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Defense is no longer a viable option considering how referees call fouls at the smallest things.
B.S you still need to play defense. as much as offense is important so is defense I think people forget that a top 5 defensive team ALWAYS WINS the chip and the Trailblazers, Rockets. teams that only have offense but no defense are 5th seeds at best and never get past the second round. theres a reason for that.
@森 it's not going to stop great players, but it sure will make them work for it.. Hand checking will probably change approach of a player if ever it returns in NBA
Nba corporation ruined the game made players who could of been great into whining floppers. Not even on some old head shit they need to go back to pre 2000 rules because that’s when people started not watching anyway
Plus most of the spin moves that you showed would have been called travelling 10-15 years ago. There is a lot more ball carries as well that go unpunished, or arent considered a carry, and the concept of the zero step has been stretched to its limits. Factor in that there is no handchecking allowed in the perimeter and there you have it.
@Daniel Gloyd You're forgetting the massive rule changes that helped the defense and hurt stars iso scoring. In Jordan's era you were essentially forced to guard everyone 1 on 1 with very little help defense allowed, and absolutely no zones. When those rules changed, many iso stars like Kobe and McGrady complained because it made their lives harder. So while individual defense can do less now, team defense has way more liberty than ever. Jordan would obviously still be phenomenal but he is not averaging 40 a game, no shot.
Imagine Jordan playing in today's league. I'd love to see a hypothetical stat comparison with the pacing and increased 3 points taken from his stats. Not to mention all the rule changes to favor offense. I don't think seeing a higher than 40 point average per game would be out of the question.
100 percent agree with the handchecking element. Video talks about "defensive effort is at an all-time low" but fouls get called for such minor contact, just playing defense can get you in foul trouble.
@collinslogan 01 yep, many young stars like ja morant would struggle in the euroleague because of the stricter implementation of the rules. If you can do a flashy dunk, the refs won't care about the travel.
@Ken Day it isn’t going to happen though, to the average viewer big number and more dunks = cool I’m gonna watch more. It isn’t nearly as competitive and is incredibly one sided. Defense is almost non existent in this era, I hope they do more about it soon but it will inevitably cause points to go down and stats to go down for shooters which to most normies will look like the game is slowing down or getting more boring.
People aren't gonna recognize this but Kevin Love, believe it or not, deserves a lot of credit for starting the end of the "big man in the key" trope. He was probably one of the first 3-pt shooting centers.
Dirk and KG kinda somewhat did it before too.
@Giovanny Garica i
Mehmet Okur with Utah
You do realize Laimbeer did what he did 25 years ago
Also Chris bosh and dirk nowitzki
I would like to take my credit for inventing "postionless" basketball 15+ years ago with my franchise on NBA2k. A team full of quicker players between 6'5" and 6"10 who could all shoot the three. Thank you. I'm glad the NBA was taking notes
@Dichang Feng Fr. People seem to forget the nba is an entertainment corp. They introduce rules which boost entertainment factor, not necessarily good basketball factor.
Truly ahead of the curve
@Dichang Feng cry
years ago people defend the balls in regular seasons, today = no defence
Next 20 years, we gonna be guarding full court shots from taking place.. 😭😭
@Iggy Blitz honestly the nba should incorporate the 5 second closely guarded rule or whatever thats called. So there’ll be less iso, less 3s, and more ball movement. I’m surprised they never had that rule, not to my knowledge
It’s very plausible, due to advancements in technology, AI, and robotics.
@Trollificus 4 point line i coming its just a matter of time
@Trollificus Ha. This comment aged VERY well. Nice.
@Trollificus Soccer is a popular sport and sometimes the game ends with 1-0 😂
The NBA has become "positionless" basketball. Boys we were playing positionless basketball at recess in school. The NBA has turned into a recess pickup game.
@ozilthebeast mohe anybody can then
@Midorima Shintaro if pippin had the rules of the 90s there isnt somebody he couldn't guard
NO IT HAS NOT!!! Jokic IS NOT a "guard" ; he IS a center!!! Trae Young is NOT a "power forward"!!! Jrue Holiday is NOT a "small forward"!!!
You clearly know nothing about organised basketball then. With the exception of teams like the nets, the defensive schemes are very difficult to beat.
@Midorima Shintaro *6"3 Marcus Smart ( SG )- 2x All-Defensive First Team.* The Flop king is considered one of the best defenders in this soft league. What a joke. Scotte Pippen will dominate even more.
obviously the most important detail is the 2018/19 season change of the shot clock reset from 24 to 14 on offensive rebounds, creating a huge difference in the amount of possessions (and of course shots) per game --- not sure why this stays under the radar and was not mentioned ---- yes there was a curve before then with the curry analytics era, but the 14 sec shot clock is what caused the real explosion
@cjr1881 Even if that was true it’s kinda like they’re going 10/15 instead of 7/10, sure a little less efficient but they have WAY more opportunities to score
No. That should make them take bad shots and be unsuccessful.
I feel like we just need to look at Chris Paul's career to see how much the game has changed
yup, and now he's the first player ever to reach both 20k points and 10k assists
@Allen Simmons ?
@Allen Simmons ay yo what did you just say
Please let it go what if don't mean shit no more
This video is literally Vsauce but for basketball lmao, especially with the graph at the end. I think Nash would have had a fun time in our era tbh. A fast accurate shooter, who is pretty much the prototype Steph.
Steph doesnt have nashes court vision or passing ability though
And I mean “normal” by early 2020’s standards.
If Nash was asked to take a more normal amount of shots, do you still think he could have put up good efficiency?
