs messed up the moment they started poking it with a stick)

Vor Monat
Drachenrecke
Drachenrecke

This game feels like a fan fiction from someone who really, really hated the first part

Vor 2 years
Jane Shepard
Jane Shepard

His name starts with an N & ends with man. Which he clearly is not coz he neutered himself in public.

Vor 11 Monate
Th3Espr3ss0
Th3Espr3ss0

@Clement Ong He hated it because he didn't write it, He fired the lady that did.

Vor year
Clement Ong
Clement Ong

Neil definitely hated tlou1. He had his revenge fetish story way back then and luckily for us, Bruce Straley rejected it.

Vor year
emma bridges
emma bridges

@Harry P like Critical Drinker states, part 1 Ellie always had at least an idea that Joel lied to her about what happened at the hospital, and that Ellie was willing to accept it for her relationship with Joel. But then in part 2, Ellie in the flashbacks is suspicious about what happened, even though you can tell that she kinda knew the whole time. Her getting upset was justifiable, but telling Joel that they're done even though she was willing to forgive him when it happened makes no sense. im sure there are more instances, but thats a pretty prominent one that im aware of

Vor year
Harry P
Harry P

@Tommy Jackson how in any way does it contradict it? The events of the first game literally result in the second game halleneing. They're interlinked.

Vor year
CAPTAIN DEADPOOL
CAPTAIN DEADPOOL

Gameplay was amazing. Truly spectacular. Sadly it's brutally countered with woke politics, terrible story and moronic decisions made by the storytellers. Who wants to play as their heroes killer? Absolutely nobody. Thanos is the only one to come to mind. Although Abby may be as big as Thanos, she is no Thanos. Seriously though, the game literally counters everything it does great with woke characters in a fucking zombie apocalypse. I'll tell you something Naughty Dog. If there was anyone to survive a zombie apocalypse, it sure as hell isn't liberal, woke idiots who identify as a greyhound on Wednesdays.

Vor year
CJ P.
CJ P.

@Phatt Johnson - because if you’re a 100 lb skinny woman, it looks ridiculous when you’re taking out grown men who can fight

Vor 2 Monate
Phatt Johnson
Phatt Johnson

@CJ P. You're as funny as a fart in an elevator but only half as palatable.

Vor 2 Monate
Phatt Johnson
Phatt Johnson

Why does someone's gender in a game affect you if they're still a badass in the context of the story? Did it make you question some gender insecurities of your own? Perhaps the celibacy thing?

Vor 2 Monate
ADIDASects
ADIDASects

@CJ P. I assume you ask that to any woman who won’t bang you.

Vor 2 Monate
CJ P.
CJ P.

@ADIDASects - is it your time of the month?

Vor 2 Monate
DAVID DFL
DAVID DFL

Man the very fact that you've referenced Metal Gear Solid must be applauded. That series features such marvelous writing and character development which really hit a crescendo with Snake Eater. Good analysis in your video as well..

Vor 3 Monate
Anedime
Anedime

I mean, the thing about seeing the dogs and other characters in a positive light from the other perspective, it fundamentally CANNOT work in videogames. It can work in movies, in books, in any other form of storytelling. But it cannot work in videogames, because in videogames, the goal isn't to see the story, it's to beat the story. Which transforms enemies from antagonists into progression checks. Any villain can be humanized if seen in the right light. But a container or a roadbump can't. You spend, not just entire game but the entire medium being conditioned as a user to see these things as a source of resources or experience, or money, or whatever else their drops are, or to see them as enemies, just a thing in the way to get to the next area which puts an entirely different filter on them. In non-interactive media these things are seen as characters, you see their actions and develop an opinion, then when you see them in conflicting actions, your opinion wavers. But in videogames, you don't see them as actions, you see them as a set of values and priorities impeding or bolstering your progression. "This dog is 12 EXP so I should kill it for the next level up" or "This dog will trigger the enemies in the next room making the encounter harder if I don't kill it", rather than "This canine orphan from the west side of the town lead a difficult life filled with strife and hunger, studying hard to get a bachelors in astrology and working towards their masters in physics" No. Can't humanize a coin dispensery. Nobody sane ever shed a tear for stomping a goomba no matter what light they were portrayed in. That's one of the reasons why the game so much negative criticism. If you wanna make a movie you should go make a movie rather than ruining a game. That's why Druckman is so hated by most gamers. He frequently boasts how he doesn't want to make fun or entertaining games because he wants to convey a sense of dread. But a game has to be entertaining to be good. If you don't wanna make a good game then stop making games and go direct.

Vor 4 Monate
Free Bite
Free Bite

I personally feel like the joel and ellie story should have really ended with the first one. I wanted to know more about the brothers you run into in the first game, what was there story, how exactly did they end up there with you? That could have been an interesting way to expand the game instead of forcing a followup like this.

Vor year
Gabriel Degillo
Gabriel Degillo

The Joel in the first game legit ran over a guy on the street that was pretending to be injured because he assumed he was faking it and was familiar with these kind of tricks because of his past. He didn't even hesitate when he did it.

