Piper PA-28 FLYING IN IMC + NORDO + LOW FUEL at Orlando

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    [23/JAN/2021]
    Piper PA28 (N32019) performing flight in the Orlando area reported going into clouds while VFR and requested IFR instructions to land at Orlando Executive Airport KORL. Controller vectored him to ILS25 but he didn't descend on the glideslope. Controller then tried to vector him for ILS7 but he crossed the localizer, descended below the MVA and proceeded for runway 13 after getting visual contact with the ground.
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Vor 2 Monate
theleetbeagle
theleetbeagle

why are there even two versions, or rather, why did this one cut off early?

Vor 2 Monate
Pius Schneider
Pius Schneider

Great controller being busy in the plane we need sometimes all the help we can get

Vor 2 Monate
Dheeraj Lalwani
Dheeraj Lalwani

I use Orlando Approach’s services on a daily basis. The approach guys on 119.4, 119.77 ,135.3, 124.8 and 132.65 are absolute rockstars

Vor 2 Monate
T210
T210

I agree- controller rocked this

Vor 2 Monate
Keith Tynan
Keith Tynan

Honestly, that was kind of scary to listen to. Really happy it worked out OK, but it could just as easily have ended badly.

Vor Monat
Jeremy Hill
Jeremy Hill

Worst flight planning ever! Wow!

Vor Monat
Russell Thorburn
Russell Thorburn

The pilot did a great job by asking for assistance and the controllers were a great help and did their best to keep him calm. Job well done under difficult circumstances.

Vor Monat
Tomas Tahotny
Tomas Tahotny

Excelent understanding speaking from an atc.. Thats the point

Vor Monat
Mark Batarina
Mark Batarina

Kudos to everyone. Pilot asked for helped when he needed it and the controller was so much help. Didn’t even get mad because he knew the pilot was in trouble. Awesome job.

Vor 2 Monate
LT PENNISS
LT PENNISS

What a Sh**IT show. I would be so so pissed at this point.

Vor 2 Monate
Mathew Franco
Mathew Franco

Any landing you can walk away from is great. Why anyone would want to fly I don’t know if I’m driving and run into fog well let’s say it no fun God bless you all.

Vor 2 Monate
Trenton Pottruff · Private Pilot
Trenton Pottruff · Private Pilot

This guy sounds like he was woefully unprepared

Vor 2 Monate
Evan M
Evan M

Wow this was frustrating to watch. This dude may have an ifr capable plane but he’s clearly not current or qualified. He’s extremely lucky he didn’t kill himself or anyone else. Wonder what that convo is gonna be like with the FAA

Vor 2 Monate
M.Y78
M.Y78

the crazy thing is that I saw the piper pilots sitting in the FBO as I was going to fly

Vor 2 Monate
D B
D B

All of the ATC guys were awesome. That’s the way it should be. Good work gentlemen. Damn good thing this guy was IFR qualified and current. With ceilings and fuel that low this could have been very different. Good work to all, other than the part of the pilot not checking the weather. No casting stones here though, I’ve done it before too. I had to file IFR in the air because my destination airport went IFR when it was forecast not to be. A little different I suppose. Nowadays in the jet it’s almost always IFR obviously, but I kinda miss those days of burning around VFR.

Vor 2 Monate
dannafe
dannafe

ugggh, that stupid back course approach to 7 sucks.

Vor 2 Monate
Upstate Flyer
Upstate Flyer

I say give this guy a damn medal. Unlike most of the guys who do "stuff" like this, he confessed and got the help he needed. Good for him. Not every lesson should end in death.

Vor 2 Monate
Tistoy Kim
Tistoy Kim

Dont say sorry, ATC’s there for you. Try to focus on What you are doing guys and ask for help when you have any problem. And please, be proficient

Vor 2 Monate
Last dance
Last dance

He was overwhelmed, I'm glad the controllers understood this and helped him out. My blood pressure went way up just listening to this and I knew ahead of time it had a happy ending.

Vor 2 Monate
RO’s World
RO’s World

Accident looking for a place😳thank god the controller(s) were competent and, accommodating! Might not have been so lucky in NY airspace!

Vor 2 Monate
Dan Boyer
Dan Boyer

I live in Orlando, Ima love this one

Vor 2 Monate
Nick Gresla
Nick Gresla

20 minutes of fuel under IFR, lmaooo

Vor 2 Monate
210Driver
210Driver

This guy should not be flying.

Vor 2 Monate
210Driver
210Driver

My insurance rates keep going up...

