The Evolution of The Cure: From Goth to Pop and Back Again

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    The Cure are weird. In fact that is part of their appeal. They are outsiders, the forgotten and the lost and so invite that subsection of society. But what makes the band especially weird is that there are many different shades of Cure. The muted greys of Seventeen Seconds, the candy floss pinks of Japanese Whispers through to the deep pained purples of Disintegration. To quote the Cure's frontman Robert Smith: “The music's always reflected to a very large degree, how I am mentally.” They are the only band, Smith also notes, that are routinely perceived as both suicidal and whimsical. All through the 80s, clad in black, smudged with crimson lipstick, they unleashed super-sweet pop (Let's Go To Bed), dour goth (A Forest, The Hanging Garden) and everything in between, loved by both their cult-like fanbase and the music-listening public at large. They played by their own rules. But how did the Cure morph from suicidal oddities to whimsical new-wavers and back again within a decade?



    Soundtrack:
    idealism - phosphenes ( soundcloud.com/idealismus )
    a l e x - the burn marks on my epiano wont go away ( soundcloud.com/worsethanthis )
    Chris Mazuera - Equinox ( soundcloud.com/user-265495997... )
    Anxious - sleepless nights ( soundcloud.com/anxioussounds )
    idealism - ikigai ( soundcloud.com/idealismus )

    0:00 Intro
    1:33 1980: From Goth…
    4:30 1982: To Pop…
    8:06 1989: …and Back
    12:29 1990 onward: The End?
    15:10 Outro


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Trash Theory
Trash Theory

So what do people want me to a video on next?

Vor 2 years
Philippe Marois
Philippe Marois

The Journey of punk ri reggae infused band The Clash. This band has been very influencial !

Vor 5 Tage
monkeytrousers
monkeytrousers

XTC

Vor Monat
S K21
S K21

The Stranglers

Vor 3 Monate
Robbie Reith
Robbie Reith

Pixies

Vor 5 Monate
Alexander Laurence
Alexander Laurence

WIRE

Vor 5 Monate
rubberbudgies
rubberbudgies

'the Cure don't make goth music, the Cure make Cure music'...Robert Smith

Vor 2 years
CasperlaVoid
CasperlaVoid

@Rashotcake I mean, yeah. But they still had a huge impact on the genre/subculture even if they didn't mean to.

Vor 2 Monate
Rashotcake
Rashotcake

every band doesn’t like being categorized under a certain genre.

Vor 2 Monate
CasperlaVoid
CasperlaVoid

@Anthony Nunez Yes. Non-goth cure fans for some reason hate the connection between the cure and goth and will constantly dispute it. Robert Smith, himself doesn't really like the goth title. However, they are foundational to the goth sound (and in some aspect, the look), along with some other bands. They didn't mean to help create it, but they did give major influence to the subculture.

Vor 4 Monate
HumanChannel782
HumanChannel782

@Ethan K why would you downvote. Just because you disagree. Why not just put nothing. Because you’re a piece of shit

Vor 5 Monate
Br4n
Br4n

I mean that's cool and all, but your musical influences will still be apparent, which will fit your sound into a genre of some sort. I get the sentiment, but to deny outright that your music can be categorized is a little arrogant, and naive. Language and words put things into categories, so that they can be understood. It's not an insult to be labeled, it's just how communication works.

Vor 5 Monate
Belit Rodriguez
Belit Rodriguez

Robert Smith will never die, he'll just need more makeup...

Vor 2 years
Donnie Capobianco
Donnie Capobianco

it's funny cos that's what morticians do too

Vor 7 Monate
RabidChasebot
RabidChasebot

@Optimistic Whovian I honestly thought it was Divine on stage there at the end

Vor 8 Monate
F U
F U

@Dave Dogge I thought punks were more violent.

Vor 9 Monate
neuralmute
neuralmute

Death just gives old school goths even more goth cred.

Vor 2 years
Dave Dogge
Dave Dogge

A goth is just a punk that walked into a coal mine.

Vor 2 years
Maura Marshall
Maura Marshall

my grandma faked my dad a doctors note once so he could skip school to see them live and i am so jealous :(

Vor 2 years
Daniel Harrison
Daniel Harrison

If you can, you should see them live. It’s always an amazing show, except in Vegas. Vegas audiences just suck.

Vor year
J G
J G

The studio burned down during/shortly after (?) the recording of Disintegration and Robert Smith ran back inside to get the tapes. Like he was saving his child and I am so glad he did.

Vor 2 years
GrimLikeCasket
GrimLikeCasket

Sounds oddly familiar to switchblade symphony

Vor year
Eartheternal
Eartheternal

@Lanedude The story I heard was that on one of the days during the Disintegration sessions the janitor came barreling out of the studio in full shields up formation yelling, "somebody farted!". It was so dramatic that a passerby commented, ”jeez mate, take it easy. I thought the place was on fire". Years later it would be revealed that the incident happened after hours, which means the janitor would have been the only one in the facility at the time.

Vor 2 years
Lanedude
Lanedude

According to Roger O' Donnell, the fire wasn't as big as people said it was and supposedly was made a bigger deal than it really was.

Vor 2 years
Jason Dankenbring
Jason Dankenbring

@edhubble Also very important, lol.

Vor 2 years
edhubble
edhubble

The fire started on their first day at the studio. Nothing was recorded yet. It was Perry Bamonte and Dave Allen who went back into the burning building to retrieve Robert’s lyrics (on paper) and demo tapes (on cassette).

Vor 2 years
Sylvie P.
Sylvie P.

The Cure is a very unique band. They have a fanbase of different music listeners, who prefer different eras of the band, with a few of them truly loving everything they have released. Personally I don't really like their post - Disintegration era (with the exception of some rare tracks and b sides - for some reason a lot of times in their discography the b sides are better from the a sides) but a lot of Cure fans will call me crazy just for stating that!