Vor 2 years
FullSend ABeerForMe
FullSend ABeerForMe

The Joel in the first game also dismantled 3 entire different factions singlehandedly with guns the average person can go and buy off the shelves at a gunstore. How you gonna tell me this man who practically took out the fireflies with a damn bolt action rifle, a pistol and a assault rifle he stole off a body is the same man to just go "yall act like you've heard of us or something." SMH lazy ass writing. Part 2 feels more like a fanfiction from a nerd who really hated Joel and ellie. Its always funny too when you see these incompetent morons claim "Well he's learned to settle down." Ahahahaha shut the fuck up. That's like saying a real life war veteran just forgets everything and their capabilities they've learned in war just because they slept at home for a couple of years.. its absolutely absurd how this medicre of a game is so praised by so many idiots, especially after the literal fake trailers and false advertisement they did before it released.

Vor Monat
nimrodery
nimrodery

@AceofSpades6728 Can I just say that's the dumbest question I've seen today? I've played the game repeatedly.

Vor 3 Monate
AceofSpades6728
AceofSpades6728

@nimrodery have you ever played, hell even learned about the whole last of us story

Vor 3 Monate
nimrodery
nimrodery

@Hemendra Ande In the first game he sentences all of humanity to death so he can have someone else's daughter live with him. He's essentially the worst character in the game. The sheer number of regular people he butchers just for a glimpse of his pre-zombie world is staggering. You didn't get a "wow I'm really soaked in the blood of the innocent" feeling by the end of the game?

Vor 3 Monate
Luís Felipe Simôes Rezende
Luís Felipe Simôes Rezende

thats called The Prisioner's Dilemma the risk of being wrong was too high to be taken, so he chose the most logical decision

Vor 3 Monate
Mike Shinwa
Mike Shinwa

Arguably the best review of this game; perfectly capture both of the extreme views people have on this game. It's as you said Drinker, the real question to ask if this story was necessary, needed or wanted by any of the fans of the first game.

Vor 11 Monate
jfayiii
jfayiii

story don't beat that sweet, sweet money

Vor 10 Monate
Manoel Eduardo Araujo Filho
Manoel Eduardo Araujo Filho

10/10 gameplay; 0/10 story. A 5/10 game overall, that's how i see it. One of the biggest wasted potentials in history, because Neil knew that, no matter how the game would be eventually received, the hype and love the first game created would be more than enough to carry this mess through. No wonder that so far, we have a Remaster, another Remaster ( disguised as a Remake ) and a live action TV series, all from the first game, because that's the one people actually care about.

Vor 3 Monate
Thatone Legend
Thatone Legend

After about 2 yrs i can finally say that it just feels abrupt… like killing all the npcs its not like ellie’s emotions change or her moves get more lazy like imagine if in the later part of the game you couldnt set an enemy on fire or like your melee gets more sloppy because you are tired but there is nothing its like they expect the players to think ellie sees gigantor’s life like we do

Vor 4 Monate
Konstantin Kapustin
Konstantin Kapustin

Whenever one goes into the realm of moral relativism, that means the author has nothing to say. This game is a 25 hour story about nothing. There were so many opportunities to evoke a meaningful emotional response. I don't need a 60$ game to tell me that revenge is bad. Hell, even if Ellie kills the meat factory - would have been a much better story.

Vor 9 Monate
Shadow Of Light
Shadow Of Light

Thought provoking narratives: Offer up a moral conundrum, and have a character choose one of these 2 evils, with the immediate and far reaching consequences being left up to the player to ponder upon whether the decision made was the right one. Uninspired and boring narratives: Revenge bad. Why revenge bad? Gigantor get revenge, then revenge good. But other girl get revenge? No good. Revenge mean lose fingers, no play guitar and wife take baby. Revenge. Bad.

Vor 2 years
BC animações
BC animações

@gavin greensmith are you serious? She kneels down breathing heavily with manny's blood on her face. You're literally acting blind to try and criticize the game.

Vor year
BC animações
BC animações

@T Brown Abby just wanted Joel. She finished her quest and says "we're finished". If Abby killed Ellie (which would be out of character for her to do so and therefore she didn't do it), that would be fucking stupid.

Vor year
T Brown
T Brown

I like how when people defend this game and say Abby lost all her friends so revenge bad, but the problem is she spared Tommy and Ellie, people that witnessed her revenge, so this punishment is just made by a stupid decision for no reason, there would be no consequences to her actions if she just killed Ellie and Tommy to keep her friends safe, it’s that simple

Vor year
Alvarezpl
Alvarezpl

Revenge is great. Always was.

Vor year
INTROVERT®
INTROVERT®

@Add Ollz i dont think she feels guility about Joel she just realised it wasnt what made her happy. Both characters wanted revenge out of selfish reasons to help themselves cope with theyre losses. They wanted to fill theyre darkness with something that only destroys them and the people around them even more. Meanwhile the only thing that helps them is in Abbys Case doing something actually purely good. For Ellie it is sparing Abby but not forgiving her just letting her and Lev go because shes better than Abby she still has this light inside her. You know follow the light like the fireflys said?

