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It makes you appreciate guys like Larry Bird and Allen Iverson who are the rightly considered legends and all-time greats but also have no problems giving today’s players the respect they deserve
i see ai outside of the top 20 on a lot of ppls lists for some reason
@Sarge where did you get that bs story about Larry? Were you even alive then? That's not even close to the truth. If you're thinking it was Larry. Where did he say it? In the docs/books, Letterman? Then you must not get Larry's humor.
@Justin 😆😆😆you're mean! 😆😆You know they forgot the "?"😆😆
yea, Karl Malone is literally in love with LeBron James. Or "Man Crush" as he calls it lol.
I love that Rasheed and Rodman claimed they would dominate KD, but Kobe said he couldn’t ever figure out how to stop KD.
@Brandon Perez if you ask KOBE who could beat him he will just laugh at you so learn what his real words means before act like a PRO.
@Brandon Perez dont be dumb kobe comment was just gesture of respect
@John Griller i suggest you watch thinking basketball’s video on lebron’s case for greatest peaks. he matches mj’s scoring numbers with wade off the court (even after adjusting for quality of defense). no one in history is capable of stopping bron since 2012 imo
@mjpink23 Kobe was selected to an all-defensive team 12 times. Please go learn about basketball before you make comments.
those 2 are defender player kobe is a assassin meant to score
I agree with everything here but I want to emphasize that it is also incorrect for people today who grossly underestimate players from the 80’s or 90’s. Good players will adapt and that works BOTH ways. I see just as many young people underestimate old players as there are older people underestimating modern players.
Exactly…I would have never been able to dunk if I wasnt playing with people who could throw down. Granted I only did it twice but the point stands!
@AceStormtrooper Sure, it is purely anecdotal and logical. We do know the inner cities in 80s and 90s were very violent and in a state of decay and for much of that time players were forced to go to college...sometimes for multiple years. Violence dropped precipitously in the late 90s to about 2014...a 15 year period where investment in these regions led more opportunities, along with the fact players could jump straight from HS or go to school for a semester. I bring up the violence because regions with high gang activity have poor school attendance and achievement, which makes it very difficult for kids to have a chance at going to college. I do think the same phenomena is returning as most of the best young players come from VERY established families and find themselves being accepted to very credible universities.
@Orc Lover Interesting point. That hypothesis should be further researched and backed up with real numbers. But something to ponder on for sure.
@Idiots Abroad Give me some kids from rough backgrounds who were superstars. And Drazen and Toni were not superstars and they were only two decent players. It is ignorant to ignore the fact that the NBA has expanded its talent pool dramatically. Sure, fewer white american kids play but they made up a very small portion of superstars in 80s and 90s anyway despite being the main demographic who played in high school.
@Orc Lover So inner city kids were banned from playing? Drazen Petrovic was American? Toni Kukoc was American? SMH.
The point about great players adapting, lebron came into the league with the three pointer being his main weakness but he's been in the league so long that the three became essential and he developed his game and expanded his range to the half court line. Perfect example of great players being great in any era.
Time takes care of things like this. I still remember reading about my Bulls in an article about their 72-10 season in 1997 and the article had them 5th all time, losing to the Bob Cousey led Celtics in a hypothetical tournament.
@Vanguardas Wilt wouldn’t be a role player. He would still be a star like he was back in the 60s, he dominated because nobody could stop him, he scored over 50 a game because it worked. He’s one of the greatest scorers of all time and still would be today. He’d also be an nba all defensive player too, even though rebounds and blocks weren’t tracked back then, people went back and figured that Wilt averaged over 8 blocks a game, making it a no brainer to put him all defensive team. He’s one of the all time greats and you can’t deny it.
And I still had MY phoenix Suns. My walls were phoenix orange, trim phoenix purple. I hate you still. FYI I'm an Aussie
@Vanguardas yup players are significantly better today than decades ago
@josh whitley You know that the 80s and 90s were different from the 50s and 60s right? A little thing called the NBA-ABA merger happened in case you live under a rock. Most of the all time greats from that era excluding a few anomalies like Wilt and maybe Bill would be role players at best. If you've actually watched clips from that era, most of their "legends" were on the level of role players in today's era AT BEST and Bob Cousy wouldn't even get a divisino1 scholarship let alone get drafted. Jerry West would be a bench warmer too, if can even get drafted. Role players like Vinnie Johnson or Lou Williams would destroy all of them.
Yeah Bob Cousy’s one hand dribbling is gonna break Pippen, Jordan and Rodman’s ankles.
I don't care what Era we talking about Curry is still getting his points.
He getting his Points and his assist but damn well not all his rebound
Curry would be like mark price or andul Rauf...both fantastic players in theirvown right
Best 3 point shooter ever
We love the old heads, but it's always great to see someone taking the time to bring their mythical status back down to Earth.