Vor 2 years
DragonflyOD
DragonflyOD

@hotstoveleague38 4:13 dream is so underrated imo, hungry ghost as you said is great, but tracks like the reasons why and especially underneath the stars (top 5 cure song honestly) just go without the love that i believe they deserve, even if the album does fall off towards its latter end.

Vor 23 Tage
Inconnu 49
Inconnu 49

Sylvie P: you are crazy!

Vor 5 Monate
Thread Bomb
Thread Bomb

I think part of the problem is the production quality. The later albums sound cluttered and less warm to me. The 80s sound is a huge part of the appeal of their classic songs.

Vor year
Bassgeetar
Bassgeetar

Sylvie P. A bit like the arctic monkeys

Vor year
rosie muffins
rosie muffins

@Randy Oglesby i really hope so!! i just hope they release it!

Vor 2 years
Jimmy Droid
Jimmy Droid

Whenever I see Robert Smith, I often wonder if he does his own grocery shopping at Aldi like the rest of us here mortals.

Vor 2 years
Kommissar
Kommissar

Check out the Mary Whitehouse Experience if you want to see Robert doing mundane stuff.

Vor 5 Monate
Belen Hernandez Benavente
Belen Hernandez Benavente

@The Shocker 💞💞💞

Vor 5 Monate
Major Problems
Major Problems

@The Shocker That was beautiful.

Vor 6 Monate
Blah Blah
Blah Blah

He eats mascara.

Vor year
J.J.
J.J.

Why would someone with money shop at Aldi? xD

Vor year
Jacob James
Jacob James

His been with his wife since 14. That's pretty cool.

Vor 2 years
Snippet Machine
Snippet Machine

@sad :c hows it goin

Vor 3 Monate
Paul Gibbons
Paul Gibbons

@Nahh Fam ho ho ho 😂

Vor 4 Monate
Nahh Fam
Nahh Fam

Of all people, Snoop Dogg has been with his wife since then too, the music videos and lyrics of women were for show.

Vor 4 Monate
Jan Pamuła
Jan Pamuła

Thats why i believe him when he sings about love

Vor 5 Monate
Paul Gibbons
Paul Gibbons

@clod8 successful live by their own rules. Good luck to him. I'm sure he is a decent human.

Vor 5 Monate
Sarit Alony
Sarit Alony

The cure saved my life when I was in high school. Here was a man singing about an end of all thing joyful and still carrying on and making millions. It gave me hope I will get out of my own valley of tears in one peace.

Vor 2 years
Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton

@Sarit Alony good for you man 👍🏻

Vor 2 Monate
Sarit Alony
Sarit Alony

@Bill Clinton I am still around 35 years later, so far so good.

Vor 2 Monate
Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton

Did you?

Vor 2 Monate
Chris Rodriguez
Chris Rodriguez

Falling in love? Listen to the Cure. Want to die? Listen to the Cure. Realizing falling in love can sometimes make you want to die? Oh, yeah, you bet! Listen to the Cure

Vor 2 years
Sogo
Sogo

Siouxsie Sioux was the first to give Robert Smith some lipstick... ...and the rest is Goth History... ;)

Vor 2 years
Cee Martín
Cee Martín

@amers83 it has nothing to do with 'gender bending'.

Vor 14 Tage
No Diggity
No Diggity

She should have showed him how to put it on properly too. I'm surprised his Mum used to let him out looking like that.

Vor 5 Monate
amers83
amers83

I don't what to believe with that one. He stated that he experimented with makeup as a teenager and got beat up for it. Sounded genuine. I know he's always been a huge Bowie fan. Wild hair, dark eyeshadow, and red lipstick was most likely inspired by her but the gender bending was most likely influenced by David, the punk scene and the glam bands of the seventies(the Sweet)

Vor year
electricheadboy
electricheadboy

worshipthenephilim I would have loved to see that! Nocturne is one of the best albums I’ve ever heard! I can’t count how many times I’ve listened to it.

Vor year
worshipthenephilim
worshipthenephilim

I saw him play with the Banshees at Hammersmith Odeon, it was one of the most awesome gigs of my life!

Vor year
Olivia
Olivia

My mom saw them live in the 80s and I’m so jealous

Vor 2 years
Santos Rivera
Santos Rivera

I saw the cure in San Francisco Candlestick park, 2002. Memories of Frankfurt Germany 88/89.

Vor 5 Monate
Stéphane Bergeron
Stéphane Bergeron

I saw the Disintegration tour at the Montreal forum in 1988. One of the best concerts I've seen to this day and I've seen some amazing shows...

Vor 2 years
Vann Junkin
Vann Junkin

Theyll again be out and about soon love.. go see. I'll be there this time🖤

Vor 2 years
Roman Gomez
Roman Gomez

@Milk Carton Ah...glad that you enjoyed it a lot as it wasn't clear that you did. They put on a great show every time. Many bands dont sound good live let alone live 40 years later...it will suck when Robert is right and the band at some point will stop playing and touring...am kind of hoping their new album coming up will be good...we will see.

Vor 2 years
Milk Carton
Milk Carton

@Roman Gomez YEah i should have said i enjoyed the show a lot, i mean yeah they still played these 80s songs great, but in terms of their new material, it was all bad. They were smart though, they alternated classics with new songs for the first like ten songs and then stuck to old songs for the rest of the show. But i mean the Wish lineup was probably best, so this was their best live era. As for smith's best songwriting years was obviously 80's. So yeah, by 2004 they were 11 years past their prime as a live band. But still good. No doubt

Vor 2 years
geoff burrill
geoff burrill

I am a dyed in the wool Goth fan but love the Cure's more poppy albums as much as their deep dark ones. Long live the Cure.

Vor 2 years
Stickerless
Stickerless

@rosie muffins idk, there is a band called the cure, idk if you have heard of it.

Vor year
rosie muffins
rosie muffins

geoff burrill do you have any goth music recommendations?