Vor year
Charlie Pinker
Charlie Pinker

Great review. I found it to be an incredible gaming experience, but my god was it grim. I don’t think I could put myself through it again.

Vor 9 Monate
Daniel Larkin
Daniel Larkin

Imagine how much better the story would've been if we had the option to kill or spare abby

Vor 29 Tage
Unimportant
Unimportant

I am just going to pretend this game never happened and go on with my head canon of what I thought this game would be. Joel and Ellie return to the settlement of Jackson to enjoy the initial beauty of a tight knit post apocalyptic community living in an environment not ruined by the ravages of man. But the realities of survival begin to weigh on them both, especially Ellie, because there is a reason why there is a genre called survival horror. Ellie grows increasingly bitter about the world she lives in, and more deeply mourns the one she lost. Joel is forced to watch Ellie and the rest of the community suffer with increasing guilt that he single handily robbed them of a chance to escape it. It builds to a point where Joel is forced to relive the horror of losing his daughter again, but this time Ellie is dying of a disease that would have been banal to deal with in the world they lost. Joel goes on another quest to find what’s needed to save Ellie, but in doing do is forced to abandon Ellie and the community, with no way of knowing what their fate might be. During this time Ellie recovers, and goes after Joel in the hopes of finding home bringing him home before this dangerous quest kills him. Ultimately she is unsuccessful, reaching Joel, but too late to save him, or even let him know that she lived. Joel dies fighting a group of infected which would have killed Ellie, but is ultimately unaware that he has saved her again.

Vor Monat
Unknown Hybrid
Unknown Hybrid

I hope that walking away with the experience of this game and moving foreword that part 3 can find a place in this franchise to save it completely, now Neil Druckman must push even further with the story to redeem it. and please Neil, NO MORE F***ING POLITICAL SOCIAL MESSAGES!!!! Honestly I was shattered by the story, it was emotional in its own way yes, I hated that Joel died in a pointless way, but that's what fueled the anger in Ellies gameplay brutally gutting any enemy she came across. It made it interesting. This game had strengths and weaknesses but I feel like the 3rd story will be able to fix it if Neil can get his S**T together.

Vor 2 Monate
Elad Vaida
Elad Vaida

If you’re trying to tell a story about how revenge and murder are dehumanizing, maybe don’t force the player to wade through an ocean of bodies and blood only to suddenly forgive the final boss

Vor 2 years
Steve Palpatine
Steve Palpatine

You know, they could have avoided most of the problems by simply having two endings, and letting you actually make a choice, if you wanted to forgive Abbey or not. It should have left it up to the player, and the stats on how many people picked which choice would have showed how many people accepted the ham fisted morality lesson they tried to shove down our throats. It would have also given the story replay value. TLOU2 is one of the few games I have had zero interest in replaying.

Vor year
Arekkusu Senpai
Arekkusu Senpai

I mean RDR2 and RDR1 already shows how revenge is bad every time.

Vor year
*Moth*
*Moth*

@The Other Jared Wow,This is bullshit

Vor year
The Other Jared
The Other Jared

@Why did you Press the Goku button me and my friends came up with a different plot that we think is better. The beginning is the same, except Abby is alone without a group. She is in the snow near the main group, but is ambushed by lickers. Joel happens to find Abby and saves her. He takes her back to the main group and everyone is properly introduced. Abby decides to not kill Joel yet, as she would get overpowered by everyone else. Joel trusts Abby immediately, even tries to converse with her as much as possible. Ellie grows some resentment because of this. When Ellie confronts Joel about this, he says that he recognizes Abby as the daughter of the surgeon he killed in the first game. He explains that the fireflies were incompetent and would have just killed Ellie for no reason, and killing them was the only way to get her back. He also explains that he wants to atone by being nice to Abby and doesn't want the cycle of revenge to continue. Abby overhears this and gets second thoughts about killing Joel. There are reports of lickers near an ammunition shed and they need to be taken care of. Joel is elected to go, and he chooses Abby as a partner. This really hurts Ellie, but she says nothing. On the walk there, Abby is considering whether or not she actually wants to kill Joel anymore. They find the shed with the lickers, and there is a seemingly infinite amount of them. Joel is overwhelmed and cornered in the shed. He calls for Abby, but she hesitates. Out of options, Joel blows up the ammunition shed, with the lickers and himself inside. Abby witnesses Joel's death and realizes she will get blamed for it, so she runs away. The rest come to the shed after seeing the explosion. Ellie sees Joel dies, has a breakdown, and swears revenge on Abby. The next several chapters alternate between Abby running away and Ellie looks for leads on where she went. Ellie starts each chapter with a fuller inventory then Abby, giving Ellie a fighting chance while Abby has no choice but to run. After a while, Abby meets Lev and Yara, who she takes in and protects for the rest of the game. Ellie finally catches up to Abby and they have a final battle. The player is Abby, and Ellie is made to be the hardest fight in the game. Abby can only slow Ellie down at best. When Ellie has Abby pinned and is about to kill her, Lev and Yara swoop in and try to help. Abby pathetically pleads to Ellie to not kill them. Ellie then realizes that she is unintentionally doing what Joel did in the first game and told her not to do. The fight stops, and Ellie instead asks her a bunch of questions. Abby explains how Joel really died and that she is sorry. In the end, both Ellie and Abby agree to walk away and act like the conflict never. No one wins the final battle, but they have another chanve to make the future better

