Piper PA28 EXPERIENCES HEAVY WAKE TURBULENCE | Emergency Lands at JFK

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Thanks to Samuel for sharing his experience with VASAviation. Kudos to him and JFK TWR for his assistance. Samuel has sent more footage showing the battery condition in the back being all burnt out. Thank God control cables were not affected so he could continue to safely fly the aircraft down into JFK. May this video be useful to take conscience of how dangerous wake turbulence is. No matter the aircraft ahead or the aircraft you're flying - it might affect more or less heavily - but it is all dangerous and we must be alert.

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Siya Aviation
Siya Aviation

@Will George Shut up

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Will George
Will George

No muppet that flies a little single under a slow and dirty 777 in landing configuration during its final stages of approach deserves kudos. Negligent, disgraceful and deserves his ticket to be pulled. Could have killed everyone - nearly did.

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Mr Jones
Mr Jones

Perhaps manufacturers should reconsider the location of the battery

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phil naegely
phil naegely

@ElvianEmpire easier for him to make one right turn rather than almost a 270 turn or so?

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ElvianEmpire
ElvianEmpire

hey, could you ask samuel why he decided to change for 13R instead of staying on 04L?

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David Shaker
David Shaker

Great job Samuel.. You were cool under pressure and brought your people home safe. Also Kudos to the ATC he didn't even hesitate and gave the pilot a couple options

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Vincent Vuoto
Vincent Vuoto

I've been flying the south shore transition under the Bravo for years and always wondered if any GA aircraft ever encountered a wake. Glad everyone was ok. Great job!

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DOBERMAN PAC
DOBERMAN PAC

Brilliant recovery

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Lee Curran
Lee Curran

Pilot and ATC both Owned it like a boss.

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Evan M
Evan M

Pretty textbook example of how to handle smoke/fire in the cockpit. Great job Sam!

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Ryan Than
Ryan Than

Dude I'm straight and I'm IN LOVE with this freaking ATC lol, he's as smooth as the jetways.

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Pedro Salvatori
Pedro Salvatori

nice work man

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matador luis
matador luis

Whyyyyyy Samuel!!???? 😬😬🙉

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NextGen MythBuster
NextGen MythBuster

Well done and good result! Both the pilot and controller knew the severity and acted appropriately. Good job on everyone’s part!

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Tom K
Tom K

Very professional and calm conduct by all parties. Beautifully executed emergency. Thanks for sharing.

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WhisperJet America
WhisperJet America

Always Something...

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Gambo G
Gambo G

Why wasn't the battery securely fastened in the back of the aircraft. That scenario is totally baffling to me, wouldn't a loose battery bouncing about be a maintenance issue warranting the plane to be grounded!!

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Graham’s Aviation
Graham’s Aviation

Holy cow - fantastic way to handle the emergency. Pilot seemed to have remained calm, stated his intentions. The controller immediately jumped in. Great job by all

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souocara38
souocara38

I'll skip over all the positives because everybody else is covered that but shouldn't the battery be tied down so this can't happen? Did a battery restraint fail?

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schmegle1
schmegle1

Excellent work Sam

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Kyle Jenkin
Kyle Jenkin

Wow, well done by the pilot! Declared an emergency, turned towards the closest field, turned off the master and put the thing on the ground. Wasn't intimidated by landing at JFK and also wasn't shy about going in NORDO to allow him to turn off the master.

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Will George
Will George

Fly a small single under a slow and heavy 777 in landing configuration? Dumb as rocks.

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Christopher Parks
Christopher Parks

Amusing that while the Piper’s data block shows its tail number you chose to block the N number there at the end.

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Christopher Parks
Christopher Parks

@VASAviation - , I don’t know why your gaslighting me. You clearly covered the Piper’s registration (N-number) with your logo from 3:48 until the end of the camera phone vid whenever it was visible. You’ve always had a great channel and provide an excellent service to not just the aviation community by the general public as a whole. That’s why it is so bizarre for you to behave this way. YOU covered up the logo, now YOU are saying that what is plainly evident to anyone who watches that you did not. I have no idea what you hope to accomplish by lying about it.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

VASAviation logo is NOT blocking the tail number. Check your eyesight.

