Korra is a Good Show | Defending the Legend of Korra (Avatar Month 2020) - CMG

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    MattCMGMattCMG

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    In the finale of this year's Avatar Month, we revisit the Legend of Korra, a show with many flaws, but also many unfair criticisms against it. Today, we'll be refuting many of these unfair criticisms, proving them incorrect and invalid, in an attempt to get people to truly appreciate this show. Join me in defending the Legend of Korra! #Avatar #AvatarTheLastAirbender #TheLegendOfKorra
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    0:00 Intro (What This Video IS and What This Video ISN'T)
    2:35 Part 1: Korra and Her Character Development
    12:06 Part 2: The Supporting Cast and Their Purpose
    16:56 Part 3: The Villains
    23:17 Part 4: Retcons and Plotholes (that don't actually exist)
    31:14 Part 5: The Role of Bending and Martial Arts
    42:39 Part 6: Miscellaneous
    50:53 Part 7: The Double Standard (and the Legacy of A:tLA)
    57:55 Part 8: Your Favorite Reviews are Garbage and Here's Why
    1:09:28 Part 8.5: Roasting/Debunking Comments
    1:45:16 Conclusion
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The Admiral's Analysis
The Admiral's Analysis

Ahoy, MattCMG! It's been a while since the ship returned to YouTube since the fourth and final part of our response series to Lily Orchard's video. The Admiral began college courses in January, so he's hardly had any time to tend to his other hobbies, much less work on anything related to the channel. However, it was a pleasant surprise to see you mention the ship on this video, so we thought it would be inappropriate if we didn't drop by to say thanks for the shout-out and the flattery. Once his schedule becomes a bit less congested, The Admiral plans to celebrate it being a year since he first watched "The Legend of Korra" by rewatching "The Legend of Korra", _then_ he plans to get back to work on the next video he has promised. Your hilarious comment response sequence also inspired him to consider making a video response to comments made under his own content, so thank you for being his muse. Excellently put video, and keep up the good work!

Vor 8 Monate
Lone Battle Droid
Lone Battle Droid

@Tiny Renegheid just saying

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Tiny Renegheid
Tiny Renegheid

@Lone Battle Droid Your point?

Vor Monat
Lone Battle Droid
Lone Battle Droid

@Tiny Renegheid You are aware that in the 1920-30's Great Britain a Western power owned/ controlled Hong Kong for several decades and even before then China was being influenced by other Western powers as well as the Japanese who industrialized around 1968 also due to Western influence right?

Vor Monat
Reuben Manzo
Reuben Manzo

@Tiny Renegheid It doesn't. It has to do with political correctness and what you are or aren't allowed to say.

Vor 2 Monate
Tiny Renegheid
Tiny Renegheid

@Reuben Manzo What does this have to do with stand-up comedy?

Vor 2 Monate
Morg
Morg

In some ways I almost like Korra more

Vor 22 Stunden
The RealMickey
The RealMickey

So I think ghazan come from a fire nation colony and since there was fire and earth nation living together like in the avatar the last air bender comics there had to be more earth bender fire bender couples

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Anna Rustan
Anna Rustan

I just want to say. I personally did not like The Legend of Korra. And personally do not care much whether a show is good or bad. I watch it and either like it or don't. And then, like a rational person, I let it go. I just want to let people who didn't know that: !!!You don't need an argument for liking/ disliking a show. !!!Your taste doesn't make a show good/bad. !!!You do need argurments to say whether a show is good/bad. However, being good at convincing people does not mean your argument is good. People have many reasons why they agree/disagree with something rather than the strenght of the argument. !!!You are allowed to like both objectively good and obejectively bad things - shows, music, movies, fashion, and so on. !!!People are allowed to have a different opinion. !!!You look stupid for making people feel bad for any of the mentioned above.

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Killer Alex
Killer Alex

I don't have any problem with korra or any of the main characters,it's just the villains that piss me off ,and the choice of how they made the story go on ,tho overall I'd personally I give it a 7/10 it has its flaws but it's a pretty good show

Vor 4 Tage
Emily Chestney
Emily Chestney

Although I personally preferred the fact that ATLA had an overarching villain and an overarching goal (Defeating the firelord before the comet) over all 3 seasons (despite the "smaller" seasonal villains), I really love TLOK! I felt that couldn't always connect and fear the villains in TLOK to the same extent purely because of the fact that they changed every season, and the seasons were overall a few episodes shorter than ATLA. Saying this, it doesn't take anything away from the fact that they are incredible villains and incredible story arcs within themselves. I feel like TLOK was mostly written carefully just in case they didn't get renewed for an extra season, but even if that was the case, the writers did an excellent job of linking the seasons together. I am also very impressed with how the writers showed Korra's intense struggle, and how the villains are based on a view that in some ways is reasonable, but they take it too far. About the Mary Sue comments, as a female, it makes me really really happy to see a female who doesn't just get everything easily because she looks pretty. With both Korra and Asami, they are both beautiful characters and are shown to be within the show, however, this never is the reason for their success. Korra didn't get her bending back because she was a pretty girl and Asami didn't run her own company successfully because of her looks. It's entirely unfair to call their characters a "Mary Sue", especially because the show clearly shows how much they have to work and struggle for the things that don't come naturally to them. Yes Korra mastered 3 elements fast, and yes she did get her bending back in what could be considered a seemingly easy fashion in comparison to how Aang mastered the elements, but that's pretty much the extent to what Korra was just handed. One thing I will say is that I kind of agree with some of the more negative comments about season 2, IMO it's the weakest of the 4, however I watched a great video the other day of someone rewriting season 2, which I think could've made all the difference and potentially changed some views about the series as a whole. I'll try and find the video to link in a reply to this comment, but I HIGHLY recommend watching it as I feel they did an amazing job at making it stronger and also driving Korra even further away from the Mary Sue stereotype that people seem to hold her to. This was such an excellent video, thank you for making a video essay on why Korra is actually good!!! I don't see enough of them around :) (ps your roasts/responses to those comments was incredible)

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Emily Chestney
Emily Chestney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NowL-6nxQ this is the video I was on about!

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Shaiane O Hara
Shaiane O Hara

I guess I’m not the only one who loves the legend of Korra and Korra had a strong character arc until book 3 which is awesome.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

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Jinora The Air Nomad
Jinora The Air Nomad

I’d love to see an “ATLA Is Garbage And Here’s Why” video essay, using the same arguments of Aang being a Mary Sue, Zuko not growing any, and the rest of the Gaang being there for the sake of it. TLOK haters would call that person insane, but they use the same arguments.

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isaac henry
isaac henry

Korra should go down in history as one of the best anamated series ever created

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My Piano Music
My Piano Music

Yes! I loved both shows equally

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stefan
stefan

E;R also is a literal nazi so yeah ofc he was biased against a strong female, POC, LGBTQ+ lead. I still like ATLA a lot more than korra but the E;R review was fucking garbage. Great video matt.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

I tried not to mention it in the video (for monetization reasons), but him being a Nazi is yet another reason to not take E;R seriously lmao

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Ricardo Bautista Garcia
Ricardo Bautista Garcia

I simply did not want Korra to lose her connections, and I wanted more episodes with more worldbuilding.

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Ricardo Bautista Garcia
Ricardo Bautista Garcia

Other than that it was great.

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Bradley Altidor
Bradley Altidor

I guess I’m a bigot🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

Vor 11 Tage
MattCMG
MattCMG

If you genuinely took offense to me saying "if you hate this character because she's brown or hate this ship because its gay, then you're a bigot", then yeah, you're probably a bigot.

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Nathaniel Martins
Nathaniel Martins

This show is OBJECTIVELY GARBAGE! Just checking how many of you will go bananas and lash out instead of keeping it civil and listen to the other side. 🤞 Fingers crossed not more than 5 🤞

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Nathaniel Martins
Nathaniel Martins

@MattCMG Then the trick will work.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

I legit can't tell if this is bait or not lmao

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Noah S
Noah S

Regarding Korrasami, it’s also worth noting that gay marriage wasn’t even legal at the time of TLOK’s airing (it was made legal in 2015). Did people really expect the show to be able to depict a fully realized same-sex couple without getting cancelled? That’s the whole reason it feels rushed, because they had to basically hide the relationship so it could pass as a friendship. Even today it’s hard to have gay characters on children’s TV programs. If the creators could have shown more, they 100% would have and the show would’ve been all the better for it. If anything, Korrasami is huge for being one of the first same-sex couples on children’s TV programming and paving the way for more representation.

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Troyo 3
Troyo 3

Loved this!!!! Thankyouuuuuuuu!!!!!!! People that don’t like this show make no sense at all

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Troyo 3
Troyo 3

In my opinion is just as good !!! I don’t get why people talk crap about it

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Crow Mythic
Crow Mythic

"Just because you shoot fire doesn't make you a fire bender". Yes it does lol. Wan was shooting fire, making fire balls to throw, making fire walls to protect himself and actively controlling it like a torch. This is the dumbest argument ever. By this logic, Korra wasn't aaaaacturally an earth, fire and water bender as a child because she didn't learn the martial arts yet- yet was controlling earth, shooting fire and bending water proficiently with control. It's not consistent. Katara saying "sorta, not yet" doesn't invalidate it because we know Katara actively LACKED CONTROL of her element, couldn't even send water in the correct direction early on. She was self conscious of herself. Also, she explicitly said "you're looking at the only water bender in the entire south pole". And "she was protecting the last waterbender" to her mother's killer. Going by your logic, Katara doesn't really become a water bender until she studies the scrolls? Someone who never learns from masters isnt actually bending?

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"Korra had proficiency with all 3 elements by that time." Ok, bending semantics aside, this statement still isn't true. Korra was nowhere near proficient with any of those three elements. The most she could do was splash a puddle, move a rock, and shoot a tiny puff of fire, all with pretty bad form when compared to actual trained benders. In the comics (which I know people in your camp would probably say just makes shit worse), 4-year-old Korra is shown in a snowstorm, unable to produce enough fire to light a campfire. Even *if* she was somehow a master at each of the martial arts associated with each element (which she clearly wasn't), her power output was pitiful, and I don't think even master benders would consider her proficient. It's not until she begins her Avatar training that she becomes proficient. "We learn from ATLA that bending is very much mindset. You have think a certain way to effectively bend earth, water etc." This isn't necessarily true, and is another case of fans thinking "well they did it this way in AtLA, so that must be the *only* way", which is an incredibly flawed sentiment. We see throughout both shows just how different someone's mindset can be toward bending and still be good at it. Toph's style of earthbending was completely different from traditional earthbending and her mindset towards it was much different than what most other earthbenders believe, and Toph was the literal best in the world. You mentioned Zhao, someone who actively *rejects* the mindset behind true firebending and is still considered one of the most ruthless of his time. If this discrepancy exists in AtLA, why wouldn't it exist in LoK too? "Even then, Korra showed control of that." Does she tho? It's made pretty clear that, much like Zhao (though to a much lesser extent), Korra lacks restrain, especially when it comes to her bending. Nothing in her introductory scene shows that she has meticulous control over her fire. In fact, the *opposite* is show, where she accidentally lights the White Lotus guy's robe on fire. "When Aang asks her if she is, she, not confident in her abilities, denies that she is one- but this doesn't mean she isn't one. She could said "yeah...but I don't have control of it yet" and it would have conveyed the same message. If this was apart of the writers idea from the beginning, she would simply have said "No"" That's fair, though there are a lot of things in AtLA that they say very early on that are contradicted much later. This thing about "not being a true bender" very well *could* have been what Bryke intended but backed out on (my guess being because it would overcomplicate things for the very semantic issues we've been discussing). "Fighter literally means "a person that fights". A bender is a person who bends. There is difference between a skilled bender and unskilled bender- but the result is the same= bending. The same way a person can be unskilled but get into a lot of fights, that doesn't make them not a bender." Where do we draw the line, though? Simply moving a rock with your mind is _technically_ bending, but that's not really saying much because *anyone* can do that (within reason) without necessarily having any instruction or guidance. They would be bending on the most basic of levels, but I don't think anyone would consider them a _bender_ bender, if you know what I mean. I think a better analogy would be something like singing: anyone can _technically_ sing, but you wouldn't call someone who can't hold a note properly a singer. "Are thee lightning benders in Korra who work in the city not benders? They're not learning lightning bending as a martial art- they're learning it as an occupation. Are the train workers in ATLA in Ba Sing Se not benders? They aren't learning bending as a martial art. They're learning it as an occupation." I actually hadn't considered this. I would assume that to be proficient enough at these occupations, though, you would need some form of combat training, since that's what bending *is* on a cultural level. This is less so the case in LoK, but in AtLA, bending is a large part of each nations culture (albeit to a lesser degree than people think), so I don't think its outlandish to assume that these train operators know at least _some_ martial arts. "The question still persists, did Katara only become a bender when she learned from the scrolls? So before that, all those fights she got in, she wasn't actually a bender? Or it took for her to learn from Paku to become one? Or does it only count if you learn from the original bender? There is no definitive answer, because its a silly distinction." I would argue that you wouldn't be considered a bender unless you take on *some* form of training *AND* put said training into practice. Katara took those first steps with the waterbending scroll, so by that point you could probably define her as a "bender in training" or something like that. Again, you're right in questioning where the line gets drawn, but its not as fine a line as either of us have made it out to be. "Zuko couldn't make fire in ATLA until he learned the truth of firebending." The first two and a half seasons would beg to differ... "Wan was able to shoot fireballs, control the size and power of his fire and make walls of fire to attack enemies without causing injury to himself right after obtaining it." He was able to do this after studying the dragons, but not *immediately* after getting it. "The Guru told Aang after Aang swore that he would never firebend again that "you are the Avatar, therefore you are a firebender". He didn't say "You are the Avatar, therefore you have the capacity to firebend"." Oh come on, that's a bad point and you know it. Avatar stuff is different. It's Aang's duty as the Avatar to become a firebender even if he technically wasn't one yet. He already knew he had the capacity to firebend, so in context the Guru would have no reason to say that. "So are the Swamp Benders water benders? They were completely disconnected from the water tribes and have an entirely different way of bending. Their "martial art" is fundamentally different too." They are, they just have a different style of waterbending (which we know exist). Bending *is* a martial art, but its not as rigid as you've made it out to be, there can be different sub-styles. We even see in the episode that Katara and the swamp benders use similar techniques, so its not like they're fundamentally different. "Oh I see, so the main villain of Book 3 of Korra wasn't a bender? He hadn't received any training or studied the bison by that point. In fact he hadn't been trained by any master." I like how you just completely ignored the exact quote you were responding to. I literally said "you *don't need* to be trained by a master", all I said was that you just need training. "Training", much like the martial arts themselves, aren't as rigid as they're made out to be. You can train yourself to do things just by reading about them, for example. In fact, Zaheer does exactly this, where before he was imprisoned he was obsessed with airbenders and learned a lot about their culture (which includes their bending and martial arts), and once in prison he had nothing but time to ruminate on that. He *is* a bender because he learned from the masters, just in a second-hand way.