Vor 2 years
Why did you Press the Goku button
Why did you Press the Goku button

@The Other Jared I remember someone saying the theme could’ve worked much better if instead of Ellie you see more of Abby. You see her feel remorse about what she did to Ellie, confused that Joel’s death didn’t make anything better. Her father is still dead, all it did was make her empty. Then when Ellie and Abby finally fight it’s Abby the spares Ellie instead of the other way around. Her being incredibly shaken would explain her sparring Ellie both the original time as well as when Ellie goes after Abby again.

Vor 2 years
Chufflebutt
Chufflebutt

Both the title and commentary of this video are spot on. Everything about this game was great. Beautiful graphics, amazing soundtrack, superb animations, convincing voice-acting, compelling characters, awesome gameplay mechanics, unique moments, etc. But, God damn this story to hell. I was warned to stay away from it; had the fact that Joel was going to be killed spoiled before I even began the first game, and I'm STILL upset. You'd think that would have softened the blow. But, it's irredeemable. I will always be mad about this, lol

Vor year
Logan Entertainment
Logan Entertainment

The gameplay and graphics is good, the story and characters is the true reason to why the game sucks. Still hate the game, and there's a possibility that the first remake will probably ruin the original game.

Vor 5 Monate
Bruh
Bruh

I remember I bought the game a month before it even came out. a $75 preorder. I hadnt even seen a trailer yet, i just happened to see it on the PS store, and I payed the money within 2 mins. A sequel to one of the best games of my childhood? Of course, take my money!! what a fucking idiot. i have and will never preorder again.

Vor 5 Monate
Barnadhya Barman
Barnadhya Barman

You are so right about the game, it didn’t stayed true to original at all and not just that as you said the starting of 1st last of us was so spectacular but this shit starts as a love drama and it actually is a love drama through out, zombies take the backdrop they are there but only as a gameplay function and nothing more. After Hollywood now even games are becoming shit trying to give moral lessons, we play games to relax and enjoy we don’t need moral lessons we need a flashed out story with proper emotions

Vor 7 Monate
M G
M G

Awesome review! I walked away from this game loving and hating it at the same time. I understand why Naughty Dog did some of the things they did in the game, but I can't say I agree with them. Forcing bad writing or character choices to tell your story ruins the message you're trying to get across, it also pulls the player out of the game. Playing as Gigantor felt dirty and I really didn't like it no matter how much they tried to justify it.

Vor year
The Karp King
The Karp King

They really should've made you start the game as Abby, right when she walks in on her dead dad. Gradually making her way toward Joel. Just to build sympathy and understanding of her circumstances. Because no matter what they did after, the fact that you see her kill Joel before she has any character growth makes it almost impossible to have any sympathy toward her. But if the game were to put you in abbys shoes on her journey to kill Joel, slowly building the tension, knowing what your goal is, but still going because you don't know if she'll succeed or not, then maybe people could've empathized with her. Like if you were to see your friends die, or get bit or something as Abby, that would add whole new facets, because in her eyes, not only did Joel kill her dad, but he also ruined the chance for a cure, so he also inadvertently caused her friends deaths too. Seeing her friends dying around her because the same guy that killed her dad also caused her friends deaths too would at least add more of a chance that players would come to understand and maybe even in some cases want her to kill Joel.

Vor year
Travis McNasty
Travis McNasty

This is impossible because Neil Druckman is a bad person.

Vor 2 Monate
twisto51
twisto51

99.9% of the game would have taken place in the gym, though.

Vor 5 Monate
Froyo The Wolf
Froyo The Wolf

I didn't know Joel from the first game, kinda watched all this play out backwards narratively speaking, and I feel like while Joel dying wasn't a bad decision, he definitely should've been given something more meaningful to die on. Overall I think it's still a powerful story on how revenge quests really hurt you, not them.

Vor year
Best Auntie Ever
Best Auntie Ever

How to Divide A Fan Base is a great take on the game. What Abby did was irredeemable. I felt nothing for her. I wanted the choice of killing her or not. We were owed that justice. They did Joel really dirty. The story Neil later described would've been better. Bringing Abby back to Jackson and going from there. Overall, story is a fail. The gameplay is great.

Vor year
Kristopher Garrett
Kristopher Garrett

Wasn't this supposed to be a zombie apocalypse game?

Vor 2 years
GamingHedgehog
GamingHedgehog

At least rockstar did it right with Undead nightmare

Vor 10 Monate
JM
JM

@SomeCoolToad You can literally remove the zombies from the plot of TLOU 2 and it would remain the same

Vor year
Alexander Martins
Alexander Martins

I think what the op ment to say is that TLOU2 is no longer about the infection and how it changed the world but more of a cheap and cheesy sjw soap opera.

