Awesome video cam, brought back awesome memories. I can confirm this is all factually correct. 3 seat 3rd VIII ‘97

Do you know the last name of Stephan?

@Lerotron hahaha i did catch a few crabs from time to time

*inserts 3rd seat jokes* On a serious note, congrats.

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Having been a professional rowing coach for 20+ years I must say his approach is pretty normal in rowing. These days most coaches do put in some higher intensity work in the early part of the season but most will be foundation. Technique is one reason for that, it is much easier to work on skill at a lower stroke rate. Similar to learning how to work before you start to run. If you have not rowed before it is difficult to appreciate how technical the sport is but being fit and strong means nothing if you cannot row well. Or in other words, a crew going 10 centimetres further per stroke due to superior skill will easily beat most crews which will be physically superior.

Yeah I sometimes here some of the older coaches talking about how power is everything in rowing. Well we saw how that turned out for Washington against Brookes.

@Matthias Wuest Each coach has their own approach and we all think we know best, which is a problem. I try to look at science and best practices and as a result I like to think that I know best :)

Glad to hear that changes are happening. But I started to row at undergrad in 2014 and winter season was 2 heavy lifts, 4 hard intervals sessions on ergs, and 1-2 easier ergs per week + cross training. Recipe for disaster. Moved on to club rowing after graduation and things were much more balanced / periodized. I still get the feeling that many rowing programs are very old school, row until you drop. At least compared to some other sports.

Same in Sprint Kayak.

I started rowing at the age of 20 in '97, and all the training was as per your 3rd eight's training. Jurgen Grobler, from East Germany, became the British rowing coach in '91 and his influence changed how rowers in the UK trained as a result.

Interesting to hear Colin, thanks for sharing on the thread

This is my favorite kind of story. So wonderful to hear about people who are committed to truth rather than other peoples opinions. Where did Stefan go from there?

Stefan was recently coach at The Cathedral School in townsville, NQ, its crazy to hear this story about him!

I'm not sure, if this has become the standard since then or if it already was, but here in Germany this is the "normal" way to train (in rowing). In fact, our regattas early in the year are at a 6k distance, as opposed to the normal 2k, because everybody is training with long sessions and long efforts, so the 6k is better at determining who will be better

Same in Spain, long distance regattas in winter and 2K in spring/summer.

In aus it is also how we train now

Hope everyone is doing well out there. As part of sharing this story I though it would be awesome to have Stephan on, to interview him about this 1997 experience. I tried everything I could, including tracking him down and messaging over Facebook, but unfortunately to no avail. If this video somehow finds its way too him, I'd love to do a follow up discussion on this topic! Cheers, Cam

@Road Cycling Academy ​@UCWBzeAAP1LQkGuJURmKKdMg Yes, Stefan and a surname....I think if you crowd source this one of us would find him for you.

wonder if you spelled his first name right, sounds like you used English spelling. How about Stefan? Or even a last name?

Probably had enough of Bogans. As an import myself (from, '65, ex-Africa, minus 77-87, in Canada) I can tell you they are tiring. Get a professional career to avoid them.

@Scotch & Soda nope. The boat carries the weight, and the rowers provide the power. Picture a tow path on a canal, where a single donkey could tow a whole barge. Weight matters in rowing if you have bad technique, because it’s worse to have 110 kilos crashing around than 75, but a 110 kilo rower with solid technical skills beats the lightie almost every time.

@Scotch & Soda rowing is generally pretty opposite to cycling in regards to weight - heavier is better (to an extent)

My junior rowing coaches followed the same training as your German coach. All base early then high intensity later. They didn't care about early races they wanted us at our fastest late in the season for nationals and stotesbury cup. And you know what they got results.