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Crow Mythic
Crow Mythic

​@MattCMG "Exactly yes. Korra could bend fire but she wasn't a firebender yet." >>>>>>>>>>>>Korra had proficiency with all 3 elements by that time. She was a bender. This is a nonsensical distinction to make. "So was Korra. The only difference is that Korra had some extremely rudimentary knowledge of how to bend that she clearly wasn't implementing properly, otherwise she would have shown much more skill than she does (which isn't much when you really look at it)" >>>>>>>>>>>>? We only had a minute to see her bending ability as a child. We learn from ATLA that bending is very much mindset. You have think a certain way to effectively bend earth, water etc. She had already gotten over that hurdle as a child. I don't see how you can say she wasn't implementing properly? Fire benders without control of their element- Zhao, for example, burn with no distinction. Even then, Korra showed control of that. "the former quote can easily be explained as a semantics thing." >>>>>>>>Your quote can be explained the same way lmfao. " It'd be a lot easier for a novice to say "I'm a waterbender" than it is to say "well I have the ability to bend water, but I don't know any techniques". This is why Katara says she's "sorta" a waterbender in the same episode as she says the earlier quote (which, if anything, shows that AtLA is the one being inconsistent here)." >>>>>>>>>>>>Sure. You can say its inconsistent on ATLA's part, but I do think context shows explains this away. Korra IS a waterbender. When Aang asks her if she is, she, not confident in her abilities, denies that she is one- but this doesn't mean she isn't one. She could said "yeah...but I don't have control of it yet" and it would have conveyed the same message. If this was apart of the writers idea from the beginning, she would simply have said "No" "who never learns from masters isnt actually bending?" "Let me answer your question with a question (one that I already posed in the video, but whatever): if I throw a punch, would you consider me a fighter? Probably not. Having the capability to do something is not the same as learning how to do that thing properly." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here is the problem with your analogy. Fighter literally means "a person that fights". A bender is a person who bends. There is difference between a skilled bender and unskilled bender- but the result is the same= bending. The same way a person can be unskilled but get into a lot of fights, that doesn't make them not a bender. Are thee lightning benders in Korra who work in the city not benders? They're not learning lightning bending as a martial art- they're learning it as an occupation. Are the train workers in ATLA in Ba Sing Se not benders? They aren't learning bending as a martial art. They're learning it as an occupation. The question still persists, did Katara only become a bender when she learned from the scrolls? So before that, all those fights she got in, she wasn't actually a bender? Or it took for her to learn from Paku to become one? Or does it only count if you learn from the original bender? There is no definitive answer, because its a silly distinction. " Bending is much the same. Anybody (well, technically not anybody, but you know what I mean) can throw a rock with their mind with very little training, but not everyone who can do that would be an earthbender." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zuko couldn't make fire in ATLA until he learned the truth of firebending. Wan was able to shoot fireballs, control the size and power of his fire and make walls of fire to attack enemies without causing injury to himself right after obtaining it. The Guru told Aang after Aang swore that he would never firebend again that "you are the Avatar, therefore you are a firebender". He didn't say "You are the Avatar, therefore you have the capacity to firebend". " Bending is a martial just as much (arguably more so than) it is a superpower." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are the Swamp Benders water benders? They were completely disconnected from the water tribes and have an entirely different way of bending. Their "martial art" is fundamentally different too. "That's not to say you must learn from a master or something, but a bender without training might as well not be considered a bender." Oh I see, so the main villain of Book 3 of Korra wasn't a bender? He hadn't received any training or studied the bison by that point. In fact he hadn't been trained by any master.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"By this logic, Korra wasn't aaaaacturally an earth, fire and water bender as a child because she didn't learn the martial arts yet- yet was controlling earth, shooting fire and bending water proficiently with control." Exactly yes. Korra could bend fire but she wasn't a firebender yet. "It's not consistent. Katara saying "sorta, not yet" doesn't invalidate it because we know Katara actively LACKED CONTROL of her element, couldn't even send water in the correct direction early on. She was self conscious of herself." So was Korra. The only difference is that Korra had some extremely rudimentary knowledge of how to bend that she clearly wasn't implementing properly, otherwise she would have shown much more skill than she does (which isn't much when you really look at it). "Also, she explicitly said "you're looking at the only water bender in the entire south pole". And "she was protecting the last waterbender" to her mother's killer." Disregarding the latter quote (which was said *after* Katara was already a master waterbender), the former quote can easily be explained as a semantics thing. It'd be a lot easier for a novice to say "I'm a waterbender" than it is to say "well I have the ability to bend water, but I don't know any techniques". This is why Katara says she's "sorta" a waterbender in the *same episode* as she says the earlier quote (which, if anything, shows that AtLA is the one being inconsistent here). "Going by your logic, Katara doesn't really become a water bender until she studies the scrolls? Someone who never learns from masters isnt actually bending?" Let me answer your question with a question (one that I already posed in the video, but whatever): if I throw a punch, would you consider me a fighter? Probably not. Having the capability to do something is not the same as learning how to do that thing properly. Bending is much the same. Anybody (well, _technically_ not anybody, but you know what I mean) can throw a rock with their mind with very little training, but not everyone who can do that would be an earthbender. Bending is a martial just as much (arguably more so than) it is a superpower. That's not to say you must learn from a master or something, but a bender without training might as well not be considered a bender.

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Gregory Tu
Gregory Tu

I also hear from critics that Korra gets all her problems solved for her, alongside the "mary sue" argument, wondering about that.

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lunararcher 123
lunararcher 123

I agree :)

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Seth Seth
Seth Seth

This is a weak counter argument to the reviews and criticism LOK gets. No matter how much you defend LOK, there are still holes in her character that the creators just BS and lazily wrote. The creators of the Show are nothing without the Head Writer

Vor 16 Tage
MattCMG
MattCMG

"Everything was handed to her without her working hard to even earn the things or elements." I already proved in the video how this *isn't* the case. Maybe consider actually paying attention to it before you try to counter me. "She literally dated everyone in her friend group" And this is a problem because...? "with no respect to their feelings" This is just blatantly false. Korra feels bad for Bolin when she kisses Mako in front of him and she purposefully avoids getting between Mako and Asami (in fact, its Mako who makes the move here, so its not Korra's fault). "She can't solve problems on her own, she literally can't function on her own without help." Several problems with this sentiment. Firstly, you have completely misunderstood what Korra's arc is even about. Part of Korra's character is that she's too quick to be independent. Part of her character is that she needs to learn to accept help from others, that being the Avatar doesn't mean she has to do everything on her own. Even if that wasn't the case, why is it a bad thing for a character to get help with things? This is yet another "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situations with LoK criticism: when Korra solves her problems on her own she's called a Mary Sue, but when she gets help with her problems she's called useless. There's no winning with you people. "She flat out disrespects and disregards authority over her just because it doesn't align with her motives." Which she apologizes and atones for doing every time it happens. "She's even impatient." Oh no! Not _impatient!_ An impatient character can't possibly be good! In case the sarcasm wasn't enough of an indicator, you've vastly misunderstood Korra's character yet again. The whole point of her being impatient at first is to *learn from it,* which she does by the end of the first season. I discussed this in the video (which you clearly didn't pay attention to), but its disingenuous to judge a character based on a first impression. By that logic, Aang would just be some goofy kid and Zuko and angry brute. I don't think I need to tell you that neither of those are the case and why its wrong to judge a character that way. You wouldn't do it anywhere else, why only with Korra? "I know what you're gonna say, but she gets it all and improves in the end the video explains why this and that." Well you're not _entirely_ wrong. I _did_ explain this in the video. Maybe consider actually watching it? "Except it doesn't. It doesn't carry over into her character. Her growth is not well implied and she's reactive to everything and is not proactive." Dude, every example that you provided of Korra supposedly not growing was based entirely on the first season (disregarding the end of it at that), which indicates to me that the only thing that matters to you about a character is the setup without any regard to resolution. Even then, all the reasons you gave for why she's a bad character boiled down to "she did a thing that I wouldn't have done, so she's bad". If you had actually payed attention to the show (or my video) beyond that surface level, then you'd see *exactly* how she grows.

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Seth Seth
Seth Seth

@MattCMG Her stinted Character Development alone has holes. Everything was handed to her without her working hard to even earn the things or elements. She literally dated everyone in her friend group with no respect to their feelings even when there is time to confront her with it they just play it off with banter and moves on with the next scene. She can't solve problems on her own, she literally can't function on her own without help. She flat out disrespects and disregards authority over her just because it doesn't align with her motives. She's even impatient. I know what you're gonna say, but she gets it all and improves in the end the video explains why this and that. Except it doesn't. It doesn't carry over into her character. Her growth is not well implied and she's reactive to everything and is not proactive.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

Name a "hole" in Korra's character, explain what you even mean by that, and explain why its "lazy". Otherwise I have no reason to take you seriously.

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Davis Golick
Davis Golick

I won’t deny that Korra has her development from warrior to peacemaker (to put it simply) however, it feels a little jarring. Like she just woke up one day and decided to talk through her problems instead of punching. Granted I haven’t watched through the whole series in a while and could easily be missing some things. Other than that, I have some problems with this series but I still can’t help but love it.

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Jared Boike
Jared Boike

Sorry for the long comment. Watching Lily Orchards Video, and then watching this was hilarious! Honestly though, I respect your opinion, but here is some of mine. So I had actually never watched it, but everyone I have ever talked to said it was a trash show and that it didn't make sense, and all it does is try to be a last airbender. So when I finally watched the show. I started to realize mistakes straight away, not only in the lore of the avatar universe itself, but with other plot points in the show that are definitely hard to watch. So first off, the love triangle, I vouch that putting those in TV shows and movies in general (UNLESS they are supposed to be about love triangles), is definitely a BAD idea. Just take a look at Arrow, (about the green arrow DC hero), it has multiple love triangles within and it just ruins the first and second seasons. Just leave the love triangles to those horribly bad Hallmark movies. Second of all, the animation, it starts of great, but the problem was is that there was so much detail in just Korras character alone, that the animators had to create simpler versions of her from season 2 onward, its very hard to animate and draw something that detailed for 4 full seasons. Next, the fighting sequences are very terrible at least after season 1. In fact, this is eluded to in the show itself when a character (I think Korra) said that all of the fighting styles have just been condensed down to punches and kicks (i.e. kickboxing). In this show in no way does it depict the spirituality that bending should have. In fact the original 4 bending styles were based off of real martial arts, and they elude to their own respective East Asian religious counterparts respectively (Buddhism, Shaolin etc.) Second of all, there is little to no character development from the side characters or even the main character. I know that in the show, they said that Korra was an exception to being the avatar. But in reality (in the last airbender) becoming the avatar is a lifelong process that takes years of traveling the world, and learning from the best teachers of each bending style respectively. In fact they threw quite a bit of the avatar lore under the bus. Now for the side character brothers, Mako and Bolin, they both were given a classic and overused sob backstory that their parents were killed bla bla bla, literally its just batman with a few small details left out, and then some thrown in. Its the exact same story for the first antagonist Amon, which is literally an exact recreation of the Mako and Bolin backstory. Back to the side characters, none of them get proper character development. Its like watching a Disney Live action remake, they take away some characters, change it so much that you cant even recognize it, and the side characters are basically nonexistent. Now for my final point, the setting. I love the setting, very steampunk 1920s-esc. Lily Orchard said this, and I agree (not whole heartedly though) that steampunk is slightly overused. Again, I dont fully agree with Orchard on this, but I do somewhat. If you made it down to here, holy crap, you must love to read! Have a beautiful day!

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Abiola Akorede
Abiola Akorede

I did agree even the writing of the plot is bad with in the same episode where she lost her bending before can even grasp how bad this is she gets it back then energy bending and avatar state it got to the point where the writers had to NERF her AS ( avatar state ) just for plot progression when she does it she either looses or get on the same level of a enemy fir 2 minutes

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Lizmary Chittarackal
Lizmary Chittarackal

except for the part where you compare the civil rights movement, this video is fantastic!

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Ryan Blanche
Ryan Blanche

As a teen, I always had a massive crush on Korra, I LOVED her design, voice actor, and rebellious nature. Maybe I was also branching off of Katara, as I also had a crush on her as a young kid for the same reasons.

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Meliza Garay ramos
Meliza Garay ramos

Analysis credit al fernandes: Many people always say that Korra was helped by the script and still lost. In my case, I always saw the opposite, and I would like the fans to realize that from book 1 on, the script always seeks to nerf out Korra in every possible way so that she doesn't have it so easy, while the villains were almost always in window positions over her. I'd like to explain a few of them. Book 1: Korra's fight vs. Tarrlok This fight is a clear example of how things happen in Tlok. Korra was literally sweeping the floor with Tarlok, no Avatar state, just her power. When he was about to finish it, bam, it turns out the guy is a bloodbender who can do control without the full moon and even in daylight. There weren't supposed to be any more bloodbenders in the world because Katara forbade the technique and Yakone had been taken away from his powers. Only under that concept, Korra lost the battle. Book 2: Korra vs. Unavaatu It is more than proven that Korra was able to defeat Unalaq and Vaatu separately with great speed and efficiency. With a single blow of air Korra removes Unalaq from the spirit world and after a short fight, Korra was about to lock up Vaatu. That's when Unalaq appears and hits her from behind, low and sneaky. Only under that precept do the two merge. Once merged their powers became as strong as Korra's, but she still fought very well at all times and there was no clear winner until .... Boom, out of the blue, Vaatu comes out of Unalaq's body and rips Raava away from Korra. Did anyone know or expect that Vaatu would be able to disable the avatar in three seconds? Why does the script give this advantage to Unalaq and not to Korra? Raava has much more experience with humans as she has been fused with them for 10,000 years. Why didn't Raava fuse Vaatu with Unalaq? There again an advantage of the script for the villain and a disadvantage for Korra. Everyone calls the blue giant a "guinazo", but no one questions that express disenchantment out of nowhere. Again, Korra is beaten not by power or skill, but by a technique taken from ql*. Book 3: Korra vs. Zaheer. In the first fight that both have throughout the book, Korra already starts at a disadvantage, as she is chained by arms and feet. This greatly affects her mobility and ability to perform the arm movements that control requires, as well as the evasive acrobatics. They try to keep the balance by bringing Tonraq into the fight, but if they realize, Tonraq only contains Zaheer, but the punches the villain takes are given by Korra, as she is, in chains. Then they take Tonraq out of the fight and leave Korra alone again, chained and exhausted. Under that premise, Korra loses the fight. Korra vs. Zaheer, second fight: At the end of the book, both fight again. This time Zaheer has a new skill: levitation. But before the fight begins, the script again seeks to put Korra at a disadvantage. Before everything begins, the red lotus administers lethal poison in large quantities to the Avatar. That poison contracts her muscles, weakens her, and tries to induce her to the Avatar State. Once Korra enters the Avatar State she breaks free and knocks down all the members of the red lotus in one blow, then she goes after Zaheer. Korra makes a great display of power, and when she finally manages to land a blow and Zaheer begins to lose flight... Boom, the poison begins to take effect. Now Korra, weak, poisoned and dying must face Zaheer who is fresh as a daisy. In the end, the script must look to the airbenders to help Korra, but it is understandable, she was literally dying and had to fight Zaheer alone. Why didn't they confront Korra with her normal abilities and on equal footing with Zaheer? Why did they put her at a disadvantage again? Book 4: Korra vs. Kuvira. This is perhaps the clearest example of how Korra is once again put at a disadvantage to enhance the villain of the day. Then her fight with Zaheer Korra was paralyzed. Fractions of red lotus venom remained inside her which atrophied her muscles, she developed a trauma due to post-traumatic stress from her agony during her fight with Zaheer and she went almost three years without retraining due to her mental and physical illnesses. They then faced Korra out of shape, untrained, mentally traumatized (she had at least got the poison out) with Kuvira, fresh as a daisy and at the height of her power. It is evident that Kuvira overcame her by far, but even so at the last moment Korra entered the Avatar state and with only two hits already Kuvira was practically knocked down and humiliated (it took quite a while for Kuvira to knock Korra down, as she always got up) and just when Korra was about to finish Kuvira in the Avatar state, booom, the script again puts the Avatar at a disadvantage by using the resource of the psychological trauma she had, and with that they take away the only advantage Korra had in that fight: the Avatar state. Under that premise, Korra loses. But it wasn't for lack of skill or because Korra was a bad teacher, since in the end, a more recovered Korra fights Kuvira and the story is different, Korra overcomes her by a big gap. This last fight is the ONLY big battle where Korra is allowed to fight on equal terms with the villain after Tarlok, and as expected, Korra wins. So ALL those script moves in favor of the villain are there for one reason: to nerf Korra so she loses. Why? Because it's more than proven that she, with her normal physical state and her great abilities, with or without Avatar state, can deal with any villain they put on her. Before opining on what Korra is weak, is a bad Avatar, or was helped by the script, first look at ALL that the script takes away from her, and the disadvantage it puts her at. A Korra in the fullness of her power is not stopped by the very spirit of darkness and chaos.

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Meliza Garay ramos
Meliza Garay ramos

@MattCMG yet

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MattCMG
MattCMG

Put it a lot more eloquently than I ever could. People need to realize that Korra *rarely* ever has a fair fight throughout the series, hence why she loses so much, but its okay because its all in service of her arc.