Vor year
Borat B
Borat B

@Vector Skywalker Gay zombies.

Vor year
That One Guy
That One Guy

I loved playing as Ellie because obviously I grew up with her. She’s the main character of the series but I heard they might kill her off in the 3rd game. If that happens the 3rd game isn’t cannon and I will kill Neil druckman

Vor year
Andrew Fewtrell
Andrew Fewtrell

I can't believe they got the same voice actress back for the second game, after hearing one line I knew it was her. Thought she would of been voice acting a Disney film by now! I watched Joel die without playing the second game and I was so let down by the fact he had left himself so vulnerable. Would of been better if they had hinted at what was about to happen like unhinged people (in the current climate it would of made sense) and Ellie waking up to find Joel dead. Would of been more dignified if you'd seen the hero from the first game take out 4-5 of them, before he was killed, rather than looking like Alice down the rabbit hole. How does woke justice reach games? Most of those world destroying twats don't even play games. I call them world destroying because through social media they have literally triggered movements that make governments question their decisions. Probably due to some advisor that manages a twitter/(insert different social media platform that is worth less than the shit on your shoe). In my opinion the government should find it's balls stop trying to please every fucking idiot with a keyboard and pay attention to peaceful protest. Remember what it took to get the woman's vote back in the day? I do so why the fuck do these pumped up twats have so much power?

Vor year
Callum Bryan
Callum Bryan

I know I'm a couple year late but the ending you described would have been so much better, however I believe that gigantor would still kill Joel causing Ellie to kill her and still leaving Ellie all alone, it still shows that revenge brings out the worst in people especially if gigantor was working to kill Joel through the story but we weren't told until she turns on him at the end

Vor 3 Monate
Emit remmus
Emit remmus

Played Uncharted 1-3 and loved them, I was thoroughly enjoying the last of us as well for awhile too. Then I started noticing that it wasn't really a video game so much as a graphic novel and there was beginning to be and increasing absence of gameplay mechanics. I can only engage so many post apocalyptic cops who seem to have infinite ammo but never drop anything when they die before catastrophic annoyance sets in. I get they were going for a structure of scarcity but that gets completely undone once it is clear that the enemies are playing by a different ruleset. If

Vor 7 Monate
Riden's Room
Riden's Room

Woah. How did I miss this when I saw just about every video about how bad this game was :D As usual, great job. And don't go away now :D

Vor year
Ed Day
Ed Day

Gigantor doesn’t kill Ellie because she has the script. She knows Ellie will eventually save her and let her escape. She’s a genius!

Vor 2 years
osakafoojin
osakafoojin

Drew O'Pry lmao I was thinking that while reading this

Vor 2 years
Kaos Nova
Kaos Nova

Disappointed Statement: It would be significantly more interesting if Ellie ate Abby's body for meat, meatbags.

Vor 2 years
MsJavaWolf
MsJavaWolf

@Colorado Texan I only started watching RLM a few days ago and now I understand all those references, it looks like all my fav channels and their fans watch RLM. I always thought Plinkett was a character from some obscure 70s film or something.

Vor 2 years
GodOfPlague
GodOfPlague

@tumamaencosplay A completely seperate story would have been a better idea.

Vor 2 years
Ed Day
Ed Day

Evan Westendorf it’s more that it’s fun to poke fun at things like this. It’s a video game, not high art.

Vor 2 years
Jessejustsick
Jessejustsick

I have played so many games where you run around killing everyone/everything because they are trying to murder you. And yet with "The Last of Us", Joel is treated like a demon for doing the same damn thing. And yeah it's an interesting way to view the game but, by that logic the whole team of Avalanche are terrorists attacking Shinra, killing soldiers that had wives and kids, hopes and dreams, and whatever happens to them they deserve... I don't need video games to leave me feeling carved out and hollow like this, I have regular life for that lol

Vor 11 Monate
Jason Miller
Jason Miller

They should've had Gigantor's backstory and the other group before Joel's death. Make us care for them then pull the rug out from under us with Gigantor killing him. It's not perfect by any means, but a simple swapping of gameplay scenes would've hit harder. Another video explained it well: Neil knows how to write anger, he doesn't know how to write sadness.

Vor year
Officer K
Officer K

To me, the main thing that always killed my enjoyment was the lack of Factions (the first’s multiplayer) and no Left Behind DLC. If they sold all those stupid flashbacks as DLC instead, I think I would’ve been much happier cause they do detract from the actual game’s momentum in my opinion. Factions also needed to be there day 1, or at least a few months down the line. I know The Last of Us has always been a single player first experience, but Factions helps extend the life of the first game. I think another nitpick I definitely despise was how similar all human enemies fought along with only new enemy type: the brute. Much like Bioshock 1 and 2, how the hell don’t factions like the Washington Liberation Front or the Seraphites have ANY soldiers/men in the field that don’t have upgraded weapons? Imagine how cool it would’ve been if brutes co-existed along basic grunts, then as the ranks got higher and Ellie/Anderson killed far more with more badass firearms and better fighting skills? I think Ghost of Tsushima really nailed enemy type and variety plenty. One of the best enemies I love to fight in that game is the Straw Hat Ronin. They’re on, if not higher, your skill level as a samurai. Can I also say how stupid it is for the WLF, an actual militia, to have its members always refer to the other by first name basis? I think my issues dealt with more gameplay and such, but still, amazing review Drinker.