Vor 2 Monate
Oliver Racz
Oliver Racz

He might have been qualified, but he was clearly not ready to fly IFR that day, and it sounded like the inadvertent flight into IMC plus the fuel situation made him very nervous (duh). Declaring an emergency when he found himself in the clouds probably would have gotten him even better service, but the controllers were already very helpful.

Vor 2 Monate
Kamingsun Gaming
Kamingsun Gaming

thanks atc u are guardian angle

Vor 2 Monate
Jack Cade
Jack Cade

Orlando Exec Tower missed the fact that the pilot was CLEARLY in trouble at first. Pilot should've called an emergency, at the very least at the go around call.

Vor 2 Monate
robbynelson3
robbynelson3

Despite all the happened he knew to ask for help early. It's not being humble that gets you killed.

Vor 2 Monate
Elijah Spicher
Elijah Spicher

I was on this plane. That man talking was my grandfather. Being a student pilot, I tried my best to assist him and load approaches. The plan was to fly and pick up family in Apopka. Fuel was low and we were not planning to go IFR. Ceilings were 1,500 forecasted and out of nowhere the clouds dropped very quickly. I could not hear ATC in assisting him because the airplane only had one port for a headset. Thankful for an AMAZING controller. Feel free to ask any questions you like. We are safe (back in Virginia).

Vor 2 Monate
SantaZeede
SantaZeede

I would've given you guys 50/50 odds of surviving this VFR into IMC event, so consider yourself lucky. As a student pilot you should know that the fuel minimums for day VFR is enough gas for the intended route +30 minutes. I usually give myself at least an hour of extra fuel, because as you witnessed firsthand, 30 minutes is not a lot in a real emergency. Second, always get an updated weather briefing close to the departure time. Especially in coastal areas the conditions can change rapidly. Thirdly, had your grandpa flown six instrument approaches in the last six months? If not then he isn't Instrument current anymore. Flying is a perishable skill, Instrument flying *especially*. I don't know any Instrument rated pilot who does have ForeFlight or Garmin Pilot. Not being able to get the ILS frequency was a huge red flag. Remember that you, your grandpa and anyone else on board are the lucky ones. YouTube is full of videos on accidents where they weren't so lucky. Learn from them and you'll have a successful aviation career.

Vor Monat
Magustin
Magustin

Glad you are back safe

Vor Monat
Brad James
Brad James

Seems to me you guys were very unprepared for conditions that routinely occur concerning weather and heavy airspaces. Maybe you guys should take an Uber next time.

Vor Monat
Elijah Spicher
Elijah Spicher

@GrumpyFelo Great question. He should have. I was not able to hear what was going on because the airplane had only one headset port. Had I heard what was going on, I would have told him to declare immediately. I assume he just did not think to do so.

Vor 2 Monate
GrumpyFelo
GrumpyFelo

why didn you declare a emergency with so little fuel left?

Vor 2 Monate
Caitlyn Guasp
Caitlyn Guasp

That controller is my dad!!! :) So good at his job.

Vor 2 Monate
Martin
Martin

I flew those approaches and for someone making so many mistakes that atc controller is being really nice. I wish it was always like that 😆

Vor 2 Monate
Bob
Bob

Sis?

Vor 2 Monate
porthos
porthos

I don't give that controller many kudos. That guy was obviously behind the power curve and they make his job harder. Bad form!!!

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Absolutely disagree

Vor 2 Monate
Malibu Jack
Malibu Jack

He might have had an IFR rating but his erratic flying shows he wasn’t proficient and his very poor flight planning (WX, low fuel, etc) shows he needs a lot more training before he is safe to enter the clouds again. He jeopardized safety for other aircraft around him and those on the ground. I don’t know if it is the case here, but I see far too many VFR pilots get an IFR rating as a “safety measure” but never really use it enough to become proficient. This can be more dangerous than none at all because it gives them a false sense of security that their flying skills can’t deliver. He was illegal for entering clouds without a clearance and he was illegal for not having the required fuel reserves for a widespread 500 foot ceiling. I hope his instructor cover this and a whole bunch more with him. I’m sure the FAA will rightfully site him accordingly.

Vor 2 Monate
Chase Ehrgott
Chase Ehrgott

This guy sounds like any number of students I failed for an IPC. "Oh yeah I fly IFR all the time" but they can't hold a heading or altitude to save their lives. Dude absolutely panicked and almost killed everyone on board. This guy really should go back for a lesson or 10 before he gets back in the air. What a goober

Vor 2 Monate
paco291
paco291

Declare an emergency - it’s OK to do so.

