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Comanche: We're the bad asses of the open plain. White Settlers: Hold my beer, whilst I shoot this guy and steal his land, suckers.
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100 years ago only the rich had cars and the poor rode horses , now everyone has a car and only the rich can afford to keep a horse ...... How the stables have changed
Draw a line from the gobi desert due west. That's horses, apples, cattle, and oddly-- expert gold smithing.
Hard to believe that with around 30 thousand people and 5 thousand were warriors. That theyre were no artist or dancers or free spirits. Love this series and love hearing native culture. On one hand I hate what happened. And on the other I wouldnt be alive if it didnt
Joe 'Originnnnnanannly' Rogan
Europeans re-introduced life after the dinosaurs were made extinct
"didn't want to teach the Indians in Mexico or the Indians in North America"... Take a gander at a Continental map and a historical map. Professor, there was no Mexico in 1680. And Mexico is in North America.
The Horse culture of the plains Indians was a mere blip in history. Barely 200 years from beginning to end. The entire event can be attributed to the Spanish reintroducing the horse to the new world.
He said Mexico and North America like they’re different places
I always thought that the Comanche or Numunuu as i believe they call themselves got their horses from the Pueblo indians after they separated from the shoshoni at the beginning of the 18th century.
The shoshone tribe split over the horse. Part of the tribe wanted to take the horse and increase their hunting and raiding territories and part of the Shoshonis wanted to stay in their traditional home. I have sat in ceremony with the last Comanche code talker Charles Chibitty and knew the last powerful powerful Comanche Medicine Man Woogie Watchtaker. Be Blessed
ok horses evolved in the US? Who introduced them to the Egyptians etc, are historians actually saying the Egyptians sailed across the Atlantic and bought back horses and cocaine?
Once again we are getting the European version of history. Which always describes the indigenous people as violent and in deeming terms "short bowlegged". And he is wrong about the horse. The Spaniards granted the Tlaxcalan people of Mexico the right to ride horses, before they marched to the southwest. So indigenous people were riding alongside the Spaniards when they went through Texas and New Mexico. If you notice the central story revolves around the kidnapping of a white women, no surprise there. The key word here is RAID. They did not kill women and children every day for kicks. Mostly they wanted to TRADE for goods. As a matter of fact they controlled most of the trade before Americans went to Texas. Guess who wanted to control the Trade. But that won't sell a book. Lastly why did he not include the views of the descendants of the Comanches? I would call that an incomplete history.
the comanche were the real deal my maternal gr gr granfather was a tex ranger who fought the camanche.
I like horses
Sparta had great dancers, athletes and religious rituals. It might remind you of Lakedaimon, but what do you know about it?
Wrong we had horses before Columbus plenty of archeological and DNA proving it
My ancestors from Zacatecas, from the chichimeca natives, were some of the first natives tribes to fight back against natives using horse ware fare. They hunted the Spanish for 20 years before being properly assimilated with gifts from the spanish
The horse was the second wave of devastation on North American Natives. The first was disease. Then those tribes that adopted the horse became raiding cultures and due to their massive increase in range, they wiped out everyone else in a generation. The Comanche aren't from Texas. The people that were, they died at their hands and those of the Apache as well.
What horse technology? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to sit a man on a horse or wrangle a rope around a horse to lead it around.
Navajo always has horses before these peeps ...
When the water says run you run. when the sun says set you sit. eventually if youre lucky you can forget where your keys are, and check in every drawer twice.
Sounds plausible, when pigs can fly!
This guy was desperate for money so he did a book on Indians...he is clueless...Cherokee war short and bully you wouldn't think they are good riders...he says...what about mongols..you bitch...they were the same...living in plains..bulky...but one of the mis feared riders and warriors in history...this guy is nobody
Lol this guy is talking through his arse. He hasnt got a clue what he's on about.
so much for the stereotype of the peaceful harmonious indian in tune with nature that liberals love
There's one autistic kid in Nebraska who's learned how to tame the next wild animal for 'Murican warfare from playing Fortnite
other tribes : we dance and make arts the Comanches : we go Mongols on you
Disease and deceit destroyed the natives. The Europeans couldn’t physically handle them.
