On Writing: Mentor Characters [ Iroh l Obi-Wan l Cersei l Lupin ]

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Booi Mangang
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All these analyser talk about is Avatar and FMA Brotherhood. I wonder if they ever watch other show/series

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Do you know if somebody made the entire Inheritance Cycle in campfire?

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Kor Gaupisc
Kor Gaupisc

I can't believe that Albus Dumbledore was not mentioned ONCE in this video

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Boslatine
Boslatine

I may have disliked Julius Root but he never deserved death. He was the first character death for me and I cried when it happened. It was also more satisfying to see what happened to Opal. She could have gotten much worse entirely

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Josh. Outcast
Josh. Outcast

But does a mentor have to have a long role in the story?

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David Galvan
David Galvan

I wish I had a mentor character

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Metalhammer1993
Metalhammer1993

Honestly with Harry and Remus I like how Harry in book 7 becomes the mentor to Remus. Remus wants to leave his pregnant wife because he believes their child would have to be ashamed of him. He'd be a disgrace because he's a werewolf. Where Hermione cries that Remus would make a wonderful father, Harry who knows the truth much better, the truth Remus isn't just "a werewolf" acts like you said by subverting expactation. "I don't know Hermione. I would be pretty ashamed." Harry, who even forgave Peter Pettigrew, the traitor who got his parents killed, the boy Remus taught to create a patronus would be ashamed of him? Yes. But not for being a werewolf. Harry calls Remus out on his cowardice and makes him realize what kind of father, what kind of man he wants to be. They come to blows but Remus returns to Tonks and by the time of the battle they are married. I love how the roles are reversed between the two in deathly hollows.

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Cristina Rocha
Cristina Rocha

Great video. Never seen Cersei as a mentor, but when you showed it, wow. :)

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Catherine Cao
Catherine Cao

Does the mentor have to die? Or can they just disappear from the protagonist’s life? And what’s the difference?

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Jamie L
Jamie L

Interesting video. Though there is so much more you can dig into with negative story arcs and failed mentors. Obi-Wan in particular. Remember, the council chose Obi-wan to mentor Anakin, coupled with Qui-Gon's dying wish. This was a forced relationship; and where Anakin clearly needed a father figure (like Qui-gon, or if you watch the clone wars like several other jedi masters) but ended up with someone who gave him a brother relationship. But does the fault lie in Obi-Wan's failure or the Jedi council's failure?

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Fernando Rüth
Fernando Rüth

Piccolo will always be my favorite mentor

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Ramko Zhuban
Ramko Zhuban

Thank you for the video and the ad recommendation. I've been wanting to write a horror story for years but I keep hitting a wall. This will help me immensely

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Lykoref
Lykoref

Broke author that needs campfire, no torrents. Anyone got codes for it?

Vor 24 Tage
MasterAidan
MasterAidan

I could use a mentor character myself.

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Hi There
Hi There

At first I was thinking about The Giver from The Giver and then you mention him the next second 😆

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Sawyer Bourquin
Sawyer Bourquin

The thing about Izumi is that she did try to stop the Elrics from making their mistake. They learned it from her, they learned it from books, but they were so arrogant that they couldn't accept the Truth until they had discovered it for themselves (ironically enough). If anything, the Truth that she taught them in their action-reaction was that they should have trusted her insight more because she'd made the same mistake herself.

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Cale Bee
Cale Bee

Another reason why the last Jedi is a great film

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Luckman McSqueeze’bo
Luckman McSqueeze’bo

I plan to write a protagonist who is a mentor for another character. Think I should mix things up

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Fin Lynham
Fin Lynham

Misguided mentors are great

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Red Gold Crown
Red Gold Crown

this video made me realize that my story's deuteragonist is actually a mentor for an arc. it's funny, but I never knew because he's only partway into knowing the Truth himself and he isn't much older than the protagonist. you made me realize I need him taking more mentor scenes to a) build his relationship with the protagonist, b) develop his own understanding of the Truth, and c) hopefully make the protagonist not quite so stabby. thanks a bunch and I will now go see about plotting that XD.

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Anandhu Jayaram
Anandhu Jayaram

Liked how you sh*ted on last Jedi

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bread bread
bread bread

So I recently reread a story I wrote when I was 16 and literally the only thing I am somewhat proud of is how I handled the mentor. He wasn't just a old white dude aspousing platitudes, but a guy trying to build a revolutionary movement when zombies make all hell break lose. He teaches the protagonist(a lesbian that had been raised by abusive and bigoted parents) that she can not and doesn't need to do everything on her own and that she can't just let her past eat her up from the inside. His death was getting shot in the knee, and he was still around, but mostly in the background, recovering, later doing logistics, helping raise kids and cooking for the group. You know, things that someone who can't walk would be able to do.