@Anthony Hermann I do agree Nash would’ve taken more threes but Nash wasn’t a volume shooter so his shot attempts would’ve still been 14. And instead of 4 threes it would’ve been 6 or 7. So in a sense his scoring would’ve went up but not by much. You can’t score if you’re not shooting
@Anthony Hermann kd haven’t changed much, got to remember kd, harden, Steph all came around the same time. Steph got popular in 2012 kd took 5.2 threes a game and last season kd took 5.4. Kd 3 attempts always been consistent. I do agree with you that Steph influenced guys to take more threes like trey young d Mitchell and Luka but those guys are already volume shooters so instead of them taking 16 midrange and 4 threes they’re not taking 9 threes and 9 midrange. But they were gonna take 18 shots no matter what just the type of shots change for them.
One of the reasons I really like Kwahi Leonard aka The Claw. He's a Jordan era throwback that has an all-around game and defense prowess. A true GOAT set of skills. He sadly fell into the team-hopping trap so prevalent today which diminishes his ability to be the building block of a dynasty team.
Fr .... THAT raptors literally could be a dynasty and 3peated tbh.... But at the end of the day, it's his decision, and i respect it
@Benny någon they haven't won a championship yet. Also they are still jacking up 3s as a team, just not deboo.
@Chef Carry I mean Derozan still spams midrange jump shots and it’s working for him 🤷🏾♂️
He’s also become the “poster boy” for load management. And honestly people clown on Anthony Davis for being injury proned (which he is) but Kawhi Leonard is every bit if not more injury proned than him. Davis has played in 591 out of his teams available 764 games. 591/764 = 77.4% Kawhi has played in 576 out of his teams available 832 games. 576/832 = 69.2%
@Chef Carry but kawhi still won the championship and he mainly takes mid range shots. Don’t get me wrong that raptors team was stacked with great players but he proved that you don’t need to jack up a hundred 3s a game to win a title in this era.
Fast forward 50 years, people will be saying "well you played in the 20's. Everyone was putting up those numbers."
@ABC XYZ i love the 3/4 idea. I mean in 2/3 if a person is shooting 40% from 3 in 10 attempts he already scored 12. So the person who only shoots 2s on the same number of attempts need to atleast make 60% of his shot. That's a huge gap. In the 3/4 scenario 4s is like 16 pts. That means the 3s guy needs just 50% made shot to score 15. That's a little fair tbh. 4/5 pts is even fairer the problem is so much time will be consumed at the ft. Lol
@Tony Sanchez I want to thank you for this great analysis
@mahdi amine curry son and LeBron competing for the finals again
@thelegendsqb1 so how will they dribble the ball in 2050?
@Soloist Deve yes it will. It’s sport lol what will stop basketball from not being a thing🤡🤡
This video just reinforces WHAT I've been saying. Without Steve Kerr, you don't get Steph Curry with the freedom to do what he does. Steve Kerr changed the game, because any other coach would have put Steph (and the rest of the team) in a role. Also, don't forget, the area the defense has to guard tight is now twice as big.
Reminder the NBA in the early 1980's had scorelines similar to today. You had one game where both teams had over 180 points and this was before the 3 point line.
@Trippinator Machine Agreed man, there needs to be a balance between offense and defense. It's to slanted to offense now which takes away from the game. The playoffs are always better because they allow defense. Defense = competition.
@Trippinator Machine as a current player I would hand checks because I average 3-4 fouls a game until quite recently
@Demon King thats all I ask for: let the players be more physical on defense. This would highly limit players ability to score (obviously) but I would love to see hand-checking return. Of course players nowadays are more skilled than ever before but its easy for all the stars in today’s game to score at high levels bc the defense isn’t really that physical or tenacious. Not their fault of course but I just wish more things could be done in that regard
@Best Waifu: Nero Bride I'm an old head, and I call it soft because the touch fouls and all the technicals/flagrants that are called too easily which led to flopping. The high scoring thing isn't that much of an issue if they let defenders play physical defense again.
It’s often forgotten by old heads who like to call the moder era “soft” that during the 60s, 70s and 80s the pace of the game and scoring could get absurd. It was only during the 90s and 2000s when the game was grounded down to a halt
Would like him to explore the part about the hand check rule more. If you can’t put your hand on the offensive player then you have to back off so they don’t dribble past you. That gives you room to raise up and shoot. The game started to evolve once that rule changed. I agree that players are better shooters nowadays but that’s a byproduct of what I said above not because they’re more skilled. If you watch Hakeem’s post move you can’t say he’s not as skilled, but instead had to match his skill with physicality. All these teams chucking up 3s has led to the demise of the low post game, which in turn makes games boring because there’s hardly a difference in style between teams.
Tony Kukoc was the Doncic of his time. If he was given the green light and was able to continue his Euro play instead of being forced to bulk up, he would've gone on a tear in today's game.
Curry walked so the GOAT Joe Ingles could sprint
Joe Ingles would drop 50 on LeFraud and Jorflop in one quarter.
@kasanza Can we please keep this thread GOAT Ingles related?
You do realize people take shots from different areas, right? Shaq has higher efficiency because his shots are from 0 to 3 ft. Lebron's shots are about 70% from 0 to 3ft. Others shoot from further away.🤔
Haha! Man I’m dead. 😵
@Tony Sanchez Malone got baskets from pnr game not iso he could not shine Jordans shoes.
one thing i think you missed on the Tony Parker comparision is that he may have shot 52% because he wasnt taking those outside shots often. id say his PPG would be closer to 24-24.5 but hey point still stands. Ray Allen took 5.7 3PA so i could just imagine the numbers he wouldve posted.