Vor 2 years
Juggler4071
Juggler4071

The poppy albums contain more than their share of darkness, even if you don't get that impression from the singles. It's odd (but probably not wrong) to call the 1983-1988 era their 'pop' era when it produced dark or deranged tracks like Shake Dog Shake, Give Me It, The Top, Sinking, Kyoto Song, Snakepit, Torture, The Kiss, Like Cockatoos, Shiver & Shake, etc. There's a lot of madness hiding behind their pop singles of that time.

Vor 2 years
synobyte
synobyte

Same.

Vor 2 years
abyss
abyss

same. but y'know New Wave is one of our genres anyway, and we can enjoy the saccharine cynicism imbued into songs like Friday I'm in Love from our perspectives. movement has always been a nice feature of Goth, and you can find infectious rhythms all over Darkwave *

Vor 2 years
Bylo Band
Bylo Band

The Cure is brilliant, and Disintegration is one of the best albums in human history.

Vor 2 years
Bat Eats Moth
Bat Eats Moth

Their "pop" was nothing more than a gothic rock bait-and-switch to break into the American industry. They were always a gothic rock band. Lots of gothic rock bands had major mode songs; they're still creepy and lyrically dark and sensuous.

Vor 2 years
Bat Eats Moth
Bat Eats Moth

@Coxy_Wrecked. You're reading way too much into my posts and saying things I didn't say.

Vor 5 Monate
novadhd
novadhd

I hated their "poppy" style.

Vor 5 Monate
neuralmute
neuralmute

@Inconnu 49 Absolutely! I'm into bands from all over the musical map - alt rock, goth, punk, industrial, metal, classic 60's and 70's rock from the Beatles to Bowie, and yes, some of the weirder 80's synth pop from characters like Gary Numan. The Cure have been my favourite band for decades, at least partly because there is nothing else out there anything like them, and because of their brilliant songwriting. There's real *feeling* in their music. Nothing manufactured there. And I think Robert Smith's howling would break autotune! XD

Vor 5 Monate
Inconnu 49
Inconnu 49

@neuralmute agreed! I put my lot in with the Alternative scene. Pop has always been verboten!

Vor 5 Monate
Coxy_Wrecked.
Coxy_Wrecked.

Amusingly clueless post by the OP. You're suggesting Robert Smith deliberately wrote pop songs he didn't even like 🤣 So Robert continues to play Friday I'm in love, In between days, Just Like Heaven, love cats, Why can't I be you etc despite only writing them forn airplay in America. You know Robert Smith created the god-awful, super poppy and dancey Mixed Up album because thats the type of music he enjoyed listening to at the time? You then go on to state you like all their stuff.. Does that include the absolute rubbish they've put out since Wish, which includes a fair amount of the pop songs you poured scorn on in your original post? There's always going to be these The Cure 'elitist' type of fans that belive only the 'Gothic' and 'dark' are genuine The Cure songs.

Vor 6 Monate
Ryan Busby
Ryan Busby

The Cure has been my favorite band for 30 years. They are literally a part of me and are the soundtrack of my life. There are so many songs that are brilliantly wonderful they have written, but I think they're most underrated song and possibly their most powerful song is Sinking. Other songs such as the b-sides from the Wish era like Play and This twilight garden, are simply Amazing. The song Apart is one of their very best. Out of all the album's, I'd have to say Kiss me is my favorite, especially The Kiss and If Only tonight we could sleep. But in All honesty, how could I ever pick just one?

Vor 2 years
Dead_Sync3
Dead_Sync3

Pornography is my favourite album the faster songs like 100 years, the hanging garden and a strange day intertwined with the slower tracks like the figurehead, siamese twins and cold really makes for a unique and inspiring album. They really achieved portraying themselves in the music in a way I can't comprehend.

Vor 2 years
Micah Micah
Micah Micah

I honestly don’t listen to much of their stuff but that album is on repeat all the time particularly the title track

Vor year
TheKoss11
TheKoss11

🤦‍♂️hasn’t changed my mind

Vor 2 years
Ylann Jacobin
Ylann Jacobin

Pornography and hundred years gives me anxiety crysis but I love it 😅 I burned an Amp on playing this album too loud

Vor 2 years
rosie muffins
rosie muffins

same!!! love pornography!

Vor 2 years
Maeve Jones
Maeve Jones

same! for the very reason

Vor 2 years
Duster5000
Duster5000

Personally I really love the Wish album. It embodies the mix of both pop and gloom. I feel it’s entirely one of the most under rated albums in their catalog.

Vor 2 years
tanya blonska
tanya blonska

@Goyo Romero so true. 'to wish impossible things' is the saddest song i've ever heard. it physically hurts to listen to that song

Vor year
neuralmute
neuralmute

@Ronald Owens That tour was the first time I saw them, and I've seen them a number of times since. They're such a remarkably tight, energetic live band, and they play for *hours!* Such a legendary live act!

Vor 2 years
Ronald Owens
Ronald Owens

@Aaron Archual my first concert wash the Wish tour. I was 13 my buddy and I did the line up a a ticket joint at 3AM they went on sail at 10AM sold out city wide for a 60,000 person venue at 10.32am . We were lucky enough to open floor . One of my top three shows ever. And I have seen bands in venues that you wouldn't believe.

Vor 2 years
Aaron Archual
Aaron Archual

I'll add to that, they were at their freaking height during "Show" as a live band, so their live versions could go toe to toe with their studio versions any day (especially since their sound was so guitar driven and few to no keyboards). @Ouack strax

Vor 2 years
Ouack strax
Ouack strax

I love the songs but I've found myself leaning toward the versions on 'Show', probably because I got that before Wish. The production feels a little too compressed compared to what I was used to.

Vor 2 years
Alex Bird
Alex Bird

Lol Robert Smith looks like he's about to cry in every interview.

Vor 2 years
christmas_ bush
christmas_ bush

Ik he always looks uncomfortable in interviews

Vor 7 Monate
Jakub Karwowski
Jakub Karwowski

@S yeah I instantly recognised him on "not in love" by crystal castles

Vor year
S
S

@Jakub Karwowski Yeah that kind of strangled sad voice is his trademark. At first I thought his voice is too much for me. But soon I become to love it. It's really distinctive. You recognize him immediately.