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Christopher Parks
Christopher Parks

@VASAviation - Okay, I’m checking it. If I skew to 3:48 to the phone video there’s “VASAviation” blocking the tail number frame by frame.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Amusing that I didn't block the N-number. Check your eyesight.

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Markus
Markus

tbh amazing reaction by ATC JFK is the best equipped airport and the closest to handle any emergency, even from GA aircraft From an ARFF perspective it might be a little overkill to use the big trucks, but that's just procedure, I like how they still line up behind the aircraft is with any big jet

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Mitchell Kilby
Mitchell Kilby

Awesome work from atc and pilot

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Glenn Johnston
Glenn Johnston

Good job by all.

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SomeGuy_isHere
SomeGuy_isHere

Very nice execution and decision making. Thanks for sharing. This channel is extremely valuable to aviation. Great job!

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TheBadgerPilot
TheBadgerPilot

Great awareness all around! ATC recognized he might want to climb to avoid the wake turbulence and offered a Bravo clearance without being asked. Pilot clearly had some urgency in his voice but still sounded calm and was clear. Did the right thing and declared right away. Excellent work all the way around!

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EIF Franklin Goh
EIF Franklin Goh

has a fire behind him and voice as calm as anything. brilliant

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Flight Hours
Flight Hours

Well done man, way to stay calm and make decisions

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madrabbitt
madrabbitt

Great job to EVERYONE.

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james caley
james caley

What type of battery and is it not secured? Should be secure for the rated load factor.

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Josh Howell
Josh Howell

Textbook emergency handling by pilot and controller! Awesome!

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Michael Risica
Michael Risica

This guy did everything right. Great job by both pilot and ATC.

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Mike Schultze
Mike Schultze

That my friends is a great ATC Controller and a cool level headed pilot. I've been in wake turbulence around heavy jet traffic in the San Francisco Bay Area. It hits so fast, you barely have time to react and then its flown thru.

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heinrichmartin
heinrichmartin

I kept waiting for go-arounds on 4R. Can anyone explain why simultaneous landing on intersecting RWYs was possible? It is obvious that he can land on 13R without ever coming close to 4R, but shouldn't the departure route on a landing RWY be clear for an unexpected go-around? The controller didn't even mentioned this possibility explicitly when he cleared the second plane on 4R. It's hard to estimate the timing and margins for conflicting trajectories from the radar map.

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Monika S
Monika S

4R and 13R don't intersect

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BW Acuff
BW Acuff

oh....it's that atc who sounds like Kennedy Steve...I like this guy...he always sounds like he's on the "Pilots Team".

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Russell Gill
Russell Gill

Kudos and great admiration to to both the Pilot and to ATC. Great team work, great professionalism, and as a pilot, great to know that we have the greatest ATC team in the world as a resource and partner in handling the emergency effectively.

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Eric Jacobsen
Eric Jacobsen

Nicely done by all involved! Kudos to the pilot and the controller for making this an example of how it can be done.

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Bob Donovan
Bob Donovan

Every video you post is a valuable lesson learned. Thank you.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Glad to hear that!

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iVince905
iVince905

I’m curious to how wake can cause smoke in a ga aircraft?

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Maybe if you read...

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SpeedGeek
SpeedGeek

Amazing work by both pilot and controller. Well done Samuel, and glad you got to terra firma safely! Now... did you have to pay a landing fee? ;)

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Tyler Williamson
Tyler Williamson

Uneducated me before reading comment section: 😶‍🌫️ Me after 2 minutes in comment section: 🧑‍✈️✈️

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Charlie Baker
Charlie Baker

Well done by the pilot, I can only hope I'd react the same way.

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Shadow 133
Shadow 133

Piper sucks

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David Fifer
David Fifer

Glad everyone is safe. All concerned seem to have handled this emergency very professionally. Question from a non-pilot: Car and truck batteries are secured so they don't "shift around" no matter how violent the vehicle movement. It seems odd to me that an aircraft battery wasn't similarly secured. Is this typical?