Vor 10 Monate
MyCatDied
MyCatDied

The gameplay is amazing, second to none in its style, amazing graphics and presentation. But the story, in the context of being a sequel to an amazingly written game, is straight dog shite. It may have been a good story, even a great one, had it not been a total castration of already established and loved characters. There are snippets of good written and actually creative concepts, but it’s usually totally incompetent where it actually fucking matters. The whole story and it’s major plot points are pretentious and heavy handed in delivery. And in many cases, I found myself feeling the exact opposite of how the writers clearly wanted me to feel. This is, once again, due to the pretentious writing and it’s almost disrespectfully blatant delivery. The story was plagued with social commentary when it should have had zero part to play in the setting of the game. Many of the decisions made just did not make sense, made by the writers and characters effectively. What’s the point in making a story just to take a colossal shit on the player at every turn? The writers didn’t allow me to like the story, it’s almost as if every decision the writers made had the sole purpose of making me hate the characters and the events they were involved in. And in the end, the character that the writers were so clearly trying to make you feel sympathy toward, was truly the villain of the entire game, that character being Abbie. She shows absolutely zero character growth, even after multiple plot points are made to try and show that she is progressing as a person. She continues to be a terrible person and dull character, who makes consistently and deliberately evil decisions, despite having the opportunity for growth in prior events, sometimes even minutes prior. And this is the character the writers want you to feel sympathy toward, while they very deliberately try to make the victim the one to blame for the whole cycle of violence, that victim being Ellie. Ellie is the victim of Abbie’s selfish and evil intent, and quite frankly the victim of Joel’s selfish decisions prior. Yet she, the victim, is the one who the writers decided should be demonized for her evil actions. I ask, why? Why are Abbey and Ellie not held to the same standards, when they are very similar in their violent tendencies, and generally hateful and evil actions? Why is the character who shows the least growth, the least regret for her shitty actions, that being Abbey, displayed as the better of the two characters by the end of the game? And why, why is Ellie, the general victim of all events prior to the Seattle story, and the person who shows more regret, grief, and guilt for her actions, displayed as the lesser of the two? It just does not make sense. And the writers are tying to make you feel this way toward these characters, when it just doesn’t make sense. Abbie is proven time and time again to be more evil in her intent, and less guilty for being so, yet she is supposed to be who we feel sympathy toward? How the fuck does that work? By the end of the story, Ellie, the lesser of two evils, is the one punished, while the greater evil is let off the hook, and given a new life, with someone to confide in I might add. Ellie is the character who experiences the most loss in this game, both literally and figuratively, and shows the most remorse toward said loss, while Abbie is rewarded with a friend by the end of the story, even tho she was inarguably the worse person of the two. And the writers expect us not to be fucking annoyed by this delivery of the story? Ok. Also not to mention, the Ellie gameplay sections were far better designed, and offered far more player choice in action. Ellie’s combat sections felt dynamic, and offered many different possibilities depending on how you wanted to approach a situation. While on Abbies side of things, most of her combat sections were stripped down to areas where it is literally impossible to maintain a stealthy approach. And this, in turn, resulted in almost all of her sections becoming wave based combat with enemies running at you nonstop, while you switch to cover, and shoot the waves of enemies. Abbeys section of the game was just less enjoyable in general. In both story, and gameplay. Fuck this game.

Vor 3 Monate
Prime Minister
Prime Minister

Can you believe that Ellie fell in love with a girl that happened to be bisexual and at the same time pregnant with her ex boyfriend's baby that would die later so Ellie and Dîna can have a baby of their own, a happy lesbian couple living in a farm in a post apocalyptic world... This has got to be some next level fan fiction writing

Vor 2 years
ErroneousE
ErroneousE

@kupotenshi how exactly?

Vor 4 Monate
John Strife
John Strife

​@Vsm426 say it louder for the people in the back

Vor 5 Monate
Vsm426
Vsm426

Ellie's gay by the way

Vor 9 Monate
Shineinpoverty
Shineinpoverty

I did not realized how funny it was until I read it 😆

Vor 10 Monate
kupotenshi
kupotenshi

@Miguel Taguchi Abby doesn't "get away with revenge", killing Joel destroyed all the happiness in her life. Revenge was bad for both of them

