Part 2: DIY AMD NAS with Unraid & ZFS Software Setup, ft. Level1Techs

  • Am Vor 7 Monate

    Gamers NexusGamers Nexus

    Dauer: 35:41

    This is part 2 of our journey embarking on a custom DIY NAS, this one focusing on software setup for Unraid & ZFS (ft. Level1Techs).
    Sponsor: Get Linode Cloud Computing (geni.us/NehI9e - code GNEXUS20 for $20 credit)
    You can find part 1 (hardware setup) here: de-film.com/v-video-Hix0l8cFaMw.html
    For this video, our NAS box is already built (hardware linked below) and we just need to deploy the software. Wendell walks us through setup for Steamcache, basic file structures, drive groupings as vdevs, and initial configuration for the NAS. We're using ZFS and Unraid together so that we can run VMs with transcoding scripts for old footage, something that Wendell was able to figure out for this video.
    Wendell's tutorial is here: forum.level1techs.com/t/zfs-on-unraid-lets-do-it-bonus-shadowcopy-setup-guide-project/148764
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    Wendell & Level1Techs can be found here (they're uploading a video from GN HQ also!): de-film.com/ch-UC4w1YQAJMWOz4qtxinq55LQ
    In this video, we'll be installing software for our NAS. Find the hardware below:
    ASRock Rack X470D4U2-2T AM4 Motherboard w/ IPMI (Amazon): geni.us/cqFS
    AMD Ryzen R5 3600 (Amazon): geni.us/XMMNrW
    SilverStone CS381 (Amazon): geni.us/1fqCikA
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    Old NetApp disk shelf
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    Host: Steve Burke
    Guest: Wendell from Level1Techs
    Video: Andrew Coleman
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Gamers Nexus
Gamers Nexus

You can find part 1 (hardware setup) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hix0l8cFaMw (hardware is linked in the description) Subscribe to Wendell & Level1Techs! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4w1YQAJMWOz4qtxinq55LQ Wendell's tutorial is here: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/zfs-on-unraid-lets-do-it-bonus-shadowcopy-setup-guide-project/148764

Vor 7 Monate
Zephyr
Zephyr

You should go check some Spaceinvador one videos. You'll get how to run your UnRaid server.

Vor 7 Monate
Jan Girke
Jan Girke

Maybe you and Wendel can remind the guys who are programing Unraid to include @24:35 the scheduler plugin / functionality. I think they will get around doing it, just don't know their schedule.

Vor 7 Monate
thelongslowgoodbye
thelongslowgoodbye

@Andrew Smith He's from Kentucky.

Vor 7 Monate
Jerrod Frost
Jerrod Frost

There is a plugin that will give you the ability to schedule stuff. Have you tried installing the community applications plugin so you can have a simplified app store? You should be able to search available plugins and dockers there.

Vor 7 Monate
Faf Dus
Faf Dus

If I did this with a FX 8350 how bad would it be. I have FX 9590 motherboard that used for oc I think it would make a good board. It was 100 for the full setup.

Vor 7 Monate
Chad McCue
Chad McCue

Is unRaid only being used as a Docker container and KVM hypervisor in this implementation?

Vor 25 Tage
Pieter Rossouw
Pieter Rossouw

Was using a WD MyCloud NAS, skipped the QNAP Synology phase and went straight to UNRAID. It's pretty amazing what you're able to do easily with plug-ins. Gladly paid the 59USD for it within 5 days of the 30day free trial.

Vor Monat
Andrew Wiles
Andrew Wiles

I hate when you edit videos leaving stuff out. Have you learnt nothing from Joe Rogan? People don’t mind 3 hour videos. Very disappointed by part 1 editing a lot of it out. It would be nice for once to see a video from start to finish unedited. I wouldn’t care if it’s 8 hours long.

Vor Monat
Peter Lustig
Peter Lustig

unraid is the worst amateur software.. omg thats such a shit build.. fat fuck here has no clue.. he just throws money at things.

Vor Monat
Quarky
Quarky

ZFS isn't mainlined, and it will never be, that's its biggest problem. BTRFS on the other hand has been mainlined for many years now. The issue with BTRFS is the complexity involved in running fsck, granted it's rarely required, but when it is, it's panic inducing (speaking from personal experience :-p).