Vor 19 Tage
Michael Rauch
Michael Rauch

I’m actually writing a Korra fan fiction and this is really helping. It’s making me really appreciate the series more than I did before and definitely making a point of a separation between the two series so thank you

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Michael Rauch
Michael Rauch

@Dagur The deranged As long as you give a good explanation screw them. My character was born win and died in season 2 , The fragment of his essence and Raava Was reborn as a new person giving them the ability to bed two elements kind of as well so abilities or even Korra or any of the avatars don’t have... He is literally a spirit given flash instead of half spirit like the avatar

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Dagur The deranged
Dagur The deranged

Same, I am writing a korra fanfic. I am afraid someone will get offended because my character can bend all earth sub elements. Glass, crystal, earth, sand, metal, lava and molten metal. I am worried someone will seem offended due to how it may contradict the original lores.

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N E M I S I S
N E M I S I S

The only real problem I have with the legend of Korra is Show don't tell.

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Ostry Cień Mgły
Ostry Cień Mgły

fjawilfajwio tlok is so garbage how can youj protect it. lily is righteat and er too. YOU shajfoujld like them, they have good quality reviews *APRIL FOOLS*

Vor 22 Tage
Insta Gram
Insta Gram

People are hating on Korra because shes not white and she has darker skin? Wow they are so racist

Vor 24 Tage
Vikkran
Vikkran

I've seen nobody hated on Korra because of her skin color. Ever since i first saw this video and Matt made that claim i've looked everywhere through videos, forum posts ec.t and i haven't found a single person that hates Korra solely on her skin color alone. I'm not completely denying that these people might exist all be it scepitcal but if he's gonna make that claim he better show some evidence in order for me and others to believe him

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꧁モンキー・D・ルフィ꧂
꧁モンキー・D・ルフィ꧂

Sorry... kinda disagree. In ATLA, their focusing on ONLY ONE villain, but in TLOK, they basically have no main story, and they just make new villains EACH AND EVERY season. Also, making Toph a cop was wrong because she DOESN'T like following rules (These where only about 2 reason) I'm not trying t hate on your video, I agree somewhat. Bolin is precious for starters and Pabu is Momo just not as cute >w

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꧁モンキー・D・ルフィ꧂
꧁モンキー・D・ルフィ꧂

Also they just ignored Suki

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꧁モンキー・D・ルフィ꧂
꧁モンキー・D・ルフィ꧂

@MattCMG I meant there was one main villain that they were focused on the most, Ozai. Yeah you are right but ATLA is better in my opinion

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"In ATLA, their focusing on ONLY ONE villain, but in TLOK, they basically have no main story, and they just make new villains EACH AND EVERY season." Several problems with this sentiment. Firstly, this idea that AtLA only had one villain isn't even true, because it also had seasonal villains, albeit to a much less obvious extent. In season 1 it was Zuko and then Zhao, season 2 was Azula, and season 3 was Ozai. Even if that weren't true, I will *never* understand this idea that having only one villain being inherently better than multiple villains. Neither is automatically better than the other. LoK has an overarching story (a story about Korra's self-discovery, to be specific), it just doesn't have an overarching villain. "Also, making Toph a cop was wrong because she DOESN'T like following rules" I think this is a drastic misunderstanding of Toph's character. It's made incredibly clear throughout AtLA that the reason Toph dislikes authority was because she liked rebelling against her parents, not because she hated rules, which she eventually comes to terms with in "The Runaway". Plus, she was 12 years old in AtLA, so its to be expected that her attitudes towards that would change over time.

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Vodkacokes
Vodkacokes

i watched lily orchards vid and i was like wow lok really sucks then i watched this vid and i was like wow lok doesnt suck bro i am a SHEEP 😭 idk what to think anymore man

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Amy Ryalls
Amy Ryalls

I LOVED the villains in LoK, the fact that they originally had good intentions is so realistic. they thought they were doing the right thing by going this far. They have specific character traits that blew up because they were put in power. that made them villains. it just made so much sense for the plot

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AJ play
AJ play

Even if rava and vatu where not god and satin they still ruin the show because there was blue and orange morality Lily's point was it ruins the blue and orange morality so who's not interpreting someone's point oh I know you

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Vikkran
Vikkran

I don't like rava and vatu either mainly because of that. In Avatar spirits can't be evil. while they can be aggressive but that's usually because something happened that changed the balance within them turning them ''aggresive''. Vaatu however is just straight up evil and bad for no explanation

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Shlok Rai
Shlok Rai

A fellow traveler. nice to see someone else who finds rava and vatu a bad idea.

Vor 27 Tage
michał agapitov
michał agapitov

24:50 this is not the correct way of interpretation first of all, roku says clearly "The Avatar State is a defense mechanism. Designed to empower you with the skill and knowledge of all the past Avatars", in other worlds the purpose of the avatar state itself is linked with the lives of the past avatars and its useless or even non present on its own.I wouldnt argue if he said "the avatar state empowers you........" second, Roku didnt mentioned raava at all, which doesnt make any sense since the avatar state is according to your theory, a power booster on its own at the first place, and knowledge from the previous avatars at the second, even if u didnt said that, this logic of the sequence, the fact that raava was present before all the avatars were born and u dont need any other avatar to enter the avatar state. fourth: kataras mention about an avatar spirit refers to the original pre-korra definition of it, as the spirit of the planet, and not "raava", which u can find on avatarspirit net third, the suggestion that aang knew about raava but heard of her/it(whatever gender raava is)off screen is an excuse from the same category as my dog ate my homework. 36:00 metalbending is OP for multiple reasons, toph discovered it because she was blind, thats why she was a good earthbender, she saw things in a different way, things others couldnt see, its also kinda unfair in terms of power balancing between the 4 elements when metalbenders pop up everywhere.Same with lightning, it was ok to show a few more benders doing it, but using it for energy production was a step too far.Bloodbending was discovered under extreme conditions which experienced hama, and since she didnt teach the teqnique anybody except katara there is no reason to showing more ppl doing it. 42:00 the problem with the MMA stuff is that it referst to the MMA from our world, look at korra, she uses a boxing style guard and box is not an asian martial art, asian martial arts never used this kind of stance or guard. 43:28 eastern philosophy and korra....at that point i suggest you to read "the inescapable whiteness of the legend of korra" written actually by an real asian.And to claim that 1920 hongkong has something to do with asian culture is the same as to say mcdonalds is asian food because there are McD restaurants in asia.But overall, the main problem is still that to tell the avatar story, the modern era isnt a good idea just because it dont fit into the context of the 4 elements at all, they have all the technology but they have no handguns... 47:56 the fact that the avatar is a reincarnation speaks more agains her "direct opposite personality" than for the reason she could bend 3 elements without training, which is more logical to me cuz ppl get their personality traits inherit and not trained talents like juggling.Anyway, instead to nerf bending with the "deal with it" scene to show her as the opposite to aang, they should invest time in her writing. 51:13 speaking about double standarts, its good to remind that korra taking responsibility as a sequel, have to deal with comparision, u cant just decorate a show with avatar but if something goes wrong say hey, its a show on its own.And they made it permanently with references and flashbacks.A sequel should absolutely not tell the same story with same characters but going like lets do everything the opposite doesnt work either.To make it short, korra made the wrong different/same things as a sequel should, and thats why so much hate. 1:02:00 ERs humor fits perfectly to review korra, not just the quality dropped overall since atla, they tried to cover that up with "improving" the show with toilet humor like fart in face jokes, good job ER, a very deserved critic. 1:05 korra is more a kids show than avatar for one simply reason, the characters in avatar are written like adults, besides the dialogues of course, the arcs themselves could have been easly taken for adult characters in any show, in korra they are just teenagers that never experienced live changing situations before.

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Shlok Rai
Shlok Rai

@michał agapitov Finally someone else that question Bryke. I finally met another person that understands the bad writing in the origin story and how Bryke makes things up as they go.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"so why would roku say thats the connection if its not accociatet with it?only raava is responsible for that." Because Raava *is* the past lives (not literally but you know what I mean). If she's glowing, they're glowing. "leting out raava in his speech and talking of other things are the unnecessarily details u complained about." What is so hard to understand about this? Knowing about the past lives is *essential* information in this context. Roku told Aang exactly what he needed to know in order to use the Avatar state responsibly. Raava is not essential in that discussion. All Aang needed to know what "don't die or we all die and you don't get reborn", adding Raava to that equation just unnecessarily complicates things. Knowing about Raava or not does not change Aang's understanding of the situation. "thats another level of far feching" HOW IS THIS FAR FETCHED? ITS *LITERALLY* IN THE FUCKING SHOW! THEY STRAIGHT UP *SAY* THIS! "the third avatar series could make something like the avatar giving his "avatarness" to another person cuz hey nobody ever said its not possible in atla and tlok" If that explanation doesn't contradict anything, then yeah that'd be completely valid. This applies to every fictional universe: if they don't outright say "this cannot happen", then that thing is fair game to happen. "i really dont give anything about what creators have to say" You should care, because they decide what's canon. Doesn't mean you have to like it, but are you really gonna take the word of some fansite over the people who *made* the show? "like "forgett what u saw in the sieries, thats not true", they should explain much as possible on screen." Well considering the Spirit of the Planet was *never in the series* at all in any capacity, then this rule shouldn't really matter now.

Vor 27 Tage
michał agapitov
michał agapitov

@MattCMG "THAT'S MY POINT! Raava will glow whether its the Avatar state or connecting with the past lives, but that doesn't make what Roku said any less true. If you're connecting with your past lives, you're doing so through Raava." so why would roku say thats the connection if its not accociatet with it?only raava is responsible for that. "I love how you're so intent on Roku's explanation scene yet completely disregarded the part where he explains that dying in the Avatar state ends the cycle. If Wan had died in the Avatar state, there wouldn't be an Avatar anymore." so anyway, leting out raava in his speech and talking of other things are the unnecessarily details u complained about. "You're leaving out the context, because the whole point of season 2 was that Korra rebooted the Avatar cycle. All of the past Avatars are gone forever after Raava was ripped out of Korra and destroyed. She stopped being the Avatar in that instance. But she re-fuses with Raava, making her the Avatar yet again. She's the last Avatar of the first cycle, and the first Avatar of this new cycle. This is all made pretty obvious. " thats another level of far feching, u can literarly interpretate everything u want it this way, the third avatar series could make something like the avatar giving his "avatarness" to another person cuz hey nobody ever said its not possible in atla and tlok, thats just stupid. "Kinda, yeah. Obviously we can't directly ask Bryke, but there are plenty of first-hand sources where they directly explain shit and answer fan questions. The Spirit of the Planet never being canon came directly from Bryke, therefore anything else is meaningless. Fan sites and Nickelodeon don't determine what's canon, Bryke do." i really dont give anything about what creators have to say like "forgett what u saw in the sieries, thats not true", they should explain much as possible on screen.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"Just because raava might combine the past lives its irrelevant in the context of your theory, because the glowing is raava and raava glows with and without the past lives." THAT'S MY POINT! Raava will glow whether its the Avatar state or connecting with the past lives, but that doesn't make what Roku said any less true. If you're connecting with your past lives, you're doing so through Raava. "So, if wan would be killed as the first avatar, he would be reborn anyway because there were no "past lives" that could be killed with him?" I love how you're so intent on Roku's explanation scene yet completely disregarded the part where he explains that dying in the Avatar state ends the cycle. If Wan had died in the Avatar state, there wouldn't be an Avatar anymore. "This is not true, in korra all the avatars were destroyed without any impact on the fact that the avatar is reincarnaited, or was korra the last avatar known to exist?" You're leaving out the context, because the whole point of season 2 was that Korra rebooted the Avatar cycle. All of the past Avatars are gone forever after Raava was ripped out of Korra and destroyed. She stopped being the Avatar in that instance. But she re-fuses with Raava, making her the Avatar yet again. She's the last Avatar of the first cycle, and the first Avatar of this new cycle. This is all made pretty obvious. "Or its just that i cant really trust any website at all and have to ask bryke directly about something?" Kinda, yeah. Obviously we can't directly ask Bryke, but there are plenty of first-hand sources where they *directly* explain shit and answer fan questions. The Spirit of the Planet never being canon came directly from Bryke, therefore anything else is meaningless. Fan sites and Nickelodeon don't determine what's canon, Bryke do. "retcons are more accepted if a sequel was generally better than the original" This is part of the misunderstanding most people have. A retcon being good or bad doesn't depend on the overall quality of the story. Midichlorians ultimately don't change anything, but people hate them because they were in movies people hated. People don't care how much sense a retcon makes, if they don't like the whole movie they'll hate the retcon by proxy. A retcon can make perfect sense (as most of LoK's do) but people hate them because they hate the show for reasons unrelated to said retcon.

Vor 27 Tage
michał agapitov
michał agapitov

@MattCMG "That's not an excuse, it's literally what happened. Leaving out information (especially irrelevant information) is not a lie. If Roku had told Aang that the Avatar state lets him talk to fucking dinosaurs or some shit, that would be a lie." Again, interpretation, you can do it this way if u want, but it makes roku look kinda dumb, same as with the example i made if someone explains u how to use a weapon.Here is the trigger, have fun. "That was until LoK came along and more or less confirmed what was meant." sure, i believe it..... "Why wouldn't he? He's got the big ass light carpet living with him" because roku said, the glowing is the combination of the past avatars.Just because raava might combine the past lives its irrelevant in the context of your theory, because the glowing is raava and raava glows with and without the past lives. "Aang didn't need to know where all of his power comes from, he needed to know that that power existed in the first place so as to not misuse it." So, if wan would be killed as the first avatar, he would be reborn anyway because there were no "past lives" that could be killed with him? "The past lives were so heavily focused in this speech because the whole point was to warn Aang that if he misuses this power and fucks up, all of these other Avatars die too." This is not true, in korra all the avatars were destroyed without any impact on the fact that the avatar is reincarnaited, or was korra the last avatar known to exist? "The spirit of the planet was never canon and was never planned to be canon. Can't retcon what was never canon to begin with." Its funny how something that is not canon was removed from avatar fandom com and replaced by something that suddenly became the onlyone thruth, if information can be manipulated like this all the fan sites should be shout down for missleading ppl, who knows what will became the new onlyone thrue version of anything after the third avatar series aired.Or its just that i cant really trust any website at all and have to ask bryke directly about something? "retcons are inherently a bad thing" well, most ppl agree that retcons are bad, these are the facts, also retcons are more accepted if a sequel was generally better than the original which is in the case of korra just absurd.