Vor 11 Monate
TheBelieveit1
TheBelieveit1

You know what everyone loves? Having a secondary protagonist murder the protagonist you've come to love from the previous game in cold blood, and then later be told that "No see, they are actually good and justified in a way." Yeah no. I wasn't really ever interested in these games to begin with since the survival horror genre just isn't my cup o tea, but man I can easily see why no one talks about this game much anymore and why it got the flack that it did. Despite everyone admitting it's quite fun to play, having Joel get taken out like a bitch out of nowhere and then get manipulated into sympathizing with his murderer really turned almost every gamer off from my understanding. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a number of people, the next chance they were given control of Gigantor, they just let her die over and over again. When you basically start out making people hate a character with a fiery passion, there's next to no chance you'll legitimately make people feel for them later on no matter how much you try to humanize them later. They may feel a bit at times but it'll never stick. And then in the end to have your revenge taken away from you because plot, oh yeah, that's gonna piss even more people off. Not only did you introduce a character that brutally murdered a beloved character, only to then be manipulated into sympathizing for them, but you then don't give players the satisfaction of avenging a character that became one of video games' most beloved tragic heroes? Get fucked.

Vor year
_tmiyc_
_tmiyc_

I loved the last of us pt2, the story was bad but damn the combat is so damn good.. I went through my first play through sneaking everywhere and it was boring, but now I'm on my second playthrough and I'm running through it guns blazing and oh my God the AI is so fuckin good. The combat scenarios feel so damn real, no game can replicate how it feels to play the last of us.

Vor year
Axl4325
Axl4325

Speaking of MGS again, MGSV (as shallow of a game it was) did revenge better. The first half of the game revolves around the pursuit of revenge against Skullface even though it´s a bad idea, but yet Venom chases him and when he´s face to face with Skullface stills pulls the trigger. The interesting part comes next, because any other game would have finished there, but the plot continues and it shows that these men just weren´t satisfied. Miller especially is still angry, still obsessed over revenge even though there is nothing else to get revenge for, training with an iron fist the next soldiers and preparing for the worst. Revenge in MGSV never brings peace to the people involved, only puts them at risk and ruins their lives by obsessing them. At the end of TLOU2 Ellie could have still killed Abby, showing how futile all of this was, instead of leaving her alive in an unsatisfying way. The player would have gotten revenge but it would show how this revenge got Ellie into so many problems with the ending scene unchanged. Kind of a Hotline Miami feel of "You brought this upon yourself by not stopping" but nah, the game is content with having a plot that doesn´t get the player involved by having the characters do irrational things, even having a choice at the end would be nicer

Vor 11 Monate
League Master gg
League Master gg

5:04 well to be fair he did kinda sacrifice the entire human race just to save Ellie. So basically, Joel killed Abby's father and everyone else in their lab basically dooming humanity. Abby's father was a doctor who was going to create a cure for the fungus saving humanity, at the cost of Ellie's life.

Vor 2 Monate
Jhay teh AwSoam
Jhay teh AwSoam

Ellie: gives up guitar because she lost two fingers Tony Iommi: *P A T H E T I C*

Vor year
J 1283
J 1283

Django Reinhardt: *PATHETIC*

Vor 3 Monate
c rose
c rose

@David Cornejo there’s literally a bunch of medicinal uses of anabolic steroids like treating muscle loss with diseases like certain cancers and aids. They’re also sometimes used to treat delayed puberty. I don’t care how much better her food is. There is almost no way a woman can eat the macros and calories required to sustain that muscle mass in a survival situation. And there’s no way for a normal woman to reach that mass dude. It’s physically impossible without steroids unless she has some sort of disorder.

Vor 3 Monate
David Cornejo
David Cornejo

@c rose Anabolic steroids have no medical benafit. They are just cosmetics. That's the equivalent of the wlf making make up instead of guns. It is still more believable her getting that sized naturally. If she is allowed to go in a personal mission for weeks then she definitely gets better food.

Vor 3 Monate
c rose
c rose

@David Cornejo well, technically steroids can be used medicinally. But actually, a bunch buff dudes hiring scientists to make steroids during the apocalypse is way more believable to me than a normal woman becoming her size. Especially if you assume she’s not eating that much because it’s the apocalypse.

Vor 3 Monate
David Cornejo
David Cornejo

@c rose Her getting that big is more realistic then any faction deciding to use their limited resources to create steroids instead of medicine.

Vor 3 Monate
Fearless JAKE
Fearless JAKE

Dude I played the first one and it was awesome , once I heard of the story and how it went I boycotted it , and now hearing it in full detail in 2022 , from this guy omg the game was horrible in all reasons but the graphics , that is so damn sad so sad I hate EVERYTHING about this story :( how they went about the main character in first game was Stupid and fucked in every way in glad I didn't touch this distasteful disastrous and dumpster fire of a "game"

Vor 4 Monate
Mark Browning
Mark Browning

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video. I have been saying this, albeit less eloquently, for a while now when it comes to this game. I was starting to feel alone in my beliefs with all of the backlash I've gotten when commenting your very perspective on this game. I guess people are willing to be told what to like and believe when it comes to our media, and then defend it to the death. This game is nothing but Neil flexing his liberal social justice muscles while giving a giant middle finger to everyone who embraced the first installment. And yes, Ellie is indeed gay. Don't you or anyone else forget it.