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Enrath
Enrath

The mentor character is almost always my favorite character. It's really often that a mentor is killed off somehow because they are generally way too powerful for the antagonist to be a threat lol imagine if Beerus involved himself in Gokus fights

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Baltu Lielkungs Gunārs Miezis
Baltu Lielkungs Gunārs Miezis

You know what, your example of how Sansa was corruped by Sersy, on top of me having had a grate day with excersise real work and eating and playing with family only to sit down at a computer have people call me hateful for fealing love on Quora has given me the understanding that I should really stop using social media the way I do else I will never be truly happy. Eddit: Lie of nobility? Nobility is real its just that those who hate it refuse to aknolage that else they would have to aknolage that they are evil by comparison to noblemen.

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porky11
porky11

About Campfire: I don't know, why I would need this. I just use a bunch of directories and text files. And when I want to have more complicated timelines, I use a program I wrote, which does not only allow multilinear stories, but also alternative paths (probably more useful for games). And you can also simulate them. For example after klicking the first event, two new events are highlighted, which are not directly related to each other and might occur in any order or at the same time. They might also be alternate paths, so when you click one, the other will not be highlighted/clickable anymore. https://gitlab.com/porky11/pn-editor There are even more features, but I'll ignore them for now. (if it does not work, just report a bug; I might rewrite some of the stuff anyway soon) Maybe I should add some of the features to my program as well. It's open source and free and I can make it work on any device (currently it should work on windows, linux and mac). Also my goal is to be able to import the information into games, so you don't have to reprogram all the relationships into the game, but just use some tools, which I created or will have to create.

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Emanuel Jimenez
Emanuel Jimenez

I kept waiting for you bring up Shifu from kung fu panda. Cynical mentor that goes through his own Arc.

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Fish Head
Fish Head

Oh common eragon was a better example than last jedi

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kibo espoir
kibo espoir

Can someone please tell me why there are almost no female mentors?

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CreativeUsername
CreativeUsername

Obi-wan leaned more towards being a brother to Anakin than the perfect mentor which ultimately lead to Anakin's doom. Qui-Gon however was the perfect mentor for Anakin as he knew how to form a balamce between love and the duty of a Jedi. But Qui-Gon died which changed the entire fate of Anakin in the Duel of the Fates which is why the battle is called Duel of the Fates. That duel and the survival of Qui-Gon in that duel would determine the entire fate of Anakin.

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David Draghici
David Draghici

16:17 Again, reminds me of shifu

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David Draghici
David Draghici

14:15 Shifu is a good subversion of this

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Chicken Draws Dogs
Chicken Draws Dogs

Then there's the mentor that's literally in your head, wreaking havoc and turning you into a version of himself in modern time - on one hand makes you wanna slap the guy, and on the other makes you realize that no amount of eddies can buy back your soul when you hand it over to the corporations.

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Podemos URSS
Podemos URSS

DON'T LECTURE ME OBI-WAN! I SEE THROUGH THE TROPES OF THE JEDI!

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Zed Amadeus
Zed Amadeus

This is great video but why do the cuts keep skipping around?

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Hannah Hartung
Hannah Hartung

I think I’ve liked every video of yours that I’ve watched. Not because I feel the need to do so but because at some point in each video you make such an incredibly well spoken and useful point or flipped a concept in a way I would have never considered, that I feel deeply inclined to like such a well made video.

Vor 2 Monate
Germanus
Germanus

Curse you for including "leaves on the vine" i came here for education, not tears!

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Tony, the Hawk
Tony, the Hawk

Littlefinger is a better mentor than Cersi

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Noah Harris
Noah Harris

Hey, had an idea that I wanted to put out here and get opinions on. I do some personal writing in my free time, and an idea for a plot occurred to me. I won't give out too much detail, just the important stuff, but how do you all think you'd react if the story focused on a young character being mentored while going on a 'quest' (think Zuko/Iroh style but I'm not nearly that good of a writer) only for the twist to be that the student and supposed protagonist of the story is killed, only to then turn the narrative focus toward the mentor and how they cope with the loss? As I'm writing this, I realize it draws very heavily on Jason Todd's evolution into Red Hood from the Batman mythos, but if anyone has other examples or critiques I'd love to hear them!

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Juan Hernandez
Juan Hernandez

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szrene99
szrene99

Combine multiple semi-useless characters. Maybe the love interest cohld also be your mentor. (Just not in the "skilled lady quickly trains protag guy so he can save the day and surpass her" way) Friends, family, enimies, lovers can all have the truth to your lie.

