The Immoral Design of Diablo Immortal

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    Josh Strife HayesJosh Strife Hayes

    Addendum: Legendary Crests are even worse than we thought: de-film.com/v-video-YF--ytWn8mU.html

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    Hello friend, stay a while and listen.

    Diablo Immortal is a mobile and PC game based on Blizzard's long running Diablo series, it's basically a gacha game with a Diablo skin, it's undeniably fun, but the monetisation, is something else.

    If you're not playing it, why not? Don't you guys have phones?

    Thanks to the Patreon supporters and Twitch subs who keep the channel alive.

Josh Strife Hayes
Josh Strife Hayes

Addendum: Legendary Crests are even worse, update video here: https://youtu.be/YF--ytWn8mU

Vor 3 Monate
Deine Schulden sind der Grund fürs Verderben
Deine Schulden sind der Grund fürs Verderben

Immoral? Haha what a joke you must be 😂

Vor Monat
Reason4Termination
Reason4Termination

waaahh waaah

Vor Monat
John Baranski
John Baranski

Autoplay took me from another video, to a Diablo immortal commercial, to this, lol.

Vor 2 Monate
Furious TV
Furious TV

This diablo was never ment to be a sequel or a pc game, allways was ment for the chinese / mobile market

Vor 2 Monate
Kayden Cameron
Kayden Cameron

Its funny that the ad for this video was Diablo Immortal

Vor 2 Monate
Chyrosran22
Chyrosran22

I don't give a flying fuck how enjoyable this game might be. This is unacceptable. As you point out, accepting this is encouraging the industry to make such practices standard.

Vor 3 Monate
kosajk
kosajk

@Andura Gaming devs are on cotracts they got their moneys already, also games like this make most revenue in first weeks when whales stretch their wallets so im not sure how you want to preserve devs while hitting accounting in companies ;P if we opose next time they may not try reaching so depp into our pockets

Vor 2 Monate
Russell Long
Russell Long

@Clyde Cash easily, people have been dropping fucking massive, the largest ive seen is 72k

Vor 2 Monate
Clyde Cash
Clyde Cash

@amber is turd whoa! I know people who drop maybe a $1000 or so, but are those real numbers? 50-100k?

Vor 2 Monate
amber is turd
amber is turd

@Andura Gaming They knew what's up. They are equally responsible. They didnt put their souls into this game.Everything has been made for single purpose only - to attract more people.

Vor 2 Monate
Anthony Lund
Anthony Lund

It breaks my heart that developers are starting to refer to single player console masterpieces without micro transactions like Elden Ring as “legacy games”

Vor 3 Monate
Sunbleached Angel
Sunbleached Angel

if by "developers" you mean "big corpos" then yeah, they'll say whatever makes them more money

Vor 12 Stunden
Chris H
Chris H

@o_sagui That's just not true at all... There and tonnes of games being released that are "full fledged" games. What are you talking about? Lmao

Vor 9 Tage
AniGa
AniGa

Let's not go totally crazy here. If you look outside MMOs and the AAA scene, there are still tons of complete singleplayer experiences coming out every year - Nintendo, AA, indie, numerous Japanese studios... there's still plenty to sink your teeth into, arguably more than ever. It's just become a lot less visible amid the absolute marketing _monster_ promoting nothing but the live service microtransaction gacha _sludge._

Vor 9 Tage
Shuckle
Shuckle

Legacy? More like gaslighting dumb players because they want more money printing machines aka games

Vor 11 Tage
Select2Play
Select2Play

Hi, I am a game developer and I can assure you, absolutely no one in the industry calls it that. Just because a few game journalists do it doesn't mean it is industry standard at all. Remember, most game journalists today don't even like or play games themselves.

Vor 25 Tage
Nomad624
Nomad624

I'm shocked. I expected this game to have a bunch of overpriced microtransactions, but instead, we get the most complicated microtransaction system ever conceived. This is an advanced, almost artistic, level of deception and entrapment that we can only gasp at. The lengths people will go to line their pockets at anyone's expense is utterly unfathomable.

Vor 2 Monate
Cromulom
Cromulom

It's beautiful

Vor 8 Tage
Jamie Last
Jamie Last

@Caden VanValkenburg This is the Citizen Kane of mobile games.

Vor 9 Tage
Caden VanValkenburg
Caden VanValkenburg

Diablo immortal is what mere mobile games aspire to

Vor 21 Tag
Atmos Dwagon
Atmos Dwagon

Video gaming as a hobby began life in arcades, where enjoyment was limited to how many quarters a person might have on their person at any given time. These games increasingly went from amusements to becoming soft gambling in themselves; being tailored to be increasingly unfair in order to extract as much money from the player as possible, to the point where most games were bluntly intended to be impossible to beat by the average member of the public. (Fun historical gaming fact: Back in the 1980s and early 90s, Konami game arcades in Japan were often owned by the Yakuza and were fought over like Pachinko parlors.) All of that changed when early PCs and specialized game consoles gave us a specialized means to allow independent replay-ability, which in turn radically altered and expanded what the medium was capable of. It has grown and reformed itself so many times to allow personal expression and commercial benefit that it's almost hard to see the underlying roots of it all now, especially if you weren't there. But today, after decades of progress moving away from what essentially began as a novelty amusement one-step removed from a claw machine (soft gambling), that we're not only regressing the better part of 40 years on the monetization schemes, but throwing standards to entirely new lows for gaming? Standards that even real world casinos haven't seen since Prohibition, I might add. What on Earth is wrong with us? How have we let things slide so badly so quickly? And what kind of brain-dead idiot thinks that things like Pay2Win is a good thing? Is anyone actually so naive as to think that the extra proceeds are going to fund better, more artistic games down the line? Why would a for-profit entity even bother with that when standards are so low that they can keep the bean counters and investors happy with significantly less effort? I doubt anyone is going to read this because "block of text", but seriously: If you're defending business practices like what Blizzard is shoving into their games now, you had better be selling out, because I weep for your brain and the future of gaming at large if you're doing this on principle.

Vor 3 Monate
Adam Leverance
Adam Leverance

This dude has common sense 👏 anyone who can not see his point is the problem. You do not have to agree with his pov but you should see where they are coming from.

Vor 28 Tage
Awakege
Awakege

Well said.

Vor Monat
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen

You can probably pay $0.99 for a TL;DR of that text.

Vor Monat
B.F. Demolaye
B.F. Demolaye

@Dogance Not a response

Vor Monat
Cameron Ward
Cameron Ward

Anyone arguing that "well I'm having fun" is like someone pumping quarters into a slot machine shrugging and saying "well I'm having fun". Good, good for you, you've been conditioned by a game designed by a bunch of psychologists sitting around a board room figuring out how to trigger a dopamine rush via colors and sounds and x-amount of rewards per minute to keep you clicking. Yes you are having fun... good job you've been conditioned... congratulations.

Vor 3 Monate
WPGN Gaming-Videos
WPGN Gaming-Videos

@Chris H Because I am intelligent enough to realize that no game is going to play exactly the way I want it to, and I dont delude myself into thinking that, nor do I delude myself into thinking that just because *I* dislike a game, does it mean its a bad game, or its disgusting, or any of that.

Vor 9 Tage
Chris H
Chris H

@WPGN Gaming-Videos Then you're still feeding a disgusting system whether you pay the money yourself or not. You're just padding the servers for the whales. Also wouldn't you like it if the game was actually more fun? If it was actually "as fun as possible" and not just fun enough to keep you around? Why don't you want a better game? Why are you so happy with just accepting "fun enough" when you could have something so much better?

Vor 9 Tage
Grant Oden
Grant Oden

These are the people that have allowed the gaming industry to treat their consumer base with absolute disdain and and rake in billions through predatory practices.

Vor 11 Tage
GuidesForUsAll
GuidesForUsAll

Thank you for this video Josh, not just for the entertainment, but also for the objective information that can be pointed to to show exactly why these kinds of games are so bad for the industry and for consumers.