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DasB00t
DasB00t

What an awesome job by all involved, that's how it should be handled. That includes VASAviation

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Paul Hood
Paul Hood

i am glad that he is safe. Of course he was responsible to miss the wake turbulence, the controller gave him the opportunity by allowing him to climb. I am not blaming the pilot, it happens but if you are flying in a small aircraft, near the big boy airports in NYC, you really have to be aware of what's going on. I know that the controllers would love to close that low level corridor, but of course that would really put a crimp in the sky line tour of NYC. Just happy everyone walked away from a scary event.

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Mike Ramsey
Mike Ramsey

According to the radar data, You crossed behind and below a Heavy within 1 mile of separation, absolute insanity on your part and you were very lucky that you didn't kill yourself and your passengers. Your incident highlights the "DANGER" in trying to skirt below the class B and pass behind and between HEAVY traffic. I have to compliment you on how calm you sounded on the radio after a traumatic encounter with the wake turbulence and glad you had a safe resolution to the emergency, but please don't do that again.

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bwakser
bwakser

Is it normal for an aircraft transitioning through the airspace to cross the approach path of a major airport? It looked like the Piper was very close to the Airbus and only 400 feet apart in altitude.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Yes, it is normal

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MrFloneil
MrFloneil

That pilot was so calm, it would have scared the shit of me if I were him

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turbo2ltr
turbo2ltr

Third incident out of FRG in the past month or 2.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

Glad that all is well with the pilot and pax, but I question his plan to fly beneath the 04R flightpath. When the 777 was on the Pipers nose, the Piper was 300. Not much separation from the down drifting vortices. May have been more prudent to cross further south of the FAF, where the inbounds are at 2000 ft. Would like to hear what opinions professional pilots have on this. We never stop learning.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@VASAviation - Do not believe so, it appears the corridors start at the southern tip of Manhattan, one on the West (Hudson River), the other on the East, (East River). Where he called in, East of the 04R appch, appears to be a route of flight chosen by the pilot.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@VASAviation - I found some charts depicting the Corridors on the Hudson and the East river. Nothing, depicting the area where this Piper called in. If you know of the charts, I would appreciate if you posted a link. Saludos.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

That's the VFR route for the NYC corridors

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Robert Hochwarth
Robert Hochwarth

Wake turbulence is no joke. That was way too close to be following a heavy airplane in a Piper. Easily avoidable but I’m sure the pilot won’t be making that mistake again.

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Andrew W
Andrew W

He didn't experience it, he chose not to avoid it when advised and flew right into it. Everything after he flew into the wake was textbook by all parties, why he flew right under the path and into the wake of a Heavy A/C is beyond me and against FAR protocol of 3 minutes. ATC even suggested he could climb a bit, 1,000ft would've put him over the falling wake.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

ATC suggested the climb after he passed the localizer

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SleekTruck22
SleekTruck22

I'm surprised at how kind and accomodating ATC was, especially at JFK. Well done pilot and atc.

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lilfuzzy5908
lilfuzzy5908

Why block the tail # in the video?🤣

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lilfuzzy5908
lilfuzzy5908

@VASAviation - go to 3:45 and look at the tail#......it has VASAviation blocking it....

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

You should definitely go check your sight because I didn't block that

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atcdude067
atcdude067

and this is why class Bravo airspace exists and why small planes should stay away from the large airports.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

No, this is not why

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Ryan S.
Ryan S.

Awesome job of exercising PIC authority. He knew what he needed and he made it happen. Well done.

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Owen Merrick
Owen Merrick

Good performance all around! I'd be interested in seeing the battery box pictures - why was the battery able to float around in its box? Normally there's wooden blocks or similar in the lid, to restrain the battery; were they missing?

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LouisPrudhomme
LouisPrudhomme