Vor year
Jakub Karwowski
Jakub Karwowski

he also sounds like that on every song and we all love him for that

Vor year
Hans Jay
Hans Jay

when you started describing the muted grays of seventeen seconds and the candyfloss pinks of of japanese whispers, i lit up. since i started listening to the cure at 15, i have formed entire worlds/landscapes in my head in relationship to these albums. every winter, to help my mental health while the sun sets at 4:30pm, i love looking at christmas lights while specifically listening to japanese whispers, especially "lament" and "speak my language". when it's fall, and raining, and i'm hiking with my husband, we listen to faith and seventeen seconds and feel the albums' sounds reflecting the forest around us. on the winter days when the sun is out, i find the ability to smile and feel warmth in three imaginary boys, and those firey early 80's live sets. the cure is my home, when i have nowhere else to go (musically). i am privileged to be able to have seen them live in 2016. i am not even 54 seconds into this video and i'm already emotional. god bless you.

Vor 2 years
Y6FM
Y6FM

Thats amazing that he's still with his childhood sweetheart. The Cure is my ultimate band, with songs for every mood I have. Good job! My favorite era of the Cure is the "Head on the Door" album and "Disintegration" albums!

Vor 2 years
My Mind Pictures
My Mind Pictures

Nice video, but it should be pointed out that throughout their entire discography, even the poppier albums are littered with darker, moodier pieces that wouldn’t sound out of place on Pornography or Disintegration. It’s not as clear cut as goth/pop/goth again/pop again.

Vor 2 years
Paloma GG
Paloma GG

Exactly! Thank you for pointing this out @My Mind Pictures

Vor year
Thread Bomb
Thread Bomb

On Disintegration, Lovesong and Lullaby are both quite poppy.

Vor year
Susan Kramer
Susan Kramer

Came here to say this. I just threw on Kiss Me... and the Kiss is so atmospheric and would not at all sound out of place on Pronography. Nor If Only TOnight We could Sleep, for that matter.

Vor year
MYKEE!
MYKEE!

Truth. Even KISS ME... had poppy, dancey tracks mixed with gloomy gothy post-punk. They're such a great combination of all sorts of sounds and styles that somehow all work together.

Vor year
Loreley
Loreley

Stéphane Bergeron the kiss is such a bad ass song

Vor year
David Ellis
David Ellis

The trio of 17 Seconds , Faith & Pornography are The Cure at their best. These and Disintegration are all Desert Island Discs. The Cure were without doubt , the best band of the 80's. Timeless.

Vor 2 years
Jesús Mejía
Jesús Mejía

The smiths and Joy Division :v

Vor 2 years
David Ellis
David Ellis

@kimberly schleiger It's minimal.

Vor 2 years
kimberly schleiger
kimberly schleiger

David Ellis really! Seventeen Seconds? I love that one the least.

Vor 2 years
rosie muffins
rosie muffins

YESSSS

Vor 2 years
Maeve Jones
Maeve Jones

david ellis, amen

Vor 2 years
Sprite Molotov
Sprite Molotov

I could listen to your articulation about the Cure for hours. My four favorite albums are Faith, Seventeen Seconds , Pornography. And Disintegration. Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss me gets an honorable mention as it is also fantastic.

Vor 11 Monate
Tara Diane
Tara Diane

Disintegration is one of the greatest songs of all time. I will never tire of it.

Vor 2 years
Odette Uys
Odette Uys

AGREED 🖤🖤🖤

Vor 2 years
GunHed17
GunHed17

As good as 'Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me' is, 'Disintegration' is truly their ultimate masterpiece. The title track is perhaps the most scathing and poisonous song about love and love lost that's ever been made.

Vor year
raphlwes
raphlwes

Love the old Cure footage. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but Simone Gallup had already returned to the band before Disintegration was released.

Vor 2 years
David Mentalist
David Mentalist

He returned in 1985

Vor 2 years
Sinem Yıldız
Sinem Yıldız

I love The Cure's lyrics. They are so poetic. It's like listening literature

Vor 7 Monate
Blake Blackstone
Blake Blackstone

My Dad finally got to catch them live the same year he died from cancer. We played Pictures of You at his funeral.

Vor 2 years
кролика родзинка
кролика родзинка

God I love the cure, they're their own genre imo

Vor year
jgjtsngh
jgjtsngh

"disintegration" will always be one of the best albums of all time. top 10. for sure.

Vor 2 years
unemployablegraduate
unemployablegraduate

Much as I like 'Disintegration', and think it's their most coherent record, I can't help but feel that there's been some revisionism about it. If I remember correctly (I was 15, 16), it wasn't particularly well-received - or badly-received - by the press at the time. Q Magazine, for example, gave it 3/5 and said it was a retrogressive album, that the Cure were looking back rather than forwards. I remember the other papers being a bit 'meh' about it at the time as well. It's grown in stature over the years to the point where people now see it as their masterpiece.

Vor 2 years
Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

Bought the 3 disc reissue of Disintegration in hmv for £5 best bargain CD I've bought.

Vor 2 years
Derek Scanlan
Derek Scanlan

I was a thrash metal fan at the time it came out. It instantly caught me and I've been a 'curehead' ever since also. I'll still listen to Disintegration or Head in the Door as often as Rust in Piece or Master of Puppets these days

Vor 2 years
minny hastholm
minny hastholm

lots of albums now considered milestones got mixed or bad reviews when they were released. happened to Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd, Gary Numan, Jean Michel Jarre, Kate Bush, Depeche Mode, Bauhaus, and of course also The Cure

Vor 2 years
Keir Hardie
Keir Hardie

@Shari Welch I've loved them since I bought The Lovecats when I was twelve. And I always will :) I've got an American friend that flies around to see them, she's called Inez.