Vor 3 Monate
Ynemey
Ynemey

Doesn't sound bad if the game is "extremely fun". Sounds like a glowing review.

Vor 3 Monate
Liberty Prime
Liberty Prime

So were you looking for videos to reinforce opinions you already had?

Vor 3 Monate
Jonas Eriksson
Jonas Eriksson

@Caincorn What are you talking about?

Vor 3 Monate
The Exurian
The Exurian

Hey yo just wanted to say, glad you are still kicking and to see that you escaped the Warframe content creator trap. I loved your videos when I first started back in 2016.

Vor 3 Monate
Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson

Thank you for this. I recently spent over $20k that I could not afford on an objectively awful game over 1.5 years, realizing the entire time that I had a huge problem. Watching this and learning to identify some of the tricks they use to hook whales made me hard quit and uninstall DI after only spending about $60, and now I think I can avoid these games in the future.

Vor 3 Monate
Chris H
Chris H

Yo good on you for figuring that out about yourself! I hope you can continue to stay away from these predators and that you're genuinely happier for it. 👍

Vor 9 Tage
SliceIceNDice
SliceIceNDice

I did the same on a mobile game called lords mobile, thankfully I was able to get refunded for over half before I quit.

Vor Monat
Richard Flanagan
Richard Flanagan

The more you invest in time and money , the more we get invested .. it’s a drug , and I quit .. I saw myself going down that addiction and realised I needed to stop .

Vor Monat
Paradox V
Paradox V

@Eagletdagriffin Nope, it was Dragon Raja. Genshin I try out like 30 minutes and knowing how predatory it is, I quit

Vor Monat
Eagletdagriffin
Eagletdagriffin

@Paradox V Genshin?

Vor Monat
LenLen
LenLen

I grew to loathe Blizzard but my heart breaks for my father who adores Diablo. Thankfully my brother and I managed to convince him not to play this garbage. I dread to think what Diablo 4 is gonna be like...

Vor 2 Monate
Echonian
Echonian

Blizzard has been going down this route since after WoW exploded in popularity and Starcraft 2 came out, sadly. They aren't a company anymore that wants to make good experiences. They are a company that makes good experiences - solely so they can make them as addictive as possible and then get as much money as possible out of people they have addicted to their predatory games. Well, I wouldn't mind it - the old games are available to play still, right? Except then they patched Warcraft 3 - my favorite game by them (one of my favorite games ever) - to require you to download the "Remastered" version even if you never bought the remaster, increasing the download size by dozens of times and not even having all of the same features implemented. Blizzard at this point is a company I easily ignore, but it's sad to remember how things used to be. So many companies made it big by providing great gaming experiences, only to become corrupted by the industry and greed, becoming the problem rather than the solution.

Vor 9 Tage
PsychaChi
PsychaChi

@elia vita Seasons ruined D3 for me so I hope D4 doesnt do that shit again... Just come out with the game and just the game. Add expansions. Dont add shit like F2P games add.

Vor 2 Monate
elia vita
elia vita

Yeah, hope it's monetization isn't so bad, i mean it can't be since the game isn't f2p, but you never know with act bilz, what would bother me is that the game look fantastic in both graphics and gameplay, so it would be a shame to see it ruined by these stupid monetization practises

Vor 2 Monate
Blimbo.G. Schmeltzer
Blimbo.G. Schmeltzer

When I heard the ‘per account’ bombshell, my jaw dropped and it made me realise They spent the majority of design,thought, energy, time and money… on how best to con players out of more money. It’s almost commendable…almost

Vor Monat
Haveyouseenchefplis??
Haveyouseenchefplis??

you mean per character?

Vor 21 Tag
Sentret Sparkle
Sentret Sparkle

15:02 *reading chat* JSH: no one is against the game making money, it's the fact it's so predatory OreoMuffin: technically everything is predatory Truly the greatest philosopher of our time

Vor 2 Monate
Ari Weaver
Ari Weaver

I really wish predatory games didn’t make so much money. It’s so frustrating to see these incredibly abusive systems financially encouraged by their victims. Thanks for the thorough breakdown of this insidious and reprehensible design.

Vor 3 Monate
Select2Play
Select2Play

@2Fat4Airborne I'm getting the idea that you're talking without actually trying the game out first. No loot is locked behind paywalls but you can pay to get extra loot. It doesn't mean you will never get that loot without paying, just that you get to not grind as hard. There are are lot players who never pay for anything and are doing just fine in the game, its even easy to find f2p guides for the game everywhere. The dungeons are fun and it has more content than most other mobile games. The revenue they make is directly linked to how fun the game is, there are plenty of mobile games with worse predatory behavior and ingrained micro transactions out there that don't make a fraction of what diablo makes, why? Because they're not good.

Vor 23 Tage
Equinox
Equinox

Watching this, I can't help but imagine parents screaming at their kid for spending hundreds of $$ on this game with their credit card.

Vor 3 Monate
Nicola Pelos
Nicola Pelos

This game average players age is 35-40

Vor 14 Tage
Slevin Channel
Slevin Channel

@PsychaChi 2:20: This Speech of Josh here reminds me so hard of what 'Some More News' and 'Second THought' say bout Worker-Righs and how were totally not powerless. Must-Watch for the average people, if i may say so.

Vor 2 Monate
PsychaChi
PsychaChi

Happened on Fortnite alot.. And Roblox.

Vor 2 Monate
avi
avi

it happened with that one fifa game

Vor 2 Monate
Straight White Male
Straight White Male

By 20 minutes in and onward, you were blowing my mind. As a student psychologist, I already knew damn well that games with heavy microtransactions use psychological tricks on us to get us to buy. I was even fully lucid about it when it affected me a few times in Apex Legends, when for $20 more I could get juuuust the right amount of money I needed for those two nice cosmetics while $10 wouldn't even get me one. At those times, I just laughed and thought fair play before making the purchase anyway. But man, this is just an entire new level. The way you have so accurately dissected that the rifts are just an extremely clever and pre-established (by D3) workaround to the loot box issue so that they do not need to reveal the RNG of the items you want to keep you invested and keep you buying is just masterful. I've shared this with every gamer I know, friends and family. Not because we're all so invested in Diablo Immortal, but because most just seem to smile and nod when I try to explain what happens to them when they feel they absolutely must have that new skin. This might just do the trick and finally explain exactly the psychological tricks developers play on us to get us to buy. Instant sub. Dunno why YouTube never recommended this channel to me before, but I'm glad it did now.

Vor 3 Monate
Unknown Angel
Unknown Angel

@Everett Cooper he has no clue that he supporting the very thing he claims to hate. I figured that out in his long drawn out response that i read the first couple sentences of. It's beating a dead horse.

Vor Monat
Straight White Male
Straight White Male

@Unknown Angel Ah yes it's all lies, that's why the game has a 0.3/5 user score among 60 million players, of which only an absolute maximum of 2 million have watched this video (and likely not even since many non players such as myself will have watched it). Since you are Jordan Peterson when it comes to human psychology and Phillip Dosen when it comes to gaming, do explain to me why it has a 0.3/5 user score? That's lower than anything I've ever seen. Generally, AAA games will have one over 4. Anything under 4 is likely mediocre. Anything under 3 will be downright bad. I've never even seen a game fall under 2. This one falls under 1, and under 0.5. It's unprecedented. How is he ''totally wrong'' on everything except the loot boxes? You've not explained anything except for the Boon Of Plenty, which you explained so poorly that I still don't get it. Are you saying that even without logging on, you still gather the rewards? So like if you buy it, you can then just be away for half a year, and when you log on you get the full reward of every day even though you missed logging in on them? Because if that's what you're saying, then you're right that he's wrong about that. But you've not explained anything else. What he said about the rifts is an undeniable fact. It is a smokescreen of extremely contrived and repetitive gameplay to circumvent gambling laws. And it isn't even working since my home country of the Netherlands and my neighbouring country of Belgium have both rightfully banned this game due to breach of conduct on said gambling laws. You're a soulless drone. Slave to consumerism. It's sad to see you defending this. To quote Josh here: ''If you're having fun, that's great. We do not want you to stop having fun. We want companies to treat you better.''