Vor 2 Monate
Nick_NspireAviation_ H
Nick_NspireAviation_ H

the wx that day was about 700ovc till 1300 local

Vor 2 Monate
Attentive Dragon
Attentive Dragon

Thankfully this pilot made it down safely, but some of that dialogue between him and the controllers was what you hear right before the Air Safety Institute Accident Case Study narrator chimes in.

Vor 2 Monate
Alan T
Alan T

Great controller. This pilot was in over his head. Very lucky he didn’t have a catastrophic accident. Instrument proficiency goes way beyond being minimally legal and current.

Vor 2 Monate
dzurisintube
dzurisintube

What an absolute mess.

Vor 2 Monate
MrCrystalcranium
MrCrystalcranium

Wow...what a clusterf&$k.  The pilot's panic level went up as time went by and ATC was a bit confused as well.  Did approach understand the tower sent him around the first time?  I think he sounded unsure about why the pilot didn't land.  This was a potential accident build up...confusion, an anxious pilot with obviously limited IFR skills distracted enough by his low fuel status to omit altitude instructions on several occasions with the tower and approach controllers not coordinating well.  Glad he got down safely!

Vor 2 Monate
Spyke0511 1
Spyke0511 1

Holy crap. Usually something that sounds like this ends up with fatalities. Bravo to ATC for making this happen. If they would’ve lost their cool or sounded stressed it would’ve transferred straight into this guy and who knows what would’ve happened then.

Vor 2 Monate
Margaret Mathis
Margaret Mathis

Not trying to be snarky (serious question).....but why would you take off in the first place if you were low on fuel?

Vor 2 Monate
Shay Spicher
Shay Spicher

He took off at a grass strip, heading to a small airport that refused landing due to low ceiling, redirecting him to Orlando.. only 8 gals of gas from the start. There was no choice.

Vor 2 Monate
wjatube
wjatube

After ever bad decision this pilot made he couldn't just admit he wasn't IFR capable.

Vor 2 Monate
Adam McMurry
Adam McMurry

You had a pilot in obvious distress, but established on the localizer, no other inbound traffic and the tower controller causes more stress by making the pilot contact approach? Sorry, but that not helpful to resolving a life or death situation whatsoever.

Vor 2 Monate
USAF2180
USAF2180

He would’ve ended up in the lake or on the 408 he was so high

Vor 2 Monate
CoachCray Craig
CoachCray Craig

Good point there.

Vor 2 Monate
Sebastian Fajardo
Sebastian Fajardo

91.103??

Vor 2 Monate
Ken Clark
Ken Clark

NORDO? I heard radio?

Vor 2 Monate
Bud McDonald
Bud McDonald

I’m a student pilot and maybe I’m wrong, but wouldn’t declaring an emergency with “maybe 20 minutes” of gas on a missed approach in IMC conditions having trouble maintaining assigned headings be appropriate here?

Vor 2 Monate
Jersey Shore Drone Services
Jersey Shore Drone Services

At the end when they told him they were going to switch to the other runway I was thinking the same as you. At that point I probably would have declared an emergency and said I need 13 unless they had a very good reason not to use it.

Vor 2 Monate
Samuel Carvalho
Samuel Carvalho

I’ve noticed in some of these videos when there’s low altitude alert, you can hear an audible alarm going off in the background of the ATC. I assume the towers have loud alarms for certain things? Just interesting as obviously every ATC is going to hear that alarm.

Vor 2 Monate
Jeff Lawson
Jeff Lawson

Great job by my local controllers for handling this situation. According to FlightRadar24, his flight path took him over University of Central Florida, the major shopping mall and the main tourist shopping areas and a mile or two from my house. Personally glad this worked out for the best. As I recall, on Saturday we only had very light rain and a low ceiling. Other than flying blind, the conditions were not as bad as it seemed.

Vor 2 Monate
Dayron Fernandez
Dayron Fernandez

Overall, good job by everyone. The pilot lived to tell fly another day. Some observations for the pilots here: tell ATC what you NEED. Assess your situation. Decide on a course of action. And TELL ATC what you NEED. “I’m declaring an emergency. I need vectors to an ILS, need the frequency of the localizer, and I’m not instrument proficient”. For the ATCs here: Declare the emergency for him. Slap the EM on the data block. Coordinate with the tower so they understand he’s an emergency and they don’t send him around back into the soup for another go at spatial disorientation because “he wasn’t cleared for the approach”. VFR into IMC is deadly. Get the guy on the loc in VMC and then clear him on the approach so he doesn’t have to turn AND descend in IMC. 7110.65 10-2-8 is good reading. Lastly, be courteous, professional and use standard phraseology, this might be put on the internet later.