Vor 2 years
Shari Welch
Shari Welch

@Keir Hardie Hm, interesting, I never heard that exactly. I'm a big Cure fan and so are a lot of my friends - the hardcore type that fly around the world to see them at concerts. I never got that idea from them. But I guess other people are saying it! :)

Vor 2 years
R R
R R

Wish is a very underrated The Cure album. How could you even say that Wish "lacks in edge" when an epic masterpiece such as "From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea" exists?

Vor year
uncannycatwoman
uncannycatwoman

"Disintegration is the best album ever"

Vor 2 years
Ben
Ben

MECHA ROBERT SMITH

Vor 3 Monate
Victoria
Victoria

THIS IS HOW I DISCOVERED THEM

Vor 5 Monate
MrMtanz
MrMtanz

It really is though. Got me through the pandemic.

Vor 5 Monate
Alex Montez
Alex Montez

Ive fallen in love with this band iver the past few weeks. I need to see them live before its too late

Vor year
Disapproving Shinji
Disapproving Shinji

It's sad that you completely ignored their Self-Titled album, 4:13 Dream and ther upcoming return album (AFTER 11 YEARS!) However, I loved the video, it was well researched and very clearly explained. I'm a HUGE fan of theirs (inherited my love of them from my parents), and am glad to see their fanbase still standing strong despite their long term absence and lack of communication with fans via social media.

Vor 2 years
JM
JM

Upcoming album? Where?

Vor 7 Monate
Jamston Julian
Jamston Julian

Ah, The Cure. My favourite Post-Punk-Goth-Pop band.

Vor 2 years
Jenn Righter
Jenn Righter

You did The Cure so much justice. Thank you.

Vor year
Reso Factor
Reso Factor

The Cure started out as a pop band. "Three Imaginary Boys" is nothing like the next three albums that followed it.

Vor 2 years
Ominous Bambi
Ominous Bambi

I don’t think I could pick a favorite era. I love it all so much. They’re one of my favorite bands of all time.

Vor 8 Monate
ConvincingPeople
ConvincingPeople

Two key points of correction: Firstly, at the time of Lol Tolhurst's departure, the band's lineup also featured guitarist Porl Thompson, who had been a member of several of The Cure's earliest incarnations but only returned nearly a decade later, leaving two original members plus essential collaborator and long-time friend of the group Simon Gallup on bass. Secondly, while Disintegration might have been the band's most complete return to a darker sound, elements of Pornography's more ominous sound were still quite prominent on the band's proper follow-up, The Top, particularly on the glacially slow, desolate title track and the frantic "Give Me It", and persisted to some degree throughout the band's '80s output with songs like "Sinking", "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" and, of course, the utter classic "The Kiss"; likewise, the dour tone of Disintegration permeates a great deal of Wish, especially on the longer, more dramatic cuts, two of which bookend the album: The morose social anxiety vignette "Open" and the self-lacerating anti-idolisation anthem "End". And, lest we forget, Three Imaginary Boys definitely strays into darker territory, mainly in the lyrics of songs like "Accuracy" but also musically on "Subway Song" and the haunting title track. ...did I mention that I really like The Cure? Because I really like The Cure.

Vor 2 years
Ronnie O
Ronnie O

This was done very well. And I appreciate it. I saw the Cure in 2000 and they were just brilliant.

Vor 2 years
The Creation
The Creation

Thank you The Cure for so many years of wonderful music. You’re my musical inspiration. ♥️🎶🎸

Vor 2 years
Alex Green
Alex Green

Your videos are so well put together, I always enjoy them!

Vor 2 years
Billy Bob John
Billy Bob John

As an 80's metalhead Cure's music was the only music I would enjoy listening to that wasn't metal, maybe because I also liked Siouxsie and the Banshees.

Vor year
Dunning Dunning
Dunning Dunning

A lot of posts in these comment sections are decrying the description of the Cure as Goth, but I think it's a half-truth. "The first rule of being Goth is denying that you're Goth" - Gothic rock arguably started in 1979 with the single "Bela Lugosi's Dead" by Bauhaus. The Sisters of Mercy, The Banshees, The Cure, Bauhaus - none of them liked the label "Goth" but all of them dressed like Patricia Adams; had tribal drumming (apart from the Sisters, who had Dr Avalanche); galloping bass lines; spacious, reverb-laden atmospheres; and jangle-y, flange/chorus affected guitar lines. Then there's the lyrics: heavily sarcastic and wry, focused on the existential and critical of the status quo... Basically, Goth was the Unknown Pleasures sound combined with Bowie-esque glam sensibilities; post punk as dark pageantry. Then Goth became Gothic Rock when The Sisters of Mercy replaced the tribal drumming with drum machines and an "ironic" appreciation for Led Zep and big, dumb 70s metal. In came the cowboy hats and flour... There's truth in the claim that none of these bands are Goth, because they were all incredibly unique acts. However, they all had periods in their career where their sound, songs and/or fashion sense easily fit the term Goth as a purely descriptive term. But the label was invented by an antagonistic music press, and Goths were the butt of so many jokes, until Emo-core morphed into Emo and became an easier target ("Emos want to kill themselves; Goths want to kill everyone else" - Stephen Fry). Hence Robert Smith, Andrew Eldritch, Peter Murphy, etc., all denied being Goth, whilst criticising all the other bands for being "that crap Goth shit fashionable with art students," in an attempt to both distance themselves from the category, and position themselves as superior to the other bands. These are some playground antics, if ever I've seen them, but I still love all of these bands.

Vor year
PDXNTV
PDXNTV

It's pretty much the same with every genre. Portishead and Massive Attack, among many others, deny they're Trip Hop. No one wants to be pigeonholed, especially by lazy music writers (so-called journalists).

Vor 9 Monate
Dan Roe
Dan Roe

It’s the same as people who say Batman isn’t a superhero because he has no superpowers. Friend, if your definition of goth doesn’t include three of the first five goth bands almost everyone would name, your definition is wrong.