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George Kouris
George Kouris

Excellent video

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Michael Drzyzga
Michael Drzyzga

Thought about combining two of your points: 1) The mentor doesn't need to know all the truth - just more than the protagonist. 2) Having the mentor die not just for the usual trope, but because of the mentor's own flaws. So bring them together: Imagine a mentor who dies because of their own flawed understanding. Perhaps even the wisdom they imparted to the protagonist was a watered-down/beginners version/over-simplified version of the Truth. A mentor who was less wrong than the protagonist, but in the end, still wrong. And that leads to the mentor's death. Do we see a backslide in the protagonist after this? What's the fallout?

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Bad Tempered Badger
Bad Tempered Badger

You could have picked ANY example. ANY EXAMPLE.

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Soto olivas Carlos jesus
Soto olivas Carlos jesus

in the manga my hero academia you can find people saying "all might needed to die" at the all for one fight... I never undesrtood that, I mean It's like begging to make the story more generic just so they can feel more comftabl e about it...

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Iluvlittenanimations2.0
Iluvlittenanimations2.0

“I’m the mentor, that means that my job is to say something about destiny, give y’all fancy swords, throw y’all vaguely in the direction of the villain, then die tragically. Luckily for you three, I’m an old spirit woman stuck in this labyrinth and none of you use swords, so I’m just going to keep you guys from killing yourselves then kick you out of this labyrinth, got it?”

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The name of the channel made me sub

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Ariane Rainsinger
Ariane Rainsinger

Oh no, what a kiddy voice zuko has in english . . . Like what the hell . . .

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Ryan Aloe
Ryan Aloe

You can’t just play leaves from the vine like that without a trigger warning

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I am Krazy
I am Krazy

Zuko: My Uncle OUR UNCLE

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Jon H
Jon H

Peter B. Parker for the cynical mentor character arc 👌

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Brbrbrbreanna D
Brbrbrbreanna D

“I find that my characters’ eye colors often change” ...Why does this feel like a personal attack 👁👄👁

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Alicia Soth

The healthy beginner posteriorly cause because bookcase ultrastructually grin opposite a cynical bassoon. massive, petite offence

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SuchDigi0rno

21:17

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Aangsstaff
Aangsstaff

[obligatory comment]

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Sebsanonlebus
Sebsanonlebus

Question: Do Mentors have to be old? Or look old? One of my characters is technically in his 60's, but because of immortality looks as though he is in his 20's

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Cnel. Valentina
Cnel. Valentina

Campfire is like the solution for all my problems, thank you sooo much

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Cnel. Valentina
Cnel. Valentina

15:08 why... WHYYYYYY

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Alex Daugherty
Alex Daugherty

you really had to use that Iron audio ;,(

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Ethereal Dweller
Ethereal Dweller

Dang.

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Anime Trip
Anime Trip

Great.

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Khal Logo
Khal Logo

Um, who has Cersei “mentored?” I don’t think anybody views her as a mentor figure

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Khal Logo
Khal Logo

Except dummies

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Mystical Keyblade
Mystical Keyblade

Steven from SU is a mouthpiece for the idea of forgiveness. It’s really dumb and honestly not everyone is meant to be forgiven

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Naseerudeen Mohammed
Naseerudeen Mohammed

Iroh's lie to Zuko was that he slayed the last dragons, Ran and Shaw

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Madeleine Archer
Madeleine Archer

This is amazing. Definitely subscribing. I'm not a writer however I love literature and education and 'English' as a subject. So I've taken to watching video essays like this whenever they pop up. So educational and informative. You talk about things that I already know are going on and are important, but couldn't point out and expand on on my own. So thank you for enlightening me- kinda like a mentor. Now I'm gonna go binge the rest of your videos ahah

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Bael KFP Loyalty Enforcer
Bael KFP Loyalty Enforcer

At this point the only people who don't read Harry Potter are hipsters. Doesn't matter what the author says about its characters. She's gone nuts. Wont stop me from enjoying her books though

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Isaiah Isaac
Isaiah Isaac

If anakin had iroh has his mentor he woulda never became sith

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AestheticSloth
AestheticSloth

Qui Gon was the Iroh equivalent, but Palps made sure it never happened that he got to teach Anakin

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Prathmesh Andani
Prathmesh Andani

My favorite thing about obi wan as a mentor is that we see him grow with the protagonist. He knows that he has failed as a mentor to Anakin but does not give up . He waits patiently in the desert till Luke is ready . He does not repeat his mistakes and succeeds with Luke.

Vor 5 Monate
Prathmesh Andani
Prathmesh Andani

The only problem with the mentors of modern fiction as that we don't see the mentors personal struggle or arc and that they are perfect from the start.

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J. David
J. David

Well done!

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Mireille Stormblessed
Mireille Stormblessed

your videos are incredibly helpful! thank you!