Vor 2 Monate
jmflyer55
jmflyer55

Ill tell you something. If back when I learned to fly, I did the things this guy is doing here, not only would I KNOW the FAA would be contacting me, I can assure you they would pull your certification back then. I got my private in 82, and my IFR in 84. And we had to KNOW how to fly. No autopilots, no GPS then etc.. Every time I watch these videos, I realize that something very bad has todays pilots abilities! One thing, the controllers, are different now. Back in the day, if you didnt have your localizer freq.and u asked for it! You’d def get a standby 1, followed by a ready to copy? Flight plan modification, to every obscure intersection on the chart. Honestly, this guy should be grounded. He cant even fly headings and maintain altitude!! And hes an IFR rated pilot? Insane! Pathetic.

Vor 2 Monate
bripilot34
bripilot34

Listening to this pilot in this situation is frightening. ATC did a fantastic job and was definitely a guardian angel for him. Sounds like some serious recurrent training could and should be had. Kudos to him for calling ATC to ask for help but so much to be learned here about flight planning, being overprepared vs. underprepared, etc.

Vor 2 Monate
CKOD
CKOD

Got himself into trouble wasnt afraid to call ATC, laid it out that he did bad, still managed to make it down on the runway. I guess all those videos saying "ATC isnt there for bust you on the rules, dont be afraid to ask for help" are doing some good. 0/10 for preparation, 3/10 for situational awareness, 10/10 for not letting ego/pride/being scared of ATC making it escalate into a crash report.

Vor 2 Monate
CoachCray Craig
CoachCray Craig

I would give 5/10 for ego pride.

Vor 2 Monate
John Szakach
John Szakach

Amazing job by the controller. Clear, calm, reasonably-paced cadence. Outstanding job dealing with what is obviously a pilot being challenged by his own mistakes. Kudos.

Vor 2 Monate
T J
T J

The controllers in Orlando are great at dealing with traffic and weather deviations. For those not familiar with the airspace this pilot was wandering around in, Orlando executive is just north of MCO. If MCO is landing south the FAF for 18R is at 2200’ and just north of Orlando executive. If MCO is departing north, airliners need to be at or above 2200’ 2nm south of executive. Needless to say, not much room for a navigation error in this area, especially when the piper makes a turn to the south. These controllers were extremely calm and accommodating, they are the reason this situation didn’t end in disaster.

Vor 2 Monate
Cesare Guariniello
Cesare Guariniello

In stressful situation (I guess), he keeps starting all his radio calls with call sign instead than the station he is calling. Like most people said, glad he came down safely, but definitely NOT inadvertent VFR into IMC. Weather was IMC all around, as posted by somebody, so he definitely was not allowed to take off VFR. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Also, to those who said "tower was not helpful", he never declared emergency and said that he is qualified for IFR, so tower just treated him as any other IFR pilot: you need to be cleared for the approach because only one airplane at a time can enter airspace, and if you fail the approach you need to follow the missed approach procedure. They have been even nice to keep vectoring him. They could have just told him "go missed approach" 🤷🏻‍♂️

Vor 2 Monate
Blake Roach
Blake Roach

There is no way he's IFR rated...

Vor 2 Monate
Tom g
Tom g

If the pilot does read this, please turn in certificate. You are a hazard to everyone. How could you have ended up in the clouds when everything around you was IFR. Did you not check the weather. Are you really instrument rated?

Vor 2 Monate
Infinite Flight fan
Infinite Flight fan

I was expecting a pilot deviation there.

Vor 2 Monate
P Allen
P Allen

Pilot is obviously not comfortable and in trouble. I know the book says wait for the hand off from approach, but the tower forcing him back to approach once he's established contributed to the go around and made this a much bigger issue than it needed to be. No need to overcomplicate this for a pilot in distress. He's clearly behind the airplane and now has to switch approaches. Put him on one frequency and talk him down.

Vor 2 Monate
Cali Rambo
Cali Rambo

"Yes, I am IFR certified (I Fly Random patterns)"

Vor 2 Monate
B-System
B-System

@James Burley "Visually Follow Roads"

Vor 2 Monate
James Burley
James Burley

My CFI jokingly referred to IFR as "I Follow Roads".