How many chromosomes do you have?
Elizabeth Warren must be very proud of her Comanche heritage !
“The Comanche were a bow legged, short, unimpressive people compared to other tribes.” So they became a horse people because it was their only chance to have power.
The Navajo drove them toward Texas but ended up being intermittently raided by them after they got horses.
This probably is true. When at war and pressured people will do whatever they need to survive. They saw this resource, understood the power of it, and as a people strove to control it to great effect.
So basically Comanche are North American Afghans.
Dogs and sleds. Seem to work for the Ingines. On the great plains. For thousands of years. Whatever works...right?
Little did they know the Africans had horse technology the whole time 👀
sefp actually one of the reasons Europeans didn’t colonize central Africa sooner is that their horses would contract this disease called “African Horse Sickness” or “AHS” that had a near 75% mortality rate and made it impossible for them to reach the interior of the continent. Also it made it impossible for Africans to use horses stolen from the Europeans to fight back “It was one of the major diseases that slowed the European colonization of Africa,” Brown says. “As they took horses into the interior, the horses died.” https://thehorse.com/128415/african-horse-sickness-fighting-a-foreign-foe/
They did. Some Africans fought and won battles against Europeans on horseback during colonisation
Saying horses went extinct makes it sound like a natural thing. They were eaten to death by the local populations.
@Mbern45 Those are some weasel words if I've ever heard them. "...because we kind of operate outside the natural order of things" That's the most vapid statement ever. Either we evolved naturally, or we didn't. If we evolved naturally, then we're a part of the natural order of things. Claiming humans as exceptional because of our intelligence doesn't bely the fact that we evolved under the same principles as all other life on earth. That is the very definition of speciesism.
@Irish Identity Not necessarily. It's unlikely that dinosaurs went extinct because of being hunted for example. Humans are unique because we kind of operate outside the natural order of things and there are mass extinctions all around the planet whenever we first arrive, we see it in Australia for example. We continue to be the biggest drivers of extinction even to this day and I would not call us part of the natural world because of how we alter the environment around us.
Isn't all extinction a function of being preyed upon? Unless a species is an apex predator, which horses aren't, something is always going to try to eat them. It certainly is a natural thing to be eaten by predators. What difference does it make if it was humans or jaguars?
What people need to realise is that the native Americans/first nation people were literally living in the stone age by the time Europeans arrived. Think about that. All of the history based around the development of technology that defined the growth and eventual dominance of Europeans completely passed the native Americans by. No guns or gunpowder, no swords, no shields, no armour, no battle formations, no sturctured military, no ships, no compasses, no 'horse technology' (first time hearing it put like that but it'll suffice) no astronomy, no written word, not even the wheel... What they had was a magnificent culture, far beyond any Europeans as far as spirituality goes, and is one that I admire but in essence, all they had were wall paintings and stories passed down by their elders. The poor bastards never stood a chance. .
@Mattiac1980 Good one mate, u learn something new every day ;-) Thanks for the info
In reality there wasn’t that much of a disparity. The Spanish had a hard time fighting the natives, and some people say that it was only the germs that brought them out on top.
Wrong! They used astronomy: https://twitter.com/brettachapman/status/1102253051337998337
You should read 1491 by Charles C Mann
The Pronghorn is the second fastest animal on earth, after cheetahs. It's been assumed that there had to be a super fast predator in the N. America Plains that preyed on the Pronghorns that drove them to evolve as faster runners.
I thought the Portuguese brought horses to North America ?
