Secrets of Western, Semi & Eastern Grips - The Ultimate Guide to Grips (2 of 3)

  • Am Vor 9 Monate

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    We'll explore the limiting mechanics of western, semi, and eastern grips to understand strikezones and which shots play to your strengths. This is part 2 (this builds on part 1 if you haven't watched it already.)
    Here is part 1: de-film.com/v-video-kDiTDJc8Y7g.html
    Referencing the Reverse Forehand Lesson: de-film.com/v-video-J1XavjjC6b8.html
    Referencing the Fix your Aim Lesson: de-film.com/v-video-f3Xo7CjP5KA.html
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JD G
JD G

Is there one grip that's better for lefties?

Vor 16 Tage
JD G
JD G

15 Points Of Tennis Thanks so much for the response man. Your videos and curiosity about details of the game are awesome. I will say that as a lefty the ball often curves into your forehand. It is therefore critical to avoid getting jammed. I love Federers flatter swing path but it requires that separation you mention in this video which can be tough if the ball dives in towards your body after the bounce. I therefore have sometimes wondered if it makes more sense for a lefty to go a bit more extreme with the grip allowing a strike zone closer to the body. I try it and go back like you. Never thought about it before your video though! Food for thought.

Vor 15 Tage
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

That’s an interesting question... from a technique standpoint my guess is no but a stylistic standpoint against righties playing heavy spin crosscourt to the BH is quite common. Most lefties I’ve played were more western.

Vor 15 Tage
alfprieto
alfprieto

Extremely useful info thx

Vor 2 Monate
JK Lee
JK Lee

Very informative. I am curious if there is differnce in swing path between eastern and semi-western.

Vor 5 Monate
Reset Case
Reset Case

Hola amigo soy de Cucuta N. S. Y me gustaría jugar a nivel competitivo el tenis. O a manera profesional. Para ejercitarme mas. Sabes como hago para hacerle ?

Vor 5 Monate
jim
jim

Great stuff!!

Vor 5 Monate
Wolle O
Wolle O

Excellent video, like your explanations 👍

Vor 5 Monate
studfindingball
studfindingball

Just bump it back like McEnroe, IF you just play rec dubs. VERY low maintenance, (easiest backswing to time) easy on the body, and very steady. Continental grip handles the slow, low junk balls of dubs best and hits a wide forehand without having to get ahead of the ball.. If you play singles, play like Djokovic.

Vor 7 Monate
Sameer Verma
Sameer Verma

Well explained.

Vor 7 Monate
tvtotalforever
tvtotalforever

This is why my forehand sucks... 😅 i am always kinda in between eastern and semi Western and get cought up in changing the swings and not getting any consistency . Thanks mate!

Vor 7 Monate
myviews
myviews

You should include where the grip is because I am still waiting for you to talk about t semi western grip

Vor 7 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

I see grips as a spectrum so the pros and cons of semi are dampened at the extremes

Vor 7 Monate
Grahame Merifield
Grahame Merifield

what a great video! Thank you, Steven.

Vor 8 Monate
OldSkool
OldSkool

thing is.... semi western and eastern naturally feel right to the human body. But full western feels sooo wrong. I am an experienced player... not someone who just tried it 2 days ago. Western grip is just not a natural feeling for how to hold a racket. Even if you spend years getting used to it.... you will always have some natural feel missing compared to a player with semi-western or eastern (or even a grip between the two such as Agassi's).

Vor 8 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

Agreed.. as a kid I’d watch Nadal hit crazy topspin and would try to copy without any understanding of mechanics. Can be a slippery slope sometimes...

Vor 8 Monate
TIM
TIM

thanks for the videos.  with all this said, would you recommend a kid/boy learning tennis start with a semi western and try to have him stick with it, esp given the modern game or is an eastern ok?  I think my son will have a long tennis life ahead of him but just didn't want him creep into a western grip as many kids do.    man, I've been using an strong eastern grip and trying to hammer/slap it Fognini style, but didn't know how big of a diff this makes

Vor 8 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

I think semi western is a great option... see the “Fix your Aim” video IMO I just want players to make “keeping everything straight” at contact a habit... Barry Bonds learning to hit at a young age would always choke up on the heavy bats so he got this so intuitively... but yeah, eastern is tough for high balls which is all he will see as a young player. And IMO winning is a huge motivator so that needs to be balanced w improving although, Eastern grip will train good habits. Some of the best FH ever have been eastern so if he has long term aspirations to be good that helps the early struggles... also IMO racquet choice makes a difference in swing development... wish your son the best, lmk how it goes!