Vor Monat
ESL42
ESL42

I was excited for D:I. I took a few days to get started because I was off the grid. Had a lot of fun fighting through the forest and meeting Deckard for the fourth first time. I uninstalled it as soon as the world chat unlocked and everyone was discussing microtransactions. Because I am not the type with a lot of self control. There was a time in my life when I was paying hundreds of dollars a month in $3.99 increments, each one "not that much" in my brain, despite the ever-growing total. I am the exact sort of person microtransaction designers are literally banking on. It made me so sad to know DI was that same model. I was genuinely excited for mobile Diablo. I don't know why I ever expected it to be anything other than predatory.

Vor 2 Monate
Nicola Pelos
Nicola Pelos

Well you are a step ahead of the average pray. You realized is your foult to lack selfcontrol.

Vor 14 Tage
K. Alfsen
K. Alfsen

Same, as soon as I saw the multiple menus and UID and world chat I uninstalled. I've been milked by a game like that once, never again

Vor Monat
n0odles86
n0odles86

This is why they were booed and asked if it was "an out of season April fool's joke" when it was announced; we saw what was going to happen. NEVER be excited for a mobile game. Ever.

Vor 2 Monate
Beta snip
Beta snip

Extreme and utterly disgusting practices,..... to say the least. Thanks for being direct and clinical. This is a scam hidden behind an alright game that hasnt evolved for decades.

Vor 3 Monate
TooLoLish
TooLoLish

I am a lawyer in Copenhagen, Denmark, specialising in consumer rights laws (amongst other things). That loot box loophole you describe from about 29:00 on is absolutely insane. As you correctly state, it is technically legal, however it is very obviously a loophole (at least under most EU consumer rights legislation). Blizzard abusing such a loophole in legislation meant to protect a weak party (the consumer) is a stain on the gaming business, and i am very saddened that Blizzard would stoop so low. I was actually considering playing this game, but now i would sooner quit gaming, than support this kind of tendency. Furthermore, i am thoroughly convinced that this loophole will, at some point in the near future, be patched in EU legislation. Most other jurisdisctions (Chinese, American etc) generally provide much weaker consumer rights protection, and so i believe they will be able to continue this distasteful tendency there. I am actually baffled, and i am very pleased that you are shedding some much needed light on this.

Vor 3 Monate
jeova0sanctus0unus
jeova0sanctus0unus

@Lexide you SAY you dont like this kind of monetisation, but you are engaging in a level of whataboutism that us usually reserved for Fanatic defenders. Or Bots.

Vor Monat
En 352
En 352

@Roy Huang This comment right here is want to see being discussed instead of the mindless ramble and circlejerk of gamers repeating catchphrases

Vor 2 Monate
Terry Monks
Terry Monks

It really is alarming, these laws were meant to protect people with poor impulse control, younger people or those who operate at younger ages. It's sickening how these companies slither their way in regardless. Listening to those scum bags tell various courts "its optional." Meanwhile they hire psychologists to milk more money from people. I am ashamed to be gamer when I see this stuff, purely evil. Poor Blizzard employees who have to deal with all this backlash, and all the harassment. Blizzard truly is the worst company around, they have managed to beat out EA. Thanks for insight Mr. Lawyer!

Vor 3 Monate
ur gae
ur gae

@Mustang 0524 It is the government’s business to tell you to wear a seatbelt, since those save your life. It’s also the government’s business to tell people they cannot smoke/consume certain drugs (including alcohol as a drug) until a certain age because you become a danger to yourself, and others. It causes irreparable damage to do such things they tell you not to do, whether for yourself, or for others. It’s like saying “oh the government can’t tell me to not buy illegal weapons, I want them since my freedom is more important than other people’s safety if I choose to use my illegal weapons on them.”

Vor 3 Monate
Alex Brook
Alex Brook

New to the channel, just wanted to say I always appreciate when a Youtuber uses as much of their own footage as possible. It shows you actually put the time and effort into the game before judging it.

Vor 3 Monate
Dominique Norman
Dominique Norman

Crazy how things change, EA had the worst microtransactions with lootboxes and other stuff and now Blizzard is worse.

Vor 3 Monate
Mike Zilla
Mike Zilla

If you had told me 15 years ago they'd make a Diablo game that I would refuse to play on principles of freaking morality alone, I wouldn't have believed it. I'm not playing Diablo: Immortal. I don't care if they do "rebalance" microtransactions. If we don't give them a reason not to do this in the future, you can say goodbye to Diablo 4 being a pleasant experience.

Vor 3 Monate
ZachisSublime
ZachisSublime

A lot of companies will initially find the loopholes shown here, but then feign 'rebalancing' after they've ran away with all of the fucking money. They knew exactly what they were doing and how it was going to fuck people over and give them a lot of bad press, but they would be asking for an apology on the way to the bank.

Vor 20 Tage
LadyAhro
LadyAhro

Diablo Immoral.

Vor 2 Monate
Ax The Axe
Ax The Axe

Diablo 3 already launched as an unpleasant experience, they tried to monetize it too.

Vor 2 Monate
Warco
Warco

there was and maybe still is a job listing for a blizzard shop experience manager for diablo 4. Very few AAA companies will avoid cash shops in games now. They are proven to work despite the backlash, and the salami tactics and apathy of the public forever allow them to sink further and further into the destruction of the experience.

Vor 2 Monate
Texas Red
Texas Red

it's honestly impressive how they managed to worm their way into every aspect of the game and squeeze every bit of money out of every player. they should have used that development time to make the game good

Vor 3 Monate
Xuvial
Xuvial

Blizzard were at their peak when they borrowed good ideas from other games and combined + polished it into an amazing product. With Diablo Immortal, they did it again...but this time they took the the most UNETHICAL monetization tactics from all successful mobile/gacha/p2w games and combined it into a single monstrosity. Diablo Immortal is the perfectly calculated final form of predatory monetization in gaming. It's like something made in a laboratory by a team of sales analysts, psychologists, lawyers, etc.

Vor 3 Monate
Wyzai
Wyzai

@Talentless they absolutely did. POE has account bound cosmetics and no paid daily login. Not to say their systems aren't predatory in their own right, but we're comparing a house cat to a tiger.

Vor 2 Monate
Nikoloz Gilles
Nikoloz Gilles

ITS ALIIIIIIVEEEE

Vor 3 Monate
kurtis vandermiller
kurtis vandermiller

I wouldn't even call it Diablo immortal. I would call it Diablo immoral because the morals of this game or fucked up.

Vor 3 Monate
Angry Kagg
Angry Kagg

You know I'm finally watching this a few weeks later and you are so Fing right about the people who say "well I'm having fun." GREAT! NO ONE IS SAYING YOU CANT HAVE FUN. All of us who have a problem are just mad that the company is ok with treating their customers like crap. Yes you can have fun with a dog sh*t game, but just imagine the fun you could be having if the company cared. Those people who sit on the side lines because they are "having fun" are actually hurting everyone else who is fighting for not only better games, but better practices behind them. Those people are probably the reason why gaming companies have stooped as low as they have. Anyone ever heard the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing?" Yes this applies here and it is especially poetic for a game like diablo.