Vor 2 Monate
TheRangeControl
TheRangeControl

WTF?!?!?... Where is the HBA? What kind of HBA should we get? WHY cut this down to a small size (This is SUCH a rare topic that those of us who NEED information miss out, and FOR WHAT, people who can either skip forward in the video to what they want to see, or whine that it's too much information, who can seriously *&$# off because they DON'T have to watch it)? Some of us are DESPERATELY searching Youtube for guidance, and you guys are just fuckin' chucking valuable info!!! UGGGGHHHH!!!

Vor 2 Monate
TheRangeControl
TheRangeControl

I wish that they'd have put a pin on talking about shadow copy when they went over to ZFS. I have ADHD, and I had to watch this more than 10 times before I found out that he installed ZFS as Plug-in because they didn't call it out or talk about it really... they were joking and talking about other stuff.

Vor 2 Monate
brownishblue
brownishblue

I love when my favorite tech youtubers mention my other favorite youtubers :D

Vor 3 Monate
Sc0rphionx
Sc0rphionx

look i have to pause just to write this, Amazing 11:03. How you akw that you didnt know what LVM is. Im so subscribed to you because of this. To akw something that people should "believe you know" but u clearly dont is a humble amazing thing. kudos man... really kudos

Vor 3 Monate
Theangelofspace15
Theangelofspace15

worse video tutorial ever. PLEASE do not put DIY in a title if you are going to edit the whole Do IT part of the video.

Vor 3 Monate
Theangelofspace15
Theangelofspace15

This video teach nothing. What a disappointment.

Vor 3 Monate
SlimShadyLovesPastries
SlimShadyLovesPastries

I always find myself looking at the nipples of the guy who holds the Linode AMD CPU's. It's probably just cold in that data centre.

Vor 4 Monate
Sjengstah
Sjengstah

so i am not the only one who has star trek themed unRaid server? My server is called UNIMATRIX 01

Vor 4 Monate
James DiMaggio
James DiMaggio

I believe version 6.8.* of unraid has some scheduling functionality

Vor 4 Monate
Bert Nijhof
Bert Nijhof

I run my daily work on desktop and laptop in VMs. I run the VMs and the desktop Host from a 512GB nvme-SSD. The host is a minimal install of Ubuntu 19.10 with the experimental ZFS booting. I have a recovery install of Ubuntu using an ext4 partition on one of my two HDDs. In September 2019 I did try out this dual boot configuration in Virtualbox. I use ZFS to incremental copy my VMs from desktop to laptop, so on the road I have exactly the same distros with the same settings. Desktop and laptop also use the same Virtualbox shared folders (datasets) with all my info using the same mount points. My backup server is a 32-bits Pentium 4 HT (3.0 GHz) with 1.2TB in 4 HDDs (2 IDE and 2 SATA-1). It runs on FreeBSD 12.1 and weekly I run my incremental backups to that system out of 2003. Also this combination has been tested first in Virtualbox. The disadvantage is, that the Pentium limits the 1 Gbps link to 200 Mbps due to a 95% CPU load of the network process. I still have 4GB DDR2 and a 3-core Phenom, so I consider to look for a cheap AM2 motherboard to get ~800Mbps.

Vor 4 Monate
Blender Wiki
Blender Wiki

I like u guys but this is just a bad tech choice

Vor 4 Monate
SOU6900
SOU6900

Anyone else as confused as I am watching this?

Vor 4 Monate
EleganceEngine
EleganceEngine

So you said USB key but wasn't it m.2

Vor 4 Monate
techNOMAD
techNOMAD

What exactly does unRAID add to storage management that ZFS can't do? Web GUI? Why not just manage ZFS from the command line, w/o any unnecessary cruft? I've been using just ZFS like this for years. It's not hard. Anything more just eats into storage. Just make sure you use some form of BSD -- FreeBSD or Solaris derivative recommended. And it seems like most of what the chunky dude's saying is going over the hairy guy's dude's head, even rudimentary things like LVM, shadow copy, etc. It seems chunky guy's mentioning of 'md' flew right over. Doesn't this channel belong to the hairy guy, and he claims to be a tech expert? Not meaning to offend, but he knows virtually nothing about storage.