Old rower here. What Stephan achieved was 1. superior capillary sprouting within muscle tissue. This means rate of O2 delivery and CO2 removal from muscle was superior. Further, heart muscle hypertrophy is dependent on venous return rate. With more capillaries within the working muscle of rowing, venous return would be higher than by other training methods. Higher venous return= higher cardiac output. So Stephan achieved a higher lactate thresholds via his training. Doing HIIT most of the time does not sprout muscle capillaries as efficiently. 2. Further, with denser capillary networks within muscle, recovery rate is higher. 3. higher volumes of HIIT damages tissue more, so recovery demands are higher, ergo slower. Through a season with heavy HIIT training, the body is spending more time in distress, with weakened immune system and other fatigue factors. Essentially, volume of blood delivered to working muscle is underrated by hot heads.

@helicart no but better technique likely made them successful at the end, allowing them to maximise the benefits of physical training. And cam only focussed on the latter

​@Cycling Sfatsuma - Every serious competitor focuses on technique, otherwise it is junk training. - Was it better technique that made Stephan's crews uncompetitive at the beginning of the season?

He also focused on technique. My coach always talked about unconscious competence, because when you have upped your rate to +40spm for the last few hundred you just want everything to happen automatically

So basically to improve endurance it all comes down to lactate threshold and endurance ride. Scientific literature supports this for masters athletes since vo2 is genetic limiter. In laymans term, train super easy or super hard plus technique work and periodization and resistance training. But then youtuber coach try to complicate these proven methods time and time again. Marketing sells coaching plan.

Stephan, I have a feeling that he may have just left coaching at The Cathedral School in Townsville, the school has been a powerhouse for years under his coaching. Hope this helps you track him down.

Thanks for sharing that. Quite an arc to that story with everyone questioning his methods before the final races. It could almost be a book or a movie script.

There's no doubt that a few Stephan's have been sacked before the coup de grace could be delivered. Sacking coaches has become its own sport these days.

Absolutely, made me think of "Hoosiers" with Gene Hackman.

Yes, I get goosebumps sometimes sharing the story! Stick to your guns. Cheers, Cam

Had a similar experience in UK but our school vs. others, instead of intra-club. A lot was learnt from Czech and E German approaches so maybe that’swhere Stephan learnt it from.

Great video. Like a couple of others on here, I have similar experiences when rowing at what is one of the UK’s most recognised rowing schools, during the late 80s/90s. 7-8 training sessions a week, competitions every weekend etc. It was absolutely the most enjoyable experience I’ve had from a sporting perspective. So professional despite only being 16/17/18 years of age. Our coaching staff comprised one Olympic Gold medalist and a number of GB coaches, so we learnt a huge amount. But it was interesting watching the growth of GB rowing under another (East) German, Jurgen Grobler, who brought so many of the techniques you mentioned to the British set up, and look where it went over the next 20 years culminating in 2012.

Nice to hear that a German coach helped your rowing team taking an approach that was different to all the others. That takes clever thinking, courage and confidence! I also live in another than my home continent and bringing some “unconventional” approach to the people here. And yes, that’s not always a winner, straight from day one.

Loved this story! I learned to coach this way several years ago at my student rowing club in Amsterdam and it has been the basis of our training programs throughout the years. By the time races start to matter, my crews were racing for medals :)...

Well, welcome to the club, I was sculling during these days as well, but on a skiff. Same week amount of training & effort, but rowing on a lake. Rowing, rowing and nothing else…These was the greatest years in my life! Greeting from Poland.

Because rowing has such a large technical component the approach of Stephan is actually pretty standard. There is little benefit in doing much threshold or lactate tolerance prior to the Christmas holidays. The 10 weeks prior would have been January rowing camp so some specific preparation to start develop race specific energy systems, as well as cognitive motor patterns and neural pathways would have commenced. I won’t go into why winning the 3rd eight is easy when you have good depth in your senior squad, which BGS clearly did at the time with three competitive senior crews. Because cycling does not have the same technical component I would be cautious in drawing too many inferences from your experience with Stephan. Miles do make champions but not junk miles. There needs to be purpose in the training modality and every session should be associated with a clear physiological stimulus and the appropriate amount of recovery to ensure the desired physiological adaptation. All I can say is that spending some time training at race pace is absolutely critical and rolling along with no purpose is just practicing going slowly….