Vor 3 Monate
Josh Ramsay
Josh Ramsay

I always come back to watch this video because it's such a thorough and well thought out deconstruction of this disgustingly monetized mess well done Josh you have fast become one of my favourite youtubers keep up the awesome content👍👏

Vor Monat
SkyBlueFox1
SkyBlueFox1

Honestly, what I find so fascinating - and disquieting - about DI in particular is how we've seen mobile games shift towards less predation over time, and now we're seeing them shift back towards more predation. Here's a good, somewhat infamous example. Waaay back in the day, when MLP was still starting to blow up online, Gameloft put out a mobile game for it. This was 2012-ish, and it was exactly what you might expect if you remember those days: a Farmville clone, where you collected various currencies via minigames, built up a town via time gating, and collected pony characters via extremely high game-currency payments. This already sounds remarkably boring, but it gets 'better' - people did the math regarding the currency, F2P rates, and so on, and discovered that at the time of release, you'd either need to spend nearly 300 bucks total to collect every characters... or you'd need to play every single day for a little over *15 years*. As time went on, though, we started seeing the mobile market shift a bit. App stores started getting filled with a lot more shovelware garbage, but official games were getting a bit more varied, and their microtransactions were getting a little (only a little) more workable. Pokemon GO has plenty of microtransactions for extra items and things, but it's relatively easy to keep up a good stock of items all on your own as long as you live in a relatively active area (which, on the other hand, neuters anyone living in the middle of nowhere). Gacha games started appearing, and while their money practices were dreadfully whale-y, their gameplay was still way more engaging than Farmville Clone Number 385. Then, we started to see this stuff seeping into the broader industry. Overwatch had ye olde infamous Lootboxe, which was undoubtedly the first experience of this stuff for a lot of people. MMOs started leaning harder into microtransactions and things. "Free to play"/"Free to start" games started appearing in earnest, and oftentimes had incredibly player-unfriendly systems. Take Pokemon Picross on the 3DS, for example - it costs energy to start playing a level, making mistakes costs energy, and when you run out, you have to wait for a few hours or pay money to keep going, even if you're literally in the middle of a puzzle. It was only after the Battlefront 2 fiasco in 2017 that we started seeing a little more clamping-down on this stuff. Unfortunately, mobile games are now shifting back towards those super-predatory practices by essentially creating normal console/computer games and shoving them onto a mobile-style platform. Elder Scrolls Blades is, surprisingly, a very fun dungeon-crawler, and while it is relatively easy to get currency bit-by-bit, by the time you hit lategame content, you either stop playing because you're done or you need to sink lots of time and/or money into lootboxes hoping for good gear. Pokemon Unite was a surprisingly fun MOBA at launch, and in the first week of playing I made enough currency to purchase the one Pokemon I wanted to play as... but then I took a trip to a place with spotty internet, dropped the game entirely, and now it's succumbed to every single problem that plagues the MOBA genre as a whole. And of course, Chocobo GP is a depressingly good example, given it showed up in a Nintendo Direct and everyone assumed it'd be a normal game, only to get slapped in the face with terrible moneygrubbing. Now, we have Diablo Immortal, a game which is apparently actually really, really fun at its core, and yet it was shoved onto mobile platforms in order to take advantage of the monetization of that medium. There was no reason this game couldn't have been 'Diablo 4', and given the general praise it gets outside of its microtransactions, it's clear that the people behind the actual game part of the game seem to know what they're doing. The only reason it was banished to mobile hell is out of Blizzard's sheer want for profit - a game which clearly had thought put into it, forced into the mines of obscurity and terrible PR. And that, more than anything, is the worst of all worlds.

Vor 2 Monate
Darkboarder4
Darkboarder4

8:06 - 8:24 Great explanation. Succinct and funny. 10/10, would be amused by again. 21:10 Ah yes, the slow process as the multiple currencies overshadow the gameplay, represented visually. Also the whole "Well I'm having fun, so I don't see a problem" statement from players in regard to predatory micro transactions (and really any game criticism) is like being at a murder trial and saying "Well I'm alive, so I don't see a problem". Your subjective personal experience is not the issue, the objectively malevolent design of the game is the issue. Actually, people often respond to criticism with arguments that, while potentially true, have no bearing on the criticism in question.

Vor 3 Monate
nambreadnam
nambreadnam

The crowd booed when it was revealed that D:I was a mobile game. The response of "what, you guy's don't have phones?" was entirely missing the reason people were unhappy. We knew EXACTLY how this game was going to turn out. As an aside, we need to be careful that this isn't a cynical push to shift the overton window surrounding mobile monetisation. They may have fully expected the blowback, to then concede on monetisation systems they knew wouldn't sit well, so the players will say "oh it's not as bad as it was" when in actuality it's still much worse than other comparable titles.

Vor 3 Monate
Esmolol
Esmolol

I can't think of a single game (except star citizen) that is that predatory and terrible designed in 30 years of gaming experience, playing probably more than a thousand games.

Vor Monat
Lawrence Talbot
Lawrence Talbot

And yet so many people still played this game upon release. If it is that predatory or clearly designed for mobile, why play it all? For that reason I never got it in the first place and I’ve played Diablo since the original.

Vor 2 Monate
Fortress Fortresson
Fortress Fortresson

Well you just explained exactly what was happening in hearthstone and its "reward track" in late 2020

Vor 2 Monate
lofiheadchange
lofiheadchange

And it turned out to be possibly the most abusive, expensive, and psychologically manipulative game ever made. I make $30 an hour and I can't afford this game.

Vor 2 Monate
Sanelora1
Sanelora1

The EA methodology I see

Vor 2 Monate
shiversivegotem
shiversivegotem

I feel like its basically impossible to have any fun in a multiplayer game as a casual player these days. They're all made for addicts and to turn people into addicts. Being a frequent internet user illustrates the consequences well. So many of my peers have their lives severely impacted by gaming/internet addiction.

Vor 2 Monate
Bob Roberts
Bob Roberts

Excellent breakdown. This game is an incredible piece of work, for all the wrong reasons.

Vor 3 Monate
Sweet Lovely Death
Sweet Lovely Death

New sub here. Act Man sent me in your direction. Surprisingly enough I have been watching your JS plays channel for awhile and I didn't realize you had this channel lol. Anyways I completely agree. This game seems to be about as predatory as they come. I'm never been much of a mobile gamer... My wife and I are (were) huge Diablo fans and it sucks to see such a cool franchise just dump itself down the drain... :/

Vor 3 Monate
Ngọc Hùng Long Nguyễn
Ngọc Hùng Long Nguyễn

mad respect for those streammers. They spent a lot of money for nothing so we don't have to make the same mistake.

Vor 2 Monate
Jahodaseslehackou
Jahodaseslehackou

This game turned out to be a really nice cash shop simulator. Only occasionally are my spending sessions interrupted by an inconsequential minigame, where I have to run around with a small character and do some stuff (this part looks almost like in those old "arpg"games). I feel really heroic while dual wielding my credit cards!

Vor 3 Monate
Jahodaseslehackou
Jahodaseslehackou

@Pontus I think I got the BiS weapons available at the moment, a platinum card in the main hand and a gold one in the off-hand, those things can work wonders in this game. It would be even better if Blizzard added an option to skip the hassle of running through the entire Rift to get your loot (for like 7201 Eternal Orbs, just so you are motivated to buy at least two carts of those at once). I mean, when I pay this much for a game, I fully expect to be able to skip as much of it as possible.

Vor 3 Monate
Pontus
Pontus

If your shopping sessions are interrupted you're obviously not very good at wielding your cards. Are they even legendary?

Vor 3 Monate
Ivaylo Ivanov
Ivaylo Ivanov

more like a online casino masked as a RPG game

Vor 3 Monate
Stalkingwolf
Stalkingwolf

yes thats it. it felt like an multiple hour long shop tutorial.

Vor 3 Monate
SoulCrystal
SoulCrystal

I played Diablo Immortal for maybe 5 days. My initial desire was just "don't spend money, play for the story". But the PC controls were so bad for me that eventually I realized "I don't care about the story because I'm not having fun playing the game." And I haven't logged in since. Maybe if they fix the PC controls I'll give it another try, but I'll always be a free player. I already have a mobile game that I put money into, and its eons better than how DI functions.

Vor 3 Monate
dalton miller
dalton miller

Becoming the first person on earth to actually figure out how to alchemize lead into gold sounds easier than learning the currency system in this game.

Vor 3 Monate
Gerbo
Gerbo

Thank you for making this review, I feel like I understand the predatory loop of pay to win games a bit better. I'm amazed and frustrated by how insidious it can get, and that those are resources spent making the game actively worse for players.