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Shlok Rai
Shlok Rai

Hi, I don't know if you will see this but I want to respond on the plotholes. There are plotholes more to do with the bending and origin story. Also, LOK has many other writing issues. In the first avatar show, it was implied that the avatar is the reincarnation of the spirit of the planet. This was also backed up by the original avatar website before they rewrote it. The other thing is the lion turtle does not give the ability to bend they help you bend your energy, but you could learn by yourself to bend your energy from that point on until you translated that bending to an actual element. There are some videos from E;R that explains it. The main issues with the show's origin and avatar still exist and you have not unproven them. Another thing is Avatar's definition is the manifestation of a deity or soul in bodily form. It does not mean a spirit attaches itself to your soul and carries the memories of other souls. By that nature, the origin is flawed, because won was not reincarnated. instead by the show's origin story won memories were stored by the spirit that then goes attaches itself to another soul.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"And my point is to bend the elements you do not need to learn from animals to be proficient with them because there is nothing stating you can't create your own martial arts." What part of my comment did you not understand? What part of "you can't just make up a martial art" do you not understand? "The inspiration of boxing came from the fact that fists take less time to throw at each other" Boxing, like any other fighting style, was not invented in a vacuum. It was developed by taking inspiration from multiple sources, in this case using the physics of the human body and the philosophy of *other fighting styles* the emphasized efficiency and maximum power output. "What do you mean they didn't need another method of self-protection." Because its explicitly stated in Beginnings that the people living on Wan's Lion Turtle *didn't know that other Lion Turtles existed.* They thought they were the only people around, so there was no threat of war or conflict where they would need to develop combat styles like that. "They were being threatened by the spirits and animals around them that's why they hid away on the lion turtles." This is *precisely* why they didn't have any kind of rigid fighting style! They hid away on the Lion Turtles with the sole intent of *avoiding conflict* with the spirits. Humans and spirits at the time operated on an unspoken basis of "if you don't fuck with us we won't fuck with you", so as separated as they lived and as much as they didn't like each other, they had no reason to prepare for any kind of attack. "I have said already once the people that have mastered the elements could use it at will. Wan hasn't done anything but punch and the element came out." YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A MASTER TO PERFORM INCREDIBLY BASIC ATTACKS! What part of that is so hard to understand? "For katara, she had been practicing for years, and then only did her emotions have to affect on her bending." Katara's emotions affected her bending specifically *because* she had no training and no guided practice, not the other way around... "For the point about what else Korra has to fear losing Mako. There is still grief in that point. She loves him just like how aang loved katara but aang but away the grief and meditated on it. There was no indication the grief was gone from her. She was in a state of emotional suffering." Do you know what grief even means, specifically in this context? It's lamenting the *loss* of something. You can't pre-emptively grieve for something you haven't yet lost, hence why Korra wouldn't have been grieving for Mako, because she hadn't lost him yet. She was in a state of emotional suffering, yes, but because she had lost her bending (you know, that thing she based her entire identity around since she was a child). *That* was the source of her grief. "Another part about the airbending is that she had no spiritual concept shown at that moment. That whole season tenzien said that you need to be spiritual and patient to bend air you must learn those lessons and practice the martial art." Literally incorrect. For the majority of the season, Korra struggles with spirituality, specifically with connecting to her past lives. She does *exactly this* in the episode "Out of the Past" where she connects with Aang for the first time. We literally *see* her gradually become more spiritual, something that she needed to be patient for. "And it is not established that Korra mental block also translates to Amon not being able to block it. If thats true then once Amon was defeted she had nothing to fear and could bend water again, but she couldn't, she had nothing to be shameful of so she can bend fire again, but she couldn't until aang gave that power back to her. It is inconsistent with your explanation because these mental blocks of fear should be gone." I can't believe I have to fucking explain something so goddamn simple. Korra's mental block is explicitly stated to be blocking her *airbending only.* Korra tells Tenzin, "I've memorized nearly all of the practice forms, but I still can't produce a single measly puff of air!" to which Tenzin responds, "You just need to work through this airbending block." It was already blocked for an internal, spiritual reason. Amon was able to block the other elements because they *weren't* blocked. The difference is that Amon blocks bending *physically,* while Korra's airbending was blocked *spiritually,* hence why her water, earth, and fire were permanently blocked (until _that_ scene happens) but her air wasn't. She had not unlocked air yet, so it could not have been physically blocked. I can't stress this enough: *you can't block what's already blocked.* "Aang was looking to repopulate the airbenders and so I am sure he at least tried to find that in himself." He can ask other Avatars, but he can't comb through his past lives to find one specific answer. He can't, like, CTRL+F his past lives memories to find a specific piece of information, he'd have to ask each individual Avatar for an answer to a problem that is *so specific* to him. Even if he had the time to ask each individual Avatar, the chances of him even getting to Wan are pretty low. In "The Old Masters", Aang states "I need to look deep inside myself." and this was just to find Kuruk, only 3 Avatars ago. If it took that much effort for an Avatar *that* recent and one that he didn't know, then it seems highly unlikely that he'd be able to find Wan, *especially* if he doesn't know who he's looking for. "What did ATLA say that pointed towards people get power to bend randomly through spirits nothing? It was LOK that made this up." AtLA didn't say that *wasn't* possible, therefore LoK making this up is completely okay because it contradicts *nothing.* You can't break a rule that was never set to begin with. "the speculation is how the spirits work and how they give people airbending" The spirits didn't do shit. Harmonic Convergence did. This is not speculation, it is *directly* stated in the show. At least pretend like you've watched ti. "In LOK the power of bending is given it is not taught. while in ATLA it is taught not given." People are born benders. Their access to the ability, whether it was at birth or through spiritual means, is *not* the thing that needs to be taught. The fighting style is. "The one-time bending is given is energy bending by the sea turtle and that is it." And this scene alone proves that Lion Turtles can, in fact, give people bending. LoK changes nothing here. "Lion turtles are essential to the world of avatar and yet the explanation is horrible and where they were for many years." This isn't *my* explanation, it's the show's explanation. They literally say, "the Lion Turtles dipped, we don't know where they wen". In a world where impossible shit happens every day, this is the least of your problems. "Another thing is that no kid that had the ability and birth was able to bend until they practiced the martial arts." This is wrong. Prime example: Katara. She is able to waterbend at an incredibly basic level despite explicitly stating that she has never had any form of proper training and no knowledge of martial arts. "Did you miss my point. the turtle can give the ability to airbend. By LOK logic it can repopulate the whole airbending nation." My dude, did you seriously disregard the first half of that argument. THAT THE LION TURTLES ARE SO EXTRMELEY RARE THAT THERE'S NO WAY TO RELIABLY FIND THEM! It doesn't matter who you are, the chances of finding a Lion Turtle, let alone the specific one that grants air, are so incredibly slim that it wouldn't be worth anybody's time to go out and search for one. "Also, Sea turtles are a huge part of history for the avatar world and so their location and existence is something important that had to be either documented or remembered by the avatars." Firstly, why the fuck do you keep calling them "sea turtles"? They're Lion Turtles. Getting such basic information wrong leads me to believe that you haven't actually seen either show. But regardless, nobody knows the location of the Lion Turtles. The whole point of them leaving back in Wan's time was that they didn't want to be found. Therefore, nobody knows where they are, and that's assuming they are even stationary, since the one Aang meets clearly travels around which might imply that the rest of them do too. "Lion turtles are not some unknown species in Aangs time and so I am pretty sure he would have asked if could you give the ability to bend to people." After the Hundred Year War people know they exist because Aang told everyone. This doesn't change the fact that Lion Turtles are near to impossible to come across. Like, if we found out that bigfoot or some shit was 100% real, that wouldn't change the fact that it's still incredibly rare. "The whole world said this for many years and it only changed now." No they didn't. There are only two instances in all of AtLA where characters say where each nation developed their martial arts were in season 1 when Yue mentions the moon and in season 3 when Aang, Toph, and Zuko mention the other three (all in the same episode). It's never mentioned to be like common knowledge, but even if it were, common knowledge can often be misguided. "Both pieces of information came from the same time period and the same length and yet you say one got meddled up while the other is less significant thing was remembered. HOW. Don't you think that is the very important thing?" Because dragons, badgermoles, etc had physical evidence of them existing. Lion Turtles didn't until Aang. It's easier to believe shit you actually see (like people learning from the animals) than stuff that has no indication of ever existing (the missing Lion Turtles).

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Shlok Rai
Shlok Rai

​@MattCMG "My point was that one does not just "make up" a martial art, they're all based on something that already exists. You brought up Jui Jistu, when that was created as a derivative of Judo, which itself was based on the idea of "the path of least resistance" in a combat context. It wasn't just "made up" it was developed by observing something else. In the case of the Avatar world, this is shown to be the animals." And my point is to bend the elements you do not need to learn from animals to be proficient with them because there is nothing stating you can't create your own martial arts. The inspiration of boxing came from the fact that fists take less time to throw at each other and so you can use the element in that faction as well according to LOK. "Well they didn't. You know why? Because they didn't need it. Their only use for fire at the time was to hunt and kill animals. They had no need to create a martial art because they wouldn't be fighting other people." What do you mean they didn't need another method of self-protection. You know martial arts can be used to fight animals right with weapons, and for them, the weapon is bending. When you want to make a shield or barrier the earth and water bending should have a move for that and the benders should know it as a self-defense method. They were being threatened by the spirits and animals around them that's why they hid away on the lion turtles. Don't you think for the many years they were on the turtles they would think how do I bend these flames to my will furthermore? Won couldn't have been the first one to think of that. "Holy fuck this was in AtLA too. Characters would frequently bend their respective elements without necessarily going through all the traditional motions, both in and out of combat. Toph would punch walls and crack them. Zuko would used his fingers to shoot tiny sparks of fire. Aang would wave his hand to guide the wind." As I stated in my earlier arguments these three examples are from benders who have a mastery over that element. I have said already once the people that have mastered the elements could use it at will. Wan hasn't done anything but punch and the element came out. For katara, she had been practicing for years, and then only did her emotions have to affect on her bending. This is a misunderstanding of how chakras work. It's entirely possible to unlock a chakra without realizing it. You don't need to consciously sit down and meditate to unlock them. This was the case with Aang, where he had no trouble with the fire chakra because he had already come to terms with it, he had already dealt with his shame. He had unlocked it without knowing it (hence the anti-climactic nature of the scene). If Aang can do that then it's entirely reasonable for Korra to do the same. It's established that Korra is facing a mental block that prevents her from airbending. She hadn't "unlocked" it yet at that point. Amon couldn't block it because it was already blocked." For the point about what else Korra has to fear losing Mako. There is still grief in that point. She loves him just like how aang loved katara but aang but away the grief and meditated on it. There was no indication the grief was gone from her. She was in a state of emotional suffering. What would have shown that she overcame this grief is a state of balance. Another part about the airbending is that she had no spiritual concept shown at that moment. That whole season tenzien said that you need to be spiritual and patient to bend air you must learn those lessons and practice the martial art. At that moment Korra only punched. There is no transparent or translucent realising for it. And it is not established that Korra mental block also translates to Amon not being able to block it. If thats true then once Amon was defeted she had nothing to fear and could bend water again, but she couldn't, she had nothing to be shameful of so she can bend fire again, but she couldn't until aang gave that power back to her. It is inconsistent with your explanation because these mental blocks of fear should be gone. "He probably would have wanted it for sure, but being able to get that information is a completely different story. What other Avatar has dealt with a situation like brining back an entire nation? Sure, Wan might, but how would Aang know to specifically look for Wan? How would he know that Wan even dealt with Lion Turtles in the first place?" Inside him. didn't you say earlier "Like I said earlier, the current Avatar can get this knowledge only if they choose to. It's not like the current Avatar has a fucking Winter Solider episode or some shit where they suddenly remember hundreds of past lives at once. We know that's not how it works, at least as far as memories go. " Aang was looking to repopulate the airbenders and so I am sure he at least tried to find that in himself. "If by "speculation" you mean shit that both shows literally tell us, then sure." What did ATLA say that pointed towards people get power to bend randomly through spirits nothing? It was LOK that made this up. It invalidated how airbending is taught. the speculation is how the spirits work and how they give people airbending and what is the requirement people must-have. It could be random you don't know and me either and that what I hate. It is a bad mystery. "We've already established that this is not fucking true. People are born every fucking day in the Avatar world with the ability to bend, not having trained a day in their lives. If you want to be proficient in that element, then yes, you would need to learn a martial art. To just have the ability and the basic knowledge to bend does not require this." In LOK the power of bending is given it is not taught. while in ATLA it is taught not given. The one-time bending is given is energy bending by the sea turtle and that is it. Lion turtles are essential to the world of avatar and yet the explanation is horrible and where they were for many years. Another thing is that no kid that had the ability and birth was able to bend until they practiced the martial arts. it's as if practicing martial art was a way of bending the energy inside a person to bend it outside and only when proficient others were able to bend. "Okay, so even if Wan told Aang about the origins of the Avatar and the Lion Turtles and all that shit, your suggestion here still makes no fucking sense. Do you think the Avatar can just summon a Lion Turtle at will or something? By Aang's time, Lion Turtles are spread pretty thin to the point where people don't even know they exist. Aang only found one by complete coincidence. And secondly, even if Aang had a reliable way to find a Lion Turtle, what would they even do? As the Avatar, Aang already has to ability to bend each element. It's something he already has as an intrinsic trait. A Lion Turtle can't give him something he already has." Did you miss my point. the turtle can give the ability to airbend. By LOK logic it can repopulate the whole airbending nation. Also, Sea turtles are a huge part of history for the avatar world and so their location and existence is something important that had to be either documented or remembered by the avatars. Lion turtles are not some unknown species in Aangs time and so I am pretty sure he would have asked if could you give the ability to bend to people. "No other Avatar says this. It's mentioned by Yue and later Toph, Aang, and Zuko, but never a previous Avatar." The whole world said this for many years and it only changed now. Another thing is that Wan learned to be proficient in bending from the animals 10,000 years ago so how was that forgotten when all the other people learned from and remember that lion turtles gave them the problem. There should be statues and building for lion turtles like there are for air bison, dragons, and earth moles. That is another inconsistency. Both pieces of information came from the same time period and the same length and yet you say one got meddled up while the other is less significant thing was remembered. HOW. Don't you think that is the very important thing? There is no explanation for it. The information about animals came out transparent for 10,000 years, but lion turtles didn't that is the retcon even though arguably the Lion turtle is more important than the animals.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"And you disregard the fact that a lot of other martial arts do not take inspiration from animals." Way to take what I said literally. Obviously not *every* real life martial art was based on animals (though many are, such as the "Five Animals" in Chinese Kung Fu). My point was that one does not just "make up" a martial art, they're all based on something that already exists. You brought up Jui Jistu, when that was created as a derivative of Judo, which itself was based on the idea of "the path of least resistance" in a combat context. It wasn't just "made up" it was developed by observing something else. In the case of the Avatar world, this is shown to be the animals. "To bend the element you do not need to learn martial arts from animals by LOK logic." Holy fuck this was in AtLA too. Characters would *frequently* bend their respective elements without necessarily going through all the traditional motions, both in and out of combat. Toph would punch walls and crack them. Zuko would used his fingers to shoot tiny sparks of fire. Aang would wave his hand to guide the wind. "If a simple punch and wave of your hand can bend flames I think they would have thought of martial arts to protect themselves in the wilderness, it is logic." Well they didn't. You know why? Because they didn't need it. Their *only* use for fire at the time was to hunt and kill animals. They had no need to create a martial art because they wouldn't be fighting other people. "Once again this is not shown in AtlA emotions are connected to your bending once you have learned the basics of it." Korra did know the basics tho... This is *well* established in the first season... "It makes sense in the LOK world because the spirit gave it to her because she was sad" I like how you claim I'm "just making up theories" when I tell you shit that's literally *in the show* and you come back with this bullshit. Literally no evidence to this at all. "If you want to go on towards chakra to open each pool of chakra you need to let go and accept, this explained in the guru episode. All those ways of opening your chakras completely contradict the idea of being emotional." This is a misunderstanding of how chakras work. It's entirely possible to unlock a chakra without realizing it. You don't need to consciously sit down and meditate to unlock them. This was the case with Aang, where he had no trouble with the fire chakra because he had already come to terms with it, he had already dealt with his shame. He had unlocked it without knowing it (hence the anti-climactic nature of the scene). If Aang can do that then its entirely reasonable for Korra to do the same. "You can't be forceful with chakra that is explained in that episode." But she didn't force it. It happened on its own. "She was still in a state of fear and grief and there is nothing that indicates she wasn't she was still panicking, her love didn't show there at all." Did you, like, even watch the show? Korra was in love with Mako at the time. She acted to save someone she loved in spite of the immense grief she was facing at that moment. "On the idea of losing her fear of Amon she was still afraid of him until the air went out and she learned she could fight back." Something that season 1 establishes very clearly is that Korra fears Amon, but more specifically he fears losing her bending. After that very thing happens, what more did she have to be afraid of? Her greatest fears had been realized, so she no longer had anything to fear, nothing left to lose. "Also When Amon took away her bending it should have also been air, but you are going to say well he didn't bend air Amon didn't know how to do that, but the way Amon took away bending has always been consistent that it is gone for good. That is what was stated." It's established that Korra is facing a mental block that prevents her from airbending. She hadn't "unlocked" it yet at that point. Amon couldn't block it because it was already blocked. "remember that the Guru states that you must give up all worldly attachments to control the avatar state and none of the avatars have. Kyoshi doesn't, Roku, aang, and Korra don't as well." Again, a complete misunderstanding of the scene. The Guru told Aang that he must give up his earthly attachments to *unlock the Thought Chakra,* not the Avatar state. The thought chakra deals with pure cosmic energy and is blocked by earthly attachments. Even after having the chakra blocked when he got shot by Azula, he was still able to use the Avatar state *without* unlocking the chakra again. "I think it would help aang with earthbending when he doesn't need to learn through martial arts. He could just get the power immediately finding the lion turtles for fire water and earth bending. This is valuable information that was needed for aang to lean bending faster, but it wasn't mentioned at all." Okay, so even if Wan told Aang about the origins of the Avatar and the Lion Turtles and all that shit, your suggestion here still makes no fucking sense. Do you think the Avatar can just summon a Lion Turtle at will or something? By Aang's time, Lion Turtles are spread pretty thin to the point where people don't even know they exist. Aang only found one by complete coincidence. And secondly, even *if* Aang had a reliable way to find a Lion Turtle, what would they even do? As the Avatar, Aang already has to ability to bend each element. It's something he already has as an intrinsic trait. A Lion Turtle can't give him something he already has. "My other thing is every avatar before that stated that the origin of bending was learning from the animals." No other Avatar says this. It's mentioned by Yue and later Toph, Aang, and Zuko, but never a previous Avatar. "Don't you think Wan should have told aang that hey you could make all of the non- benders into air benders through the sea turtles don't you think aang would have thought of this." See above dude. Why would Aang try this when he wouldn't be able to reliably find a Lion Turtle, let alone the specific one that grants air? "Don't you think aang would have wanted it this knowledge to I don't know repopulate the airbenders." He probably would have wanted it for sure, but being able to get that information is a completely different story. What other Avatar has dealt with a situation like brining back an entire nation? Sure, Wan *might,* but how would Aang know to specifically look for Wan? How would he know that Wan even dealt with Lion Turtles in the first place? "Once again that was only energy bending and it was never mentioned after that point or in the first season of korra." That's your defense here? "Oh AtLA only shows energybending so there's no possible way there are Lion Turtles for the other elements." That's a terrible argument. "It does by completely undermining the idea to bend an element you need to practice a martial art." We've already established that this is not fucking true. People are born every fucking day in the Avatar world with the ability to bend, not having trained a day in their lives. If you want to be *proficient* in that element, then yes, you would need to learn the martial art. To just have the ability and the basic knowledge to bend does not require this. "It creates new rules to repopulate a genocided culture." It creates *new* rules, but they don't contradict any old ones. "Mastering the avatar state is to have full control over it and use it whenever they want and they couldn't do both when. When showing mastery of elements in the avatar state is what you are thinking of." This is *directly* shown. Mastery of the Avatar state is visually indicated by the eyes glowing for a second before going back to normal. We see Yangchen, Kuruk, Kyoshi, and an unnamed fire nation Avatar do this in Roku's Avatar state explanation. We see Roku do this in his flashback episode, several times in fact. "In Kyoshi story how she describes it she never can truly control it." You're referring to the Kyoshi novels, correct? She's still in training in those novels, so they take place *before* she learned to master the Avatar state. "I refuse to accept your speculation on how spirits work because I would think aang would search for years the same type of knowledge to repopulate the airbenders." If by "speculation" you mean shit that both shows literally *tell* us, then sure. "Was that punch an airbender move. She didn't practice it then she took a leap of faith out of complete fear," Dude, watch the show for the love of god. If you did, you wouldn't be getting basic information completely wrong. We see Korra has learned airbending techniques throughout the season, such as in the 2nd episode where she uses it during the pro-bending match, and a few episode later where we see her practicing. By your own logic, she should be able to airbend because she knows the martial art. "My point was that when the air nomads learned how to air bend they didn't have that ability with a wave of their hand to send out a gust of air. They had to learn slowly to control more and more air till they could bend that much, while these people just with a wave of their hand did that." The new airbenders had no control over their airbending. That's literally the reason why Tenzin wants to train them. What's so hard to understand about this? This is established in the first episode of season 3. If you woke up one day with a crazy new ability you've never seen before, I'm sure you wouldn't know how to control it, you'd want to get some kind of training. "the power with a wave of your hand to send out air don't you think that it is important to hone that especially when every day they had to go out to get food and resources for the village to survive." Yes, that's a skill that's important to hone, and that's what the hunters did. They obviously honed that skill just enough so that they could use it to hunt, but not far enough to where they'd be using it for combat.