Vor 2 Monate
theview.f.u.h
theview.f.u.h

Rather a lot of typos in the text of this video?

Vor 2 Monate
Sophie Jay's Stuff
Sophie Jay's Stuff

Should of never made him switch back to approach. Keep it simple and get him on the ground.

Vor 2 Monate
Menkowski
Menkowski

@tls2fast TWR controller could have just cleared him for the ILS again. No need to make the pilot switch frequency and add more workload as he was already overwhelmed.

Vor 2 Monate
tls2fast
tls2fast

I think it’s important to keep in mind this was nearly a 40 minute ordeal condenses into 8 minutes and also there was a lot happening behind the scenes to assist the pilot. So it may seem there were a lot of freq changes in little time but there are a lot of procedures to be followed in this area and on this approach. Controller was doing the best given the situation at hand.

Vor 2 Monate
Sophie Jay's Stuff
Sophie Jay's Stuff

@tls2fast Making him switch freq's was murder.... :(

Vor 2 Monate
tls2fast
tls2fast

With 500’ ceilings not much the tower could do

Vor 2 Monate
Dale Greer
Dale Greer

Yeah that's why he ended up too high. He was on track, but Orlando said "Get rekt!" Messing with approach made him get behind the plane, then he goes back and Orlando says "Nah dude!" In hindsight, 019 should have declared an emergency when Orlando asked if he had been cleared by approach. I'm sure I would have done the same, but having seen this, and some others where pilots were not assertive enough with ATC, I would hopefully be able to learn from their mistakes.

Vor 2 Monate
MojoGrip
MojoGrip

Kudos to the pilot. He did the right thing asking for help early. This could have ended up differently.

Vor 2 Monate
Oliver Racz
Oliver Racz

@MojoGrip We don't know how long he had been in IMC when he actually decided to let ATC know and asked for help. A part of me thinks he only spoke up when he realized he had a fuel situation.

Vor 2 Monate
Bud McDonald
Bud McDonald

@Skyler Page maybe give this guy the attention of one controller instead of changing frequencies and taking his focus off flying. I agree he shouldn’t have been flying that day. In my opinion the only reason him and his passengers didn’t become an accident report was luck popping out of IMC. Just my thoughts.

Vor 2 Monate
Skyler Page
Skyler Page

the only way this guy could receive kudos would have been for him not getting in the airplane that day.

Vor 2 Monate
Skyler Page
Skyler Page

@Bud McDonald what would declaring an emergency accomplish? he already had priority handling because it was clearly evident to the controllers that he had no idea what he was doing. I guess declaring wouldve made it official that he was in a world of hurt, but it would not have helped the pilot at all. I guarantee the second the approach controller heard "I'm VFR in the clouds" he already knew this was not a good situation and he needed to keep an eye on this idiot.

Vor 2 Monate
Bud McDonald
Bud McDonald

I’m a student pilot and maybe I’m wrong, but wouldn’t declaring an emergency with “maybe 20 minutes” of gas on a missed approach in IMC conditions having trouble maintaining assigned headings?

Vor 2 Monate
David Eames
David Eames

Thank god for the good outcome. Seems like a day that included stacking of bad decision making. I am so glad for the outcome. It could have easily gotten worse. A quick comment on the good decisions. He asked for help even when it could get him in trouble. He found a runway and used it. It may be the pilot that put lives in jeopardy but it was also the pilot who saved those lives

Vor 2 Monate
Kenny R
Kenny R

For fellow Florida pilots, things can go convective & IMC very quickly and very bad in the sunshine state, combined with a messy Orlando airspace

Vor 2 Monate
Eric Gunnison
Eric Gunnison

This reminds me of a pilot that is incapacitated and the passenger is flying the plane and being vectored.

Vor 2 Monate
Living Survival
Living Survival

He was cleared for the approach the first time

Vor 2 Monate
SantaZeede
SantaZeede

@Menkowski He wasn't cleared to switch frequencies to the tower.

Vor Monat
MrAFJones
MrAFJones

@A B Fine, but that's not the point of my original comment. He was cleared for the approach, but did not remain established, requiring him to be cleared the approach a second time.

Vor 2 Monate
A B
A B

@Menkowski A good chunk cant

Vor 2 Monate
A B
A B

@Menkowski Probably couldnt due to LOAs. He may be in a VFR tower, cant legally clear someone for an approach

Vor 2 Monate
A B
A B

@MrAFJones false. most of the time you are cleared before you are established.