I'm sorry, but I'm failing to understand how such a flight path can be approved in the first place. I mean, I get it, ATC always warns us about wake turbulence, but does that mean it is then considered "acceptable" to have light SEL aircrafts flying a couple hundred feet below a HEAVY B777, in landing configuration? I mean, in this case you could warn him as much as you want, the pilot being focused is not going to change the fact that he will potentially be turned upside down by the phenomenon. I'm not familiar with the New York airspace, I realize it's very busy & complex. But from my young experience at international airports (I'm pretty VFR-familiar with CYUL/CYHU, CYQB), there is no way ATC would let me fly right below the approach path of YUL, even if I wanted to in the first place (which I don't, & most probably would refuse). I don't know, maybe I'm missing something here, don't get me wrong, my goal here is to understand how they work & educate myself. The emergency undeniably was handled perfectly, but at the end of the day, the pwhole oint of this great video is to understand how to avoid it. And from my initial POV, I feel like something is out of place here. If I understand correctly, 5DE was initially instructed to descend in order to fly below the Class B. Then, 5DE was cleared to climb into the Class B. Then, why not clearing him into the Class B in the first place, so he can fly AT OR ABOVE the altitude previously flown by the B777? Having an ATC's POV would be great. Because what this video seems to show, is that 5DE flew right through the expected, textbook, theory class, wake turbulence zone...

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Eagle201
Eagle201

@Samuel Porsche So obviously nothing learned here!!!

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Samuel Porsche
Samuel Porsche

@LouisPrudhomme yes, I will be requesting this for future flights!

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LouisPrudhomme
LouisPrudhomme

@Samuel Porsche you mean for above the trajectory? Yes I agree. But maybe above the field then. They manage to do it for photo flights (helicopters mainly).

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Samuel Porsche
Samuel Porsche

@LouisPrudhomme In case arriving traffic requires a “Go around” they need that airspace to be free of other traffic.

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LouisPrudhomme
LouisPrudhomme

@VASAviation - I understand, but THAT close though? I mean literally a very few hundred feet below the trajectory?

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19j
19j

In march 2020 I were training as a private pilot in Fort Lauderdale Executive (KFXE). One day there was a lot of traffic (business jets among them). We were waiting for landing clearance making 360 and other maneuvers. After approximately 15 minutes we were clear to land after some kind of "Lear Jet". I asked my instructor about wake turbulence because we were below jets glide slope. He said that's it's Ok and everything will be fine. On final approach we experienced an unexpected drop for something about 5-10 feet. I was pilot flying, so after that drop my instructor instinctively grabbed the yoke and looked at me with "big eyes". I said "It's not me, it's wake turbulence". I'm glad that I have such "low price" experience and you will never make me land after "Heavy" or fly below their flight pass. I will prefer to wait 3-5 minutes.

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Markus
Markus

and now try crossing though these wakes at a 90° angle... gonna be fun, 2 washing machines in the air flicking you around

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Linux Ninja
Linux Ninja

The tail number is in the radar portion of the video and on audio. Why obscure it at the end? N935DE is not a secret.

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

That's not what I obscured

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eaglen00b
eaglen00b

Battery becoming loose and shifting from wake turbulence? Sounds like a design flaw or maintenance issue to me. I'd expect the wings the come off first before the battery gets ripped off its mounting....?

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CaffeineGeek
CaffeineGeek

Great airmanship and textbook example of staying cool in an emergency. BTW, there are easier ways to get a full stop landing at JFK in your logbook. :-)

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Stas91
Stas91

I think that was a good call putting them on 13R. Emergencies are emergencies so if they had to 4L then so be it, but tower was able to make the best of both worlds. He was able to keep traffic flowing on 4L and 4R, plus gave the Piper his own whole runway with plenty of room to spare.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@Samuel Porsche - Sam, I retired from ATC after a long enjoyable career. When I first started in the USAF, based at Ramey AFB, Puerto Rico, now a civil airport, Aguadiila, PR. Most of the controllers were in the Aero Club, so, joined and started my lessons. First soloed in the Csna-150, then the PA-28. Loved them both. Ramey was a SAC base, Strategic Air Command. That means the big boys, B-52s, KC-135s, we had a few WB-47s, used for Hurricane hunting in the Caribbean. One day returned from the training area, I entered the pattern, mixed in with B52s and Kc135s. Tower instructed me to follow a B52 on short final, then they gave me traffic info that a KC was turning onto final behind me. I quickly glanced left trying to spot the KC, but could not. When i got back to viewing the final, the 52, had landed, chute out, etc. I did not see where he touched down, and of course, you should land long past his touchdown point. I continued inbound and a few moments later it hit me. I was caught in vortice that came off the rightwing of the 52. It pushed my right wing down, and I fought like hell raising it back. To this day I can still remember telling the tower that i was getting the F... outta here! Problem was I never had the mike in my hand! I got out of there and returned 30 minutes later. Seeing the horizontal indicator approaching vertical, can raise your pucker factor! All this happened before Wake turbulence and vortex problems were studied. Up to that time it was all "prop wash" or "jet blast". Well, we are now better informed and prepared. As for "jet blast", yes, it is out there waiting to bite your butt! When the USAF C5 Galaxy came out, a maintenance van, decided that he was well clear of a C5 releasing its brakes to taxi. Unbeknownst to him, a loaded C5 cranks those engines up to start rolling. Well, that van was blown over and slid for about 80 feet on its side down apron! I heard later, the maintenance guys inside had to change their shorts! You did well Sam, liked how you maintained your cool and got down safely. I grew up in Ozone park area of Queens, so one NYorker to another, fly safe, happy skies to you.