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Shlok Rai
Shlok Rai

@MattCMG "THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION! THESE PEOPLE GAINED THEIR BENDING AS ADULTS, THERE WAS NO POSSIBLE WAY THEY COULD HAVE BEEN TRAINED AS KIDS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT THEN! THAT'S WHY TENZIN WAS TRAINING THEM: TO MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME!" My point was that when the air nomads learned how to air bend they didn't have that ability with a wave of their hand to send out a gust of air. They had to learn slowly to control more and more air till they could bend that much, while these people just with a wave of their hand did that. They didn't have an option because the writers forced this completely new concept onto them. "Find it "hard to believe" all you want, they directly insinuate that they had no concept of using fire in any kind of combat scenario." Once again this is a sign of bad writing when you make an origin story it must a just explanation, but it doesn't the power with a wave of your hand to send out air don't you think that it is important to hone that especially when every day they had to go out to get food and resources for the village to survive. "This is the theme of LoK season 2 as well. Korra herself even says at the end of the season "I've realized that even though we should learn from those who came before us, we must also forge our own path." If that's not learning from the past, I don't know what is." Did you miss my whole point? My point was that the knowledge of Rava and vaatu is essential to understand the spirit world and its connection to it and so every avatar should know of this story. Want to know why because it makes them learn of the conflicts of spirits and real-world and could help fix problems. Why are we taught about war and conflict in this world? to learn from the past and not repeat those mistakes and that some solutions in the past can be used for the future.

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Shlok Rai
Shlok Rai

@MattCMG "THEY WOULDN'T HAVE CREATED THOSE MARTIAL ARTS IF NOT FOR THE ANIMALS! You don't just wake up one day and say "I think I might develop a martial art" because that shit doesn't just come out of nowhere, you have to base your movement on something. If you look into many real world martial arts many of them are the same as the bending disciplines: they were developed by watching the ways in which animals do things, hence why a lot of them are named after animals (i.e Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu)." And you disregard the fact that a lot of other martial arts do not take inspiration from animals. Many of them came from years of practice and need for animal inspiration like Taekkyeon, then there is also boxing, jui Jitsu, and many more. To bend the element you do not need to learn martial arts from animals by LOK logic. If a simple punch and wave of your hand can bend flames I think they would have thought of martial arts to protect themselves in the wilderness, it is logic. Humanity didn't need animal inspiration for many martial arts and so that works the same way in LOK because once again there is nothing stating hindrance of ability or bending if you use different martial arts for bending. Furthermore it would make more sense that ""My point still stands because of how there were coherent ways history could have been passed down from that time period. One way is the avatar, the other is a library, the other is through legends and prophecies, and last documentation." Dude, you literally disregarded everything that I just said. I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation for how people seeing all this documentation would think its just a legend, and you just said "yeah but they have documents tho"." There is still the avatar who had a coherent way of learning the bending elements and once again the spirit library which also was recently accessed before aang went there. "I could GO OFF about all the deeper shit in this scene that everyone disregards, but I'd max out the character limit. The short version: the air chakra deals with love but is blocked by grief. Korra overcame the grief of losing her bending by saving someone she loved. Combine this with overcoming her fear of Amon, and some other stuff, and it makes total sense why she'd airbend here." Once again this is not shown in AtlA emotions are connected to your bending once you have learned the basics of it. Zuko only could bend fire when he practiced it with the martial art related to it. In ATLA it was made clear that you need the martial arts first then you can these movements relate to it. Now with all your sounding off, there is not direct truth for this. This is all theory. This theory completely goes against the practice. And on going off on the deeper implications of chakra this is all speculation, it makes no sense how someone's spirituality is unlocked when their friend is in danger and they haven't practiced the martial art. It makes sense in the LOK world because the spirit gave it to her because she was sad, but what makes more sense is she goes into avatar state. If you want to go on towards chakra to open each pool of chakra you need to let go and accept, this explained in the guru episode. All those ways of opening your chakras completely contradict the idea of being emotional. The idea of opening your 7 pools of chakra is to let go of your emotions and learn to accept, neutraility. You can't be forceful with chakra that is explained in that episode. I don't think Korra at that moment opened a chakra, especially because of how emotional she was. It makes no sense. She was still in a state of fear and grief and there is nothing that indicates she wasn't she was still panicking, her love didn't show there at all. On the idea of losing her fear of Amon she was still afraid of him until the air went out and she learned she could fight back. Those emotions you state she overcomes are completely subjective. If at the end of that episode that made it clear she opened her chakra or mentioned I would give it to you, but there is no indication. Also When Amon took away her bending it should have also been air, but you are going to say well he didn't bend air Amon didn't know how to do that, but the way Amon took away bending has always been consistent that it is gone for good. That is what was stated. If you are also going to bring up the chakras as well remember that the Guru states that you must give up all worldly attachments to control the avatar state and none of the avatars have. Kyoshi doesn't, Roku, aang, and Korra don't as well. Also, each pool of energy is connected to each other and if Korra couldn't pass through the first pool of fear of Amon how could she pass all the way to the roadblock of grief. "This is not a plot hole. Each Avatar only passes down their own experiences, and only when they are asked to. This is evidenced by Yangchen, Kuruk, Kyoshi, and Roku, who only ever told stories from their lives, not the loves of other Avatars. No Avatar in a long time had spoken to Wan, therefore his story would not be known many years down the line. It's not the job of the past lives to tell the current Avatar every tiny detail about every single Avatar. Hell, the past lives aren't really obligated to do anything, they're just an option that the current Avatar has and can choose not to use." Once again the origin of the avatar is an important thing I think every avatar needs to know when taking into account the story correctly, and so if every avatar should tell their story to the other why didn't wan to tell this to aang. I think it would help aang with earthbending when he doesn't need to learn through martial arts. He could just get the power immediately finding the lion turtles for fire water and earth bending. This is valuable information that was needed for aang to lean bending faster, but it wasn't mentioned at all. That's a plot hole When the avatar. My other thing is every avatar before that stated that the origin of bending was learning from the animals. "That's the thing though, it isn't erased. Aang's identity was still shaped by the loss of his people. More airbenders emerging long after his death doesn't change that." Aang's character is still made from that large plot point but that whole damage has just been reversed for convince sake. Also to repopulate the airbender and give those non-benders that followed aang into the air temple tribe don't you think it would make sense if more of them got the power as they were more spiritually inclined. Don't you think Wan should have told aang that hey you could make all of the non- benders into air benders through the sea turtles don't you think aang would have thought of this. This leaves more questions as to why didn't aang repopulate the airbenders when he obsessed over tenzien being the only other air bender which resulted in him ignoring his other children. "Like I said earlier, the current Avatar can get this knowledge only if they choose to. It's not like the current Avatar has a fucking Winter Solider episode or some shit where they suddenly remember hundreds of past lives at once. We know that's not how it works, at least as far as memories go. " Don't you think aang would have wanted it this knowledge to I don't know repopulate the airbenders. I would think so what about you. Wasn't that a whole point of aang after the war why he treasured tenzien more than his other kids. I would think aang would have meditated and tey to find ways from the past avatar on how he could make bumi airbend. "That's the thing though, LoK never makes up rules. For example, AtLA established that Lion Turtles can give people bending, LoK expanded upon that." Once again that was only energy bending and it was never mentioned after that point or in the first season of korra. "How many times do I need to prove this to you? LoK doesn't change any of AtLA's lore." It does by completely undermining the idea to bend an element you need to practice a martial art. It creates new rules to repopulate a genocided culture. "Uhhhh... what? OF COURSE THEY MASTERED IT! THEY WERE FULLY REALIZED AVATARS! Roku literally shows us his mastery of it, we see flashbacks of other Avatars having mastery of it! This is just straight up wrong." Mastering the avatar state is to have full control over it and use it whenever they want and they couldn't do both when. When showing mastery of elements in the avatar state is what you are thinking of. In Kyoshi story how she describes it she never can truly control it. Once again in ATLA it was explained you need to let go of all worldly attachments that are how you control the avatar state. "They did give you an explanation, you just refuse to accept it." I refuse to accept your speculation on how spirits work because I would think aang would search for years the same type of knowledge to repopulate the airbenders. I would think Aang would have searched and talked to all the avatars especially the original to get to know this knowledge since it was his goal to repopulate the airbenders. "This is shown in the literal 2nd episode of the show. We see Korra several times throughout the season practicing her airbending techniques. Again, do your research." Was that punch an airbender move. She didn't practice it then she took a leap of faith out of complete fear, this in turn should have resulted in her going to the avatar state to get their knowledge on how to bend. That whole moment ridiculed the idea of airbending to just sending random punches.

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James Green
James Green

I think your video overlooks what I fondly call the Naruto problem for Korra See I find especially in anime protagonists when the show is named after them they arnt exactly likeable people take Naruto he was annoying bratty etc, Korra to me is just not a personality I can jell with, I don't really like the hot headed, arrogant brawler type I prefer people to be laid back The way Naruto fixes this is by having a strong supporting cast with different people interacting with them allows people with differing personality types to learn to appreciate the character What Korra did was double down on Korras character development, sort of a if you got to know her you'd like her but realistically if you didn't like her as a character no amount of reinforcing that would help What they needed was a tales of ba sing se, to have the characters step back WITHOUT KORRA THERE we could see interaction with each other or alone I think they tried so hard to make her so central to everything and by comparison alta no one person was super important and no one person alone carried the day For a fun experiment try running a stop watch through the whole legend of Korra and hit stop everytime someone discusses something that isn't relevant to Korra or Korra herself talking... I think you would be surpised

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Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist

To be honest, I disliked TLOK when I first watched it because of the bandwagon. Now that I'm old enough to realize the shitty critics of TLOK Haters, I've been on my journey of defending TLOK in the internet. This is a great video btw

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Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist

@Shlok Rai sure

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Shlok Rai
Shlok Rai

IF you are still on that journey like I am on the opposite path of your journey can you read my and mattcmg argument. It is important to read all of it especially the last arguments from matt and me.

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Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist

Can anyone count how many fucks did Matt said in the video? This video is full of ENTP energy and I'm loving it ❤❤

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oompa loompa
oompa loompa

still trash lol

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wes chambers
wes chambers

he said innocuous like 6 times in 30 seconds there

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michał agapitov
michał agapitov

its funny how ppl complain about whitewashing in the live action but dont recognize that korra whitewashed the entire worldbuilding of avatar.

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michał agapitov
michał agapitov

@Signo de Interrogacion what do u think about something like asian food and samurais in lotr?i mean just because there are no asians in lotr doesnt mean that hobbits couldn invite that stuff right?XD

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michał agapitov
michał agapitov

@Signo de Interrogacion Ever heard of asian phylosophy?Spirit over matter? The level of modernisation and westernisation has no legitimity in the world of avatar.A quote from "the inescapable whiteness of korra" "But I keep coming back to how The Legend of Korra takes this opportunity to imagine a future without European and American colonisation and imperialism and give us nothing but that. And that leaves a very foul aftertaste. To suggest that Americana is the inevitable future of all worlds. That is no other possibility for modernity and progress. That westernisation is inevitable even in fantasy worlds without a “West.” The Southern Water Tribe’s aggressive industrialisation, exploitation of their environment and creating pollution is very much part of this “inevitability of progress” theme. It’s very uncomfortable given how the Water Tribe is based on indigenous cultures (especially the Inuit-Yupik culture). In the real world these are very much the people resisting imperialism, especially ecological imperialism (which they do in The Last Airbender), and thus to cast them as the polluting villains implies that given the opportunity these cultures would be “as bad” as the West, that this is how “everyone” is. It universalises something that just isn’t universal." period

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Signo de Interrogacion
Signo de Interrogacion

​@michał agapitov ''fire nation industrial revolution?ye for military maybe, unlike in korra where in 70 years time of peace was more invented than 10 000 years before.'' That how the world worked... In the real life. Industrial revolution came alone, and the progress became exponential. You may not realise it, but the world (our world) has changed more the last two centuries than most of the rest of the history. The difference between the UK and the fire nation, is that the first one first developed it for industrial purposes and the second one first developed it for military purposes, and that is fine, a great alt-history. I don't know if you read the comics (I'm that nerd), because if you did you will find out that the fire nation actually created railways. And not just some shity wagons pulled by horses, I mean a big balls steam train. The progression in TLOK was really natural and, actually, one of the best parts of the show ''And yes communism is western, and no communism can also happened in a country without the industrialisation.'' I may correct myself there, Amon did not search communism, it searched to social equality. And, why is communism exactly western? Can you tell me the reason of it's ONLY western and can no develope in a oriental setting in a particular? Also, communism (SE, sorry), at least in it's real life form developed in the aftermath of the industrial revolution. While many people saw this as a real improvement, communism though the change was only from place. From the town, the farm and the lord, to the city, the factory, and the owner. Communism does not emerge ONLY in this situation, but originated on it's current form, both in avatar, and our world, in industrial, twenty century era. It's so close together that the only different it's is asian leads. ''U are just so limited minded that u dont want to recognize that there are other ways of modernisation and progress than democracy, technoglogy, and MURICA.'' Where did I say anything about ''modernisation'' ''progress'' or ''democracy'' I said that communism was created in Europe, but it was also able to pop up in an eastern society with no problems if the conditions are set, and the industrial revolution happened in ATLA, not TLOK. And why do you assume I'm from America? DId you read my user name? Signo de Interrogación is litteraly Question mark in spanish. I really don't think America is the high of western world and democracy. Europe is way better nowadays, and the United States are full of social problems. No free health care, student loans up the ass, the highest inequality rate in the world... Is like saying that the UK has the best railway system just because they invented it, and just going ahead and ignoring that Japan is a thing

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michał agapitov
michał agapitov

@Signo de Interrogacion fire nation industrial revolution?ye for military maybe, unlike in korra where in 70 years time of peace was more invented than 10 000 years before.And yes communism is western, and no communism can also happend in a country without the industrialisation.U are just so limited minded that u dont want to recognize that there are other ways of modernisation and progress than democracy, technoglogy, and MURICA.