This is going to be a bit long winded. I think the author vastly underestimates the military effectiveness, the economic and political influence of the Eastern Tribes prior to the American Revolution and War of 1812. If you look at Braddock's defeat, the massacre at Ft William Henry, or much later, Wayne's defeat in the Ohio territory, it's clear that with few exceptions, the Warriors of the Iroquois, Ottawa and other Eastern tribes were superior to Europeans in the type of warfare that existed on the frontier and the casualty rate among the Europeans was horrible. The competition for alliances with the powerful tribes to access the fur trade allowed the the tribes to demand ready access to firearms, the trade guns of the period aptly suited for their preferred method of warfare. The reality is that both the French, Dutch and English were reliant on these alliances at least until the end of the French and Indian Wars. The Spanish tried to colonize in an entirely different fashion than the English, and later, the Americans. The Spanish tended to send official expeditions with promises of large land grants, the English and Americans was just of flood of settlers looking for opportunities and with little official organization. The Americans that went to Texas were initially invited to populate that area and help fight the Plains tribes. There was also a big difference is access to firearms. If the East, tribes were armed by the various European tribes to defend both the fur trade and their territorial claims against the other European powers. That stopped at the end of the War of 1812, although there were no laws that prohibited the sale of firearms to the Native tribes. I think the notion that Plains tribes used bows because they were more effective is a stretch. The reality was more that they used them because they were readily available. If you look at the large decisive battles on the Plains, from the Second Battle of Adobe Wall to Custer, the side that was better armed with firearms won. I would also point out that by the time of Quanah, the Comanche had been reduced to fleeing the Texas Rangers and US Calvary. There was not a lot of fighting or casualties during the Red River War on either side. If you are interested in histories of the early Frontier, I recommend Allan Eckert's "Wilderness Empire" and "The Frontiersman".
At the Second Battle of Adobe Walls Billy Dixon made a 7/8 of a mile shot with a .50 caliber Sharps with open sights either killing or knocking an Indian off his horse and that shot convinced Quanta Parker that the buffalo hunters were too well armed to continue the attack.
👏👏 well said sir
The natives didn’t utilize the horse and they didn’t even create the wheel until they saw Europeans
Aimee12345 B what would they use the wheel for without any draft animals and no horses until the europeans arrived
Poo eater europeans closely guarded poo
Ok but , why the long face .
I could listen to this guy all day! ........I love his knowledge & frankness.
It wasn't until the Pueblo Revolt (Pope's Rebellion) of 1680 near Santa Fe that the horse came into significant use and influence among the Plains Indians changing their way of life for ever. It would be fascinating to learn how the Comanche became such skilled horseman.
Joe, you should have Wes Studi on the show to share his view of Native America.
I was born in the Chinese year of the Horse, my mexican last name is Zavala (owner of many horse), my Irish, Caffery, goes back Gaelic (rider of the steads)... I am horse technology... For the horse is a universal symbol of forward progression, as it os not in the nature of a horse to go backwards....
You heard it folks...straight from the horses mouth..
Finally I’ve found the information I need at 6am and now I can sleep.
and you can eat em :)
Two white guys trade their limited and biased knowledge of ancient indigenous society.
Clendon Pete I was scrolling down the comments guessing how long it would take me to find the racist sjw
This fella is full of shit .
Ya joe rogan been saying a lot of dumb shit lately
This guy is racist AF. We were not and are not all a bunch of savages, Some of us were peaceful and traded with one another, like he says @ 2:57. If you watch the whole interview he is really pushing that we were all bat shit crazy and just killed each other all the time. There were also millions of us until we were almost all slaughtered. And we are NOT Indians for fucksakes.
what about the indians in india
I once rode a pony at the fair.
I got the impression that this guy had no business writing a book about the Comanches. He didn’t seem to know much at all. At one point they are saying it was only three lifetimes ago that Quanah Parker and the Comanches were roaming the Southern Plains and then ten minutes later, Rogan asks whether he interviewed any Comanches for the book, he says it was too long ago for anyone to know anything. Huh? Most tribes have Oral History passed down to present generations.
Deez whiteboyz writing Native American history n shit SMH
There are hundreds of documents proving Spaniards taught indians about the use of horses as soon as they conquered them, this guy is full of shit
The Comanches were once in the basin and mountains with the Shoshones, but the horses allowed them to come onto the plains.
Comanches were originally Shoshone. They were being driven out of the wind River by the Blackfeet, the Crow, and the Lakota. Some of them went south where they were introduced to horses by the Pueblo.
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