Personally my favourite era will always be from 90s to the early 2000s. I think why the game has turned 'soft' is due to a few reasons; 1. Players are guaranteed their contracted money for a season, despite their performance (often a max contract offer). 2. With so many players transferring to teams each season, its becoming impossible for fans to support a team anymore, instead opting to support individual players, which in turn destroys the rivalry between teams and any chance of formations of 'dynasty' like duos or trios. 3. The league becoming so 'foul-focused' to generate more points sounds fantastic on paper, but it hardly makes for interesting viewing as a fan. Nobody wants an injury, but equally 2020-21 season saw more injuries in the league since 2009. Playing with less foul calls doesn't lead to more injuries, it leads to more competitive natures coming out in players. 4. Players are given the rights to 'load management' which means they can opt to not play during pre-playoff games, this makes sense, but equally I think its largely abused and should have some form of limits set by the association. The players of today are incredibly skilled and I have no doubt in my mind that they would all hold their own in the past eras. The only difference, as mentioned in this video, is that the rules and culture around the sport have changed a lot. THESE are the things that need to change - not the players.
@wiggle wiggle the bulls were undoubtedly the best team throughout the 90s and literally had no one that could contend with them. Literally championships come from stacked teams. You cant ignore that.
@wiggle wiggle ok in the 90s you had, the bulls, the lakers, the pistons, the rockets, and the spurs
I wholeheartedly agree to your statement.
@wiggle wiggle calling LeBrons cavs stacked is a bit much.
@Orc Lover holy shit you get joy out of making small things way more dramatic then they really are to try & emphasize a point. The rockets a super team? How about the warriors, nets, heat, lebrons cavs? Literally the most stacked teams in the history of the game
The most insightful video I’ve seen a long time. Players are largely defined/molded by what’s effective in their specific era. Love it 👏🏽
impossible matchups I would love to see: 1970 Chamberlain v. 2000 Shaq 1998 Karl Malone v. 2012 Lebron 1995 DRob v. 2010 DHoward Prime Nate Archibald v. 2015 Steph Curry 2017 Kawhi v. Jordan (any year) Pete Maravich v. Steve Nash (it would be like a video game) Ben Wallace v. Wes Unseld
This is the most aids reply chain I’ve ever seen, everyone included
@Mira Radivojevic stronger, faster, more stamina, more solid build, better durability. that's a pretty long list. poor Jorbald, can't keep up
Any year Jordan vs kawhi
@Just do the thing how tf is lebron more atlhetic than mj. The goat would have swept leflop james
@Russel Llabores lmao lebum dominated Kobe never
“Great players will excel in any era” best quote of 2021 in terms of basketball
That’s so f***in stupid. Someone or something is great because of the circumstances.
@chris brown lebron flops a lot for a reason. He doesnt like contact thats why at 6'8" 260lbs, he averaged more 3 point attempts than Kobe. Lebron would most definitely tear his crotch early if he played in a more physical era.
@Bob Yost no it would not have because they would have grown up doing it and it would have been normal
8:54 i have so much respect for him after that comment! It's really about adapting to the era and the way they play/ed . You can't say "ah this guy couldn't shoot three's so he wouldn't do that well today" or the other way around. If someone from back then practiced shooting three's it would be a completely different story. Same way players today could adapt to the 90's playstyle . Some more, some less
Great analysis! Very concise, entertaining and insightful. You tube needs more content like this.
Exactly--love him or hate him, LeBron was amazing. He's been amazing his whole career, even when he was still getting better all the time, and that's what the best do: adapt and keep getting better. Not only that, what these discussions never recognize is the nature/nurture question. I don't think it's fair to say this or that player 'would be soft', if he played in the past. Even thought it's definitely true that some would be soft, we can't really know which ones, because the way the game was played during each era shaped those players. They have developed and adapted their games to the era in which they played/are playing. A lot of the players they call soft today have really just adapted to and developed in the current league and its rules. If they had to learn and play the older ways, they would have. By definition that is what the best always do, and most of the best today, would have been able to play with the best back in the day, and vice versa.
I'm curious to hear more about that flopping/fouling technique in today's game. It sure makes it LOOK weak - but why are players doing it? Is it actually beneficial to complain and flop so much? Is it working or making players look stupid? i'd love to hear the Jxmy perspective on this.
Gilbert continues to be one of the most respectful and level headed former basketball players I’ve seen, doesn’t really take sides or claim the era he played in was best
Yeah, simply off of this video alone, he seems like a phenomenal dude. I’d love to see more
Nah... Agent 0 just salty because he didn't accomplish jack. He was one of the dudes who lost to LeBron. Can't beat him, join him. And this era is marshmallow soft. Defense in the 80's/90's was more than just bully ball. It was sacrificing yourself to take a charge. Learning how to pressure the ball without fouling. Can't breath on a guy now without calling a foul. I believe in evolution. Some guys would be able to play in any era. LeBron/KD/Steph would definitely be good. How good would the teams they would play on be? Bernard King was good, his teams not so much. Early MJ was great, his teams not so much.
Didn’t mean he’s correct tho
Hopefully his black daughters still love him when they grow up.
i saw Stephen Jackson on a show once saying Lebron wouldnt last in his era. Stephen Jackson was drafted like 5-6 years before Lebron and they were in the league for 11 years together. Anyone who thinks todays players are soft because of the way they exaggerate fouls must be slow. When you see someone bump Lebrons forearm and he goes flying just think about this: do you really REALLY think a slap on the arm would effect Lebron like that? You think it causes him so much agony that he cant go on? Of course not. They do it because they know more times than not they'll get a foul call because thats how the nba is officiated now. More foul calls = more free throws = more points = more wins = bigger contracts etc. If you took any "tough guy" from the 80's and told them they could go from scoring 17 points per game to 25+ by just exaggerating any contact they receive i guarantee they'd do it. 17 ppg guys make 25 mil a year. 25+ ppg guys make 40 mil and get shoe deals.