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Signo de Interrogacion
Signo de Interrogacion

@michał agapitov Imagine communist popping out in China and other Asian cultures. Craaaazy right? Yeah, I know, communism was created in Europe, but that thing popping out is something that can happen anywhere where a industrial revolution. And about that, you are being mad at the original show, where the industrial revolution actually happened.

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Obvious demon thing
Obvious demon thing

I don't hate the show, it was decent, like 7/10, and the ending, well they droped the ball by adding the, " surprise, she's very gay!" Without any context leading up it, was just simply pandering. If you want to show an LGBT show, actually show the LGBT stuff. Don't just tack on the gayness at the end of the show. It comes off as scummy and virtue signaling. Other then that, it was a decent show.

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Signo de Interrogacion
Signo de Interrogacion

@Obvious demon thing Ok, talking to no one of your friends, just one, will in no way change your relationship with that person.

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Darryl Jack
Darryl Jack

@Obvious demon thing I mean it was clear enough for the majority of the fanbase. And not just that, there's personally taking care of her while she was crippled, theres the exchange of compliments and things like blushing, the fact that when it came to splitting up in pairs they would go with each more than Mako or Bolin. Im not saying its the most perfect relationship or display of love for same sex couples (especially considering Nick making them keeping it to a minimum) but it is there.

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Obvious demon thing
Obvious demon thing

@Darryl Jack yea, writing to someonefor 1 year and giving someone tea doesn't mean attraction. It was just executed very poorly. And didn't give a lot of context to their supposed relationship.

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Darryl Jack
Darryl Jack

But we do get that context it was there in S3 and all through out S4. I dont think you know what Virtue signaling means, because they were serious about that relationship. They didnt "attack anyone with gayness."

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Emerald Krown
Emerald Krown

Legend of Korra is better than Avatar

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Vikkran
Vikkran

​@Emerald Krown Again i didn't insult you. Secondly i'm not wrong in the slighest. Also who's the idiot here? You obviously for making a ridicules claim saying it's the ''truth'' and when people question you can't handle a discussion maturely and you be like ''Don't insult me'' I think you are the one who get offline, not me.

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Emerald Krown
Emerald Krown

@Vikkran if you can't handle being wrong don't be on the internet b*tch

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Emerald Krown
Emerald Krown

@Vikkran you just insulted me idiot, if you have a problem leave. Its my "opinion" that you are an idiot, and it's also a fact too

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Vikkran
Vikkran

@Emerald Krown No you are not stating ''the truth'' Sure you can have your own opinions but you said ''I'm stating the truth'' makes this an objective claim and by that LOK is a much inferior show compared to TLA. Also ''don't come here and insult you'' No one has insulted you. You made a claim that LoK was better objectively and we responded to that. If you can't handle that, don't be on the internet.

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Emerald Krown
Emerald Krown

@Signo de Interrogacion just so you know I didn't read you most recent comment, it's too long. Again don't come here and insult me

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

If the avatar bending a age 4 isent a problem why didnt and and Roku know they were the avatar before being told? they should supposetly have been good enought WITHOUT training to bend the other elements, but why didnt they? how is it that we are told multibel time throughtout both series that firebending can be destroctive if not controlled, why then can Korra at age 4 bend Fire without training and control it? it makes zero sense.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

What makes you think Korra had any control over her firebending? We see her use it twice in that introductory scene with very little power output. This is corroborated in the comics where a young Korra gets stuck in a snowstorm and can't successfully produce enough fire to start a campfire. Her introductory scene does not imply that she has any level of control over the fire she bends, just that she is able to produce it in minimal amounts. Regardless of her ability to control her fire, it wouldn't matter because she couldn't create much fire to begin with.

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

@MattCMG I see what you are saying i terms og Korra learning of her ability to bend other elements, but i fail to see where you misunderstand what i was saying about firebending. i am saying that we are told mutible times in the show that firebending without leaning to control it, can be dangerous, i never said anything about not being able to firebend without control. Now Korra might have learnd that she can preduce fire, but i wont belive that she could learn how to control it, so why can she? i would assume it would be very dangerous for a child without the training of a master, to produce fire.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"If the avatar bending a age 4 isent a problem why didnt and and Roku know they were the avatar before being told?" Because they never figured it out on their own. The rule in AtLA was that the Avatar's identify would be revealed to them when they turned 16, but this is all under the implication that the Avatar didn't figure it out for themselves before then. Aang and Roku never figured out how to bend any other elements on their own, so they were told when they were 16 (12 in Aang's case, but he's a special circumstance). Korra didn't need to be told because she figured it out on her own. "they should supposetly have been good enought WITHOUT training to bend the other elements, but why didnt they?" Because they didn't think they could. Why would you try to bend an element if you didn't know you were the Avatar? "how is it that we are told multibel time throughtout both series that firebending can be destroctive if not controlled, why then can Korra at age 4 bend Fire without training and control it? it makes zero sense." This point makes no fucking sense to me. What does Jeong Jeong's advice to Aang have to do with Korra? The whole point of him saying "fire can be destructive" was to warn Aang that if he is to firebend, he should be careful not to let his fire get out of control. If he doesn't, he'd become someone like Zhao who firebends without any regard for what he destroys with it. The whole point of the episode is that firebenders *should* learn proper control, but that they can choose not to and still be firebenders. Korra can be a firebender and not know how to control it because those two things aren't the same. By your logic, Zhao shouldn't be able to firebend because he never learned proper control. "now i would say that Korra at age 4 is ass good a water bender as a fire and earth from what we saw, but that makes no sense since she had a waterbending master (her father) but no master for the other elements, so why sould she be able to bend them just tas well?" A few reasons: 1) Korra is just naturally talented. This is not unheard of in the Avatar world, as child prodigies are extremely common. Toph, Azula, and even Aang to some degree are all examples of this. They're all inherently talented at their respective elements and would still be extremely skilled without training. Why is it that those characters are allowed to be unreasonably good at stuff but Korra isn't? 2) You don't need a master to figure out how to bend. You mentioned Katara in your comment, and she's a good example. She had *no master,* but she still was able to waterbend on an incredibly basic level. We don't know how, but somehow she figured out she was a bender without the help of a teacher. That raises the question of how someone even finds out they're a bender, since its never shown to us and we can't assume that every bender on the planet had some kind of master to train them. If Katara is capable of just figuring it out on her own, then why wouldn't Korra as well? What you've done here is failed to separate the ability to bend from the martial art of bending. Katara didn't need a teacher for her to figure out the ability to bend, she needed a teacher to teach her the *martial art* associated with waterbending. Korra is much the same. She didn't have anyone to teach her the martial arts for bending, but she was able to figure out on her own that she had the ability. 3) This one is a bit of a stretch, but its entirely possible that Korra had some kind of exposure to what the Avatar is at a very young age. We know that by Korra's time, Aang's story had become a commonly known thing, and with the technological advancements made between the two shows its undeniable that information was able to spread much faster. It's entirely possible that Korra had access to Aang's story or even bending scrolls from other nations to learn from. This would make sense with the idea that Korra always wanted to be the Avatar, so she'd likely try as a child to bend other elements to imitate the stories she's heard and ended up doing it by accident.

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

Oh and why is it that Katara takes so long to master waterbending? we see her in the start of the show beding water but being very bad at it, becouse she has no master to train her. now i would say that Korra at age 4 is ass good a water bender as a fire and earth from what we saw, but that makes no sense since she had a waterbending master (her father) but no master for the other elements, so why sould she be able to bend them just tas well?

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

This point about the original benders does not hold up, why can Zuko a firebender not firebend when Wan, can after he recives the ability. does Wan have some anger issues? becouse when zuko lost his purpose to hit Aang he could not bend fire, but Wan a person who has never bent fire before can without this same drive. it makes no sense, Zuko had to learn a new way of firebending by beoing tought from the dragons. Wan also learn to bend better from the dragons but that does not exsplain why he could bend and control fire right after reciving it.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"how though? trough Telepati?" Literally yes. Why do you think the Lion Turtle puts his fingers on your heart and your head? The heart is for the powers, the head is for the knowledge. "no instruktions were given." They were, just not directly. The Lion Turtle doesn't give you step by step instructions, he just implants the knowledge of how to use it in your head. We literally see this in both shows. "Aang had the ability and even knew a littile of how to bend fire but he could not produce anything in "the firebending masters"" That's entirely separate from the Lion Turtles. Aang couldn't bend fire because he was scared of it and didn't fully understand it (as revealed in the episode). It was a mental block and had nothing to do with the fact that he knew the basics.

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

@MattCMG how though? trough Telepati? no instruktions were given. its like a baby is born with the ability to bend the element and if he recives no training he wont be able to bend. Aang had the ability and even knew a littile of how to bend fire but he could not produce anything in "the firebending masters"

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MattCMG
MattCMG

Wan could control fire right off the bat because that's part of what the Lion Turtle gave him. Its no different from how Aang knew how to use energybending despite never using it before: the Lion Turtle gave him the knowledge to use it alongside the ability itself.

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

Wow saying the villans had good intentions at the start, and then contradicting yourself 5 minuts after. you litterly said that amon created a culy with the intention of removing benders interaly through tarroisem, on what world is that a good sarting intention. he never wanted equality between benders and non benders he wanted to remove benders entirely, that was his satrting goal.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

I definitely didn't misspeak. I never said that his *goal* was good, but the concept of what he was trying to achieve was good, that being equality. Equality = good. Amon's version of equality and actions to achieve that = bad. Like Toph says in season 4, Amon took his ideology too far.

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

@MattCMG I think it is a stretch to call it an accident, and what i am saying is that you saying his initial intention was only equality that would mean that him taking bending away was not something he planned from the start. and i know in his eyes that was equality nut that is what i am saying, that was his goal from the start. i actually think we are saying the same thing. his goal was never honorabel becouse he had those ways of achiving said goal. but i just think that you misspoke in terms of you amon point, becouse you said that his goal was good, which is a very flawed way of looking at a persons goal to only look at what he was trying to achive. like saying Hitlers goal was prosperity for the garman people and ignoring/or saying his bad actions later was what made him evil, i am not saying you mean this, but that is what i got from the amon point in the villans category, (Btw really cool that you answer so quickly, and i hoped you would be nice, i hate having diskussions with both Korra lover and haters who just trow insults.)

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"it was not him wanting equality between benders and nonbenders that was never his goal, it was to remove the bending factor." In Amon's eyes, that *was* equality. We know that it isn't, but to him it was, and that's what matters here. Amon genuinely wanted equality, he just had a warped perception of what that truly meant. "from what you are saying it would seem like he just stumbled apon the ability to remove bending becouse that was not his main goal. but is was, he knew and praticed to remove bending becouse, that was his main goal to achive his idea of "equality"." Where are you getting this from? At no point does Amon reveal how he came across that ability. He trained to bloodbend people and trained in psychic bloodbending, but its never revealed how he obtained the ability to take people's bending away. You *could* be correct, but its a stretch because there's no information on it. He could have intentionally trained for it, but he also might have just discovered it by accident. We don't know.

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Mads Laursen
Mads Laursen

@MattCMG Yeah he wanted equality but not the equality we think, you said it yourself he saw that bending could control in his time learning bloodbending. and from that wanted to equality by removing bedning from all benders, that was his original goal, it was not him wanting equality between benders and nonbenders that was never his goal, it was to remove the bending factor. from what you are saying it would seem like he just stumbled apon the ability to remove bending becouse that was not his main goal. but is was, he knew and praticed to remove bending becouse, that was his main goal to achive his idea of "equality".

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MattCMG
MattCMG

You've completely misinterpreted not only what I said in the video, but also Amon's character as a whole. Amon ?*genuinely* wanted equality, this much is true, and that is a universally good thing. That on its own is a good intention. The *bad* part was the cult shit and wanting to remove all bending. His *original* good intention became corrupted by a power trip, making his new goal a bastardized version of his old one. In short: he never stopped wanting equality, its that his idea of what that meant and his methods of achieving it became corrupted over time.

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rangers94ism
rangers94ism

I love how there is a scene in the first season where Korra is crying over how terrified she is over Amon and yet people think that she is a Mary Sue. Also, most people in the show don't really like her nor do they support her decisions. Korra was constantly learning and growing. That makes her such a great character that I can get behind. Also, none of what I said takes away from the fact that The Last Airbender was one of the greatest shows ever created. But Korra deserves far more respect.

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Neptune Amaru
Neptune Amaru

As a teen i disliked LOK because it wasn't ATLA but as an adult i realized that Korra was never meant to be Aang and the story of the last airbender was complete. Korra was a new avatar,new story,new character,with her own development,in the same universe as The Last Airbender. I enjoy both shows and any problems with the writing doesn't bother me(i do wish the side characters had more convincing arcs with defined goals and struggles)because I'm going to stan any show created within the avatar universe because I love the avatar universe.

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Minecart Mark
Minecart Mark

Only a slight defense for ER as you even pointed out, some of his critiques and suggestions, say amon, ate decent which is probably the only points i agree with. That gone, nice vid. Certain points ill still disagree with but there are definitely stupid points expressed.

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Minecart Mark
Minecart Mark

A second point is i more so think its a good to decent show but not the greatest sequel but thats just me

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Lone Battle Droid
Lone Battle Droid

I just found LOK to be boring. I couldn't get invested in anything or anyone but I'm glad you guys liked it. I'll just re-watch Avatar, or re-read the Kyoshi Novels, or watch the Dragon Prince.

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Lone Battle Droid
Lone Battle Droid

Legend of Korra: You guys all act like you're so much better than me! Avatar: 🧐 Kyoshi Novels: 🧐 Dragon Prince: 🧐

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DrySalvages
DrySalvages

ATLA has been my favorite show for more than a decade. I never connected with LOK in the same way and I couldn’t figure out why. I legit searched YouTube for “in defense of Korra” videos to watch before I try LOK again!! I trust the creators behind this world and this video helped reset my biases. Thanks!

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Michał Kościński
Michał Kościński

MattCMG the truth bender

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sam
sam

Simple Answer, Aaron Ehasz was the head writer for every episode of Last Airbender, he wasn't involved with Legend of Korra at all. That's why the writing is not as good.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

It's a *lot* more complicated than just "one good writer among other good writers isn't here anymore". To say that is to say that Ehasz was the *only* reason for why AtLA was great, which simply isn't the case.

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D H
D H

Holy fuck 🤮🤮🤮 My brain farted from this review. Why are you trying to gaslight me?

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D H
D H

@My Piano Music oh, there aren’t pages of text in this comment section between me and Matt? How daft of me to not explain myself!