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Samuel Porsche
Samuel Porsche

I took RWY 13R. Simply put, the wake that caused this incident was from an arrival to 04R. That wake was still a factor in my mind...

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matthew catchings
matthew catchings

Soo... like I would be questioning the AP why this happened brackets plus safety wire 🥸

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J
J

Yes, both pilot and ATC did fantastic in handling the emergency. However it was hard to see from the graphic how close the piper was to the approach path of the 777. Wake turbulence is a well known phenomenon. Could the piper pilot have shown better judgement?

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Matt Cochran
Matt Cochran

That was incredible. One of your most harrowing videos as of late. Edge of my seat caliber!

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Cesario J.F.G.
Cesario J.F.G.

Many tanx for your sharing with us all, dear Samuel...a very interesting and also important for ground school...nicely and professionaly done both by Pilot and ATC...cheers from Portugal :)

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Computer Whisperer
Computer Whisperer

It always heartens me to see a pilot courageous enough to call an emergency rather than ride their pride (and passengers) into a crater. Great piloting! Great video!

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Jessica Pope
Jessica Pope

Hey @VASAviation can you pull the ATC from the Tallahassee Florida Airport yesterday when it was hit by a tornado? They had at least 1 plane flipped upside down! Thanks!

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Marianela Galfón
Marianela Galfón

Just a question, but could this have been avoided? Should atc not have cleared the piper to fly at or below 1400? I'm not a pilot so I don't know the answer to this, I'm just curious!

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guy
guy

this is brilliant work all around

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Cole Trickle
Cole Trickle

Wouldn't want to be anywhere near a 777 trail flying in anything civilian.

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Sebastian Fajardo
Sebastian Fajardo

Wow! Exceptional SRM and the controller was awesome

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Masiosare Anivdelarev
Masiosare Anivdelarev

Interesting video.

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Jonathan Laico
Jonathan Laico

Bravo Zulu Sam! Well done! I can't help but think what the wake would have been if AF006 was a "super" as it was back in the day! Great airmanship and handling of the radio!

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gomphrena -beautiful flower-
gomphrena -beautiful flower-

Sounds like a young man; didn’t get rattled and kept his head, clear thought processes, got on the ground safely and succinctly. Kudos to him and ATC too. Both parties thought ahead. Nice!

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Al Bundy
Al Bundy

LOL why cover the "N" number when its been used on frequency over and over again?

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Something

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Al Bundy
Al Bundy

@VASAviation - What were you hiding then?

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

I didn't cover the N-number. Go check your sight

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Chris G.
Chris G.

So what happens directly after landing in an emergency like this, especially at an airport like JFK? Like do they tow you off the runway and to the FBO? Do you have to fill out paperwork? Etc.

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Gigs
Gigs

@pfeilspitze still need to get the plane out of an airport with no avgas and no small plane mechanical shops. logistically i bet its a hassle

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pfeilspitze
pfeilspitze

Yeah, the airport probably has to fill some, but that's their job. And once the firefighters confirm the smoking battery, I bet the pilot doesn't have to do anything.

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FarmHer Jo
FarmHer Jo

I don't know about the towing, but likely no paperwork. Declaring an emergency rarely requires a written explanation to the FAA, unless the circumstances are unusual or questionable. (Source: I'm a student pilot.)