Something to consider is the fact that the league is much more soft now than in the past, the smallest things the referee call faults, so is almost impossible to make a team based on the defense like Detroit, knicks and others in the past
You are just about my favorite of all of the basketball YouTubers, and with that said, I love some of these kind of detailed breakdowns and this one in particular interest me because I don't like today's style of basketball but I recognize how unique and different and revolutionary it is. With all that said I was hanging on every word as you were breaking this thing down and especially right after the Steve Nash interview, you made an interesting point that it's sort of true but completely false, let me explain what I mean. You talked about how most of us could name a lot of the high scores in the league but couldn't name the high rebounders in the league. I've always been a deep stats guy myself because I created my own unique fantasy basketball system that is unlike your traditional fantasy basketball where you play week to week. Week to week scoring eliminates head to head which is why fantasy football is so wildly popular and successful. Basketball baseball hockey etc with their week-to-week style takes all of the interest in it away. In week two week scoring it's not about who the best player is or at least the best player sometimes situationally but let's be honest, you don't bench Aaron rodgers. Even if it's a situation thing it's very rare that you bench your studs in football. But in basketball, if LeBron only has two games, you might start one of The Ball Brothers over him if they happen to have one of those five-game weeks. So years ago when me and my friends had started playing fantasy football and we saw how the format was so successful, we sat down and said to ourselves okay how can we translate that to basketball. and we came up with a format where you only play on Friday night because if you happen to go through the NBA schedule you will see that Friday nights are consistently the night of the week that has the most games. A busy week has 13 games a slow week has eight. So then we create a schedule that shows every team's schedule for every Friday night throughout the season and you draft based off of that. And you end up with a 20-week regular season and a 3 week playoff season. Because there's 23 Friday nights throughout the season every year minus All-Star weekend. So if kemba Walker plays 19 out of the 20 Friday nights during the regular season, it has two out of the three playoff games.... and Trey young only plays 10, it only has one during the playoffs.... Well you adjust accordingly and more than likely you're going to take kemba slightly ahead of Trey young even though Trey young might be the better pick as far as stats go. And then we came up with real world scoring because oddly enough fantasy basketball out there has strange formulas to do their scoring where if you get one three-pointer per night you get a bonus and if you hit a certain percentage of three pointers you get a bonus and that's not real world. Yes efficiency is rewarded in the real world but it's rewarded by you having better numbers and your team doing better as a result. So it still comes down to ultimately what a person's numbers are. Scoring rebounds assists blocks and steals. The big five. So we built in some bonuses for things like triple doubles and high percentage games and double doubles, and you would pick a team defense and it was simple because if you held your opponent under a certain point total and if you held them under certain percentages, you get the idea. the reason I'm bringing all of this up is because as a result of this you can't use traditional fantasy scoring outlets torun your league. You can use Yahoo fantasy for your draft and to manage your roster and to do 90% of your scoring but there's no way to build into your scoring setups, the bonuses that we had for team defenses and for individuals getting triple doubles and things like that. So as a result for 20 years, I did manual scoring in a spreadsheet and had to email it out to everybody the next morning on saturdays. And as a result, myself especially because I did the scoring but alsothe other guys in the league because they were always paying attention to what was happening with their own players as well as their opponents. But as a result we became much more focused on real stats and something that I noticed over the years and I used to complain about constantly to my friends, was this: the thing that you talk about, how people are paying attention to scoring but not rebounding, has always always been the case! ALLLLLWAYS. IT WOULD DRIVE ME NUTS THAT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERED IN YOUR BOX SCORE TI ESPN AND TO YAHOO SPORTS AND PLACES LIKE THAT, WAS YOUR POINT TOTAL! Reggie Miller towards the end of his career still made the box scores every single night and by box scores what I'm talking about is the ticker on ESPN or whatever Sports network, and for example let's use ESPN again. When ESPN would flash scores let's say and not do a full breakdown of a game. Or if they were doing a brief breakdown that was later in sports center let's say and not the leading story that they gave a couple minutes to, they would always show the score up on the screen or to the side while they were showing some highlights let's say and then underneath the score they would have maybe the top player or two from each team. And their little stat line next to them. The newspapers would do the same kind of thing. they might do a little paragraph about a game and then at the bottom they would do the stat lines from the top couple guys in the game. In those circumstances the tickers the little stories in the newspaper whatever, the stat line they focused on the most and the only one they ever cared about! Only only! Was scoring. Reggie Miller at the end of his career was on the ESPN ticker and on the box score little highlight things like that almost every damn night, because he'd get 21 points or 23 points. But if you actually looked at his box score. You would see that he had 21 points one steal what assist no rebounds no blocks and he did nothing but try to get open and shoot the three that was it. He did not do a ton to help his team win other than scoring. And that's great but I'm just trying to point out that there is always been an inordinate amount of focus in scoring in basketball. Maybe it wasn't reflected as much in contracts but I don't believe that to be true either. it seemed to be that because you scored a lot you had a higher profile and the higher your profile the bigger your contracts were. it used to drive me insane as somebody that really paid attention to the actual detailed box scores and everybody's individual stats because I had to use them and know them for my league. You would see Kerry Kittles shown up next to the nets score on ESPN that night having scored 22 points, meanwhile Jason Kidd drove that offense, was not a horrible defender, and had 14 points 12 assists and 10 rebounds to go with two steals. And his 22 points for rebounds and two assists was the guy who got the Love on ESPN and as a result the higher profile which led to bigger contracts in the long run or more marketing money from endorsers. so like I said I was hanging on your every word and I'm not saying I disagree with your premise. I'm on board with everything you said except for that one thing about how scoring is way way more important now that it was back then. Maybe somehow it was rewarded differently, but it certainly was not appreciated any differently. It is always always been the primary focus when it comes to fans and the media. Just look at jordan. The guy was the greatest score of the league and it seemed just about, at least since the '60s, and from 84 until they finally broke through in 91, it was him scoring too much and the focus on his scoring that was holding them back. He needed wingman, he needed a coach to reel him in a little bit, he needed to share the ball and rely on other people to help them win. But the oohs and aahs we're all for Jordan, which translated to marketing dollars. Both for his team and himself.
i seriously think i watch this video once a day. jxmy broke things down so well here. i'm a casual basketball fan and watch hockey a lot more. there's a lot of similarities with how both games are played now and, to me, this just makes more sense. i think you can still have your roles and plans of play of course, but keeping things fluid in my opinion just makes for more fun games both for players and spectators. very interested to see how things progress in the next few years. Jxmy, well done here.