@petor95 it depends at what level you are training. If you are an amateur rider training once per day then this is fine as you need to recover. The key is to ensure a level of specific preparation as you come into race season. I would also say that if one of your hard sessions can be in a competitive environment that would be ideal. Amateurs spend way too much time training and not enough time competing as you obviously learn skills that go beyond the physiological adaptation goals you may have

Yes but would you advise saving race pace/intervals for twice a week. And 'easy' endurance base building runs for the rest of the week?

another great video coach Cam! and you came out as a very good history teller! very engaging way to coach actually! ty for all the knowledge shared

Great video. Eric Murray also promotes the 80/20 approach. Build that engine with patience. You must have patience being a Crows supporter. Was Charlie Walsh involved in the Crows premierships?

As a teen I raced sprint race canoes. I was the smallest in my age group and my coach always said work on technique, work on cardio, the day will come when I had the muscles. When I had the muscle I also had the technique, I blew past everyone who previously beat me. I became known for my great endurance and everyone wanted to copy my technique. What that German coach was doing is what I still think is important in cycling. So important to have that base of cardio.

@David Hinkes I did get to Lake Placid twice, once as a friendly race between Canadian Junior National Development team (I was on) and the US National team back in the late 80's, probably the same year (86), as in 87 I raced at the worlds. Still have the silver medal I won in C-1 1000 meter. Second time I was coaching for Canadian juniors at an international regatta in the late 90's.

I remember watching the sprint canoe racers training on Mirror Lake in Lake Placid (technically it is in North Elba) while there for a USCF Cat 3 training/development camp (WAY back when they even gave a s**t about lower than Elite level riders) in 1986. They were impressive in their speed and power. ;) We stayed in one of the dorms used for/by the competitors in the 1980 Winter games.

The strategy sounds solid to me, and totally in line with the research of findings of folks like Stephen Seiler and Rob Sleamaker.

Love how you have a blinky light on your fly road bike! Thx for the story underscoring how the base training followed by peaking strategy can work.

Cheers Ron

Very interesting comments on the importance of form. It can be learned by spinning in easy gears. The faster the spin, the faster the heart rate and delivery system, ergo, a stronger aerobic base. It has everything to do with transferring strength from the fast twitch anaerobic muscle fibers to the slow twitch aerobic muscle fibers, the ones that go the distance. Stay on top of the gear at 90 rpm. When the going gets tough, no fast twitch jamming. Do purposeful, precise movements each muscle group following through in sequence, "on form," maximizing slow twitch aerobic fibers. Losing form is always the kiss of death. Never lose form. Notice the pros who stay on form are always the winners? In fast twitch excursions such as a sprint, they'll always outlast those who've already gone so far into anaerobic, they've lost their form.

Reminds me of my volleyball coaching (beginners, 11-12 year olds). I always focused on correct form rather than using tricks to win. We always did way better than expected in the playoffs! Not at this level, of course...

Great story. Thanks for sharing. From back in that era it wasn’t called 80/20 but early big base development and periodization focused a lot more. Particularly around the HR monitor and then power meter. For rowing was anyone using a HR monitor then?

Use of heart rate monitors by amateur cyclists and runners was widespread 10 years before the events he describes. I expect rowers of that era also knew about them.

@Matthew Thompson same here. I got my first HRM for my birthday my sophomore year at the UW in 1994, and trained with it through the end of my national team career through 2004. But maybe they weren’t common in prep school rowing at that time.

@Road Cycling Academy I was an elite oarsman in the late 90's / early 2000's and we trained using HR monitors.

No Robert, we didn't use them back then, although I know they're used now.

It works. Chris Carmichael was correct in his assertion: if you are already fit or have been an elite athlete HIT is the best choice for a workout program with minimal time to train. I understand that rowing is a bit different but in my own experience HIT will get me back to a high level pretty quickly.

what I find funny is how the high school coaches were berating someone that used to train a national team in probably the most competitive nation for rowing

Enjoyable story. I kept waiting for the punchline ... and Stefan went back to Germany and became head of rowing and his team won a boat load ( literally) of Olympic gold medals and World Titles .......