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Tumbril
Tumbril

How legalistic the system is. Warn the pilot of a tiny GA that there might be wake turbulence from a 777. Oh really. What. A. Surprise. How about not even sending a little GA into the flight path of a 777? Professional idea? Yup.

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Bruce Q
Bruce Q

ATC nailed it... clear, precise, professional

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Johnny Bugatti sr.
Johnny Bugatti sr.

Excellent job on both pilot and atc controller!!.

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Ron Maxim
Ron Maxim

Was that Kennedy Steve on Tower?

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eaglen00b
eaglen00b

Steve had the week off. Went fishing I think.

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Bob Maslan
Bob Maslan

Excellent work all around. The controller sounded a lot like Kennedy Steve. Does he have an identical twin?

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Super Vitz
Super Vitz

One of the things that gets checked in a roadworthiness test for cars (MOT in the the UK) is if the battery is securely attached. If it moves and the positive and negative touch metal you will have a fire, e.g. in an accident. Same thing happening in the plane I'd guess, needs to be fitted securely.

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Markus
Markus

yeah but wake turbolences are supe dangerous, especially if you cross them perpendicular, as they are of opposing rotation, so you get flicked in one way and immediately after you're flicked the other way

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The Kill
The Kill

My takeaway: do not fly right through the approach path of a heavy, right after it has passed by. Wake passes outward and down, which is why the controller gave him the option to climb. Climb over the wake, or do a left 360 and give it time to dissipate and sink.

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eaglen00b
eaglen00b

@drfaustus72 That would suck.

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drfaustus72
drfaustus72

Except that he likely ended up climbing right THROUGH the wake....

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Gabe Clendenning
Gabe Clendenning

This controller GOT IT DONE! Great piloting and resource management as well!

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Leonardo Del Bino
Leonardo Del Bino

Great job tower and pilot. I still have a question: Was the pilot supposed to avoid the wake? Or the tower supposed to route him somewhere else?

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Linux Ninja
Linux Ninja

I've been caught in wake turbulence before (behind a Stearman bi-plane that was landing ahead of me) while flying a C-152. (We were landing two planes at a time during an airshow fly-in with me landing short, and the Stearman landing long on a 5,000ft+ runway at KLGC runway 31.) It tossed me about and turned me up 90 degrees on final at about 500ft AGL. Full aileron had little effect until we were out of that horizontal tornado. I learned new respect for wake turbulence that day. It travels from the wingtips down to the ground at a predictable rate. I wish controllers had a visual indicator on their screens of where the wake turbulence is and for how long so smaller planes can avoid flying behind and underneath large planes.

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Tobias Wichert
Tobias Wichert

Must be an interesting feeling, back on the ground, surrounded by firetrucks bigger than the plane you're flying....

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William Crook
William Crook

My man was as cool as a cucumber. I can’t say I would have reacted the same.

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mech cntr
mech cntr

I suspect the turbulence was not that bad, the pilot failed to maintain his aircraft leading to a fire. To deflect, the pilot claimed severe turbulence.

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Bando
Bando

So this “caution wake turbulence “ what does it actually make you do as pilot? Go over or under or around or do you just brace and go through it?

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@Bando - I am not a pilot, but had a long career in ATC. When receiving a Wake Turbulence caution, a pilot should be attentive to his flight path and be ready to react to any anomaly. If receiving this caution before entering the area, a course change or altitude change should be considered to avoid it. At controlled airports ATC, will provide the required spacing, but this not a guarantee that it will be not be there. At uncontrolled airports, the pilot must provide his own separation and be constantly vigilant. In the video, in my opinion the pilot could have chosen to fly south to the coastline and then turn Westbound towards NYC along the coast until reaching the corridors. At the Final approach fix, that 777 would have been at 2,000, 1,500 above the Piper. Possible that he may have felt a few ruffles but not as violent as he encountered, where he crossed the final. Personally, to allow light aircraft to cross the 4R final at that point is an accident to happen. Become more knowledgeable about Wingtip Vortices, how they are produced, when the start/stop, movement, and plan of action if you encounter them.