This further proves MJ would shred this league.
@Holden Fegan he wouldnt be taking 3s because he is midrange MONEY
@Daniel Lopez Exactly, he wouldn’t last a second in todays era
If LeBron was getting his ass whooped by the Warriors in the finals, what makes you think Jordan would do so much better? I mean let's be real here MJ never had to play a series against a team that was so annoyingly good that people got bored of watching them utterly destroy their opponents.
@Troll Kenobi LOL, no he wouldn’t cause Curry wouldn’t challenge him. Keep dreaming, MJ won’t even get to score in this era cause of the improved defense and opponent possessions.
@Aden Yuan he would dunk on Curry at least 5 times a game
That's why I think MJ is amazing doing what he did back in the day, and that he wouldn't sink into the normality, but that he would've been a monster.
Jimmy, love your channel. In the last 3 years, scoring in the NBA is at its all time highest in the regular season. Can you say the same about playoffs in the last 3 seasons?
It’s also important to note that the faster paced evolution of today’s nba is PROVEN to cause more injuries among young players that need adjusting to the new system and hurts basketball because it’s better to see your favorite player shine sometimes then not be able to see them at all for the rest of the season because both teams were moving fast a reckless
yes yes yes
Arenas averaged 29 pts 15 years ago, he is definitely averaging 30+ right now.
Gil was a generational scorer he’s averaging 30 no matter the era
He's be James Harden
No hes not, hes old now
@Rock The defense isn't non existent or almost non existent. Just watch the games bruh
Cliff Robinson would have been a destroyer in today's game. RIP from a Detroit fan
Id be interested to see how good these guys would be if they made them play by the rules. I'd also like to see the kind of contact that is called a foul if the defender is out of position called a charge if they are in position....
In soccer, for example, more than 50 years ago, there were teams that played with 5 forwards instead of the 1 or 2 now. It's quite exciting to see sports evolve.
Rama Bell’s point seemed to be more about rules preventing you form playing defense. Not just the skill of players.
@Cold Snap it gave stats of specifc players lmao. Im saying the evidence needs to be true across the league and compared to other eras. They specifically left out certain years. If we are saying its easier to score now more than ever, the fg% and league ppg would show that and its just not true.
@Mark Pagtama "it was full of anecdotes. I was hoping youd give me actual stats." Now I KNOW you didn't read it.
@Cold Snap it was full of anecdotes. I was hoping youd give me actual stats. Stats that was true across the league not just 1 star player or a couple of role players. Old players always does this "my era is harder trope. And people would always be bias, so to conclude if the defense was way harder, we need objectivity. We dont need a subjective anecdotes, we need objective data. And the objective data says that its harder to score in the 2ks than most of the 90s.
@Mark Pagtama "ive read all of it." Liar. You did NOT read that webpage in five minutes. This is talking to a brick wall. I'm out.
@Cold Snap ive read all of it. You basically quoted people. Anecdotal evidence is not "real". The only evidence you gave was the offensive rating. But offensive rating measures fg%*points minus free throws. Which means more 3pointers and fieldgoal makes gives you a higher offensive rating than and ones or drawing fouls and sinking freethrows. Thats why we are seeing an astronomic increase in offensive rating right now because they call less shooting fouls and shoot more 3s
the switch from the past eras to today's modern game was that in the past, the focus of the game were on the factors that contributed to scoring(passing and rebounding), where as today, it is focused on scoring itself, and passing and rebounding are a side effect of it
You still miss the sax
Bro I read that so wrong 😭
Now do this type of video w jordan... lebron fans will then realize that jordan is the goat
I can still hear it 😔
We all do
no defense, obsession with 3's easy explanation
I disagree, go watch the spurs and what they're doing with that roster. They play real defensive.
Man I audibly laughed at that chart of 130+ point games at the end.
In his best season, Peja was an MVP candidate. Arenas in Washington had 2-3 seasons that were not inferior to what Kobe was doing those years - with the only difference that Arenas was actually scoring the game winning 3 every other day. If people do not think that Arenas and Peja would score 30 today, they are the ones that are insane.
In my opinion.... When the "Hand Check" was removed, the game evolved. Loss of physicality removed defensive advantage. The big Guys used to fight for post position while the guards used to look for a lane to the hoop. NOW The majority of big guys are shooting from 3pt land & guards are cutting to the rim all day long. No big man defense down low make cutting guards more efficient. I Guarantee, if you look for it, every play has a uncalled travel and 3 uncalled carries. Also its hard to guard teams that pass 5-8 times on a single possession.
Facts. Kobe and T-Mac were dropping 40 when the final score was 80-90 something. Crazy.
@M J no he wouldn’t
@Duantae They did call Jordan a ball hog before he won his 6 rings
In the isolation, no defense era.
While playing intense defense and while playing against other playing tougher defense before the NBA rule changes. This is why I hate when people just compare stats across eras — it’s almost apples & oranges, you have to have watched both then you can take the stats in their proper context.
@M J If he took 30+ shots a game people would call him a ball hog like they did with James harden
Great content. I’ve followed the NBA since mid 80’s and by this logic MJ would have been even more unstoppable but probably wouldn’t have won as many titles.
Interestingly Jimmy, you place this transition in 2015, one year after the Spurs won the Title. Spurs were always known to be the tacticians of the league, team oriented, fundamental basketball, and that got them 5 rings! But the game has since changed. Interesting!
Keep in mind that the years KD was putting up those numbers, the Thunder were blowing teams out. Not every team but it speaks to the reality of that season or seasons.