Vor 11 Monate
Faulenzerin
Faulenzerin

Yup, ask the Mission what they think of their goth fans. Only rockstars at a gig with colourful clothing mocking the audience in black :) It's all a way of distancing oneself from a scene and audience that has a bad reputation (AKA biting the hand that feeds you).. I remember Placebo's Molko being very vocal at distancing themselves from "that goth stuff like the SIsters of Mercy" in an interview on Italian TV back then. Even funnier as Andrew Eldritch says SoM weren't goth.

Vor year
PandoraNYC1
PandoraNYC1

Love, love love The Cure / Robert Smith. Thank you so much for this.

Vor 2 years
Deppresed Dino
Deppresed Dino

Earlier today I was telling my mom about how Robert Smith still wears his hair and makeup the way he did in the 80’s- I showed her a picture of him and her reaction was priceless 😂

Vor 2 years
Maeve Jones
Maeve Jones

does he walk around in public when he's not performing like that?!

Vor 2 years
Dave Zygmund
Dave Zygmund

Saw them live in the 80’s. They were gods. Glad there still touring. 🎤

Vor 2 years
Bekki UndSo
Bekki UndSo

I never could put into words exactly why I've always been drawn to The Cure, even as a little kid, but I think Robert#s absolutely right - it's mental illness. Is it a good thing to constantly swing between Lovecats and Disintegration? Probably not, but hey. No matter my mental state, Robert got the Soundtrack covered and I'm happy about that.

Vor 5 Monate
Joey X Smith
Joey X Smith

Young Robert Smith looks a bit like Ben Affleck.

Vor 2 years
Joe Ferriola
Joe Ferriola

Thats what im sayin!

Vor year
Rob Dugas
Rob Dugas

And old Robert Smith looks like old Liz Taylor.

Vor year
CupofCloud
CupofCloud

@David Galinat good call

Vor year
R R
R R

Young Robert was cute

Vor year
I say shotgun, you say wedding [TFM]
I say shotgun, you say wedding [TFM]

Haha

Vor year
Nil Desperandum
Nil Desperandum

The three times I got to see them live was magical and their music is poetic it hits deep. I will forever love them.

Vor year
Heather German
Heather German

The Cure is my favorite band. Robert Smith is an icon.

Vor 7 Monate
Natalia Uyu
Natalia Uyu

The cure melhor banda, Robert perfeito 💕

Vor 2 years
Saharat | Joey Gates
Saharat | Joey Gates

You need to do Radiohead and their progressing as well as this.

Vor 2 years
Kirsty Tan
Kirsty Tan

Yesss.. That would be so epic

Vor year
Shane Brown
Shane Brown

Saw them on the wild swings tour - started at 8 ended at 11:15 / greatest concert I have ever seen

Vor 2 years
coffeepie
coffeepie

Disintegration is one of the three most important records of my youth that I still listen to. Also, it needs to be listened to from start to finish, not as singles, never never never on shuffle.

Vor 5 Monate
Set Fire To The Night Sky
Set Fire To The Night Sky

You should make your next video about Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Psychedelic Furs, Modern English, The Sisters Of Mercy, Clan Of Xymox or Gary Numan.

Vor 2 years
DaLunaticsHaveTakenOverDaAsylum
DaLunaticsHaveTakenOverDaAsylum

@David Ellis yes, I believe that... I remember when the Lonely is an Eyesore 4ad comp came out in about '87, it came with a catalog listing all the 4ad releases up to that point (about spring of 87), with the exception of, you guessed it, the I melt With You single. Ivo just completely left it out of the catalog listing lol. I always got the feeling he was a bit of a snob, but then most "indie" types were back then.

Vor year
Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur

The Furs ...

Vor year
tanya blonska
tanya blonska

love all those bands! i'd watch 'em

Vor year
David Ellis
David Ellis

@A K Supposedly , Ivo really disliked After The Snow and was mortified that it became a hit. He spent nothing on Richochet Days and refused to release Stop/ Start. So perhaps this is a true story.

Vor 2 years
A K
A K

Modern English

Vor 2 years
Ivan Luis
Ivan Luis

The Cure has always been and always will be a differentiated band from all the others.

Vor 10 Monate
Dulceele
Dulceele

Just saw them live for the first time. I have inherited my love for them from my dad. 40 years later and they are still as timeless

Vor 2 years
Crinkle65
Crinkle65

He’s a genius. Disintegration is a real masterpiece and my favorite album of all time. This was great. Thanks.

Vor 9 Monate
Lord Frank
Lord Frank

I have a soft spot in my heart for disintegration because it was my first Curr record., but pornography is THE one for me. It used to give me the creeps sometimes back in the day

Vor 2 years
violetsnotviolence
violetsnotviolence

How about a video on why music in the 90s tended to be cynical and dark even though there was economic prosperity and an overall sense of hope in the US.

Vor 2 years
Daisyyy
Daisyyy

three imaginary boys is so unappreciated

Vor 2 years
PDXNTV
PDXNTV

@Barry Greenstein Because the whole video is kinda lame.

Vor 9 Monate
irene janith
irene janith

My favorite album by far, I remember going to a DC vinyl shop once and I found a poster for the album and I’ve had it up in my room in HS and now in my living room where my toddlers and husband get to enjoy it too!

Vor year
KeironP1
KeironP1

Michael L How old are you? 12? I’m stupid because I like a different song to you? And next time you decide to call somebody “stupid” make sure you use *you’re. Dickhead....

Vor year
Michael L
Michael L

@KeironP1 your stupid grinding halt is a tear jerker

Vor year
KeironP1
KeironP1

Fire In Cairo is one of my favourite songs of all time.