Vor 11 Tage
Gabriel Amorim
Gabriel Amorim

This video is exactly what I was looking for. A long, amazingly done, detailed deep dive on this game's monetization issues. It's the first vid I've watched from you and I'm already subbed. Congrats for the great content.

Vor Monat
Blippedy Blop
Blippedy Blop

Just remember, folks. Blizzard spent a great deal of time researching this, no doubt hiring teams to best exploit psychological techniques to fool you into parting with your cash.

Vor 3 Monate
Nicola Pelos
Nicola Pelos

You just discovered what a capitalistic economic system is?

Vor 14 Tage
Hello Neighbour
Hello Neighbour

@RAUS music doesnt matter, statistically speaking a lot of people will

Vor 3 Monate
Jonas Eriksson
Jonas Eriksson

Exploiting psychological techniques has been a core part of almost every big title game, most of the time to keep you playing the game. It's not a new evil technique unique to Blizzard.

Vor 3 Monate
Jonathan
Jonathan

@woke npc #AI2866 same for me however there is now a generation of gamers that has that since the start so it's normalized.

Vor 3 Monate
woke npc #AI2866
woke npc #AI2866

@Jonathan Tbh anyone who unironically games on their phone and even spends money for gems and stuff.. just makes me laugh. Paying for in-game stuff is a stretch even in pc games, but at least you get good mechanics, graphics and controls. 'Mobile gaming' lol...

Vor 3 Monate
Sarina T
Sarina T

I remember how decadent I felt back in the day when I bought my very first in-game item ever: Trang Oul's scales, the last piece I needed for my full Trang's set in D2. I was almost embarrassed to admit it to my friends. Oh how far we have come :/

Vor 2 Monate
Femaiden
Femaiden

Lead Programmer : "so, which of the many various monetization schemes that the other mobiles games use do you want us to use in this new mobile game we are making?" Top Exec : "Yes"

Vor 3 Monate
J Stewart
J Stewart

The amount of thought that went into monetizing this game is staggering. At every level of gameplay is laced with the threads of greed.

Vor 3 Monate
Jayson Cronly
Jayson Cronly

my younger brother is both a long time diablo fan and a person who cant control his impulse spending in shitty mobile games. hes gotten himself into legit serious financial trouble in the past. after watching this i will try my best to keep him away from this game. thanks for the upload

Vor 3 Monate
S R
S R

This game is a masterpiece, The entire theme of Diablo is Hellish, suffering, misery and hopeless loss. Blizzard have delivered exactly that. Just not how we expected.

Vor 3 Monate
Nightman9001
Nightman9001

Lmao great comment. I didn't see the punch line coming.

Vor 3 Monate
Maela 3st
Maela 3st

"No weapon can overcome the weakness of an undisciplined mind."

Vor 3 Monate
DaijDjan
DaijDjan

This take made me laugh - well done!^^

Vor 3 Monate
Gerry Reid
Gerry Reid

Very good so sad so true, and also sad

Vor 3 Monate
Cujo
Cujo

Indeed. They've taken the evil out of Diablo and put it in the monetisation system.

Vor 3 Monate
grzegorz ronkiewicz
grzegorz ronkiewicz

Great video. You should do more vids to expose these schemes in more games and how these predatory mechanics are spreading into other game types (sport, shooter etc.) and PEGI and ESRB did nothing about it. This type of vids is what we need to show our goverments when trying to law regulate this games.

Vor 2 Monate
Ty
Ty

The depth of the manipulative design, how they're optimizing the methods to subvert our natural cognitive processes to prompt payment, is staggering. This direction is to treat humans as a platform to create a pure consumer, to optimize the extraction of money from. Thank you for the video. It's a worthwhile checkpoint into the state of the gaming culture at this moment.

Vor 2 Monate
Disruptive_Innovator
Disruptive_Innovator

"Well I'm having fun." Addicts also say this. Having fun does not mean the mode of experiencing fun is ethical, moral or good in the long term for you or others.

Vor 3 Monate
Nicola Pelos
Nicola Pelos

@skep capitalism Is a pit of unethical behaviours. I'm quite in with It. And i fight It activelly since i was very young. But i think Is a topic way bigger and Is not the Place to talk It here

Vor 12 Tage
skep
skep

@Nicola Pelos does that mean it's ethically okay for developers to add predatory microtransactions? Not at all lol

Vor 13 Tage
Nicola Pelos
Nicola Pelos

I don't care about your moral. I had a lot of fun with drugs. And i never been addicted to any but from cigarets. If you can't control your impulse that's Just your foult. Ethic is obviously something you don't understand so please before to talk about again read some philosophy book.

Vor 14 Tage
Zandro Cerda
Zandro Cerda

I was considering playing this game but thanks to you so scared to be "hooked" to processing this game. It is a beautiful and nostalgic game but its the hook to make you prey to the payment scheme so littered in the game.

Vor 3 Monate
Froudini
Froudini

Thanks for creating awareness around these incredibly cynical piece of garbage systems. Showed this to a friend who deleted the game, even though he didn't spend any money yet. In the grand scheme it's not much but it's all we can do. Just vote with our wallets and boycott predatory crap like this.

Vor 3 Monate
Armstrong Canon
Armstrong Canon

That's a weird username. NOK 100? Lmao.

Vor 3 Monate
DavidJCobb
DavidJCobb

if anyone else doesnt feel like looking it up: NOK are Norwegian currency. basically the same as a dime in American currency.

Vor 3 Monate
Miraqen
Miraqen

@Derek J yup, you should totally delete system 32 on your pc, it's usually the main issue.

Vor 3 Monate
Froudini
Froudini

@Derek J It's because I donated to the channel with that message, it gets highlighted.

Vor 3 Monate
GentlemanDemon
GentlemanDemon

throughout the video, I saw parallels to the one mobile game I do actually play on the regular, which is MTG Arena. Some of the comparisons were unflattering to Arena, but the ways Diablo Immortal goes above and beyond really make Arena look downright ethical.

Vor 2 Monate
Mediados
Mediados

This game has such manipulative sale systems, it's almost admirable how professional the person behnd this was. If they didn't sell out their morals, that is.

Vor 2 Monate
Masta Mozed
Masta Mozed

Random Gaming compagny meeting with Designers : ok guys how do we make our game fun ? Blizzard Designers meeting : ok guys how do we avoid the law on lootboxes ?

Vor 3 Monate
ASGARD147
ASGARD147

8:09 goddam Man, that's a way to sum up 25 years of a franchise, freakin' accurate too! Also I'm a big Diablo fan, and enjoyed immortal quite a bit, but gotta agree with most of what you said, specially when there are people out there with legitimate mental health issues and gambling addiction. Great video.

Vor Tag
Bangor MC 3rd
Bangor MC 3rd

People defending Diablo Immortal because the gameplay is solid are like fish defending the fishing hook because the bait is tasty.

Vor 3 Monate
Nightman9001
Nightman9001

@ManGrieves There's literally a dude just below you defending it lol. They never come up with any good points though, because there ARE none; There's a reason literally no other industry operates this way... Either because it's illegal, or it would never fly. Blows my mind to see people begging to get bent over and buttfucked by their favorite corporate abusers. I'm usually the first guy to defend a business's prerogative to make a healthy profit but this goes beyond making profit, with the deceptiveness and other predatory tactics.

Vor 3 Monate
dylan351321
dylan351321

@Angel Yushirou hope they are paying you well to say this game isn’t a bad f2p model lmaooo there is no defending a company that would willingly choose to design a f2p predatory model over a one time payment for a game. The only reason they would make that decision, is to profit off the very fan base that has built them up to the point they are at today. Worse yet, they’ve used that reputation built up for decades to sell this money making scheme called a game. They didn’t have to make the game so predatory with micro transactions. I hope blizzard is happy with the money they make, but that they know they are now just another washed up titan from the past clinging on to any good faith they’ve garnered, in order to put out money making simulators. No longer producing works of art through video games, but producing financial black holes. Absolutely disgusting.