I see an argument over jordan averaging more than 40 in the recent NBA era. For the millenials out there, MJ practically averaged 40 in 1987 when he averaged more the 37 points. 2nd, people were saying MJ would average 40 in the 2010s before the recent explosion in scoring. So, in short, MJ would easily score 40 in today's NBA. Finally, MJ selected to work on his midrange fadeaway because it made sense in that era because he had to deal with handchecking and he also would get more free throws from touch fouls. If jordan played in a league where u cant touch a shooter, he would be shooting 40-45% from 3. Let's not hide the sun with our fingertips the man is the greatest team sports athlete of all time.
Players aren’t allowed to play defense, literally everything is a foul.
@That Guy Luis I don't think that's it, that they're more skilled and athletic. I think they're just taught to be good shooters, first, second, and third. It's like money ball from MLB. 99% of the game is about scoring. If 90s players were told 1) the name of the game is scoring. and 2) you can't guard players anymore - it's a foul to guard. You'd see those athletic and skilled players work 100% more on shooting, and especially 3s, than on playing defense or even offense, or playing any other sort of role. There would be no place for Rodman, for example.
This is gonna be long and feel free to never respond lol.... There are legitimate reasons defense is lacking today, but an excessive amount of calls isn’t one. And in fact, statistically, teams are getting way less fouls on average. 2020-21 was the 2nd LOWEST for FTA/gm. 19-20 is 8th, 18-19 is 7th. All top 10 lowest are from the 2010s. To put that in perspective, the lowest FTA average in the 90s is the 22nd lowest year, this means that, on average, there were by far more FTA in the 90s than anywhere near today. Fouls have been downward trending with little deviation for the entire existence of basketball. The only difference is perhaps the types of fouls called, we didn’t see many off ball or loose ball fouls in the past, which is where we get these raw videos of players just getting at it, grinding and gritting to maybe get a loose ball, rebound, or perhaps prevent a cut. But shooting fouls were much more prominent mainly because a hand held rule still existed, it just wasn’t clarified yet. I mean, look at Lebron, just for example. The man takes damn near 70% of his shots at the rim, he’s a big, hulking man who has great quickness and jumping ability, he’s averaged less FTA than even some midrange guards from the 90s who were far better at free throws. By all means teams should be trying to hack at Lebron, and yet he gets calls at the rate of a guys who prioritize jumpers. Basketball reference keeps track of pretty much all league averages if you wanna fact check any of that.
@Dayshon Jennings But flopping happens way more now. However, a few rule changes can fix that.
@Dayshon Jennings They try to play defence, but are handicapped by flopping
@Dayshon Jennings no they dont. youve never seen actual defense apparantely
Great video that articulates why today's NBA is so much less interesting than in years past. No positions, no defense, and everyone jacking up 3s really takes away from the strategy of the game.
This is why Jordan averaging 30s in the 90s was different he would average 40 with ease with this defence.
I wouldn’t say he was a bad three point shooter if he took 2 three pointers a game
@ibrahim Hussain I literally just explained why he wouldn't lol you know next to nothing about how to game of basketball is really played but whatever you say casual MJ would average a 40 point triple double
@Gage Myers Mj was the most durable player ever. He played 82 games a season 8 times. And that was on a shortened schedule. He could easily keep up scoring 40 a game ain't nobody guarding him.
@ibrahim Hussain and he played 40 minutes a game
@Gage Myers Mj wasn't even his prime and he was averaging 37. Imagine 93 Mj in this era that's 40
It’s also more difficult for young stars to show off their talents because they aren’t given as many opportunities as they would’ve in previous eras. So there’s definitely players that could’ve been all stars that just were never seen in that light or just weren’t viewed as having the potential because they weren’t given the opportunity
So what happened with "money ball" happened with the NBA. The stats showed the main game winner was position-less scoring. Basically - get all shooters. But I still think it's just easier to score when it's a foul to guard you. That's a bigger reason why we're seeing so many made shots from all over.
Damn man the way you broke it down after 6:35 ish really makes me miss the old NBA, you nailed what new NBA is seemingly missing. You get it in the playoffs in deep series, but the regular season has become a 3 point contest with stars resting whenever, lame.
As a suns fan I always thought it was a mistake for nash to shoot so little. I remember being confused asking my dad about it back in the day
THIS IS MY REACTION AT 7:26 IN THE VIDEO.It's not just curry fault. I blame 2k. I got out and play basketball all the time. And people really only do the moves they do in to 2k. One time a dude just stopped moving, swore he did a hessie. I just slapped the ball out his hand.
I think there should be four point line added for shots at the logo. I also think that players should be able to goaltend four point shots as long as they are a certain amount of feet away from the basket which we can indicate with a line they got to be outside of the line. Which means only the tallest and whoever can jump the highest has a chance to block it. This would in turn make the four point shooter arc the ball way more to get over the hands of the goal tend. Making these logo shots a lot harder and balancing the game more
This is why it’s getting harder and harder when making all star selections lol
@Sugo 80s defense was the toughest one I've seen. People were punched and shit.
@MAGA Productions THANK YOU!!!! USED TO BE you'd get called out for "beasting on a losing team"; now you're better than FINALS MVP Tony Parker, simply cos "arbitratiy round number"!!!
They need to have 2 all-star games to compensate. lol
They need to start giving defence a bit more wiggle room when it comes to fouling. Im not saying not to call hard fouls and turn it into hocky, but need to let D be a bit more physical.
If you say it, then MJ may get 40ppg every seasons. It's crasy ! But you're right, your point is as always well argumented. Good video
What happened in 2019 causing such a jump? It's painful to see defenders jumping out of a dunkers for fear of finishing on a poster - who has b-ball posters these days anyway Have you looked at the point proportion per player within the tean? As in 5 starting vs. bench over the years? I assume that main players are more greedy than they were
I've gone from being intersted in the NBA regular and postseason, to now only watching the postseason, and even the postseason is starting to feel like every team plays the same, but if your team isn't hitting 3s, they're gonna lose. Live and die by the three is what the NBA has become.