@Messiah Black . So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers? Players are improving. Period. Anything that humans continue to do over a long period of time they will improve at. Rewarding flopping is a rules issue, not a soft player issue. If the refs rewarded flopping in any other era theyd flop too. Do you think players would still flop even if they had never been rewarded for it? Just laying on the court for absolutely no reason? of course not.
@Derek I don’t know if it’s that so much, as it is the NBA relies heavily on marketing it’s best individual players more than any other team sport. The NFL doesn’t need Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen to be better than Tom Brady to sell tickets, in the same way the NBA needed LeBron & Kobe to be the “next” MJ to boost ratings. People who weren’t even a fan of basketball would come to see Jordan drop 50 pts, or watch Kobe win his 3rd Championship. A list celebs sitting court side at games made Basketball the place to be “seen” in the sports world. And because of this, there is more of a “prima donna” attitude now with basketball players more than any other athlete. You see all these big name players, constantly whining & switching teams, demanding high salaries then not honoring their contracts, joining up together on a handful of good teams just to chase championships... Wasn’t like that back in the day, and it’s stuff like this that takes the competitiveness, mystique & sportsmanship out of the game. You said it yourself: they flop to get more points & bigger contracts. So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers🤔? You didn’t have that type of mentality during previous eras, so naturally people are gonna be more reminiscent of the “good ol days” when it seemed like there was less drama & more work ethic.
@Messiah Black nba is the only major sports entity where such a large portion of fans are unwilling to acknowledge the fact that players are constantly improving.
so the misconception in what you're stating is 5-6 years made a difference in the league. Early 2000s till mid 2000s were the last stages of a more physical era and it started changing the other way towards a softer era very quick so it kind of makes sense for stephen jackson to mention that.
Your talking about today’s players who flop for fouls, but think they could handle the “Jordan Rules” era of Basketball? Players like Laimbeer, Rodman, Barkley & Shaq, who were known to be physical & flagrant!?! Not only did you have to be physically tough, but mentally as well. Jimmy said it his own self: LeBron would’ve been Karl Malone in that era. And how many championships did he win?
Rodman’s “make basketball tough again” hat had me laughing 😂
Man Rasheed Wallace was 30yrs old when he was playing LeBron, and all the others were older as well. He was referring to 95 when he first came in and not getting that much play time. Now he said LB could hold his own only because of the stature however he wouldn't have been no beast like most think he is today.
Ive always thought alot about the "softness" thing, and people complaining about flopping both in basketball and football. As much as I hate it too, part of me does realise that its the players trying to abuse every single millimeter of the ruleset to get ahead of their opponents. You know, winning. If you find more tools to get more points why not abuse it, its just become part of the IQ skillset of the sport
It's so funny when 90s-00s old heads say "Lebron couldn't play in my era." My brother in Christ, Lebron is a middle aged man who began playing in 2003. He literally played in your era.
Greatness is defined by a player's ability to adapt to new changes in the game, that's why players like Steph and KD would also prosper in the 90s.
@josh whitley what are u talking about
Greatness is defined by how we feel about an athlete. Nothing else matters. If the fans decide their greatness exist. That's that. Nothing about ability to blahs blahs blah.
Yeh kd was floundering like a fish out of water im the olympics diiickkheaaad..you know where they actually play physical and have defense
The only discussion I like to have about eras is just which one was more fun to watch. Today's era has nothing on the 90's and early 2000's. Technical fouls and referees that are instructed to hand out techs just for a player showing emotion ruins the game for me. I enjoy watching these youtube videos significantly more than I enjoy watching today's NBA, thanks Jimmy.
In the 2000's the teams were averaging 95 points a game while today's teams were averaging 100-130 points a game. And players are averaging 29 (some players then averaged those points then but not all of the stars were)
There is also far less actual fouling and a whole lot more fake ass fouls and technicalities. LeBron barely gets bumped and he flings himself to the ground. I think that's what the older players are referring to.
It’s a good day when jimmy uploads
@Proxima B Because its a good day when jimmy uploads
Són true men
He's the king and will always be, no exceptions. If you just count rings that's not necessarily a measure of a player but rather a team. He's one of the greatest regardless of time. Would Kareem be as good in today's game? We will never know, and that's okay.