Vor 8 Monate
Leo Monk
Leo Monk

To make it easy I just don’t consider the last of us two canon, works like a charm

Vor 27 Tage
The Gregitto
The Gregitto

I liked two things about this game and two things only. 1: It's realistic and brutal for a scenario that's very unreal. You can technically come that whole way as Ellie through all the struggles, but walk through the wrong door and can be quickly shot down. You know what that reminds me of? The real world, where heroes, villains, and everyone in between don't usually go out with heroic or dramatic deaths, but rather will most likely die suddenly, unexpectedly, and without "glory". 2: I played it on the hardest difficulty because I like to force myself to get used to the hardest difficulty first so everything else becomes much easier and I'm better at the technical elements of the game. Playing on this difficulty presented a different level of challenge, primarily due to the scarce resources that had me oftentimes fighting zombies bare handed or with Ellie's switchblade so I could gather and conserve ammo for when I would need it more. Edit: That first point isn't me saying I thought Joel's death was fitting, deserved, or should've happened. Quite frankly, they disrespected him.

Vor 3 Tage
Meris
Meris

Ellie "no stop she's pregnant" Abby "good" And we're meant to sympathize with this character?

Vor 2 years
the magneficent
the magneficent

If you are a liberal, then I guess it's just a "clump of cells", so it doesn't really matter. It does to me though.

Vor 6 Monate
Hoppa_21
Hoppa_21

@Fredo This was my first thought too. But that thought didn't last long. Mainly because she showed no regrets for this action. Just like she showed none with Joel. Joel saving her life and a daughter-like girl begging her to not kill him? Nope. Not feeling any regret or sympathy. Wanting to kill a more passive seeming pregnant girl to make someone else suffer and only stopping because some child told her not to do it? And again, no regret seen for a horrible act she almost committed? That is all just bafflingly stupid of a way to write Abby. There is no sympathy I can extend to her as she isn't giving any sympathy towards others. Heck, she isn't even horrified by her own monstrous actions unlike Ellie in the game. Ellie was disturbed after torturing and killing someone as well as after killing a pregnant woman. Abby was missing this. And it shows. I believe even with how horribly it was set up, if people saw her hesitate and show genuine regret that was plaguing her, then they might have been more willing to at least give her a chance. Or at least some might have given her more than they did with how it was now.

Vor 9 Monate
Dillon Malbrue
Dillon Malbrue

@Julio Julio but Ellie never shows satisfaction in it, that's the thing

Vor year
Kyle Sapikowski
Kyle Sapikowski

Not to mention she bangs Owen, knowing he has a pregnant girlfriend. But I'm guessing the feminists are gonna say something like.... well... honestly I actually can't perform mental gymnastics like that. Feminists are insane 🤣

Vor year
humdrumfeast
humdrumfeast

@MightyFineIncredible plenty of rational arguments against you and people of similar opinions. Just because you choose not to acknowledge them doesn’t make them less relevant even a year later.

Vor year
400yearSamurai
400yearSamurai

Joel absolutely WOULDNT trust a group of strangers so quickly. He would not do that. That’s my problem. He WOULDNT do that.

Vor 3 Monate
EgoEroTergum
EgoEroTergum

So, in short: it was a fundamentally flawed concept, with regards to the initial motivations and story direction, but one that was lovingly crafted and professionally executed by the animators and actors? I can understand that.

Vor 9 Monate
Bigot Sandwich
Bigot Sandwich

Personally I was well and truly done when they brought out the girl power stuff with a heavily pregnant lady running around doing parkour and getting shot at

Vor 6 Monate
Nerds Never Sleep
Nerds Never Sleep

I was so upset by the story of this game. I've never seen such poor character assassination in a game. I fully agree with your views of the game. I mean, the graphics were fantastic, the gameplay was perfect. But man ... they story was just shit. I never understood the kids and the entire point of that arc other than to put more agenda pushing characters in. The romance scene pissed me off seeing as Sony is always censoring anime games.

Vor 9 Monate
per solus
per solus

only problem with this review is that I think you should’ve clarified Ellie’s sexuality, I’m still incredibly confused

Vor 2 years
Eskander X
Eskander X

Was so expecting the clarification at the end of the video tho... Now I'm not even sure about mine.

Vor year
Silas Hurd
Silas Hurd

Ellie’s gay by the way

Vor year
Liquid Ocelot
Liquid Ocelot

@Angel Garcia Oh it’s not two girls kissing each other it’s just that the story is complete trash

Vor year
Angel Garcia
Angel Garcia

A bunch of “straight” men put off by cute lesbians kissing each other. I didn’t know other “straight” dudes didn’t like lesbians. Smh I want more lesbians in my games and more of them kissing. Why are so many dudes mad at that? Are you secretly……gay? Maybe that’s why you all disliked it so much? Because it confused you?

Vor year
Liquid Ocelot
Liquid Ocelot

She’s lesbian

Vor year
J C
J C

Mr. Drinker, in all honesty, I am not a gamer and most of the "gamer babble" went straight over my head, but I always enjoy watching your videos to hear your take on proper storytelling. Kudos.

Vor 10 Monate

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