Makes it even more crazy that mj was averaging 30ppg in the 90s......🐐
@where u wanna be No team shoot threes at the rate every team is doing now, so no you're wrong. The only fast-paced teams were Don Nelson's Run TMC Warriors and Paul Westhead's failed experiment in Denver
@Friddy S what 5 positions is he guarding when there are no more positions lmao dudes all look and play the same now. No way he could have banged with Shaq. 5 positions 😅🤣🙄
@MAGA Productions the overall league pace was faster because you had teams like Showtime Lakers and Denver Nuggets who would run and gun. The Bulls were more slow paced as was alot of the Eastern Conference teams.
@DJ Sai fair point
@Tbag Specialist that's what I'm saying, he only had been guarded by two memorable names. Sidney is 3 inches shorter and 20 lbs lighter than MJ, also Dumars is 3 inches shorter and 10 lbs lighter than MJ. Name other players that are an elite on defensive not named Sidney and Dumars in the 80's. Delusional fans keeps saying that MJ will average 40ppg in this era is laughable. He only manage to average 37 in an era where his physical tools were unmatched and the rest of the league lacks of talents.
Jimmy butler I would say is a prime example he use to average only 2.7 points per game but now it’s 21.8 points per game
I appreciate the way you bring in interviews and clips to stress your point. Awesome video!
4:50 This is 100% truth. Defenses in any sport are ALWAYS reactionary and ALWAYS bound by physics. The offense knows where it's going. The defense is stuck guessing.
The game was played so fast when Wilt was averaging 50 points and 25 rebounds. It slowed down from the 70s-until 2016. Another factor is softer rims making it easier for the ball to go through the hoop
@Fries The last 5 years
When did the rims get softer?
Guys like Steve Nash, Mark Price and Bird would have been the players who benefited the most from today's game. Especially BIRD
@James Hayse you have never watched a larry bird game have you lol
yeah bird would EAT in today's game. i agree price and nash would too, but bird would probably have a lot more goat talk nowadays.
Reggie Miller as well
@James Hayse said every player right before Bird destroyed them.
@James Hayse whys that always the reason people put down Bird, so is Luka Doncic and hes averaging a triple double pretty much every other game and in my opinion Bird's just a better version of him.
great job on this man I can tell you put a lot of time and research into this!
MJ's 30+ PPG average is much more impressive while watching this video! If anyone says he can't be effective in this era is just mentally challenged! God Bless them 😂
@kenneth1win yeah very true even with what i said there are still some players like cp and kawhi who live at the midrange. Seems like in every era there are great teams or players who stick to them and defy the conventional wisdom. Im a believer that there can be nuances like I said but every great player would adjust to every era and thrive at the end of the day like you said.
@pj wright you have to also think that his game would adjust today as well. I think he would be similar to KD or cp3 where they have an elite midrange game but still shoot the 3 ball well
@pj wright It is reasonable to think that if Bron is crying in the current era, he would be crying even more often in an era with more physicality.
It depends though right? I mean there are teams now who’s coaches literally yell at players for taking some mid range shots that he take. Obviously he has the best mid range game ever but if he shoots two fade always and the other team comes down and hits two threes then they are in the negative on those four possessions. It also depends on his team- you put him on the hawks it is statistically not good for him to shoot it every time and every guy on the floor can shoot and get a bucket. Similar to many other teams like this video is saying. His bulls teams were designed for him to get buckets over and over. People say he would learn to shoot threes, but those are the same people that say lebron would cry every night in the 90s so they might be 12 idk. He def could break records on ft attempts.
@Dichang Feng so basic curry lol they'd be averaging what curry averages
Steph Curry is really ahead of his time when you think about it, without him in the NBA, it would have taken the league at least 15 years to play the way they're playing now, it was already on that path, he just expedited the process.
Curry is great at what he does
Back in the day, even good players like AI were extremely inefficient and could not shoot the 3 very well. There is something more to this story.
Imagine what a young Deron williams would do in todays game, he was already putting up around 20 and 10 on near 50% from the field and 40% from 3.
@I got Next Prime D-Will was in talks for best PG In the league, he never played the 2
He's in the 2008 redeem team (arguably the best counterpart of the Dream team of this era) for a reason and young people didn't know it.
@Gowi Machine Starbury was Kyrie before Kyrie. Steve Francis was Westbrook like and would be a lot more efficient in today’s NBA
@I got Next Marbury would be like an efficient Westbrook
@Casdom Domcas he was in his mid 30s in 2017 bozo, a young Utah jazz Dareon Williams would be better then half the shooting guards in the nba today . Iverson would cook trae young , even Stephon maubury would do well in today’s nba
I think there is another thing going on that’s not mentioned here. Back in the early 2000s the starting line up would have its stars and it would have mostly defensive specialists. Shooters would be on the bench. Now the rolls have reversed. Shooters start on the floor and the defensive guys are on the bench to start the game. If you can’t shoot, you just don’t have as much of a roll on a team, even if you’re pretty good on defence.
“Getting a bucket has never been easier” it’s called defense try it. And don’t give me any BS responses be honest with yourselves. The game has gotten soft and players along with it. You get farted on and draw a foul. Free throws upon free throws
Hypothetically if a player plays 25 minutes in a game and scores 5 points in each quarter (which is a very low mark), you can see how easy that is. Add the subpar defense and the increased pace and you can see why these guys are averaging 30 plus points easily.
Is it possible they are simply shooting more (as well as more 3s)? If that’s the case, then it’s not about players being better scorers/shooters, they are simply just getting more shot attempts.