Vor 8 Monate
L Cervantes
L Cervantes

This is be why drop shoulder. This lesson helped transform high forehand city, crushed match point. Grip change made it.

Vor 8 Monate
GOAT
GOAT

really well made video. you have a good tennis iq

Vor 8 Monate
L Cervantes
L Cervantes

Switched to a semi-western to rip a high forehand for match point winner. This shit works.

Vor 8 Monate
jay b
jay b

Exceptional video explaining shot mechanics. Great job. Sometime we need videos like this to refer to during those out of sync moments where we cannot figure out why our swing are ineffective and absolute Sh.......t. lols This very much allow us to take a moment and go back to the basics and allow one to get back to proper form. Keep up the good work and thank you for creating these videos to share with the public.

Vor 8 Monate
L Cervantes
L Cervantes

Good lesson. Puts hitting the ball at different heights into perspective by changing grips and keeping the arm in its socket. Also keep the arm in its socket/ power position by dropping that shoulder (Federer).

Vor 8 Monate
ohnoitsmchl
ohnoitsmchl

Great video. You said Nadal uses a full western forehand, when it seems more like he is using extreme semi western (in between semi-western and western). Regardless, I've noticed the closer to continental the forehand grip goes (full continental, Australian (in between continental and Eastern), Eastern, extreme Eastern, and some semi-western forehands), the elbow is almost to completely straight. Alternatively, the closer to extreme western the grip becomes (most semi westerns, extreme semi-western, full western, extreme western), the more bent the elbow is. How and why is Nadal able to keep his elbow fully straight at contact like Federer, Del Potro, etc. while using a grip close to full western? Thanks

Vor 8 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

Great catch!! I went back and watched the slow mo frames and now that you mention it, it looks more semi western than even western according to how I define it in the video. I posted a screenshot of the 15pointsoftennis Instagram but seems to be what I call a fake western grip :). Interesting how he cocks his wrist further back than normal, plus the excessive reverse forehand, plus the extra use of bicep creates the illusion of western grip but close up in terms of the palm at contact not a full western at all. Therefore he can hit most balls in his strike zone at close to full extension. Thanks for your insight here!

Vor 8 Monate
Thumper baby Bambi
Thumper baby Bambi

Jack sock is great

Vor 8 Monate
Shubham
Shubham

Hi, Whenever I go to the court , I'm just only hitting the ball there is only a little bit of improvement. Days passed but I can't see any major improvement in spin or footwork. Can you please help me with this. Love u nd ur videos!!!

Vor 9 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

Thanks for watching. Yes, I’ve been there. You need to acquire and knowledge and implement it slowly over time. Otherwise doing the same thing everyday or random things everyday will either give you the same result or development this is haphazard and frustrating. Agreed, seek out a coach who is somewhat technical.. I will I was a student of the game before I tried to get good at the game.

Vor 8 Monate
Lee DuFour
Lee DuFour

An instructor could really help you, if you're willing to put in the time and effort, I could probably help you but I've never see you play so that makes it quite difficult. I can recommend only working on 1 or 2 things at a time, and also progressions.

Vor 8 Monate
James Choi
James Choi

Your lesson are very in-depth and I learn so much from them. Do you recommend changing grips depending on shots? For example, semi in most situations but switch to western on high balls, eastern on running forehand, etc?

Vor 9 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

No, I don’t recommend changing. IMO tennis is too instinctual to calculate what grip to switch to on top of all the other variables. Plus it tinkers w your swing mechanics and contact point slightly.

Vor 8 Monate
Lee DuFour
Lee DuFour

using a semi-western should be fine for all balls high and low, you can also practice tilting your shoulders for higher balls, it will raise your contact point. Like always what's most important is good technique.

Vor 8 Monate
Henry M.
Henry M.

Your knowledge of the game is very good for someone so young. To be even more effective, perhaps, try to improve the way you talk. You often sound like you have candy or food in your mouth while talking.

Vor 9 Monate
Ooouuuv
Ooouuuv

Ur getting the information that's all that matters

Vor 7 Monate
Christian Milon
Christian Milon

I tend to use a modified eastern grip in between semi and eastern which gives you a medium grip which can accommodate most height of balls. I am not too kin on using different grips though on higher balls I may go a bit more western

Vor 9 Monate
Christian Milon
Christian Milon

Good stuff

Vor 9 Monate
Marcos Murakami
Marcos Murakami

Great video!!!!!