The league started changing rules to slow down players like Shaq , way before LeBron came into the league
The game was designed to be played different in different eras, so it's very hard to compare any era. Because there was some really great athletes in all era's. But to be fair in those Times Who knows if curry would have gotten the opportunity to shoot the ball as many times as he does In today's era. He probably would have ended up like a Ray Allen🤔 So yes different era different times tough to call. Larry Johnson was a beast but didn't have a long career and successful career as lebron but Magic played with HIV So you didn't really get to see magic play at his best towards the end of his career neither. When you have that virus you can't play at your best, he would be tired more often then the norm and doublethepressureof stress. So there was a time when Magic had to play center and point guard in a couple of games because the Captain was hurt, so does that make Magic the best all around player if all time?🤔 So I guess we would have to say who would win on a 1 on 1 match up then right?🤔 Let's see you do a video on that topic son👍🏼... Would Shaquille O'Neal back Jordan down to the rim and 21 skunk him, Now that's what you truly need to think about! Because maybe what we are really saying is that this is the best player in that era in that system and rules and refs Of that time Duhhh lol💯🏀🙏🏼👊🏼🕶👍🏼 But most eighties players and seventies players would have got sent to the locker room💪🏼 lol, the bad boys the eighties were no joke, That's why you didn't see Jordan win a championship until 1991 Against a hurt lakers team, Can you please mention that in your video next time🤷🏻♂️🤜🏼🤛🏼 I have to drop the mic I'm out🛸🚀🤣👍🏼🏀Balla life braa🐐 And to be completely honest, Kobe Bryant called everybody soft in this era, and made mostly everyone that he played against look soft like "Charmen Toilet Paper" 🧻 🚽🗑he said 🤣lol RIP Mamba, I hope this made you laugh Kobe🏀🙌🏼 😇
So from the little bit that we have gathered from my perspective at least when we were saying will players today hang with players in Rashad and Dennis's and Scotty error it has to be an overwhelming yes 100% I'm not saying this for everyone but I do feel like there are certain players today that would have dominated even more than than they do now
Put kd in any era ever he’s getting arrested for witchcraft and is averaging 30 minimum
I'm a LeBron fan boy, and this statement is 100% correct....actually, 35
@Shyii you don’t understand sarcasm do you?
@Olvin G they wasn't plumbers tho?
@thelegendsqb1 your dragging it Alex would still be mid actually below mid he wouldn't get any better and most players could guard him
Not only did this video make me love lebron more. It made me love Gilbert arenas more 😭
Quote. After the , the hand-check rule changed the game officially. At this time, the old strikers also gradually retired. The new generation of players that will take over the competition is potential perimeter ball handlers.
Love your work mate! You should be in Inside the NBA!
Like sheed said, Bron would have held his own. With similar numbers, Wallace was a beast. Thus, Bron would also have been a beast.☺️
The KD thing is totally true, we've never seen a player like KD literally ever. There's been people who had similarities to superstars, few people who even literally model their game after their idol etc But we've never seen a 7ft scorer who literally has every move in his bag... Ever. When all is said and done KD will be looked back on as a top 10 of all time.
@Jake Mojica With more athleticism yes You got better than kd but larry is already greater than kd so yeah
Celtics stopped KD
this didn't age well at all.
KD will never be a top 10 player
@Alberto Esquilin "my guy Michael and lebron cancel each other out" You got it ass backwards. Scottie, the greatest defensive SF of all-time would cancel out KD's offense, or at the very least neutralize it. Then you got LeBron "6 Time Finals Loser" James going against Michael "6 Time Finals WINNER" Jordan and we all know ain't _nobody_ cancelling out The GOAT.
I feel like dennis and scottie could most definetly hold lebron from getting to over 20 points IF they played in the 90s how lebron plays right now (because his prime is damn near infinite) the year really can change this argument because if dennis played lebron right now (in dennis prime) he would likely foul out or get lost with all the different rule changes, 3s and most notably the hand check. It all comes down to the year
@11:15 :) I love KD, NBA has never seen anything like him, Top 15 all time for sure but I lost it laughing at "POKE HIS EYE OUT" and he's still scoring ...
Lots of great points made in this video. Not afraid to admit that I changed my mind about a few things after watching
If they were in that era then they’d have to take it up a notch with their physical capabilities. You train for your era plain and simple, Jordan wouldn’t have to be as physically tough in todays game like he had to back in the day.
Bro Rasheed actually talking about a guy who smacked him in the playoffs
And? Rasheed's Pistons smacked Lebron's Cavs out of the playoffs the year prior when the Cavs were winning 3-2.
Tbh, they picked the wrong Wallace to talked to...
@MARQ101HVC Even before 2012, he still sonning the Celtics and took it to 7 games with that Cleveland team. Bro, this guy is crazy, Pierce ain’t doin that shit, him dropping 41 is all he got. There’s multiple 5 minute+ reels of Bron owning Pierce AND *KG * for their entire career😂
@Chikush Odiz That’s true, I just wish others could say this about LeBron when he dominated instead of saying he got “owned” by a superteam while sonning the entire other team single-handly.
Best video to date. So well produced and researched.
All the old players from back then were already passed there prime so yes Lebron could score against them but if they were in there prime Lebron didn’t have a chance
When you have so much success... You have to face of lot of critics. The thing is they really made it for him... They made him greater than he really are. I enjoyed Seen him play in his rookie years and a few less After...
That was dope. Well said. Hopefully both eras could STFU and respect the accomplishments
if they couldn’t stop larry bird they ain’t stopping KD
@Joseph Lopez Trashtalk doesn't make a player better do what said makes no sense at all.
@Ron M he averages over 19ppg in his olympic career??? Thats MORE than good in a team full of stars.
@NAME kd could barely handle the fiba rules in the Olympics with a team of usa all stars diickhheaad..you know real rules with defense and physicality..not this lame micky mouse modern nba..lmao
Thats easy to show..look how these nba guys did in the olympics with real defence and real rules..they lost a few games too...their talent won out in the end but not by much. Now insert them in physical 90s..which was even tougher then fiba..and had even greater talent and high intensity...in fact euro league was considered soft back then but now its reversed..and fiba hasnt changed..the nba has changed to fake wwe micky mouse sport
Not the same era. Rasheed and LeBron are 10 years apart in age and one of the biggest and most impactful rule changes in NBA history came about in 2001-2002. The defensive 3-in-the-key was implemented in 2001-2002 to neutralize the efficacy of zone defense and unclog the paint thereby giving offensive players (like LeBron) a better chance to make plays at the rim. Can you imagine if that rule came 4-5 years earlier and what it would’ve done for guys like McGrady, VC and Kobe?