I remember being in elementary school, and I was made the Center because of how tall I was. In our first team practice, and shot a jumper and it rattled in and out. Coach then chewed me out because I was shooting jumpers in practice when I’m playing Center. Lol. Pretty much sums up how times have changed 🤷♂️
@Jonny Arnett go play for the lakers dude! We need you rn
@GameChanger I’m 6, 3. My growth spurt was at a pretty young age.
Wait how tall are you Johnny?
@Jonny Arnett Damn I was a wing back then and my job was to do basically everything and then i put up 12, 8 and 5 😂
The main reason the scoring took such a huge leap in the past few seasons is because of the shot clock rule change that resets the shot clock to 14 rather than 24 after an offensive rebound.
This might be a hot take, but I don't think defence in the NBA has gotten worse, it's just that offence has become exponentially better and will always be one step ahead of defence so defence can never keep up. They adapt to one thing and the next game that player has another move that they have to adapt too
That’s a valid take
and now Giannis’s jumper is looking more solid than ever before
2004 when they stop letting a Defense play. Stop letting Defense putting hands on the offensive player. The 1995- 2003 That was the NBA at its best.
That extra step also helps. Players may have been doing it since the 80’s but now it’s completely legal and players are practicing with that extra step.
This a large part of the reason why I find it difficult to enjoy today’s NBA. My team growing up was the going to work era pistons, and I loved the way they played. Everyone had a role and executed it to perfection. They rarely if ever let someone even top 100 against them. And they were so much fun to watch. I miss that style of ball. I get the appeal of the modern game, hell my college team is Michigan, I’ve watched and enjoyed plenty of 3 point bombing over the years, but I do think it would be nice to have at least some degree of stylistic contrast in the game today
So in other words there’s not really a team like that now?
The 130+ games increase a lot after 2016. Curry changed basketball 😭🏀🔥🔥🔥
I don’t buy that defence hasn’t been nerfed. If handchecking was still a thing and there was more leeway for defenders then defence would be a pivotal part and that kd example might not have been the case
This video just proves how dominant MJ was in his time
@Waffle Spice drives it super hard and has extremely soft touch that's we he so goated at it
@Jason King Pfft
@Aden Yuan Keep on floppin kid.
@Jason King Bruh LMAO!!!!
@Aden Yuan lmao X 1BILLION. Floppy.
Also the NBA went to a new rim manufacturer and the season immediately after the switch field goal percentages jumped over 3 percent across the board. The new rim is thought to be more shooter friendly.
Allow hand checking and a more physical defence, and watch scores plummet. Hand checking etc. allows you to directly control another players movement, meaning it is not reactive to offense. A bit more like wrestling, and indeed chess, one move sets up another. Without it, offensive players have more room to work with, and to beat a player you only need to be faster than him. Given that certain movements that allow for greater momentum, are easier with the ball or when moving towards it, more space allows for greater momentum. Meaning not only do offensive players have more room to be creative with, they can have more momentum when using that extra space, making them harder to guard, and due to increased range of motion, it also easier to score. No trickery needed, a smooth jumpshot in this scenario is a right, not earned. Add over-sensitive referees who fall for flops and crybaby tactics, with extremely precise analytical equipment (re-play and re-view), and players are simply unwilling and/or unable to get up close and personal, without excessive foul calls.
Imagine Lebron being a top 10 player from beginning to now despite all the changes in the NBA.
steph sparked more 3s but teams have been going for interchangable positionless players since the bulls 2nd 3 peat. thats what made the bulls successful.
Defenses never catch up with ofenses because whenever they do, the NBA nerf it by changing the rules. See changes made right after Pistons championships in 90 and 04.
@Eduardo Gonzalez It was an amazing time to be in the city man. I was salty about the rule changes the following yeah because I immediately thought wow. These seems oddly specific.
@JayFizz if you want more physical play at the 3pt line you would end up with more kobe/jalen rose or kawhi/zaza incidents. I’m sure it would be fun seeing guards and wings get injured every game lol.
@Writeous0ne which is why teams prioritize those shots. The midrange has been pretty much cut out because its a pretty inefficient way to score.
@ABC XYZ but lay ups and dunks etc are way higher than 50%, so are free throws
You should do this exact same video but with focusing more on the theory ! Use shawn kemp , penny , ai , steve francis etc as examples.. that would be a damn good video ! I think shawn kemp ( sonics ) would have had an AMAZING career in todays nba. Sh!t , even muggsy bogues would have had a damn good career !