Vor 3 Monate
Ortah
Ortah

@Angel Yushirou A game doesn't need to give a whale a big advantage over an f2p to be well monetized. And no, It's not one of the most f2p friendly games due to it's monetization style being the difference between a house cat and a bear when compared to other free games.

Vor 3 Monate
Inojin67
Inojin67

@Angel Yushirou As the guy at Bellular News says, the gameplay of the initial few hours is good BECAUSE they are trying their damnedest to lure you into a trap of predatory monetization later in the game

Vor 3 Monate
Angel Yushirou
Angel Yushirou

The gameplay is good. The monetization system is bad because it doesn't give you anything very good over a f2p player : - Legendary gems doesn't give a huge powerlevel increase (about 5% increase for people spending under 200$) - Legendary gems doesn't have visual "qualities" : compare one little shiny rock to actual characters with a whole "design" - The "icebreaker" is lame : it gives a very small amount of market currency (can't buy anything) and a shit cosmetic, so the icebreaker effect is about giving the idea to the player that it's actually not worth to spend money - One time packs : are lame too and doesn't give anything good too - Whales can be wrecked even if you are a f2p player : it's "bad" because whales don't want to deal with weakness, they just want to roll over everyone. Especially in PvP mode in a mobile game. This game is actually one of the most f2p friendly mobile game on the market for all those reasons. And I would add that complaining about not being "competitive" in a mobile game, and more precisely in mobile PvP game mode... is dumb by design. If you want to feel "competitive", you don't want to be on a mobile game firstly.

Vor 3 Monate
Eldin
Eldin

This was legitimately one of the best pieces of journalism I have ever seen.

Vor 3 Monate
Table
Table

Watching all of those people in the global chat that were either hear no evil, see no evil or actively strawmanning for Blizzard were in such a sad state to observe. Watching people act like malicious temptation, social engineering and predatory psychology don't exist is such a fundamentally depressing prospect, and equally draining to try and instill as concepts.

Vor 2 Monate
Jhorman Gomez
Jhorman Gomez

Absolutely useful review of this game, where can I learned more of this psychological traps?

Vor 3 Monate
Dylan Smith
Dylan Smith

I did a calculation on asmondgolds reaction to this video describing how much moeny you would have to spend in a year with just 1 hour of gameplay every single day withing that year. Not buying everything such as cosmetics or unnecessary farming items just the grinding of a character. it came to roughly $107,115 USD a year and that is only if there are 4 seasons of battle pass in a year, and not even including the limited time offer packages either because that cannot be predicted. that is just the farming cost for attaining maximum loot chance for things you may not even want to get.

Vor 2 Monate
CHEFPK
CHEFPK

The putting 3 legendary crests and being prompted to add 7 more for a total of 10 is right out of Las Vegas slot machines. Why spend $2 on a crap bet when you can spend $10 on the ULTRA MAX BET?

Vor 3 Monate
Aquillius Ranger
Aquillius Ranger

The difference is that when you win a bet in a casino, you win big and go home big. You have NOTHING in an online video game, you won NOTHING in a digital world except losing your money and your “property” to a GaaS model.

Vor 3 Monate
Edgar Zubarev
Edgar Zubarev

In las vegas your reward is cash, in diablo empty pixels

Vor 3 Monate
Paul Maynard
Paul Maynard

The big payouts and the jackpots are always locked behind pressing max bet too

Vor 3 Monate
Diablo The Cheater
Diablo The Cheater

@JamesT That is the reason there is a need for legislation, and not legislation in one country, but at the very least in the USA, Canada, EU countries, Japan and South Korea.

Vor 3 Monate
JamesT
JamesT

@TaZeR People have Always known. Companies have been getting called out for increasingly predatory practices for years and yet they keep doing it because the money keeps coming. Doesn't matter if most people hate it. If the few that enjoy it out spend everyone else then they're the people gaming companies will cater to. Which is exactly what we're seeing. Edit: let me rephrase that. If the gambling addicts these companies purposely exploit* outspend everyone else then they're the people gaming companies will cater to.

Vor 3 Monate
p3lb0x
p3lb0x

I find it bizarrely intriguing that people worked really hard on creating a good game, only to have it fucked to death by greedy mobile gaming fuckery.

Vor 3 Monate
Sn00ze
Sn00ze

What is truly mind-boggling is that there are still people giving money to Blizzard out there.

Vor Monat
Sieg fried
Sieg fried

I remember having enough legendaries such that most of them were worthless in Diabo 3. This is just disappointing.

Vor 3 Monate
Kellyann Spiteri
Kellyann Spiteri

Thank you for the heads up. I was seriously thinking of giving this game a go but decided to look up a video on what it was all about when I came across your video. Definitely will steer way clear of this greediness.

Vor 3 Monate
Carnyzzle
Carnyzzle

What's fantastic is that this is exactly what we feared when blizzard announced a Diablo mobile game

Vor 3 Monate
Locutus von Borg
Locutus von Borg

@Kira Yoshikage that doesnt change anything iv written ...

Vor 3 Monate
Kira Yoshikage
Kira Yoshikage

@Locutus von Borg for the user to be cared about, the user first should learn how to take care of himself...

Vor 3 Monate
El Incognito
El Incognito

@Autobot Starscream Yep. I mean i was happy with the real money AH because i have no money and got some € back then :D. But yes D4 will have n open world and you see other players....like Immortal. I bet they even put in EXP Multipliers, Magic Find buffs and so on for money....get your monthly subscription of bonus buffs for everything....

Vor 3 Monate
aternia laffsalot
aternia laffsalot

Yep, people knew what was to come literally years in advance when it was first announced. Everyone complaining about this is like the single most epic circlejerk in internet history.

Vor 3 Monate
Autobot Starscream
Autobot Starscream

@El Incognito Remember when they did this to D3 at first? D4 is screwed at launch... 😬

Vor 3 Monate
phaiz
phaiz

I've been gaming since the early 90s and it's become rather apparent in the past 5-10 years that the golden age of gaming is dead and buried. I mean even mobile games were really good in the late 2000s. It's a little sad knowing that a lot of people just won't get to experience what gaming used to be like.

Vor 3 Monate
Russell Long
Russell Long

Same here, ive been going back to my older consoles and im more fun okaying ps1/ps2/n64 etc games then practically anything released these days

Vor 2 Monate
Gilambesh
Gilambesh

I was in the room when the booing for immortal happened. The recordings were edited as it was so much louder in person.

Vor 2 Monate
Ac1dG0d Custom Doom mod mapper
Ac1dG0d Custom Doom mod mapper

DUDE! YOU *NAILED* IT LIKE SO FUCKIN HARD! I couldn't imagine a more well compiled, better put together video than this, you're a fuckin *GENIUS!*

Vor 3 Monate
SteveAkaGoatpile
SteveAkaGoatpile

Thank you, Josh strife Hayes, for covering this travesty and revealing it for all to see. this is absolutely disgusting.

Vor 2 Monate
monkinator
monkinator

my jaw dropped when you said that these microtransactions were PER CHARACTER. I already thought it was bad but that is just preposterous. I cannot believe Blizzard took one of the greatest franchises in gaming and ruined it.

Vor 3 Monate
Jan Elan Testaverde
Jan Elan Testaverde

@n0odles86 I never said that? :D Look, there is a difference between having some microtransactions in the game and the stuff Diablo Immortal is doing.

Vor 2 Monate
n0odles86
n0odles86

@Jan Elan Testaverde you really think D4 will be free of microtransactions? 😂 😂 Hey, I've got some bottled air to sell you.

Vor 2 Monate
n0odles86
n0odles86

@vespyr they haven't been for decades. If you haven't caught up with their practices over the last decade at least, you're blind as a bat.

Vor 2 Monate
n0odles86
n0odles86

I can. Blizzard started going downhill with WoW.

Vor 2 Monate
Many Walks of Life
Many Walks of Life

they did it to wow and Warcraft i mean its just the norm now

Vor 3 Monate
Nobody
Nobody

It's so disappointing to see how such a good game for mobile, maybe the best is ruined by greedy companies.