Vor 4 Monate
rdsii64
rdsii64

I know this is an old video but how loud is that netapp disk shelf?

Vor 4 Monate
BigHeadClan
BigHeadClan

Starting to wonder if my client will notice if I rename all of our network shares into nerdy Star-trek References.... They do Fuell Cell R&D so they'd probably get a good laugh out of it.

Vor 4 Monate
Tim Ramich
Tim Ramich

I don't know. I'd rather invest in high CPU power and encode video under software rather than hardware. You can get way more bang for your byte. Yeah, it's slower, but that's life. GPU encoding is geared towards super-low latency. It's gamer tech. The sacrifice is quality and file size.

Vor 4 Monate
meep
meep

USB keys are really unreliable in this context.

Vor 5 Monate
xpyr
xpyr

I wonder if it's possible to configure unraid in a way that you don't have to specifically specify which drives are spare drives and instead it just uses the free space on all the drives to recover when a drive goes bad. I do see you can add drives as caching drives, so I like that. Also wondering if it works in a cluster where it magically syncs up the data on all the servers in the cluster. Then runs vm's in the cluster where it moves a vm over to another server, with very little downtime, if the server it's running on all of a suddenly becomes unavailable. And then supports the idea of virtual ip's, such as for dockers so that if the server, for example the lan cache docker, is running becomes unavailable, it starts up on another server and that virtual ip that it was using then is moved over to the new server that docker is now running on.

Vor 5 Monate
brkbeat junkie
brkbeat junkie

Spinning rust. I like that.

Vor 5 Monate
Joel Olson
Joel Olson

The HBA card you used only had internal connectors, how did you go about routing the external connections from the disk shelf to those connections? Just through an open PCIe slot with no cover?

Vor 6 Monate
Thomas Cush
Thomas Cush

Don't name it tank, have it identify by UUID and see if he can remember that.

Vor 6 Monate
BLKMGK4
BLKMGK4

unRAID has a pretty robust community, you'll find there's a plug-in for CRON :) Their Container interface is pretty outstanding too - until you want to do things outside of their ecosystem and then it's a little harder but again the community kicks butt building Containers. Also, be careful editing at the XML level, that's under the covers and could get reset when you tweak something in the GUI.

Vor 6 Monate
shadoh9113
shadoh9113

Love seeing more enterprise and soho content! Reminds me of work, and some of the stuff level1 mentioned with the details are good to know details. Keep it up!

Vor 6 Monate
shadoh9113
shadoh9113

Would tdarr meet the scripted transcode needs? Install the docker, point to the library, and setup your plugins for transcoding. It's been working wonders on my media folders.

Vor 6 Monate
Rizon1985
Rizon1985

This video made me miss Windows Home Server. RIP :'(

Vor 6 Monate
US
US

Wish I knew Wendell and Steve were so into trek. Wendell should have shown up stating “Please State The Nature Of The Technical Emergency”

Vor 6 Monate
US
US

So if Steve and Wendell ever build a NAS with the Great Wall PSU, will they call it an “Oberth Class?”

Vor 6 Monate
David Bateman
David Bateman

i use esxi on my dell r710, is unraid any better for running half a dozen VMs?

Vor 6 Monate
Home Home
Home Home

btrfs and or zfs using VDO?

Vor 7 Monate
Chris Chambers
Chris Chambers

I found this interesting, but for me - there was  lot missed out,  like the showing us more about the VM's cashing  and a clear work through of setting up the ZFS

Vor 7 Monate
WWNSX
WWNSX

No seriously Wendell we need nerdy Infomercials especially the BtrFS one.

Vor 7 Monate
Boris Dessimond
Boris Dessimond

Watched the video when it came out. Managed to grab 72TB for 600$. Enough to store my "personnal 4K BR collection", to game on it, and to act as a free server to collect data from LORA sensors. Now I'm turning my 1950X based gaming/video editing computer to a server... Wanted to get information on LSI cards configuration, came back to watch the video again :p.