I think KD and LeBron would be great in any era but Pippen would do well against KD in my opinion.
I love Gilbert's take. Man keeping it real. :-)
No questions the league is soft compared to before the 2000s and it’s become easier to score because of all defensive restrictions but all great players deserve respect
Let’s be real, Jimmy makes everybody’s day better!
@David Berger spoken just like a trump supporter. If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck....
@a namer here Dude this is a basketball channel. Talk politics somewhere else. Clearly no one cares who Jimmy supports. Biden or Trump. You should probably get a new hobby. Good luck with that.
@Jacob Soto ok? But why would anyone care if they are a Biden supporter? Biden is actually a good person unlike trump
I can see lebron KD and others thriving in any era but as for steph and harden, I'm not confident. Steph has always been injury prone and players back then are too physical. Steph is the kind of player that demands attention as soon as he enters the half court. They'll just "foul" him out to injury and the refs wouldn't even call it. One thing for sure is that he'll dominate that era by surprise for a while with long range shots but wouldn't last long because they'd find countermeasures against him. As for harden, I don't know much about him but I know that he relies on drawing foul calls and the recent rules troubled him already. It may be because he got too used to drawing foul skill that he's having a hard time erasing it. He hadn't found much success before he got the drawing foul skill. Perhaps he'd still be an above average player in any era but wouldn't call him great.
After a second watch, I've noticed that Rasheed Wallace and Dennis Rodman actually contradict each other in their assessment of LeBron James. Wallace thinks he would be "soft" (lack of athleticism and resistance after contact), whereas Rodman says all that James has got going for him is his athleticism, and that what he lacks is creativity and skills to actually overcome tougher defenders. The fact that they contradict each other is symptomatic of their mistake. And also reaffirms why Gilbert Arenas is right: its all about the rules. In an era where rules protect offenders more, for the sake of spectacle, defenders avoid contact in the same manner as before and LeBron's physicality can be put to a different use.
Thank You for these dope videos calling out these old fools , putting the old heads in check. 😏 😉 L J , Mike & Rasheed are My All Time Favorite Players , in that order Now Steph is there too. LeBron , Mike , Kobe, KD are who they are They’re everyone favorite players They’re My favorites too. Those Dudes are The GOATS with Magic & Bird as well. But Grandmama 👵🏿 is My All Time Favorite Player. Mike Is just something else. Mike was beyond Basketball. Mike , Steph , LJ & Rasheed are My All Time Favorite Players 😁 ✌️
I think Rasheed is talking about that DeadBall era (1996-2004). Lebron did pretty good in 04', and even a few years after some of the rule changes, the game was still physical. His efficiency was worse as was the entire league, compared to today.
even if he was talking about that era, kobe won 3 chips in that time and was the second best player on the arguably best team, if kobe could do it, there is a 100% chance that lebron would do it too
Let's be honest, most NBA stars today would've been just fine in the other ERAs.
All nba stars lmao
@DAVIDSFITNESS (#demigodgame) Fr tho Back then those fouls were 10x harder and they didnt get called
Nah be honest with your self B. Lol they depend on fouls so how in the heck would It be the same?
@Marcus Barnhart Lmfaooo
@AllAboutTheMurzic wilt worked out every single day of his life. I promise you. If he’s not pumping iron he’s pumping something else
Each era has rules and skills that can limit and allow all players to show their talents and skills. That means, it was fair to all players and they all have a chance to prove that he was the best in that era no matter what era they played. And the best player of his era was considered the GOAT of that era. Then, the GOAT of every era with the best personal and team awards that above all considered GOATs of different eras means, he is the real and true GOAT.
The only thing here I agree with from the NBA players is that the rules have changed so we need to find a place to play them, but other than that these are just words. I didn't understand what Gibert Arenas was sayign but I think he was on the side of Rodman's claims not being legit and if so he was right.
I don't know alot about basketball and I mostly stay informed watching your videos. There is a pattern I see from old school player which scream lack of humility in general. I think it stems from the fact that during the Michael Jordan era, the big man complex was there; you had to trash talk and act big to succeed. It's like a culture of who's got the bigger ego to be the bigger player. It seems to work generally but what happens is every player has their own universe unable to see the greatness of others regardless of their own time period (Shaq with Yao for exemple). I may be wrong and it may not be only framed from a particular era in basketball but just pro sport in general.