Really looks like all of the research is pointing towards this. As I age, I'm interested in serving the god of longevity over the god of performance so I like this approach.

My uncle won silver in the Empire games, (now Commonwealth). and the Kings Cup. Loved this vlog. Cyclist years ago, rode there training rides in a 66 inch gear at a steady pace. Their quality rides were the race itself

63-67 inches, winter, early months. Only exception was if temperature went over 50°s.

My problem with base load training is that when I go on long slow paced runs my heart rate is already up.in zone 3 when I have finished tying my shoe laces. And I'm not exaggerating either. My heart rate just never stays low enough for proper base load training. I would probably just have to walk to have e reasonably low heart rate, but my heart rate just tends to be high. So what can I do about that? I've been doing extrem multi sport endurance race of 24h and more the last 5 years, so I do have plenty of endurance, but I wonder if I could get better by training at low intensity somehow?

This story is a bit like the tortoise and the hare. Stefan the coach was right all along,build a good foundation ,strong walls before adding the roof (HIIT) !! Going too fast too often is a mistake early in prep . 80/20 0r 70/30 is about right. P.S ; I did rowing back in the 80's and had to gain a lot of muscle weight being the lightest on the squad. I used the Concept 2 in the gym. Switched to mtb in 1990 and road in 1996. These days I have a Water rower at home for cross training ,really good for core and all round condition.

Also interesting on this is Nils van der Poel who's aerobic base training is/was insane (and led him to world championship status ind skating): Interview with Stephen Seiler at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ76s-5_F70

God...having that many 8+s from a single school. Mine only ever managed one men's Novice 8+, a JV 4x, and a Varsity 4x. Sometimes with a Varsity 2x (usually the lightweights) if no one was out sick. I remember doing the numbers from my high school rowing time, and I literally had more days through the year on the water than days where I didn't row. And that's *not* counting winter conditioning in the gym. All of the coaches I had through that time (summer and fall were county programs, not individual schools, so coaches varied more) focused on technique first and foremost. With the logic that it's much easier for a technical boat to get strong, than for a boat relying on brute strength to get technical.

Great story. Thanks for sharing. I wonder what the German coach is doing now?

Isn't this rationale kind of aimed at peaking for an A Race. As you know in Australia we dont really have an off-season per se, it's the middle of winter and I'm racing crits in 8 degree weather! I try to "polarize" my training by racing once a week, which I more or less class as a HIIT sesdion, I'll then do two more HIIT sessions and everything else is zone 2

"Long and Strong" for building base fitness has been known in cycling forever. We've always called it LSD - Long Steady Distance.

Arthur Lydiard of New Zealand pioneered this approach in the 1960s with Peter Snell running 10 hours a week training for 800m and 1500m. It was then picked up by German rowing coached in the 1970s. Keeping lactate low during development to ensure a strong base so the body can focus on building lots of blood vessels throughout the muscle tissue. Then more strength training. Then interval training. Then race specific peaking. Very important for young athletes, high school and college. Everyone needs at least one coach like Stefan, early in their career.

Exactly, this is classic Arthur Lydiard.

Love the adaption from Rowing to Cycling RCA. Great stuff, keep up the good videos

I LOVE the 'physicality' of rowing, and how it can actually improve one's upper body and core strength (and yes quads/etc. in the legs as well) and endurance, for cycling. But it is a beautiful sport in it's own right as well, and one of the few I even bother to watch in the Summer Games besides track and field ('athletics' to many of you), and of course the road/TT and especially TRACK cycling. If I were wealthy, I would buy a single shell and go out on Lake Carnegie here in Princeton/Montgomery every chance I could get (or all of the Princeton, Rider, etc. crews would allow me to use 'their' facility). ;)

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Ah yes! Our proud rowing 8er. It's funny if you think about what sports we germans are good at or what - seemingly - can make the difference. One example would be ski cross-country. Not really good at it, but give us a gun on the back and call it Biathlon and we become world class. Or cycling. except some - doped - outliers, we are rather mediocre on a bicycle. But put one of us on a round racing track, going round and round and round and call it keirin or track, which the german word for is "verfolgung" as in persecution, and we will be a world class contender. The rowing 8er is special though, since it mirrors the german mindset almost perfectly and our deeply enbeded longing for strong leadership and the old glory days. There you have eight teutonic, hulking man, rowing with their backs towards where they are going undable to see ahead and ONE little man in the back, screaming at them and telling them where to go - we become unbeatable. and before some people reply to this with foam in the corners of their mouth in virtuous indignation , I shall add a *nudge nudge*

Great story, Cam!