Vor 2 Monate
B D
B D

How many souls and fuel on board, and how much gas? Did he eat some Applebees? 😄

Vor 2 Monate
Billy Whizz
Billy Whizz

I'm glad it all ended ok. The approach ATC was very calm and supportive.

Vor 2 Monate
asdfasdfasdf
asdfasdfasdf

That's the kind of pilot that gives the rest of us a bad name :-(

Vor 2 Monate
opl500
opl500

Well, he managed to keep the dirty side down once in the soup. Usually (like with Kobe) it either kills you pretty quick or you make it. It did sound like he hadn't shot an approach in a while. And now he's fodder for those sweet sweet youtube views.

Vor 2 Monate
Lewis Taishoff
Lewis Taishoff

Pilot overload, tough conditions, great work by the ATCs, but this could have ended very badly indeed.

Vor 2 Monate
MoMadenU
MoMadenU

Been there. That burning sensation in the back of your neck. If it happens, I go wings level and ask for direct climb to 5000 ft above the field. Altitude means options and once I have them I can think straight again.

Vor 2 Monate
Andrew Stokes
Andrew Stokes

Would love to hear the pilot's side. I assume he was more than grateful that he had understanding ATCs around him to guide him down. Thankful that this was not a tragedy.

Vor 2 Monate
Shay Spicher
Shay Spicher

The pilot was my father in law assisted by my son who was a student pilot. In the end they had to just to pray they weren’t going to hit a tower or building while plane was starting to sputter and Just land the plane

Vor 2 Monate
arthouse films
arthouse films

Moral of the story, never fly small planes in any clouded skies.

Vor 2 Monate
MoMadenU
MoMadenU

It's not the plane's fault. I think "Know your limits" is a better moral

Vor 2 Monate
pigybak
pigybak

🤦🏼

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Nyaos
Nyaos

How was in so low fuel in IMC in the first place... great planning dude.

Vor 2 Monate
Dan S
Dan S

Huge thumbs up to ATC !

Vor 2 Monate
viperdriver82
viperdriver82

This man Lie ! ...bout him have instrument rating

Vor 2 Monate
ImpendingJoker
ImpendingJoker

Learn to type coherently first, then come back and try again.

Vor 2 Monate
Tony Banderas
Tony Banderas

It was a strangely cloudy day that day here in Orlando. The rain in the morning came out of no where.

Vor 2 Monate
J
J

When you look up, is that no where? lol

Vor 2 Monate
Kim Heran
Kim Heran

Thanks for making these videos... makes me more Confident about my safety and preparing for my safety, Sooo as I'm watching this I'm taking notes on the paper

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Glad to help

Vor 2 Monate
softy8088
softy8088

2:44 Cleared for the ILS runway 25 approach. 4:35 You were not cleared for the approach yet. What?

Vor 2 Monate
Menkowski
Menkowski

@russell shermer He did not, you can even hear his readback. He was cleared and ATC made him switch back to app in an emergencyy situation. Very bad performance by ATC.

Vor 2 Monate
thefactorypilot145
thefactorypilot145

@russell shermer i know, but that's an emergency situation in this case

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russell shermer
russell shermer

He switched to tower before approach cleared him...so he never received the clearance...therefore he wasn’t cleared.

Vor 2 Monate
thefactorypilot145
thefactorypilot145

He should have just declared told that tower controller ", im inbound, deal with it".

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thefactorypilot145
thefactorypilot145

I Know right!

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Rilmar Amarthkhil
Rilmar Amarthkhil

A good air traffic controller is a pilot's guardian angel.

Vor 2 Monate
Self True
Self True

Superb Controller work. Totally in change and confident. Impressive. With the apparent shakiness of the pilot in IFR, I'm surprised he maintained wings level attitude.

Vor 2 Monate
Gone To Earth
Gone To Earth

OMFG...stuff like this gets me sooooo angry. Some one please tell me when this dude is flying since I don't want to fly that day....

Vor 2 Monate
localcrew
localcrew

“Well — we made it”. Not words you want to hear upon landing.

Vor 2 Monate
Hopelessand Forlorn
Hopelessand Forlorn

Many years ago, one of the pilots at an airline where I worked always commented at the end of his last flight of the day, "Well, cheated death again."

Vor 2 Monate
Top 5 Aviation
Top 5 Aviation

As a pilot based at the same airport, I feel this man's pain. Bad things happen and we can always learn from other people's mistakes.

Vor 2 Monate
Working Guy
Working Guy

These ATC's are so understanding and good at keeping him safe. So awesome.