Vor 3 Monate
madrox2682
madrox2682

I have spent alot of time researching abusive game mechanic and still to this day the greed still leaves me floored

Vor Monat
Harvey Bluntman
Harvey Bluntman

this is kind of infuriating tbh, but also its nice to have these techniques explained to me like i'm a 3rd grader. theres some really simple shit i've fallen for thinking i was being all smart about it. thank you for this video

Vor Monat
Tara Belle
Tara Belle

"none of us wake up expecting to get choked by a death mage but sometimes you get lucky and it happens" 12:04

Vor 23 Tage
Brian Viktor
Brian Viktor

It started with "don't you guys have phones?!" - what did you expect? Well, to be fair, I didn't expect it to be that insanely predatory and usurious.

Vor 3 Monate
Reva Diaz Airlangga
Reva Diaz Airlangga

I'm actually surprised that this out of season April fools joke game got released.

Vor 3 Monate
Volker xD
Volker xD

@Phil Field surprising it's not worse tbh not saying it's good but it's Activision when it comes to the big AAA expect the worse you can think than triple that and you might be close this is why I like AA instead think hellblade and others like it in terms of quality they care about making a game

Vor 3 Monate
Phil Field
Phil Field

@Volker xD We all knew it would probably be this. Well not this bad, since nothing has ever been this bad. But a part of me wished, Blizzard actually tried to understand the bad feedback.

Vor 3 Monate
Volker xD
Volker xD

I did I have no clue why this games monetisation shocks anyone

Vor 3 Monate
Padge Vounder
Padge Vounder

Don't you guys have lootboxes?

Vor 3 Monate
Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

I just subscribed because of this video. Your analysis is though provoking, eye opening and very informative. (I was never going to play this game). To hear about the per character mess omg they are greedy!

Vor 3 Monate
Angrybirds neyugn
Angrybirds neyugn

Very well explained. And there I was complaining that D3 was bad. (I stopped playing D3 after 3 months btw)

Vor 3 Monate
Alex Rose
Alex Rose

Damn, you'rea absolutely right, the OLD Blizzard would NEVER have done this to Diablo; it runs counter to thier whole original design ethic (bar maybe ripping off other peoples designs but thats another story). This is truly a sign, along with the decline of WoW/Overwatch that Blizzard is truly not the studio so many of us grew up loving. Many years ago, I was invited to visit Blizzard's HQ in California, and much as part of me would still love to go; in a way it is good I didn't, because I think I would have been even more dissapointed at how far the developer has fallen since merging. This really is not old Blizzard, just someone else wearing it's skin.

Vor Monat
Petr Neuman
Petr Neuman

Great video. I am amazed by the audacity of the design behind this game. wow

Vor Monat
Andy McDougall
Andy McDougall

It saddens me that we now essentially have a generation of young gamers who have grown up with this type of manipulative monetisation as the norm. Gaming was such an important and enjoyable part of my childhood and I don’t see how young people today can enjoy it as a hobby in the same way I was able to given the route the industry has gone.

Vor 3 Monate
Aquillius Ranger
Aquillius Ranger

This is the age of Narcissism by the way, zoomers might as well be called zombies at this point for accepting this sort of method of eating their own brains out for a quick snack. Because you know, it’s gonna be *addicting as hell*

Vor 3 Monate
M̶e̶t̶a̶-̶P̶o̶s̶t̶m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶n̶
 M̶e̶t̶a̶-̶P̶o̶s̶t̶m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶n̶

​@Romero That's not what made arcade games predatory. Some arcade games were predatory on the basis of whether they incorporated gambling. Arcade games with computational gambling involved predetermined outcomes with undisclosed and unfavorable odds. But if your comparing a) regular pay to play arcade games that have "unfair" mechanics, which simply required some combination of memory and motor reflex to excel to b) games like Diablo Immoral that are F2P, pay-for-power, & pay-for-convenience with gambling, psychologically evil UI design, etc., it is an entirely different ball game. One is waaaaaaaay worse than the other.

Vor 3 Monate
Romero
Romero

@ M̶e̶t̶a̶-̶P̶o̶s̶t̶m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶n̶ except with the arcade games it wasn’t “short bursts”. It’s “oh I almost got to that level but I almost died, let me try again” [insert 25c] “oh wow I didn’t do this well this time, but I know how well I did last time and I got it now” [insert 25c] etc. The comparison isn’t that far off, it’s just the value that’s different. Nowadays they ask players to spend sometimes thousands of dollars, especially in Western games who try to copy the gacha model. Every western game I’ve seen like this expects everyone to pay a ton of money whereas most gacha games only try to make money of off .0001% of their fan base. It may very depending on the game, but the one’s I’ve played have been like that. Both are still very predatory though just to be clear. Diablo Immortal sounds like gacha on a combination of m*th, cr@ck, and st3roids lmao In terms of industry abuse and crunch that has *always* been a thing. We’re only learning about it now because we have increased access to information. California literally created exceptions in their laws specifically for tech workers. In 2004 there was a survey and it found that 97% of developers worked overtime and over half of them weren’t compensated for it. It’s actually gotten better since then, but it’s still a massive problem. There are also examples of f2p companies that treat their employees really well relative to the rest of the tech industry and even a few that treat them well in general. A good example of this is Mihoyo who make Genshin Impact and Honkai Impact. They have 5 day work weeks, 2 hour lunch breaks, and great benefits. I’ve heard it can be harder for newer employees, but that may be because they don’t know what other tech companies are like. It’s still not great compared to an ideal job, but their positions are highly coveted in China. But it’s nowhere near how horrible it is to work at, for example, Blizzard.

Vor 3 Monate
M̶e̶t̶a̶-̶P̶o̶s̶t̶m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶n̶
 M̶e̶t̶a̶-̶P̶o̶s̶t̶m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶n̶

@Random Bencounter Also the fact that this comparison seems valid to you just shows the depth to which you are unaware of industry malpractice. Never before have developers been physically abused, underpaid, overworked, taxes avoided, wages stolen, predatory lootbox practices implemented to the point of being banned, etc., to this degree. The model for arcade games is a false equivalence and really doesn't equal in measure the level of anti-consumer corruption that runs rampant today.

Vor 3 Monate
Iron Bridge
Iron Bridge

I’ve been playing completely campaign based so far, haven’t spent a dime and sure it’s a bit grind-y but I get there eventually. Didn’t even hear about all the horrible stuff to do with the game till a few weeks ago and I’ll admit they are suspiciously pay-to-win like, and I still won’t be paying any money lol. Thanks for pointing out it can actually be fun with ought the needless money grabbing and isn’t a complete dumpster fire xD

Vor 3 Monate
Sariya Katsuo
Sariya Katsuo

Hey i wanna say thank you for such an in depth view without spoiling story. You've done a wonderful showcase of how predatory it can be while also showing fun

Vor 3 Monate
Ultroman the Tacoman
Ultroman the Tacoman

28:17 I hope you don't expect drops like that from all bosses in Diablo games. 7-10 legendaries or whatever that was? Drops were never very good in the other games. A couple of blues, 1-2 low-level legendaries and once in a while something useful. It's just the contrast between the P2W and F2P experiences that's staggering. These F2P drop rates are too low for me, but I'm not interested in loot fountains of legendaries, either. Then they aren't legendary anymore, and you know there'll just be more tiers coming when it's this "emergent game-pay" system. #NotMyDollar

Vor 3 Monate
Khaeu Griefshade
Khaeu Griefshade

Just wanted to say thank you for the video. The level of ire in your voice near the end really captured the frustration of the direction of the games industry and how manipulative it has become. I feel really lucky to have been born in a generation before loot boxes and can recognize what acceptable game design looks like. I can't imagine what the market is gunna look like in ten years time. The only joy I have is that there are plenty of old titles I can fall back on that don't exploit the player out of their hard earned money like this.

Vor Monat
Jamie Last
Jamie Last

It probably goes without saying, but this is only a portion of the overall industry. Go smaller and you still have recent releases that are just fantastic. Indie gaming is pretty much the only part of the industry that hasn't devolved into this greedy bullshit.