You are incredibly wrong
The amount of talent that pro players had back then was a dime a dozen. Players now used their tactics and training, and then improved on it. The only thing 90’s players say are that there too soft, yeah, they will bulk up, Giannis would most definitely still be destroying these 90’s without a doubt. The only thing I know about sports in the 90’s is that players were dirtier and there was more cheating, either tryna injury other players or paying off the refs. (Literally in every sport in the 90’s had this problem) so no one should respect that shit, players like lebron, were basically destroying the tail end of 90’s players careers, and there acting like they wouldn’t be as good. Fouling others and cheating isn’t hard or you being better it’s you being too trash to play fair
Wilt Chamberlain has said in some interviews that Jordan wouldn't survive in his era. This bullshit has been going on forever 😂
@MJ23GOAT that is a long winded way of saying that mj was not a good or even willing passer in 80s like bird but I knew that anyways
@Leo Derosia "maybe should've setting up his teammates like bird and magic instead of jacking up 30 shots" Up to this point I just thought you were someone with a typical East Coast/Beantown bias but now you're just outright showin' basketball cluelessness. Any NBA coach ever will tell you if a guy's shooting 50% or better from the field he's got the green light to shoot ALL. DAY. LONG. Especially if he's on a team where basically only one other guy (Woolridge) could score for squat. Ya' gotta get points on the board if you want W's. Michael averaged 51.9% shooting his first five full years in the league.
@MJ23GOAT the 91 champon bulls could not beat down a old 91celtic team so how could they beat 86 or 84 Celtics? The bulls were the ones getting beat up by Celtics and pistons in 80s ...maybe should've setting up his teammates like bird and magic instead of jacking up 30 shots
@Leo Derosia "the celtics were past their prime after 86 and the bulls did not beat them in a season series until birds last season" And remind me again, what year was Bird's last? Oh, that's right, 1992. Just so happened to be around the time that the Bulls dynasty began, which was my whole point. You're doing a lotta crowin' about MJ having a losing record against Bird but that was during the _first half_ of MJ's career, before the Bulls put all of the pieces in place around him. Once those pieces _were_ in place though even those Celtics teams of the 80's would've been taking some _wicked awesome_ beatdowns by ChiTown. "...imagine if bias survived..." Let me guess, you're from Boston? Spare _me_ the bullshit. I'm so tired of Celtics fans and their what ifs about Len Bias. Yeah, imagine if Bias survived...and he ended up becoming the second coming of Sam Bowie. There are no sure things in the NBA. We've all seen guys that looked like they were gonna be world beaters then turned out to be Bust-O-Matics once they got on the hardwood. But even if Bias had been great he wasn't going to be _any_ kinda match for MJ.
@MJ23GOAT the celtics were past their prime after 86 and the bulls did not beat them in a season series until birds last season so spare me the bullshit...imagine if bias survived , bird and McHale were healthy then the asswhippings wouldve continued to 91 at least and even in that year they were 2 and 2 vs Chicago.
Watching this after the Celtics nets series talking about KD and how you can’t shut him down is non-existent
As a Bulls fan and a MJ fan growing up in the 90s I have no doubt that LeBron James would have been a really good player and no different than he is now. This video should have been about if Stephen Curry played in the 90s he would have been getting crushed.
King James is the best there currently is in NBA right now give him the respect he deserves period! 🙅♂️
Rasheed is acting like he's from the Magic/Bird era lmao
damn. Much respect to Gilbert , he’s real asf.
@Lebron James LeBron lives rent free in your head. Thats crazy...
You talking about a player who one rarely played defense right. He ain't real because he pulled a gun on his teammate, I like Hibachi but he wrong its not adaptation. Its opinionated young fella. He speaking on his behalf because its his era that is being demeaned as he should. If McGrady says this era soft is he fake ...I dare you. Double dogg...
@martyg23 they weren't though. Mcgrady even said that when he first came into league (straight outta high school) he was surprised many players couldn't even drive with their left hand and do other things
Yeah but to say guys in the 90's aren't as skilled as todays players is BS. Yes you got tall guys like KD that can hit a shot from anywhere but back then you got guys that lived in the paint and could rebound. Guys new their role and stuck to it. Now it's just a cluster because you got guys like AD shooting threes when he could be dominating down low. It's a give and take. I'd say guard play now is superior to then but the big man post game has almost disappeared.
@Lebron James that’s true 😔
I loved watching Sheed and Rodman play when I was a kid but I can't agree with them. You could make a case for LeBron maybe not having a prolonged career but in his prime I don't think the legends could totally shut him down. Bron is essentially Karl Malone with a 3 pointer. As far as KD playing old school, he wouldn't even have to drive as much. KD is a 7 footer with guard skills, he could just rain jumpers over any defense
Except LeBron _doesn't_ have a 3-pointer. He's at a mundane 34.6% career. The league average for James' career is 35.6%, so he's below average. But like most of his generation he BELIEVES he's a much better three point shooter than the statistics show he actually is.
to be honest, u cant really compare stats like that, lebron was all that Cavs got, he handles the ball, Rasheed had someone else to spread the stats.
11:22 You cannot stop him you can only hope to contain him
when rasheed said his era, he didnt mean himself. he meant the whole era of Bulls-Lakers champions
Thank you, Jimmy! So tired of this debate. These former players are trying to raise themselves up by pushing others down. The game evolves. We have an entire generation that has learned from MJ, and now an entire generation that has learned from LeBron. There is a huge benefit to being younger because you can draw from a larger pool of experience, and that is part of the reason why today's players, on average, are more skilled and better shooters. The game evolves, the rules change, and the players adapt.