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TheMB
TheMB

maybe the pilot should have planned more, been more open in his abilities to ATC, or actually requested some assistance. ATC did a pretty good job at trying to read his mind considering it was probably up until this point a normal day.

Vor 2 Monate
matrixab435
matrixab435

I agree, they could have just landed the guy, he was obviously overwhelmed, and instead of bouncing him between controllers could have declared emergency for him and landed him asap. Pilot is absolutely at fault too.

Vor 2 Monate
applec2400
applec2400

Not really. Instead of bouncing him around back to the approach controller he should have realized the situation and let him land. Because of this he was too high and the controller forced him around. The first controller should have declared emergency for him given the VFR/IFR situation and got him in efficiently.

Vor 2 Monate
John B
John B

Fortunately, a Florida controller and maybe some divine intervention were on point this day or the video would have started with the Blancolirio music and another outcome.

Vor 2 Monate
AUSSIE C BEER
AUSSIE C BEER

LOL so true.

Vor 2 Monate
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán

"IFR capable" means "current", not just "brave enough to try".

Vor 2 Monate
Davisando
Davisando

@Gnomish 8 exactly!

Vor 2 Monate
Gnomish 8
Gnomish 8

@Davisando -- Nailed it. Current is asking about the pilot, capable is asking about the plane. In order to accept an IFR clearance, the pilot must be certified, and the plane must be equipped and certified for IFR flight. The controller's basically saying, "Hey, both you and the plane meet the requirements for this, right?"

Vor 2 Monate
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán

@Lloyd Feng thanks a lot, you guys are right and I was wrong. I found this statement with definitive proof that VFR flight plans in the U.S. are indeed NOT transferred from FSS to ATC (despite same format, despite the encouragement to indicate how the airplane is equipped): "CAUTION - A control tower at destination point does not automatically close VFR flight plans; it remains the responsibility of a pilot to close his/her own flight plan." https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aip_html/part2_enr_section_1.10.html

Vor 2 Monate
Lloyd Feng
Lloyd Feng

@Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán Nope, the answer is just no. You are supposed to pass all your information over the radio.

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Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán

@Lloyd Feng sure, when you are outside controlled airspace for the whole flight. What about the case when your planned route crosses via or terminates in controlled airspace? ATC will get such VFR flight plan from FSS, right?

Vor 2 Monate
Alireza Alivandivafa
Alireza Alivandivafa

I feel bad for this guy. He clearly had some issues understanding the equipment and was using a relatively simple panel that didn't help things.

Vor 2 Monate
Neil Suri
Neil Suri

I think we should all reach out to FAA via Twitter to get this Orlando controller some official recognition. Go to Twitter, like this, spread the message!

Vor 2 Monate
James Harris
James Harris

Why? Approach was par.

Vor 2 Monate
PetrolHead Brasil
PetrolHead Brasil

04:37 - For God sake! The pilot was clearly disoriented! He had already authorized the landing, the pilot reported stabilized ... why send him back to the approach ?!

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

He never intercepted the localizer nor the glideslope

Vor 2 Monate
Alireza Alivandivafa
Alireza Alivandivafa

Cause he wasn't stabilized. He was very high and south of the localizer.

Vor 2 Monate
chris c
chris c

Where is the rest of the communications?

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Link in the description

Vor 2 Monate
heavyduty187
heavyduty187

Sooo I’m assuming everything went fine and he landed safely?

Vor 2 Monate
Elijah Spicher
Elijah Spicher

We are safe and back home in Virginia.

Vor 2 Monate
VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Just watch the video until the end

Vor 2 Monate
F Huber
F Huber

Good controllers. Helped the pilot to make it safely to the airport. That was the most important part. Pilot needs some radio and IFR retraining time.

Vor 2 Monate
matrixab435
matrixab435

I respectfully disagree. The controller cleared him at 2 minutes then bounced him back on frequencies to get cleared because " he wasn't cleared." Which he was. But either way, instead of bouncing the poor guy around, just landed him, the pilot was obviously overwhelmed and unprepared.

Vor 2 Monate
Tony Nettleman
Tony Nettleman

This just about ended up being ASA Safety Institute video!

Vor 2 Monate
Bob
Bob

Yah, with that narrator dude's voice all super stern and tinted with accusatory tone that builds as the mistakes build.

Vor 2 Monate
Felipe Peixoto
Felipe Peixoto

What a mess. ATC guys were super cool about it.