Vor 7 Monate
BIZKIT
BIZKIT

It's funny to see a gamer bro be completely lost in what Wendell is talking about.

Vor 7 Monate
Daniel Bernhard
Daniel Bernhard

Nice. Youre the first ohne i mention, Who doesnt go all on the Top Hardware. Instead searched a Konfiguration which maches your needs, with some headroom.

Vor 7 Monate
Ace Strife
Ace Strife

I wish I had a friend like Wendell. Unfortunately I'm that friend.. without the enterprise knowledge whatsoever. FeelsBadMan. Trying to learn about all this NAS, SAS and other misc stuff in order to upgrade my 9 drive system (new MB's only have 8 SATA ports) without spending ludicrous amounts of money for no benefit (consolidating 2 drives into 1 of a higher capacity). It's really difficult due to just how much stuff is out there; completely overwhelmed.

Vor 7 Monate
Aaron Argent
Aaron Argent

Don't forget to add in recycle bin plugin for a place to store deleted files before cleaning them out

Vor 7 Monate
Scorpius165
Scorpius165

Steve, love your content! Do you think you could do a review for gaming monitors sometime (such as the Gigabyte Aorus I guess you're using in this video)?

Vor 7 Monate
Act1veSp1n
Act1veSp1n

"pretty straightforward" = requires years of linux knowledge to have a bare minimum working Unraid setup.

Vor 7 Monate
Florian Trück
Florian Trück

Wendell's tutorial is full of errors. On many commands the label name is on wrong order. The steps regarding autosnapshot should be more detailed: How do you get the script, what does need to be patched, a link to an already patched version of the script would be very nice.

Vor 7 Monate
Minor League Gaming
Minor League Gaming

Tfw I remember calling them zamba shares.

Vor 7 Monate
MustangsbyMatt
MustangsbyMatt

I consider myself a fairly tech savvy person but server stuff just makes my brain hurt. VDev? Pools? Huh??

Vor 7 Monate
SikSlayer
SikSlayer

Wendell says UnRAID runs off the USB stick... almost (key word, ALMOST) implying that it's better to do that than install it on its own drive, like a cheap small SSD. But why?

Vor 7 Monate
SikSlayer
SikSlayer

@Joe Spurlock Thank you for the explanation, its just hard to fathom... logs and stuff even. But what proves you're correct is the fact there's dedicated internal USB ports for this specific purpose.

Vor 7 Monate
Joe Spurlock
Joe Spurlock

Small linux OS's like UnRaid (or FreeNAS, VMware ESXi etc) can just load to RAM (basically creating a RAMdrive after booting from the USB). UnRaid actually doesn't write much to the USB, so it works out fine - and fairly trivial to make a backup of it if USB ever fails. Short answer - would be a waste to take up a SATA slot for SSD to do such a minor thing. Many server boards have internal USB port for just this purpose.

Vor 7 Monate
Pandu Poluan
Pandu Poluan

I'm always happy to see ZFS in the mainstream. It's a severely underrated filesystem, but once one 'gets' it, anything else would never make one satisfied. EDIT: Also, for scheduling stuff, if it's a Linux I'd just bite the bullet and use *Apache Airflow* http://airflow.apache.org/ . Sure, it's MUCH more complex than writing cronjobs, but the flexibility and its built-in monitoring feature is the bee's knees for me.

Vor 7 Monate
papageorgi
papageorgi

I think you guys may want to try freenas since I believe 11.3 (stable af beta at the moment) has updated smb shares and you don't need to setup cron jobs manually

Vor 7 Monate
CKOD
CKOD

Ive been casually trying to plan a NAS build for the past month or two, but it always spirals out of control quickly. "Z2 because of read failures being so likely during a rebuild of a Z1, and a single VDEV is so slow, limited to 1 drives speed, so why not 2 VDEVs, but usage efficiency is shit if you just have 4 disks per VDEV, , and the 8 and 10 TB WD reds are quieter, and lower power, and faster than the 4 and 6 TB units, and I really want 10 Gb networking because 1Gb is poopy" etc, until I'm looking at a $1500+ box before the 8-12 $250 drives... And I just keep going "screw it, just throw 2 mirrored drives in an old PC and deal with it when its full"

Vor 7 Monate
Joe Spurlock
Joe Spurlock

Sounds like you should look at SnapRaid !