Technique is so important, its about efficiency and minimum effort

Are you familiar with the training strategy of Nils van der Poel? He published his training schedule after winning Olympic Gold on the kings distance, 10 km. He focusses on low intensity base training for the better part of his sessions, by biking for hours at relatively low power. It sounds very similar to this coach Stefans ideas!

in the late '60s as a school boy athletics and harrier runner, we has Long Slow Distance as a new training method . LSD was much as you describe: build a base fitness without overtraining or injury, then add speed work later.

Hmmmm. In Western Australia we followed the same approach as the German coach on 1995/1997. Just shows that WA is much further ahead 🙃

Ah, another rower turned cyclist. Glad to see a fellow.

How was it that the kids from the 3rd and second boat didn’t make it up into the first boat? When I was rowing the coach was always switching us between boats mid practice until a week or two before the big race.

Where i row, once the boats are made there is no switching untill next season. No question about it

Great stuff! That is why the Norwegians rule Ironman now, with their heavy focus on polarised training principles. Cheers

Norwegians have dominated cross country skiing for a long time and they are making success in every endurance sport. There are top Norwegian athletes in road cycling, MTB, running, rowing, triathlon, orienteering and so on... 😄 I've read many sports studies from Norwegian universities mainly on different training methods. Highly recommend googling about it.

@Christiane Meiners this is just a discussion not an attack. I have seen Dylan’s videos on the subject and read a lot about polarised and pyramidal training all which has led me to believe that it is very much overstated how much polarised training is done by elite athletes. As I said before there is little objection that the vast amount of training is done at a low intensity with huge volumes being done by elite athletes but what is not thoroughly or accurately documented is what is done the rest of the time and it’s this time and the training intensity undertaken during this time which distinguishes polarised from pyramidal training models. The devil is in the details. Just because an athlete does 80% of their training at a low intensity does not mean they follow a polarised training model.

@Dustyn Butler great, then congratulations on you being right. Happy? However, Dylan Johnson e.g. has a couple of videos with studies on the topic of polarised training - maybe watch those too.

@Yannick Okpara yeah exactly. The term polarised training is thrown around a lot with very little understanding of what it means. I think far more pro triathletes, middle to long distance runners and cyclists are following a pyramidal training intensity structure then a polarised one. As you state measuring intensity is tricky and not agreed upon but it is the key component of what makes up training distribution.

@Dustyn Butler I know 😃

Watch the movie: "Remember the Goal". It is a great coaching movie related to this principle.

Great video as always. I can see a Hollywood blockbuster in there somewhere. Christoph Waltz as Coach Steffan?? Rupert Grint as a young Cam ;-)

I bet Stephan was from East Germany. Their rowing teams were monsters, and their coaching school was state of the art by late 70s.

This reminds me of my old sports teacher. He was actually a rower and would’ve gone (and judging by their season have probably won) to los angeles but then the boycott happened. He told us about cycling your training. There are short cycles of effort and supercompensation, basically building glycogen storages and long cycles in especially aerobic fitness. In east germany they would often cycle an athletes training specifically so they would be in their best shape when the olympics rolled around. Of course they often cycled certain substances along the way but that is another matter.

Technique before physical strength should be coached a lot more in other sports. There's no point being an athlete in competitive team sports if you don't know what you're doing. :P

I had to know there was some hidden reason I liked you so much! Turns out your a former rower like me 😉

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also sounds like Stefan was using a slightly General Physical Preparedness approach, which would make sense as a German.  Really build that basic engine, *then* focus on specifics towards the event.