Vor 2 Monate
Kevin Rice
Kevin Rice

I sent this to VASAviation. 32019 called with 3 souls and one hour of gas. All pilots on frequency felt this. I know I was scared. I honestly thought I was going to listen to the death of a fellow pilot. I called Orlando when I got on the ground and told them they saved 3 lives. Super grateful to the amazing controllers I get to talk to on a daily bases.

Vor 2 Monate
Kevin Rice
Kevin Rice

@BatteryH1862 weather was forecasted low IFR for all of Orlando area airports from 5pm the previous day. The weather was the same all day.

Vor 2 Monate
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán

@BatteryH1862 competent, perhaps, but not current for sure. There was more to it than unpreparedness. He was given all the help, vectors to final, weather, ILS approach frequencies etc. But he was unable to read back clearences, unable to intercept the ILS localizer and glideslope, uable to stay on frequency during approach, unable to maintain heading, unable to maintain altitude. He eventually broke the IFR rules, descended below minimum safe altitude and made a visual landing on the 3rd runway he attempted that day, with fuel far less what is safe for VFR, let alone IFR flight. We can credit him for calling ATC for help and keeping his composure, but it would have been wiser to turn back and divert when the bad weather started to surround him.

Vor 2 Monate
BatteryH1862
BatteryH1862

My question would probably be, how quickly did the weather move in, and was it accurately forecast? For all the crap being thrown around in the comments, yes, he was caught unprepared - but the pilot also had the sense to ask for help when he realized he was in over his head, not spend 30 minutes trying to "figure it out." Being flustered isn't unusual when you're caught unprepared in anything ... and I suspect tossing in a couple of passengers picking up on your nerves may not have helped. It's quite possible to be competent and still be caught unready to quickly transition into IFR with codes and frequencies at hand.

Vor 2 Monate
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán
Magánpilóta - Private Pilot N. Zoltán

The conversation didn't start out too bad, but the mistakes done in the approach phase were just more and more frightening. Being a passive lisener to all this, live as it happened, must have been difficult as well. Congrats on calling Orlando ATC for this, well done.

Vor 2 Monate
Dale Zapple
Dale Zapple

Thanks for the experience. You and VASAviation

Vor 2 Monate
AAAskeet
AAAskeet

That guy has no clue what he’s doing or was severely overwhelmed

Vor 2 Monate
Dale Zapple
Dale Zapple

As a non pilot this seems awfully confused regarding the pilot. Love VASAviation!

Vor 2 Monate
Adam E
Adam E

Wow. That could have so easily turned out bad. Controllers did a great job to keep him out of the weeds.

Vor 2 Monate
Andy Sedgley
Andy Sedgley

Absolutely frightening poling around in the soup like that.

Vor 2 Monate
Dean Brown
Dean Brown

As a controller and CFI, you pilots have to give us controllers a chance. You can't just launch into the clouds with 30 minutes of gas into an entire area of IFR, and not be able to fly an approach. I'd like to be able to go home at the end of a shift and not have nightmares. I'm rarely this blunt.

Vor 2 Monate
PrenticeBoy1688
PrenticeBoy1688

@Dean Brown If you had my kind of luck, you'd win the lottery but the other guy would get your cheque. The Dean Brown I know is Dr. D R Brown. I wonder if that's ever caused any confusion. Once had nextdoor neighbours whose surname was one letter off from mine. Lots of misdelivered mail.

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Dean Brown
Dean Brown

@PrenticeBoy1688 Sorry, but no. Lots of Browns out there, so even though Dean is a relatively uncommon first name, not too many Dean Browns. Funny thing is the FAA now has two Dean Browns. I'm a controller who flies a bit on the side, the other seems to be a Flight Check pilot but I'm not sure. Every once in a while I get an email from FAA HQ to hop in one of the FAA airplanes and fly a lap around the country. One of these days I might have to try it -- sounds fun. If I play my cards right, he'll be the one that gets in trouble.

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PrenticeBoy1688
PrenticeBoy1688

@Dean Brown Any relation to the retired professor in Northeast Ohio, same name? I'm sure it's an extremely common name, but figured I'd ask.

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Evan M
Evan M

Couldn’t agree with you more Dean, this guys is so lucky he’s alive right now and didn’t kill someone else. What an idiot, I’m being blunt now too. Who doesn’t check the weather before they fly or atleast look outside for 10 seconds?

Vor 2 Monate
A A
A A

You pilots? lol this guy in the video is an idiot. most pilots would not do that.

Vor 2 Monate

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