Vor 7 Monate
BitKrieger
BitKrieger

I know Wendell would say "It's fine..." but using /dev/sd* I am disappointed... ^^

Vor 7 Monate
PerfectBee
PerfectBee

I have been researching FreeNAS and UnRaid and have yet to decide my path. However, I am confused by one statement made by Wendell. Specifically, around 6:48 he states "FreeNAS doesn't do hardware passthrough". Over in the FreeNAS forums I have been asking about the possibility of running FreeNAS in a VM and, although there is lots of debate about that, there seem to be folks there who are specifically using FreeNAS in a VM with passthrough. Who is correct? PS: Not interested the the FreeNAS vs. Unraid debate here - just want to know if the statement about FreeNAS not supporting passthrough is accurate.

Vor 7 Monate
Joe Spurlock
Joe Spurlock

I think he should have said "it does it poorly" -- Linux KVM virtualization is outpacing FreeNAS (which is BSD). User base on BSD is way smaller, and the GIANT server farm crowd is pushing the KVM tech forward fast.

Vor 7 Monate
Carl Vanderlip
Carl Vanderlip

Why go FreeNAS/unRAID when SnapRAID-MergerFS+Linux of Choice is right there?

Vor 7 Monate
Joe Spurlock
Joe Spurlock

Wendell kind of didn't say it very distinctly, but I think he finds the KVM VM Hypervisor (esp. the hardware passthru) features are nice on UnRaid, something they've really improved, while technically being possible on UnRaid. What I'm confused about is why he didn't just point a VM to external disks and run ZFS on the VM?. Also UnRaid has a nice docker hypervisor (I think he's missing some recent upgrades that does allow better network config in the containers). Overall, UnRaid is really fleshed out feature wise by using the plugin that makes an AppStore out of containers and other plugins that the community has built (there's some true talent in the community, very dedicated) - such as the CRON job scheduling, Recycle Bin (for the array shares), and for that matter some of the scripts he was mentioning. You can tell he's not particularly familiar with UnRaid - part of why the developers have not incorporated some of this in is 1) the community plugins are great and 2) as Wendell said (criticism for FreeNAS), a NAS should default to KISS / Idiotproof out of the box. The UnRaid audience has largely been HTPC crowd. However, with things like LInuxServer.IO creating fabulous dockerized apps, UnRaid is becoming quite flexible.

Vor 7 Monate
saultube44
saultube44

unRAID=unEASY just use Linux or Windows server editions, what a PIA

Vor 7 Monate
King Gremlin
King Gremlin

Unraid is very easy if you are looking for an archiving/file server. This video is demonstrating a bizarre configuration and Wendell is terrible at explaining what he is doing while the video admittedly skips steps making this process even more cryptic to follow. As someone who set up his own Unraid server at home with relative ease, this is absolutely not an Unraid tutorial. There are many better sources online for learning the basics of Unraid and how to implement commonly used features.

Vor 7 Monate
Mytime Media
Mytime Media

GN and L1T, I have been posting on LT1 forums about using ZFS and want to give a big thanks to Wendell for all of his help (getting me and my system working correctly) Have you tried checking your throughput on the array? Are you using only the ZFS array, or are you also using the Unraid array (for backup) Wendell suggested my current config for ZFS. 3 3drive raidz1 array I would love to see tests from your array setup. Thank you guys again for the video, because I really like Unraid, but the slow speeds were my biggest issue.

Vor 7 Monate
saultube44
saultube44

"just the 14 TB Hard Disks" certified r/DataHoarder member

Vor 7 Monate
saultube44
saultube44

ghost32 why people say is great? you had to had a compatible NIC, and many other things to be compatible with, even HDD drivers, in short a nightmare if you have some non-popular generally expensive hardwarein ghost32 database, there was Many other products that worked better, even an .iso maker would be better, stop saying that piece of trash software was great, it was fucking not!

Vor 7 Monate
1strog
1strog

What about disk encryption?