Vor year
Bmore Bob
Bmore Bob

I won’t bore anyone with my experience with Disintegration, my twenties and a girl I was heartbreakingly in love with at the time. I’ll just say it was truly wonderful and I’ll never forget those few intense years of my life. Wherever you are out there Gabby. I love you

Vor year
Odette Uys
Odette Uys

Can't wait for their album to drop. I think the inscription on Robert's guitar is a clue as to a song on the new album. 'it will never be the same'

Vor 2 years
Loreley
Loreley

Odette Uys I agree

Vor year
David G
David G

The Cure is not "goth," The Cure is one of the original alternative bands. The "alternative" label means nothing anymore, but back in the '80s, when The Cure was big, it did.

Vor year
karl Joseph Clarke
karl Joseph Clarke

one of the greatest bands of all time, thank you The Cure for being in my life and ears for 33 years now

Vor year
Aaron Cade Warren
Aaron Cade Warren

I hate to say it, but for me, I basically pretend that The Cure "ended" in 2004. Just in terms of their studio album releases, their 25 year run from _Three Imaginary Boys_ to _Bloodflowers_ is, for me, one of the most outstanding runs of musical brilliance in modern pop/rock-based music. Even albums that some fans don't like, I find many facets of them to love dearly. (E.g., I adore _Wild Mood Swings_ even if it has some filler.) And aside from artists whose end-of-career albums happened to be infused with real-life poignancy, like David Bowie's _Blackstar_ (which was not only a fantastic work _per se_ , but was clearly going to be his final studio effort), is there any album that functions as an artist's "final" work as beautifully as _Bloodflowers_ ? Combine that with how god damn great their _Trilogy_ performances/film were, and the release in 2004 of their _Join The Dots_ B-sides/rarities/remixes collection, and you have one hell of an astonishing run, all wrapped up nicely with a bow. ...Well... as long as you forget about _The Cure_ and _4:13__ Dream_ . To be fair, there are some songs on the former that I actually do like, although I cannot stand the production enough to listen to them regularly. I had hoped that it was a minor aberration, but the band straight-up broke my heart with _4:13__ Dream_ . When I first heard the title and date it would be released, I was stoked. I know the title's numbers are in reference to the band/album, but because my birthday is 13 April, I had a weird "investment" in it, hoping it was a return to form. So when I finally got the album and heard the first track, I was absolutely ecstatic. "Underneath The Stars" is a great track, a beautiful opener (by a band that has always known how to open and close an album), and I thought "Robert fucking did it!" Then... the rest of the album happened, and that feeling came crashing down. Sure, there are some good tracks, and the production was way better, but it just...had no effect on me. If The Cure puts out any other album in the future, I'll always want to hear it ASAP, and I'm always rooting for Robert to create an album worthy of their legacy. But until then, "my" concept of The Cure ends before their self-titled. But I would _love_ for Robert to prove me wrong someday.

Vor 2 years
ares sabbathi
ares sabbathi

what, 4:13 was such a good album

Vor 2 years
M McIntyre
M McIntyre

One of the greatest bands of all time.

Vor 2 years
A Marks
A Marks

Holy crap, this was incredible . Thank you so much for this! I got chills watching

Vor 2 years
Kaiya Rosie
Kaiya Rosie

three imaginary boys is such a good album!!! one of my all time favourites. under appreciated

Vor 2 years
NewGoldStandard
NewGoldStandard

Good on Robert Smith for still rocking... and their contribution to The Crow soundtrack is worth a mention. They were sounding very current right next to NIN and Stone Temple Pilots in the mid 90s.

Vor 2 years
Alejandra
Alejandra

Well, I have to start with thanking you for doing such a great job with this, It is pretty well documented for a short documentary, I really enjoyed the interviews and the footage you used, some of which I never saw before, and the aproach to the band's history was very respectful. With that said, I lost it when you said "but Its video featuring the band, now a twobies, dancing about like a drunken tears of fears" xD that was hilarious! I was eating and spit my food back on the plate, you earned my suscription with that. Great content!

Vor 2 years
Dark Wolf
Dark Wolf

It's funny the Robert hated Duran Duran... Back in the 80s, The Cure and Duran Duran were my two favorite bands. Two sides of my personality.

Vor 2 years
Randy Torrez
Randy Torrez

@Alex Flores RANDY JUDAH TALK 🎼❤️

Vor 7 Monate
HumanChannel782
HumanChannel782

@Randy Torrez I would put omd before spandau

Vor 7 Monate
Alex Flores
Alex Flores

Some of DD's self titled sounds like The Cure. Night Boat and Friends Of Mine are sonically goth thanks to Nick Rhodes awesome synths.

Vor 11 Monate
Randy Torrez
Randy Torrez

@Thread Bomb RANDY JUDAH TALK 🎼❤️

Vor year
Thread Bomb
Thread Bomb

They did write some brilliant pop songs.

Vor year
Karen Hannegan
Karen Hannegan

This is a terrific mini documentary. Much appreciated! Thank you!

Vor 2 years
River Of Blacklights
River Of Blacklights

You ask what video you should make next? That's easy - It's sacrilege to not make a video discussing one of the best, immensely powerful, most beloved and yet most criminally underrated, ignored and overlooked bands in *_ALL_* of Post Punk/Goth - *_THE CHAMELEONS._* That should be the next video in line. Hands down. Period. *_THE CHAMELEONS RULE..._*

Vor 2 years
Carlos Berrios
Carlos Berrios

Spot on! 👌

Vor 2 years
jsprite123
jsprite123

I'm a simple guy. I love Just Like Heaven and Friday I'm In Love to bits. So what if they are sugarly pop, they are 2 songs that move my soul. In the end, no matter how it was actually made or for what purpose, what really matters in a song is how it makes you feel.

Vor year
Daniel Fourie
Daniel Fourie

Saw them live in Cape Town, South Africa earlier this year! They sounded amazing, but their stage presence was terrible and they barely spoke to the crowd😭

Vor 2 years
Kolby Kauffman
Kolby Kauffman

I feel like in my lifetime, The Cure are one of those lightning-in-a-bottle projects that influenced everyone. Especially the hard rock circuit late 90's/early 00's. Everybody remembers the Icons event where Deftones covered "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep". Bands like Atreyu proudly referencing them in a song here and there, they were in South Park at the beginning of it's storied career. And I can't tell you how many girls I've dated or been around who love 'Just Like Heaven'. It really says something that I haven't ever really heard anyone say that they 'hate' The Cure. Something about Robert and the boys just hit the ground running and it's awesome. Just great songwriting, great production, and great execution.