Vor 9 Tage
Northern Wind
Northern Wind

Best game ever made with the best game system of all time. Truly a masterpiece, Diabillion/10 even brought to you by the Legendary Wyattblo Chengmortal "Don't you have credit cards?" Recommended for everyone. My favorite part of the game is where they all say "It's Diablin time" then swipe that credit card for a Diabillin experience. My heart is full and my soul renewed

Vor 3 Monate
davoodinator
davoodinator

Diaballin . You got me. Top comment

Vor 3 Monate
Long Nguyễn
Long Nguyễn

Ever wonder why the protagonist of D1 tried to smack a rock into his head? He didn't want to be a part of Diablo immortal so he was trying to kill himself

Vor 3 Monate
Qaztim Eleven
Qaztim Eleven

@Jede Off after the morbius meme died, the morbers were freed to morb anywhere they desired its diablin time now boys!

Vor 3 Monate
Morgan Dulaney
Morgan Dulaney

Ah yes, the confirmation bias guy, miss the part where Josh says that it's a great game without all the money mechanics?

Vor 3 Monate
C. Tang
C. Tang

Truly one of the game systems of all time

Vor 3 Monate
Zustand Zwei
Zustand Zwei

This video finally made me delete the game from my phone. Thanks for saving me from falling victim to those foul tactics.

Vor 3 Monate
Nick C
Nick C

This is the most outstanding, articulate and comprehensive demolition of this game on yt.

Vor 3 Monate
Mark Eppley
Mark Eppley

I feel like so many of the things said in this video can also be said about halo infinite. On the surface for the casual person who pops on for no more than a few hours each week it's fun and addictive game. But for the hardcore passionate long-time fans it's a superficial half-baked cash grab that's monetized to death and is slowly killing a beloved franchise

Vor 3 Monate
Jay Maverick
Jay Maverick

The "well I'm having fun" attitude is the worst form of denial. They know the game is predatory, but they don't want to hear it because they're desperate to enjoy the game.

Vor 3 Monate
Unbenttomcat
Unbenttomcat

They have literally built in every single predatory tactic I've seen in any mobile game I've played and dropped due to their predatory tactics. Gatcha 10 pulls and their premium conversion prices. Battle passes with paid tiers. Login reward enhancements that are lost if you don't get on. "Free" claimable stuff in the premium shop to gateway you. Each of these mechanics have varying types of abuse. They have taken all of them to the most abusive and predatory level they can.

Vor 3 Monate
allthatishere
allthatishere

I played quite a few mobile games myself over the last five years, and alot of mobile games have a free and paid tier for battlepasses, but this is the first time I've seen a *PAID+* battlepass!! Like, wut?? This is greed given form here.

Vor 3 Monate
ParanormalBoy
ParanormalBoy

boy, play a little less especially mobile games but you're right

Vor 3 Monate
Knut Erthal
Knut Erthal

@MrMeddyman Reminds me of people getting mobbed online, fools and their smartphones... a generation of victims crying

Vor 3 Monate
MrMeddyman
MrMeddyman

A fool and his money....

Vor 3 Monate
Rossco101
Rossco101

Looking at the orb pack numbers again, no one will ever buy the 315 pack or the 630 pack if they ever plan on buying crests with those orbs. Because exactly as you said, you only need 5, then only 10. So you’re forced to buy 3 individual packs of 60 to get 1 crest, or buy the 1650 pack to get crests. One is a small purchase they can get you to make all the time, the other pays for everything the moment you buy it once, so even if you never pay again, they got what they wanted out of you. Most micro transaction stuffed games use the “extra” bonus currency they give you to encourage you to buy again since you’ll have extra sitting around that you can’t spend, but you did buy. This game does the even worse thing by making the “bonus” currency slightly below what you would actually want for those low/mid purchase packs. Which is just even more insidious because it entirely pushes you to buy the mid/large pack.

Vor 3 Monate
Juao Pedro Guimaraes
Juao Pedro Guimaraes

Josh, I would like to recommend you to play Spiral Knights and make a video of the worst MMO ever. It's a game that I like very much, but I foresaw that the game was going to be pay to win to at least some degree, so I stopped playing it. Thank you for your very good content, I'd like to help you with your patreon, but you see, Brazil's currency isn't that good.

Vor 3 Monate
Michael Rohan
Michael Rohan

It's so nice that Blizzard with all of its expertise, funds, brand status used all of these things to implement world leading predatory practices in the industry, an evolution from just merely making great products for its fans.

Vor 11 Tage
Steve -
Steve -

I'm glad I grew up in the golden age of Blizzard (starting with the original Diablo). I've never bought a game with that loot box rubbish and never will.

Vor 3 Monate
Hehz
Hehz

Diablo 3 was my first ever computer game, my grandma introduced me to it (and power leveled me every single season). Sucks that blizzard is doing stuff like this with their monitization.

Vor 6 Tage
Scorched Beaver
Scorched Beaver

Its insane how good the gamer community is at finding bs in video games. Wanna rip us off well a handful of us will get down to the dollar almost on the nonsense.

Vor 3 Monate
May
May

Really brilliant video. Honestly I'm hearing a little fragment of the spirit of total biscuit in your discussion - and that's really like bringing a little piece of my teenage years back - so thankyou.

Vor 3 Monate
h2ojr1
h2ojr1

I'm glad I found someone who acknowledges that underneath all the predatory lootboxes, RNG purchases, convoluted currency system, and pandering to whales, it's actually a pretty good free game on mobile.......underneath all that other stuff.

Vor 3 Monate
Liyern
Liyern

It's so sad to see. I remember the day when I went out buying Diablo 2 with a group of friends back in 2000, we had to all get written permission from our parents to buy it cause it was a 18+ rated game (we were all around the age of 11-12) where we lived. I've enjoyed that game off and on for 19 years and experienced everything that game had to offer over and over again and it never got bored for me. I spent 50 bucks and never a dime more on a game that gave me 19 years of playtime, and full access to all of it's features from the start, never asking me for more. What the hell has happened

Vor 3 Monate
Ragreff
Ragreff

@aaa this shit is out of hand for sure. We are past micro transactions. We're gentting into the realm of macrotransactions or rather gigatransactions.

Vor 3 Monate
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aaa

@N8 PLS You can't shove money in an arcade machine fast enough to compete with this shit. Paying for play time isn't so different from what we do when we buy a game, or play on a subscription model.

Vor 3 Monate
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@Ragreff I look forward to a future where every man who so much as wears a 3-piece suit is a target, just like those officers in the Vietnam war who stood out from the common soldiers.

Vor 3 Monate
N8 PLS
N8 PLS

We've returned to the arcade days of "Please insert coin."

Vor 3 Monate
Krak Head
Krak Head

Now you get Diablo for FREE and can play with your mates ANYWHERE , ANYTIME. If I told you in the 90s this you would be very happy.

Vor 3 Monate
Jarl Knudsen
Jarl Knudsen

This is the problem with having a financialized economy. Blizzard began with passionate College Bros making high quality games, but it was bought out by big capital and manipulated into the monstrosity that it is today. Big Capital corrupts everything it touches.

Vor Monat
Mushmoor
Mushmoor

Sadly it doesn't matter how justified the critique is or how low the user score on the game gets as long as they're raking in the money, this will only become worse and every new iteration will be an exercise in "what can we get away with this time?" Great video tho and thank you for the work you put into this, as long as we stand together there might be a fighting chance for humanity

Vor 3 Monate
Aren
Aren

I love the depth of your analysis! Please keep fighting the good fight!

Vor 2 Monate
Emory
Emory

This is interesting. I played a phone MMORPG called Dragon Raja. It was kind of bad, but I ended up making friends, so I played for like six months. I only quit because my friends did. But yeah, the constant confusing dailies menus, push to pay, grind to level up, daily clan/guild events, it's all designed to keep players addicted. I found myself doing dailies and feeling like it was a chore more than anything

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