Vor 7 Monate
Edmond Lai
Edmond Lai

Why on earth would you downgrade from Synology DSM to unRAID??? Why would you complicate matters by using ZFS??? If you find the Synology hardware too limiting, just run XPEnology on your own hardware. Heck, you can even run XPEnology in a VM...

Vor 7 Monate
Yaron Ilan
Yaron Ilan

Question: What is your data backup solution for all of this new storage?

Vor 7 Monate
Beelzybud
Beelzybud

While watching this I felt like I wanted to see block diagrams of the layout Wendell was describing.

Vor 7 Monate
Beelzybud
Beelzybud

@Joe Spurlock Thanks!

Vor 7 Monate
Joe Spurlock
Joe Spurlock

watch SpaceInvader's channel on UnRaid tutorials - does just that !

Vor 7 Monate
Pedro Nascimento
Pedro Nascimento

Just a reminder that there is a docker container for handbrake which might make it more efficient, no need to allocate RAM specifically for it.

Vor 7 Monate
Johnny BeGood
Johnny BeGood

Wendell, I can’t wait for your next video about comparing Server solutions like Unraid and FreeNAS.

Vor 7 Monate
Robbin Milatz
Robbin Milatz

This is just great. The only reason I stuck with FreeNAS was ZFS, unraid here I come.

Vor 7 Monate
lord-carlos
lord-carlos

Can't they use Handbreak CLI on linux? Or why use it through a Windows VM?

Vor 7 Monate
i, Scotticus
i, Scotticus

Wait. What about cryptid traffic??? Just let them do their thing!

Vor 7 Monate
i, Scotticus
i, Scotticus

There's something very satisfying/comforting about all this.

Vor 7 Monate
Alan
Alan

Steve you should've named the pool Darkmatter or Warp Core or something.... instead of just "tank". It's the USS Excelsior after all.

Vor 7 Monate
Robag - IPX
Robag - IPX

lolz windows eating paste love your work Wendell :D

Vor 7 Monate
Paul
Paul

Soooo when Wendel leaves the building, Steve is going to rip out the unraid ubs stick and install windows server and setup simple raid 5 array and call it the day.

Vor 7 Monate
Zheka Labzhinov
Zheka Labzhinov

Wendell I'm disappointed. You couldn't get freenas to work on ryzen, so you shoved a bastardized plugin into unraid for zfs support? That thing is atrocious and completely unsupported by the unraid team. Let's forget entirely the fact that zfs needs lots of ECC more than it needs more cores. If you wanted passthrough, you could have gone with proxmox. Which is free and actually has a very stable and well tested version of ZFS as a primary citizen. Why are YouTube's obsessed with unraid....

Vor 7 Monate
Nemesis 851
Nemesis 851

Happy with my XPENology

Vor 7 Monate
Pili Logan
Pili Logan

Great job once again both of you, Wendell you are the person to go to for nuts and bolts, but darn you can spit it out fast.

Vor 7 Monate
Jimmy Jones
Jimmy Jones

Who remaps delete?

Vor 7 Monate
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any Troll4Life

Vor 7 Monate
Scott A
Scott A

Wendell + Steve = Awesome!

Vor 7 Monate
Jason Majere
Jason Majere

Than propagates it other machines...that sounds like a virus.lol

Vor 7 Monate
SyberPrepper
SyberPrepper

Thanks guys for these videos. It's great you can do ZFS on Unraid, FreeNAS and Proxmox. Lot's of options.

Vor 7 Monate
Grant Hodgeon
Grant Hodgeon

Hi, I think there's a polarisation of responsibilities when it comes to the success of UNRAID. Namely in the more complex core features of unraid vs what can be achieved with the app store/plugins. I've found some very fantastic utilities to enhance the unraid experience. Namely libvert hotplug and auto user scripts. Cheers

Vor 7 Monate
Curtis B
Curtis B

I'd love to see this sort of thing look more the decision making process and enabling that. "why do you do, why do you do it, here's the solution that maps to that and why". These two parts felt like random bits of the process that folks would have a hard time determining if it applies to their (likely lesser) needs/desires.

Vor 7 Monate

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