Thanks for posting, sir. Follow the 80-20 rule every year.

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wow.u guys were using a cambered Buffalo bar in the 90's.. thats amazing Australia was the place to be to study sport science in the 90's.. just amazing stuff.

Look up Dr Stephen Seiler - I don't think he exactly invented polarization, but he certainly has 'written the book' on it.

Fully aware of Stephen! Don’t worry about that. Cheers

1997 I had no aspirations of being an endurance athlete whatsoever. I did, however, get married that year, and it will be 25 years next Tuesday (5th).

Congrats on the 25 years Mark! Cam

It's so funny to watch all these highly educated and informed trainers today and have them explain what exactly was wrong with my training even 10 years ago. I wish all this knowledge was more broadly available back then, instead of the bullshit gym talk that got me into 100 % every session mentality.

@Matthias Wuest I even listened to a song with the title "Go hard or go home" by Roy Jones Jr. While lifting heavy for the 4th day a week :D

To be honest, a lot of this info was available decades ago, but it was buried in a library. Hikers figure this out all the time: when you are used to going longer, you usually end up in front by the end. It's almost a bit old-school "never quit" attitude, but it sounds like all the coach did was force the team to put in the hours to outlast anyone, while keeping their regimen at a survivable intensity. Don't sweat it though, I knew all this stuff and still didn't believe it till I hit my 30s and needed to adapt or ruin myself.

Yep, my intro to rowing in 2014 was going hard on 80% of sessions, most days felt like a race effort. Falls mainly on the coaches I had but also on a toxic culture of "go hard or go home"

Thank you for sharing!!

Wonder why they could not add a strain gauge into a rowing oar? Presume too many variables to manage… Great video you got through this middle age cyclist. 😀

@Stiff Jalopy They do have a few different systems to measure slip and wash, as well as power (watts) on the water now, via the Peach system, NK EmPower oarlock, or SmartOar.

@Stiff Jalopy good points. The erg doesn't measure quality of technique.

@Carl Forde yeah, but the power you out in the chain is different from the power you can put in the water. There’s no missing on the erg, but if you have a poor catch and are sucking a ton of bubbles through the water, your effective power will be way lower. Ergs are only a marginally useful way to figure out who can move a boat.

rowing machines, aka erg machines, have strain gauges. Each person can be independently tested.

Cyclists are a strange bunch, they think that going flat out 5 times a week will improve their performance. Most other sports worked out there is a better way decades ago.

Woohoo...I too was a champion rower in high school ... left school in yr 11 only to return so that I could continue rowing..lol..not yo do school work..loved it

Nice one Susan, thanks for sharing.

The reason why the rowers of the City Mainz in Germany are one of the best in the World

How can adapt this training method fo the bike if you can only ride between 6-10 hours max per week due to family and work commitments? Would this amount of time split across 3 or 4 rides allow you to build up enough base fitness from the 'low and slow' method? Currently I try to go as fast as I can on every ride which allows me to cover as much distance as possible given I only have limited time available but seem to have hit a bit of a plateau and can't seem to break the 35 km/h avg. figure.

Fun but probably little-known fact for mainstream public. The best way to improve VO2max is doing a lot of high volume, low intensity aerobic base sessions. You don't achieve it by floggin yourself with heroic "VO2max" workouts. It's common misconception. What you achieve by those is anaerobic capacity (built upon existing aerobic base) and neuromuscular adaptations. It's only the icing on the cake of 5-6 minutes power. Improving an actual VO2max takes a lot of time and patience.

Great story

That Training is used by Jack Danel's for the Running training books he made in 2000, 2003 and his last book in 2010.

Sounds like Arthur Lydiards. technique for Peter Snell who won Olympic 1500 & 800m golds in the 60s. His revolution was running long distances to train for short races to build strength

moral of the story: hire a German

The Germans always beat ya. Greetings from a Dutchie ;)

Have you read “how to skate a 10k” ? It might really interest you!

"OK mates, we're going rowing. Weather report?" "Check." "River currents report?" "Check." "Crocodile report?" "Um...no worries...?"