Vor 2 years
Anarcho Vegan
Anarcho Vegan

Thanks for the vid, The Cure is my favorite band and the best I've ever seen live.

Vor 2 years
Trevor Paul
Trevor Paul

Standing a Beach was my first record I ever bought, still a great album. These are brilliant docs. Well done

Vor year
David Mentalist
David Mentalist

U should have said more about one of their best melancholic, dark, gloomy works, Faith and one of the most beautiful acts in music, Kiss me kiss me kiss me

Vor 2 years
First
First

I've had so many different favourite Cure albums. Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, Seventeen Seconds, Disintegration, Japanese Whispers, Head On The Door, and even The Top(!) have each been my fav at different points in my life. Current fav is Faith. Most other bands I just have one fav album.

Vor 2 years
Dafne Martinez
Dafne Martinez

I really love the trash theory narrator's voice, thank you man, you make listening to this great videos even better!

Vor year
Xero_Chance
Xero_Chance

cuT HEre is, has and always will be the antidote to my pre-death. Thank you for portraying them in such a lightful manner.

Vor 2 years
Will Herondale
Will Herondale

Honestly one of my all time favourite bands

Vor 2 years
tnm140
tnm140

Disengration is the best album ever made! I literally listened to everyday in one way or another for 20 plus years

Vor 6 Monate
Illtempo 1980
Illtempo 1980

Disintegration is the best album ever made

Vor 2 years
BrandNewEye
BrandNewEye

I agree, although the song disintegration would've such an epic closer to the legendary album, that untitled and homesick seemed unnecessary, although they are both amazing songs!

Vor year
tashearlgrey
tashearlgrey

Bizarre, as I remember at the time, a lot of music critics were saying Disintegration was a weaker album than what had come before. I loved it, but my goth friends were scathing of it.

Vor year
Thread Bomb
Thread Bomb

I think Disintegration would be even better if it lost a couple of the weaker tracks (I'm thinking of Last Dance and Homesick).

Vor year
Pansophical lighthouse
Pansophical lighthouse

Seventeen Seconds is! NO CONTEST

Vor year
Von Mollestein
Von Mollestein

Ehhh........the walk ep is best

Vor year
The Monster MW
The Monster MW

Love your videos :) thank you for the hard work and creativity

Vor year
Idiot Who Edits
Idiot Who Edits

A new cure album is coming out either this year or early 2020, so the question is ? Will it be Pop or Goth ?

Vor 2 years
jmr0812
jmr0812

It will likely be a combination of both as so many of their albums have been. I just hope that it finally comes out soon as we've all been waiting for over twelve years now for a/the new album!

Vor year
Michael Bass
Michael Bass

His next album will be a gothic country album

Vor 2 years
rosie muffins
rosie muffins

i read somewhere it will come out in october and will be disintegration 2.0

Vor 2 years
rosie muffins
rosie muffins

i hope like 17 seconds, pornography, faith, disintegration type music. those four are my favorites. more than anything i hope it comes out

Vor 2 years
Prometheus3231
Prometheus3231

didn’t he say many of the tracks were around 9 minutes long? my dream for it is to sound similar to to be kind by swans with long build ups

Vor 2 years
N Dines
N Dines

Robert Smith is such an interesting man and a great musician. The Cure are genius! ❤️❤️ I can’t wait to hear their new album!

Vor year
Colin Sullivan
Colin Sullivan

Disintegration is great and may be the Cure's biggest album, but my favorites are all from the early post-punk and "pop" Japanese Whispers period, when my musical tastes first formed. Good luck finding "Killing an Arab" on iTunes, though (even though the song is about Albert Camus' novel, The Stranger.)

Vor 2 years
Nicolas DUBOS
Nicolas DUBOS

Seriously. After all Smith's explantions about that song, some people still don't get it ? wow

Vor 2 years
René Moncayo
René Moncayo

Colin Sullivan carnage visors

Vor 2 years
Livid Imp
Livid Imp

This is exactly why I'll never rely on some soulless corporate entity to archive my music collection. There is tons of great music that is socially disapproved of one form or another, and therefor unavailable. Buy records/CDs, fuck iTunes.

Vor 2 years
Heather Holt
Heather Holt

There will never be music like we had in the past. True talent.

Vor 2 years
Iván Jovel
Iván Jovel

Really great and well researched video, loved it!

Vor year
SupahFans Streetwear
SupahFans Streetwear

such a good career review of an amazing band led by authentically creative genius Robert Smith

Vor year
Casey Hamm
Casey Hamm

I feel like saying they “went back” to goth has always overlooked some of their non-single songs. It ignores how dark kiss me got at times. And in my head, disintegration’s never been a goth album. It’s not as doom and gloom as pornography even if it isn’t as bright and poppy as the head on the door. And then it just “immediately” moved back to happy with wish. Nah, I don’t buy it. I think disintegration is helpless misunderstood as an album

Vor 2 years
Calla
Calla

After Wild Mood Swings came out, I realized no matter what mood ( no pun intended) I was in, there was an album I could listen to. The variety unique, and knowing Robert is right there guiding the way is both eerily uncomfortable yet, excitable.

Vor year
Vampirebear13
Vampirebear13

I've just found your channel & this is the 3rd video I've watched & has been the most enjoyable so far. But the thing you missed about Disintegration is, at the time Robert thought his wife was going to leave him & he went headlong into a major drinking binge while taking gobs of acid. Robert Smith's wife staying in his life is the only thing keeping him alive.

Vor 2 years
DC
DC

Cure is without doubt the best live band of all times. They are just incredible. My favorite band of all time

Vor year

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