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D H
D H

@MattCMG what I mean is Mike and Bryan did season 1 themselves, without Aaron and his wife’s help, without the rest of the old crew. I’m not saying inventing last air bender doesn’t take genius inspiration, but to be frank, they’re not the best writers out there. I mean the succes of ATLA came from Mike and Bryan’s idea, but the execution of those ideas were the deciding factor. The writing team supporting Mike and Bryan get far too little praise. Of course more seasons would follow, I never doubted korra would get more seasons. But Mike and Bryan had no idea where the show was going.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"it’s common knowledge that the first and most important season of LOK was done without the aid of a writing team." Mike and Bryan wrote the entire first season together. That is, by definition, a team of writers. "Aaron basically carried last air bender." This sentiment gives no credit to anyone else who made the show great. You agree that writing is a team effort, yet you attribute AtLA's greatness to *only* one person? Seems a bit contradictory to me. "The writers were hired to fix the mess of the first and second season. Too little too late." Again, this is not what happened. More writers were brought in because they had more episodes to work with after season 1, and Bryke needed to focus on other developmental things. It had nothing to do with the quality. "A sequel series doesn’t have to be lesser then its predecessor." It doesn't *have* to be, but that's typically how it is.

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D H
D H

@MattCMG it’s common knowledge that the first and most important season of LOK was done without the aid of a writing team. Yeah Aaron basically carried last air bender. The writers were hired to fix the mess of the first and second season. Too little too late. A sequel series doesn’t have to be lesser then its predecessor. Look at Batman animated series and Batman beyond. I prefer the sequel series because it’s just as good, maybe better than Batman the animated series.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"yeah the spirit world was explained in ATLA but to a certain degree." This then raises the question: where do you draw the line? How much explanation is too much? It seems pretty arbitrary to me. "I thought it was quite weird that we have rava and vaatu AND the moon and ocean spirit. Both symbolise balance" I literally explained this in the video. Neither pair of spirits represent balance, they just so happen to exist in duality. Their existence is balanced, but they themselves do not explicitly represent that. "avatar wan locked vaatu away. How is that balance? Conflict between the two creates balance." This is one of the biggest criticisms of season 2, but I think its a misplaced criticism. Not invalid, just misplaced. Raava and Vaatu are portrayed to be balanced yet don't act like it due to Wan's actions, but that's kind of the point of the season, is it not? One of the big revelations that Korra has at the end of the season is that Wan was probably wrong and she has ironically made things more balanced than they were before (with Vaatu now growing inside Raava again). "Aang using the avatar state to defeat ozai was a little cheap, but I was more intrigued if aang would really kill ozai or if he would spare him." Funnily enough, that's the *other* major issue: Aang's moral dilemma ultimately meant nothing. It's built up as this big decision Aang needs to make: does he forego his morals and kill the Fire Lord or does he spare his life and stay true to himself? An interesting premise, yes, but Aang's solution to this was a deus ex machina. He doesn't solve this problem himself, he is given the solution by the Lion Turtle, which defeats the purpose. "actually hunting instinct is genetic. Fight or flight or freeze." Yes, but a pack mentality is not genetic as far as I'm aware. That was my original point. "The whole allure of last air bender is the ancient, magical Asian world. Now in korra we see techno bebop stuff." Now its one thing if you don't like the setting, but lets not pretend that its completely illogical or inherently worse. Neither is inherently better or worse than the other. "but the show doesn’t have to look bad compared to ATLA." What does this even mean? Nobody is saying it *had* to be worse. It was an inevitability that the new thing would never be as good or well liked as the original thing. "I blame the creators for not hiring the old writers when they came up with korra. They felt so sure of themselves with their succes with ATLA that they thought they could do everything themselves. The writing ideas in ATLA were bounced between great writers. That’s why ATLA is such a good and memorable story." Both shows had the same writers... the only exception being Aaron Ehasz, who didn't return for LoK. Don't pretend you know what went down in the writers room because not only is it baseless speculation (unless you got a source), its also deflecting from the point.

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Boaz Stuker
Boaz Stuker

I love everything about this show

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FallenNinja
FallenNinja

Don't forget Nick sabotage the production of LOK It was originally a mini-series, but during half of the production, Nick changed their mind and instantly want another Book, giving producers and writers a hard time and this is why Book 2 was poorly written. Nick moved the series online due to what happened in Book 2 And all because they don't want a female protagonist, so Nick did everything in their power to ruin the show so they could cancel it Not to mention, they cut off their budget (and that's the reason why we have the Remembrance episode) so the producers would rather make a clip episode than firing half of their staffs

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Mystic Dream
Mystic Dream

Tbh i agree with everything you said but omg you don't need to curse at everyone for having different opinions

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Mystic Dream
Mystic Dream

I went into lok expecting it to be bad because of all the criticism but while watching it I couldn’t figure out what everyone was so worked up about because i actually thought it was good. There were some small issues i had with it but i still don't understand how it gets so much hate.

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Jeremy Sellers
Jeremy Sellers

I still do feel like korrasami still came out of nowhere but it is still good and doesn't make the show bad

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Mark Van Geloven
Mark Van Geloven

I'm surrounded by idiots

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Jardine Smith
Jardine Smith

I adore korra series I get furious when the comments are full of rubbish about this show when the video is about why u SHOULD watch it like wtf😕

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hello
hello

THE ONLY THING I DONT LIKE ABOUT KORRA IS SHE LOST HER PAST LIVES KNOWLEDGE ALL THOSE LIVES WENT TO WASTE

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『 aman 』
『 aman 』

I just wanna say that I still don’t like korra cuz I don’t like the story but . I just wanna point out that in one of the comics . korra becomes her old self and I don’t like that . at the last season she makes a portal in the middle of the city and she goes on a vocation ?? That’s bad writing . and I blame the white lotus for making what korra was . cuz all the other avatars traveled around the world so they understand the world and how it works. but they didn’t let korra do that and she was just training with others elements thinking that she is gonna learn how to be spiritual . So dumb and bad writing . and the fact that she has 3 of the elements didn’t make her understand the fire nation and the earth kingdom .bad writing . And I really hated when they added portales and the avatar spirit which btw never was mentioned in any of the comics or the show in atla . And the avatar spirits are not balanced at all . Very bad writing . And they made blood Bending so powerful that u could even kill the avatar that’s how stupidly strong blood bending got . Bad bad writing . Yea there was good parts of the show and I did like then . but there weren’t much . And yes korra is different from avatar . But it had to be so different that they needed to add portals an avatar spirits that’s too far . At lest explain from where did portals come from . And I don’t know why the hell dues people think Zeir was doing something good that bull crap he’s doesn’t know shit he’s a man child . He wanted freedom but he knows shit how to get it . So dumb aaaaaa . That’s all

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"I just wanna point out that in one of the comics . korra becomes her old self and I don’t like that" I could honestly go OFF about how the scene you're referring to (which I assume is the coming out scene, since everyone uses that one) *isn't* actually character regression, but that'll be in an upcoming video. "at the last season she makes a portal in the middle of the city and she goes on a vocation ?? That’s bad writing" How is that bad writing? The problem was solved and the threat was eliminated. Why wouldn't she celebrate? "I blame the white lotus for making what korra was . cuz all the other avatars traveled around the world so they understand the world and how it works. but they didn’t let korra do that and she was just training with others elements thinking that she is gonna learn how to be spiritual . So dumb and bad writing" Bro... that's not bad writing... that's literally *the point of her character.* The whole premise of her character is that she is an Avatar without any world experience. Think of it this way: if Aang was a good person who needed to become the Avatar, then Korra was an Avatar who needed to become a good person (which by the end she does achieve). "the fact that she has 3 of the elements didn’t make her understand the fire nation and the earth kingdom .bad writing" In what way is this bad writing? "Understanding the Fire Nation" isn't a requirement for firebending, same goes for earthbending. You're probably getting this confused with something said in AtLA where Iroh said to Zuko about how understanding the four nations (drawing from different sources) is the key to being a more well-rounded person. "I really hated when they added portales and the avatar spirit which btw never was mentioned in any of the comics or the show in atla" I literally explained this in the video, so I'm guessing you didn't even bother to watch it. 24:22 "And the avatar spirits are not balanced at all . Very bad writing" I assume you're referring to Raava when you say "Avatar Spirit" but here's the thing: the Avatar spirit was always broken. Why is it only "bad writing" when LoK does it? "And they made blood Bending so powerful that u could even kill the avatar that’s how stupidly strong blood bending got . Bad bad writing" Bloodbending was always powerful. At no point is it ever used to kill the Avatar though, so I have no clue what you're talking about there. "At lest explain from where did portals come from" They do explain this, you just weren't paying attention. The portals were always there, but nobody knew about them because they were closed for so long. "And I don’t know why the hell dues people think Zeir was doing something good that bull crap he’s doesn’t know shit he’s a man child . He wanted freedom but he knows shit how to get it" This is a blatant misunderstanding of Zaheer's character. Zaheer values freedom and hates oppressive governments. These are *good* things. What's bad is that he became a full on anarchist (for various reasons) and created chaos by assassinating political leaders in order to do achieve this goal. He knew exactly what he was doing because he had been corrupted into thinking that chaos = freedom. I shouldn't have to tell you why that's a bad thing. It's not that he was *doing* something good, its that what he *believed in* wasn't entirely invalid.

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Waiting for Wonderland
Waiting for Wonderland

1:13:27 I just realized you have Giornos theme playing in the background! NICE

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Ostry Cień Mgły
Ostry Cień Mgły

What I like about korra: -common chi blockers -probending -common lightingbending -worldbuilding -Korra's growth shown in season 4 -Characters What I hate about korra: -love triangle stuff -taking away powers with bloodbending (I hate it because it's not even explained other than ,,using bloodbending) -psychic bloodbending (I hate it because it in my personal opinion doesn't make sense) What I would want in korra: -Seeing Zuko firebending at his best form (after atla, during the day, while being 40 yo or something) - Seeing filler episodes -Having Katara explaining the search of Zuko's mom in season 1 (when the night falls, in the forest, half of the episode would be just the tale and the rest would be about something they heard in the bushes that had inhuman sounds -More episodes Korra is a good show and even AMAZING when you consider the fact that atla ''fans'' hated creators and nick wanted them to shut the series down. It's good sequel to atla

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Takeover21
Takeover21

I personally don't have any problem with them rectifying Lavabending as a specialized form of Earthbending, but as it pertains to Waterbending, I don't think Waterbenders regulate or change the temperature of water. Rather, they instead control the phase in which water can take form. That being liquid, solid, or gas. And even though, scientifically speaking, we know this to be a result of temperature change, bending in the Avatar Universe is a magical aspect of the show. However, I think, as the showrunners went forward with the series, they began to, or started to, evolve the nature of bending using science. Just a thought. P.S. I thought this might be the case because while pondering that argument about why Lavabending makes so much sense to be a specialized form of Earthbending for this MattCMG fellow, I thought if Waterbenders could control the temperature of water, then how come the writers never had or showed one of their Waterbending characters bring water to a boil or generate a sauna with steam/heated mist?

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MattCMG
MattCMG

As a scientist myself (well, technically not. still in college), the only way to reliably change the phase of matter under standard conditions is to change the temperature. I can also think of several instances where waterbenders used said temperature manipulation like you've described. In "The Painted Lady" Katara creates a mist to lower visibility, she turns vapor into ice in "The Drill", and Korra does this at some point in season 1. There hasn't been any instant boiling though, but I'm sure its possible.

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Dajuan butler
Dajuan butler

Wow it looks like the fandom is on a civil war

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Trevor
Trevor

It has awful writing, terrible characters with half assed arcs, and when you explain the magic in a movie, guess what, you lose the magic and therefore the audience. Like the videogame anthem people will always be around to like terrible things because to them it's not terrible. Which is totally fine. It doesn't effect me. But to see the dive in quality was really painful.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

Bruh... you do realize that this video is *literally* an indirect response to those "Korra bad" videos you're telling me to watch, right?

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Trevor
Trevor

@MattCMG don't know why my opinion offends you.

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Trevor
Trevor

@MattCMG then you need to open your eyes. Anthem has a whole community of people who were devastated by the cancelation a few days ago. There are dozens of videos that can tell you all the reasons korra is terrible, I suggest you check them out.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"It has awful writing, terrible characters with half assed arcs," In what respect? You can't just say "this thing bad" and not explain *why* its bad. "when you explain the magic in a movie, guess what, you lose the magic and therefore the audience." I'm guessing you didn't watch the video, because there's an obvious piece you're missing here: explaining the magic with *more magic* doesn't remove the magic, it just adds more magic. "Like the videogame anthem people will always be around to like terrible things because to them it's not terrible." Funny you say that because I haven't seen a single person who actually gave a shit about Anthem for more than two hours.

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Hawkenwhacker
Hawkenwhacker

Here I am on a video searching for a series I've never seen thanks to a video from Sage's Rain discussing its central themes, which I dig...and I managed to watch your video all the way through. Props to me, I guess. Anyways, as I searched, I noticed some of those videos you brought up. This series is garbage? In what way? The moment I saw that title is the moment I knew that I would be walking into an echo chamber. Aside from my use at making random points, I do have to commend you on making this kind of video. As I mentioned, I've never seen this series so I feel oddly fortunate for having no first-hand knowledge of it. Even from an outside perspective, there is a clear shift in her character going from a person who is all up in your face to becoming more subdued over time. She's learned to calm the raging fire. This comment really didn't go very far, huh? I admit, I said a lot of words while saying very little. REGARDLESS...I enjoyed hearing your perspectives. No show is perfect just as no ONE person ever is or will be. What is life if you never learn and boy oh boy, do we ever continue learning. I'm going to stop talking while you may be sitting there, shaking your head, wondering what I'm on. :P

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My Piano Music
My Piano Music

If you haven't, watch the show!

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Serphents Goverment
Serphents Goverment

I loved lok its amazing I actually enjoyed it more then aot

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Spector
Spector

Jesus why are so angry, its becoming hard to watch this, I agree with you but your being such an arsehole about it

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Serphents Goverment
Serphents Goverment

I love korra

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GODFALL
GODFALL

good that you liked it but most people hate it and if most hate it then its trash

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gamer777
gamer777

@MattCMG yeah ever heard of episode 3

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MattCMG
MattCMG

That's not how that works. There are plenty of movies that people *hated* when they first came out but would end up being classics later on. You wouldn't call those movies trash just because the consensus was that everyone hated it.

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SuperKoopaBros
SuperKoopaBros

You're not just right, you're intelligent.

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ME HOY ME NOY
ME HOY ME NOY

Rey from Star Wars is a textbook definition of a Mary Sue, Korra is the exact opposite. You could actually have a scale from Korra to Rey, how much of a Mary Sue is she?

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ME HOY ME NOY
ME HOY ME NOY

I love Korra’s show so damn much. Aang literally passes the torch to her in the finale of the first season. And it is much deeper in a lot of personal and character driven ways.

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Jove Mokuryu
Jove Mokuryu

43:38 Great video but a small error, Christian philosophy is eastern in origin, not western, having had it's roots in Israel. Again, great video

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Brett The best
Brett The best

Why doesn’t this have million of views? Come on YouTube recommend this

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Nero Claudius
Nero Claudius

I love the villains in korra. They are well done. They weren't as generic as Being Evil for the sake of evil

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gamer777
gamer777

@Vikkran i mean it's bad story telling when you want to be taken serious

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Vikkran
Vikkran

Why is that a bad thing? It seems like today that all villians needs to have super complex motivations and backstory to be a villians. I miss more simplier times where as long as a villian was bad ass and cool it didn't matter their motives and backstory to some extent.

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gamer777
gamer777

not including unalaq

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Nero Claudius
Nero Claudius

I see people constantly talk bad about how Korra lost her avatar connections but no one comments on how she basically fought a dark avatar and no other avatar has had to deal with that.

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Not Beaming
Not Beaming

I legit hated this show 3-2 years ago I re watched the whole series 2 months ago and man idk maybe it’s because I’m older or something but honestly the world building was insanely good, and honestly it had more complex characters then avatar.

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Joshua Oyola
Joshua Oyola

I don’t even like LOK but some of these arguments are pretty bad

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Eazy Legend
Eazy Legend

It still a 7/10 at best

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gamer777
gamer777

@MattCMG here is my ranking for each season book 1 8\10 book 2 5\10 book 3 9\10 book 4 3\10

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MattCMG
MattCMG

A 7/10 ain't even bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Shady aura
Shady aura

I’ve noticed the video saying avatar was bad chalks a lot of there points to “bad writer” and talking about things beyond the 4th wall while the ones in it talk about it’s lore and try to explain the story with the story.