Hey, that's just the perfect motivation for their high intensity speed work, once they are ready for it, of course. ;) How fast can those bumpy backed reptiles move through the water again??

Chopper John is why Stephan went back to Germany

I totally didn't read the title. I noticed the seka and assumed this story somehow leads to the bike's review...Im not very smart

oh, so he simply followed the training of any decent cross-country coach...

@Road Cycling Academy IF Thomas was referring to cross country RUNNING and not skiing, we were doing alternating days of long slow distance and then quarter mile intervals on a cinder track (at about a 60 second pace) way back in high school, in the early '70s (and our coach was not particularly technically savvy, nor scientific at all). This was in prep for a 2.5 mile race.

Yes wasn’t like that back in 1997 though. Mostly flogging HIIT work

Go the mighty mighty Crows!

I'm just coming to terms with you being a Crows supporter...but I guess it's not Collingwood or Carlton at least!

7:08 to get past all the filler. You're welcome.

Everyone is different Alex, but the analytics and comments are suggesting people enjoyed the story that lead into the strategy. But thanks for the comment

Periodisation. Check out Arthur Lydiard's methods

I'd come home from training mum would say dont drink all the milk

This polarised mostly Z2 and some intensity approach is not new at all…it’s just new to everyone who bought the hype around HIT only

Zone 2 of 5 zone model?

@occyman Same here. Major burn out - illnesses, mood swings, etc. before that. Taken four years to start thinking about cycling for fun again.

@Road Cycling Academy 100% correct.... I went through my own learning curve on too much intensity many years ago by just racing too much and training too hard all the time. You can do it for a while (some longer than others) but it hurts you in the end...no exceptions.

Yes true, but many recreational and amateur road cyclists that watch these videos don't know much about it, so it's the subtle message that hopefully gets through.

Why so much training for such little return? You don't sign million dollar contracts as a professional upon graduation, do you? Seems like a waste.

Classic 90’s overtraining

100%

One question... Brighton Grammar -> Adelaide Crows...? Why!?

@Road Cycling Academy makes sense :)

Moved to Melbourne in 1991 from Adelaide

What wusses, we used to race over 2400m in eights and 1600m in fours in seventies at high school

It might be the river isn't long or wide enough rather than intestinal fortitude

what was the coach name from Germany ???

What about that Seka!!?? Desperate to hear your thoughts!!!!!

Man, I thought you’ve had it (the bike) for ages. Anyway, good to see some fair review on Made in China products.

@Road Cycling Academy yes, seen the carbon expert say that the carbon was thin but uniform. Im 68kg on a good day and 71kg on a bad. Really appreciate you getting back to me! 👍🙏

@Neil Mckenna it’s a great frame, my only concern with it is the carbon layup is quite thin. So anyone over 90kgs I’d have some question marks. But if you’re under that happy days.

@Road Cycling Academy im very tempted to get one but can't find any reviews etc anywhere 😕 🤔 👍

Coming in a month

Love rowing

Its like the old tortoise and the hare story, nothing new under the sun.

Go Crows!!

Ol'mate: "Bloody hell mate, you have ripped off the script from a Hollywood movie master piece. tell the truth !".

@Road Cycling Academy it’s ok , I CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH !

That was the truth.

I thought the Seka was a shit bike, but you stil lhave it up?

Carn the Crows! ;-)

Would appreciate it if you could film the boat races in higher-quality mate.

@Le Ragib yep thanks 🤙

man, it's footage from 1997 or something like that. It's the best (without analog) quality you can hope for

hi just wondering when is your seka review coming

Soon, only just got the third rear wheel.

LP reacted d ryt way, she is Kayantanii.UNO need of over drama, or over consider ations. She don't deserve *considerationsu. Lp പറഞ്ഞ പോലെ,, ജീവിതം തുടങ്ങിയല്ലേ ഉള്ളു, പഠിക്കട്ടെ.

Cam Cam Cam - really really good

Cheers Clifford

Nice

Mike Mentzer

Someone listened to Steven Seiler