Vor 9 Monate
helmeteye
helmeteye

Excellent vid. I loved when you showed depth from the front and the side. Using that side camera angle to demonstrate depth was very informative. I hit eastern and never realized, when I've messed around with western, that the western grip had such a different depth at ball contact. So many on line instructors don't understand the limitations of two dimensional screens.

Vor 9 Monate
helmeteye
helmeteye

About 9:20 in I was getting distracted by the palm frond hanging from the telephone line.

Vor 9 Monate
jedzenio
jedzenio

This young guy is so good 👍🏻

Vor 9 Monate
SomeNewJonas
SomeNewJonas

Man, you are a sharp kid! I love your technical explanations here. And what you do better than your competitors online is "Tell me, show me and then tell me what you showed me". Your video real life examples are excellent!

Vor 9 Monate
ProfessorBoooty
ProfessorBoooty

why u cant just put ur left shoulder down to hit a high balls with estern grip ?

Vor 9 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

I’ve found it difficult bc the hand is on top of the grip for eastern/continental

Vor 8 Monate
Neil Martinez
Neil Martinez

Wow, great explanation and great knowledge when playing against a western player, seems easier now to get them off their game with low to mid balls

Vor 9 Monate
TNToncourt
TNToncourt

It all makes sense. Great video.Thanks.

Vor 9 Monate
TheRob2D
TheRob2D

Dude, your videos are SO good.

Vor 9 Monate
stan140574
stan140574

2 question where is your lesson how to hit a hammer shot with step and second do you have any private lesson I am a member my name is Stanley email address stan140574@gmail.com

Vor 9 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

Hammer Shot to Win with Lazy Feet - Tennis Lesson https://youtu.be/FYwuKWEA9gE an older video but I do mention the hammer briefly.

Vor 8 Monate
Alberto Zabeo
Alberto Zabeo

U are the best

Vor 9 Monate
bryan chaler
bryan chaler

This is honestly the best video on youtube for this subtopic, well down.

Vor 9 Monate
SkyreeXScalabar
SkyreeXScalabar

I sense continental grip in next video

Vor 9 Monate
J. Boogie
J. Boogie

Your videos are always great but the production quality is getting great

Vor 9 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

Thanks! Trying my best :)

Vor 8 Monate
Wally Friend
Wally Friend

Thanks for the video and I think this video is better than the 1st. I use a semi-western grip and I do have a slight problem with low balls. Basically, I either break my wrist to hit a weaker shot or move further away and use a circular swing path that produces a lot more pace but really flat ball. I will do either depending on where I am on court. But you are right that I don't have much trouble with high balls although I'm sure that the western grip would be a better choice here. The semi-western seems to be what most coaches recommend because it is believed that it provides the best range in ball height.

Vor 9 Monate
Lee DuFour
Lee DuFour

you can hit the low ball a little bit better by using the wrist more on the semi-western, getting a bit more topspin to spin those balls in that way you aren't taking a ton of pace away.

Vor 8 Monate
Penn Su
Penn Su

Quality content!!!!

Vor 9 Monate
tennis 92
tennis 92

Steven I enjoy a lot your videos. Still it's not so clear what you do at impact. You seem to advice a firm wrist at contact (especially in a few of your past videos you speak about this) but we all know that the pronation of the forearm and therefore a certain amount of wrist release (commonly called snap, but I don' t really like this word) happens before impact. The question is: how does the release before contact relates to your firm wrist at impact? Maybe by firm you don't mean locked? I'd appreciate you taking the time to clarify this concept

Vor 9 Monate
tennis 92
tennis 92

@15 Points Of Tennis yeah it'd be great if you can dedicate a video about this. Love your channel. Thanks for the answer

Vor 8 Monate
15 Points Of Tennis
15 Points Of Tennis

Thx for watching! The wrist fires at contact.. the last piece of the kinetic chain which focuses the energy into the ball. Needs to stay firm enough to keep the racquet head quiet and stable through contact. Understandably, lots of different definitions thrown around that make his confusing... agreed, I’ll need to dedicate a video to this in the future.

Vor 8 Monate
frank mancuso
frank mancuso

People need to use there brains and not be so grip fixated. People need to play tennis more like a dance

Vor 9 Monate
Lee DuFour
Lee DuFour

I believe Frank means if people focused on footwork, as much as they did what is the perfect grip, maybe we would have some US Grand slam winners in the last decade.

Vor 8 Monate
maccajoe
maccajoe

Lol wut poor comparison what type are you talking about? Contemporary freestyle or a chroigraphed routine???

Vor 9 Monate

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