@Chauvin Took a knee 4blm the 80s lakers wont a super team kareem magic james worthy michael cooper and also had two other hof players that was outta prime from the 70s lakers cooper was a dpoy if ur asking who is that plus kobe has been on super teams 2004 shaq kobe gary payton karl malone and solid ass role players 2012 kobe gasol dwight steve nash chris paul was supposed to be traded but the nba commish vetoed the trade but no ones hating becuase they said kobe was on a superteam and u dont know nothing about basketball if u think derek fisher was nothing if derek never hit the game winning shot 2000 finals game 4 the lakers wouldve went to games 7 and who knows what happens their
Ain't nobody learning nothing from these new generation but soft shit in every sport period if you part of the new generation you soft too mind frame soft no diss the truth
@Shem Gilbert How? Was adam silver rigging the 4th pick for the lakers so that the trade could go through? This argument doesnt make sense unless you also think league is rigged lol. Kyrie is not underratted. What has he done without lebron. Jack. Injured 60 games a yr and always in the playoffs. Will never be first option on a team, more suitable to be a third option as seen currently
@Alex You AD and LeBron have the same sports agent and he was issued a warning for tampering when it came to recruiting him. It is very common knowledge that nowadays players already know where they're going and who they're playing with next. You can keep underrating Kyrie as much as you want to but the fact of the matter is he was a gold medalist and multiple time all star before Lebron
@Alex You it can only be a double standard if someone else did it and it wasn't treated the same.
So, I want to agree that Larry and Magic and Pippen, the rest would all be just as dominate in today's game as they were in their era, and I think a lot of them could be. Jordan certainly would be. Here's the rub though, every other competitive sport in the world is seeing modern athletes completely destroy previous records. Modern sports medicine, diet, training, coaching and equipment has produced some absolute freaks in just about every sport in the world. I can't imagine that basketball is the sole exception. Today's players are almost certainly in better physical condition than the 80's and 90's era guys. On top of that the rules changes have turned the NBA into a skill league, so these monsters all have a dependable jump shot and usually a decent handle. I honestly think that if you just plucked say, Karl Malone as he was in his prime and dropped him into the league, he'd end up being a strong starter, but guys like Giannis or KD or a healthy Zion would eat him for lunch. Now, if you assume that all those guys from back then were given access to the same type of modern amenities that today's athletes have, it becomes a lot harder to say. Those guys could maintain their physicality more efficiently today, and so at some point it would just be a question of which among those athletes could actually develop the skilled portion of their games to today's level. I don't think there's any way to really know though. The game, and the entire world frankly, has just changed too much. Even the way athletes watch and study tape today is radically different. Jordan watched all of his tape on freaking VHS. Lol
Pretty sure Sheed was referencing the MJ era. Specifically the one that ended with the Bulls dynasty.
One word “Legoat” no disrespect to the other legends that ever step foot on the court
Any high level athlete will adapt .. even street ballers know when you play on certain courts you get fouled more or there hand checking ect you adapt after a couple games
Love this analysis. Even as I get older, I watch and admire the young talent coming up. Yep...Giannis is going to succeed in any era. Just like Zero says, that success might look different, but he's gonna succeed. (And saying LeBron wouldn't succeed back in the day is just dumb. He did!)
@HLYL Curry rarely gets cold and All stars get cold sometimes, it’s part of the game. Plenty of players have had early injuries. Maybe Curry won’t have early injuries since the pace was different. Plenty players have been late bloomers. I have to disagree with your point(s).
@Kyle Claassen wow amazing
@Metta Vinci He actually averaged 20, 5 and 6! Get your facts right!
@Metta Vinci poor Reggie
@No Hassle couldn’t even win 1 game when it mattered the most … (mvp) even Nash got lucky
Lebron has no moves, but I appreciate the finesse and touch he’s developed since joining the lakers
Though I feel he’d still be a dominant, great player(A BEAST!!)
People forget how good stoudemire was. Usually you here people talking about him like he was a bum because of his disappointing stint with the knicks, but just look at those win shares. He was legit the best player on that suns team multiple years. Shawn marrion was a beast too another guy who doesn’t get any love. Everyone always says “it was Steve Nash and the system that made them any good.” That might be partly true but nah they were legit beasts in their own right.
I get what they're saying but in all fairness to Bron it's not him being soft, it's the rules of todays NBA, he's just taking advantage of it.
Legendary take bro
@Chuks Azu AND got his ankles took by Flight 😭😭
Isn’t this the same dude that clickbaited Kobe’s death
O sh*t flightMike what up 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Big fan cuh
"You can bump him, grab him, trash him, hand check em, it doesn't matter.... THAT'S HOW GENERATIONAL TALENT WORKS"!
He's talking about them 90's he was in for a minute. By the 2000's the game was going the soft route
You are right about that they have skill sets and this era is shooters but defense at 80s compare to now and you didn't get what rodman say if lebron play at 80s era believe me lebron gonna be injured and 80s player can improve to this era because 80s basketball is nasty
That's wild if I was bron and bro never remembered the time I whooped his time by 48 then I'm definitely bringing that memory back
This is why I liked Kobe cuz he never said this type of stuff he appreciates the players and the game and tried to make basketball better
@Emoji Mr hakeem nor shaq ain't better then kobe
@CJ Kobe was carried by shaq… “no more attention” okay mr 500 views ur so cool😹
@SteadyCapalot KD a better scorer but Kobe had a better career its funny how you gotta compare him to the most elite scorers shows how good he is😂 and you saying he might be Jordan’s son you’re obviously mad and get no more attention from me
@CJ funny how MJ treated Kobe like his son😭 maybe cause he is 😹 Kobe not even than KD u little kid
Pretty sure Sheed is talking about "his era" being before hand-checking was banned, following the 2003/04 season. The pre-hand-check era is the era he grew up with and then debuted and played in. LeBron's entire career has been played in the post-hand-check era. That's what Sheed is talking about. The NBA definitely has a HUGE problem when it comes to "eras". It's gonna be fun in 10 years when the "old heads" are complaining that their deep threes aren't being adjusted to four points, after the four point line is introduced...