It's always interesting to see these videos that claim defense is "softer" or "less effort" in nowadays' NBA, even though none of the advanced metrics point in that direction, and in fact, a combined look at positioning and defense shows players are a lot more active and alert at ball handling, have less turnovers, pass better and cover screens better than they did in the 90s and 00s. No, the only real difference in the modern NBA is two things: One, teams learned the three point line isn't as scary as it seems, and also learned to play positionless basketball, which is, generally a much more efficient way of playing basket, and allows a lot more roster flexibility. Nash is correct that his Suns should've let him shot a lot more, and found him a companion. D'Antoni was on the verge of delivering the fastball that the modern NBA thrives on, but stopped short of it because the Suns never got the third player to compliment Nash/Stoudamire. The Warriors are a result of Kerr noticing that, short of Popovich's near immaculate coaching of talent, nobody really could put a breaker on them, and iterating on it when a generational talent like Curry fell into his lap. This revolution was a decade in the making, Steph just forced the league to admit it was broken. In essence, people had to learn to shoot the rock again, like it was in the 80s, and play to speed rather than slow the game to a crawl. Basketball teams have large benches for a reason, so rotations can be made. There shouldn't be a call to slow down games, just so the best player gets to sit on the ball for seven or eight seconds to run a set play. That's called quarterbacking and it makes the game DULL to play (and not so fun to watch) Two, the rules of the game are actually enforced. It's painful to see "big-man" era basketball, where many so-called rim dominators would "control" the paint just on the virtue of being able to harass people out of defensive matchups, by essentially forcing their way to the rim, being the biggest frame and shoving and bullying inside, and people regarded this as an expression of the game, and "playmaking ability", or "effort". People seem to forget that basketball, by design, ISN'T a contact sport. We don't encourage kids to tackle other kids off the ball for a reason. You wanna do that, you go to the NFL, or rugby. You can definitely be a big-man and master the post and be a superstar, but you shouldn't be one automatically because of just being a one-dimensional back to the post player. (something people erroneously accuse Shaq of being, even though Shaq has always had a good inside shot and agility in the paint) Handchecking was an incredibly dumb thing that led to a lot of injuries for players in stupid moments, and allowed bigger players to essentially bully talented shooters off the ball by leveraging their frame in coverage. The league was extremely lenient with it, and if it had been called to the rulebook as it should have, the number of free throws in the 00s would have made the NBA a mickey-mouse league. The general change in rules was welcome and approximated the NBA game to the actual point of the game, and to be honest, it's frankly insulting to suggest that dedicated one-role-pony players in the 90s somehow had more basketball IQ than the modern era players, who are required to guard anyone, despite size matchup, despite position, despite scheme of offense, despite pace of play. The glacial tall turrets of the 90s would be absolutely useless in the modern era. Great bigs like Hakeem, Alonzo, Shaq would stll dominate because they're all-around complete packages, but it's an absurd notion to suggest that better defense and better basketball IQ was played in the earlier eras. The stats simply show otherwise. It's just that the NBA actually moved on and stopped trying to be a poor-man's version of the NFL, and all of a sudden, the standard of play across all positions forces players to be much more versatile, and actually engage their brains while playing basketball, rather than be allowed to coast on running the coach's set-plays to perfections to eek out a performance. Stop trying to make the league go back to that era. It wasn't good basketball. Also, defending threes isn't impossible, despite what people think.
Coaches don’t limit their players based on their position, it’s based on their skill set and what they think the team needs.
You have to learn to crawl before you can walk, we didnt know the players could do this without learning from the guys before them... the game teaches us this year after year!
If steve nash ran todays offense with this crazy pace, he'd be averaging something like 25ppg and 15apg while shooting 50/40/90
Yes I mean look at Tj mocnell
@The Fab 007 He averaged 11.8 apg during one of the slowest paced periods in nba history. He would easily average around 14 15 apg nowadays with this insane pace and players shooting million threes each game
Naah more like 23 12
@kh nah he’s right... Steve Nash is better than John Stockton... especially when considering the pace in the 80’s compared to the 00’s... which Nash played his entire career in a slower paced era (although he did play with a fast Suns team, that only means you can imagine the pace the Suns would be in the 2010’s or 80’s which would influence Nash’s numbers more)!!! while Stockton benefited the pace from the 80’s only to then know how it felt like being a 00’s player in the mid 90’s to retirement... Nash is offensively better than Stockton but Stockton has the edge in defense over Nash... there’s a reason why Nash is a 2x MVP knowing he can lead a team even w/o Amare & Joe Johnson... 🏀 whereas Stockton had Malone for his entire career.
@kh I'm saying if they played today Nash would be better
I would like to see...no I would LOVE to see Pistol Pete Maravich play under these modern parameters. The guy was killing it - Huge numbers from all over the Court WITH NO THREE POINT LINE. In today's game he would scoring an average of 40+ per game, MINIMUM. I love watching Steph and Klay play but I think Pistol Pete would leave them in his Dust.
_In basic terms, there are more options to score on offense than it is to stop a play on defense, and offense is simply more capable of progressively improving._
Nice videos and explanations but i can't watch someone who says the nba strategy changed because Curry started shooting threes from anywhere. Where are the Warriors in the last 2-3 years? He is still a sharp shooter but where are they?
I don’t think people are more skilled, I think they are just practicing towards a different skill set. They are catering their game to specific skill sets and completely ignoring others.
More possessions per game...saved you the time. Harden has double percentage of total points from FT's than jordan and kobe
I always wondered what MJ would have been able to do in this league in his prime years. He would have been properly scary indeed. I think you hit the nail on the head though. Offensive tools keep getting better but defensive tools seem to get smaller. Defense is all about disrupting offensive rhythm so when you don't have the tools to do that of course you're not going to be as capable of stopping scorers.
@King Darkonda those 5 points per game make a huge difference
Great vid, makes you really think about how great guys like Jordan were
I don’t really keep up with basketball anymore but watching your videos make me feel I should change that. I’m 39 so I guess I’d be an old-head and I wonder if I would enjoy this high scoring nba. I remember watching the knicks and heat grind out 70 & 80 point games when LJ could barely jump and van gundy getting dragged around like a 2 year old on Mourning’s ankle. But I guess everyone thinks their era was the best and objectivity gets thrown out the window. Thanks for vids, keep it up.
This is why u can’t compare players from different eras
@ESM yea ik everyone has bad games but these Bronsexuals be calling other players trash when they do but when lebron has one they're quiet and calls him the goat and king when he scores 30
@dadillonful Plumbers? Like these Twitch streamers and TikTokers are any different
Try baseball. Deeper analytics.
@SmittyDub yes he did handchecking was still a thing when he played in 2003-2004 handchecking was removed in 2004
@SmittyDub I'm no lebron fan boy, but you're just nitpicking his bad games lmao. You can pick any player and choose a bunch of bad games they've had.
Awesome video my guy. You really get in depth w/ everything! Respect ✊🏻🤙🏻
I think today's game doesn't need a Defensive Player of the Year. It needs is an Offensive Player of the Year. No more defense because of easy fouls.
The 3-point line killed the game - Greg Popovich
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