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Jason Flamel
Jason Flamel

Your campfire descriptions are hilarious lol

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Dalton Burke
Dalton Burke

I came here just to her people say Iroh is the best and in the middle of typing this he says it in the first 10 seconds 😂💯👏

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Aditya V.P
Aditya V.P

Can mentor forces the character to a negative arc by their will

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Ebay
Ebay

I love Iroh, He’s like the wisest guy yet you can see how he grew to be the wisest He was a prince and the fire nation, A general in that “evil” nation Yet he grew to be this lovable guy

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Bilal Khares
Bilal Khares

Does anyone get annoyed that Iroh pretends to be unconscious to hold June, it comes off as creepy and Iroh is such an amazing character

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king kong
king kong

Iroh vs oogway who will win

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AestheticSloth
AestheticSloth

They would both just sit down and talk, so I'd say it's a draw

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I Liked Google Plus
I Liked Google Plus

I love Iroh

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Awkward Semantic
Awkward Semantic

They added a World Building Add On :-O

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17:34 I know you needed a clip, but he Eragon movie is SO BAD and I want expecting to see a clip from it lmao. Just like another movie that doesn't exist, this one doesn't either.

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N

The other thing I love about Iroh is even years later, I can still find new uses or meanings for things he says. HE'S SO GOOD.

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Carlos Delgado
Carlos Delgado

This video helped me take my wooden characters and make them breathe ACTUAL life. Thank you for your hard work. Subbed and liked.

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Anon Ymous
Anon Ymous

It's important to note...a very clear part of Darth Vader's character is that he deeply regret his decision to go to the dark side...and hates himself for it...which ironically keeps him firmly chained to the dark side...Obi Won didn't fail, Anakain failed.

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Jonathan Snavely
Jonathan Snavely

I need to start taking notes on these

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Sim. Frischh
Sim. Frischh

Whenever people use the fight Toth vs. The Boulder, they never show how she wins. Not complaining, i merely noticed a pattern.

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Marco Camaiti
Marco Camaiti

thanks man, this is some very useful writing advice

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VMelmorra
VMelmorra

I really enjoyed this

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Jayce Degnan
Jayce Degnan

Uncle Iroh is the best mentor ever.

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GaramondGourmond
GaramondGourmond

I watched the original Star Wars and I had always wondered what the "failure of Obi-wan" was. And wasn't until I watched the Attack of the Clones that understood where the mentor failed. He simply failed to treat Anakin as a special case and instead trained, no raised, him as a standard Jedi. Had Obi-wan taken Anakin's mother-dreams as real and important and went with Anakin to save her, I think Anakin's path would have taken a different route. Anakin would have seen that the Jedi ARE compassionate and WERE flexible enough to see the importance of the individual AS WELL AS the needs of "the many". It's a similar arc as Spock in the Star Trek movies. Both the individual and the many are important and neither is divisible from the other.

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Helena da Silva
Helena da Silva

I think you forgot a good way to "kill the mentor" is between Lupin and Harry in the Deathly Hallows, where Lupin offers to join Harry and the others while leaving his pregnant wife. That scene was important because up til then, Lupin didn't have many mistakes and you didn't see him loose control over his emotion, up until that scene, where all his frustrations about being a werewolf and how society treats him comes out. In that scene Harry become the mature one, and put Lupin at his place and make him go back to his pregnant wife, risking their friendship in the process because of his brutally honesty on Lupin's choice. In the end they become closer and Lupin asks Harry to become godfather for his child.

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Nerdalot du Lac
Nerdalot du Lac

Your channel is gold.

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16000 48366
16000 48366

Most fucked up killing of mentor to me was Kamina. He wasn't an old wise man. Very unexpected. He was also young and not a typical mentor. "Kick out logic and do the impossible." God that was a good show.

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KH90
KH90

I’m very surprised that Dumbledore wasn’t brought up in this video, especially given how much his personal history came into play after his death and how much his death mattered to the plot and Harry’s personal growth.

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ToxicWaffle183
ToxicWaffle183

How tf did I immediately start crying at “brave soldier boy”

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TheDuckCow
TheDuckCow

Campfire Pro makes me want to actually write more, really nice demonstration of that at the end

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Elizabeth Kuhn
Elizabeth Kuhn

Most definitely I'd go into the Avatar world because I LOVE the story and idea of bending.

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Dave Cullins
Dave Cullins

Let's just call him "Iroh the Wise" already!

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Brownell Landrum
Brownell Landrum

https://www.writerswrite.co.za/the-relationship-between-writers-their-cats/?fbclid=IwAR3QM8uDyDHj7zIya5JibjnPFtPZ9idrg-eWfB7OvuXLZ9CZ3yH6uDst3RY

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Brownell Landrum
Brownell Landrum

You'll like this, Tim. https://www.facebook.com/roadmapwriters/photos/a.631337347225327/1175179192841137/?type=3&theater

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