Lebron is just the definition of a great player. period.
He is now an assistant coach for the Los Angeles Lakers.💀
Let’s put in perspective, Lebrons era is soft cause of all the rules that have been put in place to reduce the physical aspect of the game. It’s the same as football, after 2001, a million rules have been created to protect players. Now these rules always help out the offense aspect of the game so you see higher scoring games after all these rules been created. I can’t agree with this video! Ive been watching sports in the 90s, 2000s, to 2020 and there’s an obvious change in the physical aspect of the game.
How many players were average or got injured and never blossomed back in the day? A lot of those “tweeners” has been sand never were type of guys absolutely would have loved the opportunity to play in todays game! Karl Malone is the closest thing to LeBron that we had… and he was absolutely great! But…. IDK if Lebron could’ve Or would’ve been able to take that actual beating on a nightly basis both physically AND mentally!!!
So what if there is a change in physical aspect? It don't mean the skill level is down. You need to have more skill today than in previous years to thrive in this era. You can't just be physical to make an impact anymore
1.Sorry but the biggest difference between Larry and lebron is that Larry is a all time great shooter. 2.Karl Malone has far better post moves than lebron so both are not a good comparison. 3. Spurs game play against lebron clearly worked by letting him shoot. 4. Dennis would lock him up if lebron doesn't switch on every Possession
Totally agree with any great being great in any era. Think a big difference between the NBA now and in years past is the skill floor being higher now. Role players and average starters in today’s league have skills that previous ones didn’t. Especially if you look at modern bigs being both physical and big down low and stretching the floor.
THANK YOUU this what these nostalgia feens don’t realize about the game now they think the game is still played where people is elbowing each other to create space
I think the players of today are as great as the ones who played the 90s (and their skills are better...), but I still enjoy more an era which build more on big men, middle range shots, more contact and less technicals, and less 3s, fouls, flops and other stuff we have too much today.
Flops happened frequently back in the day
The softening began when Michael Jordan retired and the did away with hand checking. That happened before Lebron James started. The nerfed defense in favor of higher scoring games. This was about having ratings without micheal Jordan. The real question is what if Lebron played in the 90's.
No it didn’t, 18 yr old lebron played when hand checking was still in place abs averaged 21 5 6 so hand checking would’ve meant nothing to him
Love how Jimmy uses facts and stats to make a conclusions everytime
@Bee Dee Bee yea but people equate soft to being worse skill wise too. Wilt thought Jordan’s entire era was soft and he’d average 70 the way they called the game. It’s the same argument people make now for Jordan
He actually cherry picks
Rasheed Wallace played from 1996-2010-2013 LeBron James played from 2003-202? Major rule changes occurred from 2000-2002 making the game MUCH Softer. It is just a fact that the modern era is softer than the 90's. On the plus side, the class of 2010-2015 looks like a rough bunch. East looks Beast.
Those facts aren't always correct! 5:15 he said LeBron averaged 27.8 points, 7.0 rebounds, 5.8 assists He actually averaged 27.8 points, 7.0 rebounds and 7.0 assists!
one issue is though that Jimmy doesn't mention stats/facts that don't support his point which is a major problem as it creates a false narrative
You are comparing Rasheed to LeBron, whilst Rasheed is comparing LeBron to the beasts of his era, e.g.: Kobe, Iverson, etc
they make good points you can’t avoid it at this point, lebron isn’t the player he used to be that can carry a team like that cavs team to the final. it isn’t hate, or trash talking. it’s just the facts. doesn’t matter what numbers you put on a stat sheet, look at westbrooks fluke mvp season that got his team nowhere. old man lebron simply is no longer in his prime.
I believe Lebron running through Rodman would resemble those videos of a train bashing through a car stuck on the tracks. These fools forget that this man is doing better in his 20th year than some of them did in their primes lmao
When jimmy said “poke his eye out and he’ll stil get buckets on you” I lost
80',early 90's fouls would be techs & hard fouls ejections in todays game. IMO. That takes a toll on the body. Having said that, a top tier athlete is still top tier regardless of era. Lastly, don't put Shaq & Jordan up if they aren't in video! You make good points in your vids. Integrity man!
@jamaine berry wym
Skinny dudes can take it but a man built 260 in muscles can't handle those fouls y'all fooled by his flopping that he can't take it
Repent to Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!
@Ma1q but still won Championships
@Devin B Smarter than you at least
Could you make a video analyzing the skills and game of Kobe vs LeBron... you are always very objective, so I would like to see your video with the comparison analysis between this 2 great players
@keelsmac01 Kobe is barley top 10 , Lebron is arguably the goat.. there is no comparison
Kobe…no doubt. Not a question.
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