Vor 2 Monate
Bando
Bando

@Ruben Villanueva I’m sorry my question was not clear. I understand it does not force you to do anything. But what do you consider, what are your options, what is a smart course of action? I mean, how you you exercise the caution? With what happens in this video in mind, maybe one prudent course of action is to turn around or something to avoid the wake turbulence?

Vor 2 Monate
Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

Bando- It does not make you do anything. It is a heads up warning to make you aware that you may encounter turbulence. Then you, as the pilot must make a decision regarding your flight path route.

Vor 2 Monate
Brad Baisley
Brad Baisley

Technially, remaining well above the flight path of the heavy is the safest place. However where he was flying at 500ft under the jet is a VFR corridor which has been used by pilots for decades without incident that I'm aware of. I think that had he stayed low and not climbed as approved until past the runway centerline this might have been avoided. Not his fault by any means - mostly bad luck!

Vor 2 Monate
Hopelessand Forlorn
Hopelessand Forlorn

If the battery installation cannot withstand max g in every axis the airplane is not airworthy.

Vor 2 Monate
Unknownize
Unknownize

Just found your channel, thanks youtube, and you posted a new video 4 hours later while I'm watching back to back videos at work because we're dead slow and the boss left for the day. Thanks for the entertainment!!

Vor 2 Monate
detaart
detaart

That ATC guy sounds just like Kennedy Steve!

Vor 2 Monate
MW3haha
MW3haha

Wow shoutout to Samuel. That was textbook and is a great example for everyone to learn from. Glad everyone was ok.

Vor 2 Monate
B D
B D

This is the opposite of when Kennedy Steve told an A380 pilot "propwash" after clearing for takeoff after a GA plane. That one was funny. This one...not so much. Glad all are ok.

Vor 2 Monate
towert7
towert7

Who would have guessed the turbulence would cause that problem. Wow. Glad everything worked out well.

Vor 2 Monate
F Grau737
F Grau737

And that’s why you should not be landing a Cessna or Piper at JFK or LAX. You little guys bring nothing to the table while I’m trying to bring in my 767.

Vor 2 Monate
Matthijs van Duin
Matthijs van Duin

Pretty sure they weren't landing there (until emergency happened), they were just in the area for a sightseeing tour

Vor 2 Monate
Andy Sedgley
Andy Sedgley

Whoever they hired after Kennedy Steve retired, he sure sounds like him! 🙂

Vor 2 Monate
Andy Sedgley
Andy Sedgley

@Linux Ninja He worked tower and ground 😁

Vor 2 Monate
Linux Ninja
Linux Ninja

All the Kennedy Steve recordings I've listened to were him working Ground frequency. This one sounds like Tower or Approach frequency.

Vor 2 Monate
Moe
Moe

Pilot: "Piper 5DE, declaring an emergency, smoke in the cockpit." ATC: "5DE, Kennedy Tower, roger, JFK 3 o'clock 5 miles, landing fee $150." Pilot: "Unable, I need vectors to the nearest free field." ATC: "Roger, fly heading 210, vectors to Philadelphia in 100 miles."

Vor 2 Monate
RobotSlug
RobotSlug

That controller is a boss. Stunned by how quickly, at one of the busiest airports in the US, he was able to focus, help and prioritize that Piper.

Vor 2 Monate
E A
E A

Also the fact that Jfk is a dead zone due to Covid, but an amazing job by both parties

Vor 2 Monate
jdwky69
jdwky69

That's why the best of the best controllers work the NYC airports, that was an absolute boss of a controller there

Vor 2 Monate
Ray Gale
Ray Gale

@RobotSlug It would be buttock clenching situation for sure, busy airspace, smoke in the cabin and the smell of burning electrics. It's bad enough in a car where you can just stop, get out and investigate, in a plane it would be terrifying.

Vor 2 Monate
RobotSlug
RobotSlug

@Ray Gale Now that I think about it, you're right the pilot did nail it. You could hear a bit of shakiness in his voice (understandably!) and he kept his composure like a champ. I really love to see professionalism be rewarded with happy endings.

Vor 2 Monate
Ray Gale
Ray Gale

Probably the trigger words, 'heavy turbulence, tossed around badly and smoke in the cabin'. ATC knew straight away this wasn't an instrument failure. Handled beautifully by both pilot and controller.

Vor 2 Monate

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