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EaastonCams
EaastonCams

Uh no.. nooooo lol you are fucking high

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jak
jak

After watching it again a year after i found out it was actually better. Thought korras headstrongness is a little annoying. It is really good and i suggest yal haters watch it again if u have not.

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ბედნიერი გობლინი
ბედნიერი გობლინი

as a gay person i hate wht love triangle bulshit makora korasami it dosent mator just dont do a stupid love triangel and propaly set up the charecters korasami was hinted in season 4 but not good enuph i whud love to see no romance insted

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Astrophilical
Astrophilical

Not the best show, but the most underrated

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Ayala Camjalli
Ayala Camjalli

BEST VIDEO ON YOUTUBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ayala Camjalli
Ayala Camjalli

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reuben Manzo
Reuben Manzo

I found somewhat of an inconsistency when rewatching Avatar: The Last Airbender. A fortune teller told Katara she would witness 3 great-grandchildren in her lifetime. Exact words were "you will have 3 great-grandchildren before passing away." In the last book of 'The Legend of Korra', Katara is 89 and her oldest grandchild, Jinora, is 14. Just how old is Katara planning to live to? Let's just humour this train of thought for a second. Currently, the average age for a female to have her first baby is 26. Adjacent siblings (excluding twins) are on average 2 years apart. This would place Jinora having her 3rd child at the age of 30, which would make Katara 105. I can't be the only person that sees the problem with this.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

@Reuben Manzo That's true, but there are other examples that I didn't initially think of that don't have any indication of learning Kyoshis' secret. Bumi is Aang's age so he's over 112 years old (even older depending on when he died). Guru Pathik was friends with Monk Gyatso and is still alive after 100 years, so he's even older than that.

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Reuben Manzo
Reuben Manzo

@MattCMG 230. Kyoshi unlocked some secret to immortality which I'm guessing Katara hadn't studied.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

People living excessively long lifespans is actually quite common in the Avatar world. Sozin was 102 and Kyoshi lived to be like 250.

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Raz N'emmy
Raz N'emmy

THANK YOUUUUUUUU 🙏

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Mega Games
Mega Games

Every point in this vid is true😎

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Odin Sørensen
Odin Sørensen

"I'll be taking the the most common and the dumbest critisisms". Really wish you hadn't chosen to do that. Makes the video far less meaningful than if you had actually proven strong arguments wrong. Like, prove that the love-triangle stuff in season 1 actually constituted a compelling romance story.

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Odin Sørensen
Odin Sørensen

​@MattCMG I'm sure you agree that an argument isn't necessarily good just because it supports a correct conclusion. "you stink, therefore you're wrong" is a bad argument in any debate about anything except bodily hygeine, no matter how wrong the opposition is. So the quality/strength of an argument no not dependent on the ultimate truth of the matter. And where did you find the "definition" of strong arguments anyway, and why should that source get to decide?

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"Just because an argument supports an erronious conclusion doesn't make it a weak argument." I want you to *really* think about what you just said here. If an argument supports a *WRONG* conclusion, then it is, by *definition,* a weak argument. An argument isn't immediately valid just because you were able to support it, because it would ultimately be in support of a false conclusion.

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Odin Sørensen
Odin Sørensen

​@MattCMG No. What I said was that the argument supports an erronious conclusion. *That* doesn't mean it's a particularly bad or good argument, it just makes the final conclusion it makes wrong. What's wrong with the argument itself is that it misses a few instances of machines existing in ATLA that are clearly neither coal- or bending-driven, and they are one-offs in a world that, with such technology, should have had more cars shown at least in the Fire Nation capital city. I'm saying it's not that weak an argument, because it's easy to forget those machines. Just because an argument supports an erronious conclusion doesn't make it a weak argument. You can be wrong about something for good reasons. There was every reason at one time to believe that ether was a real thing that permeated the atmosphere, until some guys set out to definitely prove its existence, but ended up actually proving that it didn't exist.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

Let me get this straight: you *acknowledged* why its a flawed argument because its based on a misconception, then go on to say that it's actually *not* a flawed argument because you were convinced by it at one point? That's like saying "yeah I know Flat Earth is dumb and makes no sense, but its actually pretty valid because I was convinced for a while". Like what?

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Odin Sørensen
Odin Sørensen

@MattCMG I did find the jump in technology to be unrealistic and a problem. And I don't think it was a bad argument just because the position it backs was in fact wrong, as it's an argument that comes from forgetting a few one-of technologies you could easily overlook or forget. It certainly convinced me for a while, so I'd like to think it wasn't a completely retarded argument.

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Ro Gotti
Ro Gotti

This show is fuckin dope!

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Its Ya Boi Shadow
Its Ya Boi Shadow

This was a good video but I just didn't like the show for a simple reason, I didn't have fun. It wasn't a cartoon and I just REALLY didn't like Korra as a character from the beginning, Not even comparing her to Aang, she was just so arrogant from the START and I personally hate arrogant characters, not only that but she seemingly to me gets EVERYTHING with no work or story to it, WHY does she get 3 elements from the START, and for the love of all things fun, can you honestly tell me the side characters are compelling much? There are moments and such but for majority they don't catch me at all. Also this is a personal issue I have with a lot of stories but WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING TO BE MORE THAN YOU REALLY ARE? The target audience is kids, and maybe this is just me but as a kid you don't CARE about things such as sexuality and politics and shit like that! Why is it so necessary to CRAM that into a story to please ADULTS, understand that a cartoon IS FOR KIDS, yet cartoons bring topics and issues that ARE STRICTLY THERE TO PLEASE ADULTS. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY IS KORRA SO FUCKING SEXUALISED?!? and 1 more good reason WHY ARE THERE SHIPS IN THIS SHOW? not like a small one but JUST SHOVED INTO YOUR FUCKING FACE AND DOWN YOUR THROAT. It just seems so ANNOYING to me, like why does this show or ANY show that intends to be a SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON, NEED to add "woke" or current world issues? Can you tell me that a CHILD is supposed to care? Most kids would find that shit gross or simply not give a fuck it's there. If this was its OWN show instead of being the sequel to The Last Airbender, then I think things would have gone better, because this is the most simple thing I have to say is the show wasn't so LOUD with issues, it was SIMPLE in basis but explored its ideas REALLY WELL, I was INVESTED in the world and I loved its SIMPLICITY so much that the more complex it got, the more I was willing to follow it to the end, completely understanding of every characters actions and just overall Hooked on what I was being told, when i was having a shit day I could watch this and become absolutely taken by the story, there was no huge underline and it was simply great. I can't get the same thing with Korra because plain and simple I cannot relate to her actions at ALL, I can't even begin to put myself in her shoes as a character be cause she ABSOLUTELY is NOT a character I can simply relate to, from her attitude to her romantic choices to ANYTHING, and then the new villain every season who's logic I didn't care for, and to be honest they looked more like a whiny bitch than a villain, I feel like they were trying to do something like Dexter, (the serial killer show not laboratory.) But NONE of the villains hit as hard. If you enjoy the show then AWESOME, but I just can't.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

@Odin Sørensen Oh my bad lmao. I got the notification and thought you were referring to me haha

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Odin Sørensen
Odin Sørensen

@MattCMG No, no, "Its Ya Boi Shadow" did. What a clunky name.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

I literally never said that.

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Odin Sørensen
Odin Sørensen

"It wasn't a cartoon" I'm sorry. I had to stop there. What?

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"This was a good video but I just didn't like the show for a simple reason, I didn't have fun." And that's fine. Nobody is telling you that you *must* have fun with a show. If you didn't vibe with it, then you didn't vibe with it. "I just REALLY didn't like Korra as a character from the beginning, Not even comparing her to Aang, she was just so arrogant from the START and I personally hate arrogant characters," It's fine that you disliked the character, but I think its a little disingenuous to say you didn't like her because of her *initial,* pre-development personality. Like I said in the video, that'd be like saying "I didn't like Zuko as a character because I hate angry characters", when that kinda disregards a fair amount of his development. Characters aren't supposed to be perfect at the start, they're supposed to have some undesirable traits in the beginning that they overcome, and for Korra this is her arrogance. "not only that but she seemingly to me gets EVERYTHING with no work or story to it, WHY does she get 3 elements from the START" Of the things Korra gets "given" to her, her bending at such a young age is the least egregious. Korra bending 3 elements at age 4 is an intentional choice by the writers that is *essential* to her character. Korra's arc is a journey of identity: she starts the show off with her bending like this to show that she highly values bending and being the Avatar to the point where she bases her entire identity as a person off of that, which over the course of the series is put to the test with events that make her question who she is beyond being the Avatar. "can you honestly tell me the side characters are compelling much? There are moments and such but for majority they don't catch me at all." All I said in the video was that they have a lot more going on than people realize or give them credit for, not that you *must* be compelled by them. It's up to the individual whether or not they are compelled by these characters, but it doesn't make them bad characters because you personally didn't' vibe with them. "WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING TO BE MORE THAN YOU REALLY ARE? The target audience is kids, and maybe this is just me but as a kid you don't CARE about things such as sexuality and politics and shit like that! Why is it so necessary to CRAM that into a story to please ADULTS, understand that a cartoon IS FOR KIDS, yet cartoons bring topics and issues that ARE STRICTLY THERE TO PLEASE ADULTS." I actually genuinely despise this mindset that cartoons can *only* be for children. This is the thing that is keeping animation from being recognized as a legitimate medium of storytelling. It's not a "kid's show" just because its animated. "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY IS KORRA SO FUCKING SEXUALISED?!?" How is she sexualized? Or any character in the show for that matter? "WHY ARE THERE SHIPS IN THIS SHOW? not like a small one but JUST SHOVED INTO YOUR FUCKING FACE AND DOWN YOUR THROAT." You're getting "romance subplot" confused with "fans shipping characters together", which are clearly two different things. Sure, romance can be forced in shows like these, but let's be real, its only ever a problem in LoK in the first two seasons with the love triangle shit, that I know for a fact that even people who liked the show still hated. "why does this show or ANY show that intends to be a SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON, NEED to add "woke" or current world issues? Can you tell me that a CHILD is supposed to care? Most kids would find that shit gross or simply not give a fuck it's there." Well here's your first mistake: LoK is a far cry from a Saturday morning cartoon. In a literal sense, the show was aired in prime-time slots on Nick, but the demographic is what really matters here. It wasn't aimed at tiny babies or young children the way you're making it out to be, because the target demographic was teenagers and young adults, hence why there were some more complex things going on here. The show wasn't *made* for little kids, it was made for an older audience. It's not "for kids" just because its just so happens to be kid-friendly and on a kid's network. You wouldn't call AtLA a kid's show, would you? "I loved its SIMPLICITY so much that the more complex it got, the more I was willing to follow it to the end," This goes for your entire description of why you liked AtLA, but does this not sound contradictory to you? You claim the show to be "simple" yet in the same sentence claim how its so "complex". Which is it? It's either one or the other (and I'll give you a hint: it ain't simple). AtLA and LoK are *both* very complex shows, albeit in different ways, but people will give AtLA that credit (rightfully so) but not LoK, when its just as or arguably more complex. "the new villain every season who's logic I didn't care for, and to be honest they looked more like a whiny bitch than a villain" Ah yes, the villains, notorious for acting like whiny bitches. Amon taking action against inequality by committing acts of terrorism? Well he's just whining. Zaheer causing anarchy by killing political leaders? Just a whiny little bitch. Kuvira reuniting the Earth Kingdom by military force? Maybe if she stopped whining then she'd accomplish something. You see how dumb that sounds? "If you enjoy the show then AWESOME, but I just can't." To reiterate, it's cool if you didn't like the show. You listed some clearly personal reasons for why you didn't vibe with it, which is fine. The problem though is that you seem to have a double standard when it comes to AtLA and its relation to LoK, and it didn't seem like you really made an attempt to understand the characters past the surface level of "I relate/don't relate".

Vor 2 Monate
Reuben Manzo
Reuben Manzo

Ok, let's do a comparison here. Zuko receives a facial scar after what I'm willing to call a social miscalculation. He carries that scar with him for life. Aang lost his entire nation, a burden on his heart which he carries with him for life. Katara lost her mother to a fire nation raid and was forced to fill the role at a young age. And she carries this with her for life. Toph was sheltered by her overprotective parents, a loss which followed her for life to the point where she had the polar opposite approach to raising her children, which ultimately led to similar problems. Korra loses her bending and before we have a chance to take in what this will mean for her future, Aang restores it, thus reversing the effects of Amon's actions. Unalaq destroys the Raava spirit which according to the conversation between Raava and Wan, should end the avatar until the next Harmonic Convergence (in 10K years). As I recall, Jinora comes along and saves the day, releasing Raava's spirit from inside Vaatu and returning it to Korra. Except for the fact that Korra can no longer contact the previous avatar's, any consequence of Vaatu's actions is nullified. Zaheer poisons Korra with mercury and as much as it leaves her disabled and traumatised for half of the next season, the fact that we've just witness Korra literally dust herself off from much worse means I feel nothing.

Vor 2 Monate
Reuben Manzo
Reuben Manzo

@MattCMG "By destroying Vaatu, Korra ensured that he would grow within Raava, not be reincarnated." What's to stop someone from ripping the Vaatu spirit out of Korra in the same way Korra did to Unalaq? If it can work in one direction, I see no reason why it can't work in the other. "These people were not Equalists, but were angry that their rights were being taken away just for being non-benders. They were angry specifically because they weren't Equalists." That's still a protest... "Bending is not the same as something like race or gender, because race and gender don't affect anyone's capability of doing a specific thing the same way bending does. Regardless of if there's a real life comparison to made or not, the point remains that this is an example of non-bender oppression." I don't think it is, because there are career opportunities available to non-benders that benders can't access. Chi blocking, for example. I don't recall a single bender with that ability. Also, on the topic of disability, I'm colourblind, giving me little to no opportunity in the military. However, due to my sight being partially impaired (inability to distinguish colour), some of my other senses have enhanced to compensate, primarily hearing and smell. I don't need to examine a fruit to know whether or not it's ripe, I can smell if it's ripe, so someone like me would function really well in an orchard. I'm not sure who it was that initially said this, but as one door closes, another must open. "Where have I seen that argument before..." I'm not a mind reader. And even if I was, it doesn't work across text. That's like saying "what's this I've been hearing about (insert story here)?" You're the one that's been hearing it, you tell me. "The extremism didn't solve the problems, at best it drew attention to them, which aren't the same thing." Actually, it kind of is. While their actions didn't directly solve the issue, it caused the actions that did. Indirect as it may be, it's still cause and effect. If you remove the cause, you lose the effect. Remove Amon, those changes in Republic City never happen. Remove Unalaq, the spirit portals remain closed and we don't get our airbenders back. Remove Kuvira and Varrick is still trampling over Zhu Li. The goal of movies and shows with this kind of theme is the audience is supposed to praise the hero and hate the villain. Instead, I found myself retrospectively admiring the villains (except Zaheer) *because* of the critical piece they played in instigating those changes.

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MattCMG
MattCMG

"If Raava can be reinstated, so can Vaatu." This is true, but it would happen *within* the current Avatar. By destroying Vaatu, Korra ensured that he would grow within Raava, not be reincarnated. "Something sure, but source material on bending history seems to be stretching reality somewhat." Think about it this way: what reason would anyone (the guards, anyone really) have to think that Zaheer learning about airbender culture could be a bad thing? Nobody could have know that he'd get airbending later on (not even Korra knew this would happen), so what would the harm have been in letting the dude read about airbenders? "The fact that we hear about it before it's shown to us means it can't maintain the same strength of effect without dampening chronological continuity." You realize there's more than one way to do this kind of thing, right? Telling before showing is just as effective as showing and then telling. "Looked like some form of protesters to me." Watch the scene again. These people were *not* Equalists, but were angry that their rights were being taken away (curfews, etc) just for being non-benders. They were angry specifically because they *weren't* Equalists. "Unless we're all cookie-cutter copies of each other (which we all know we're not), no one is going to have the same opportunities, which was the point I was trying to convey." True, not everyone has the same opportunities, but we don't really have a real life example of someone having an intrinsic ability that they are born with giving them economic opportunities that other people without that ability do not have (barring disabilities). Bending is not the same as something like race or gender, because race and gender don't affect anyone's capability of doing a specific thing the same way bending does. Regardless of if there's a real life comparison to made or not, the point remains that this is an example of non-bender oppression. "This is supposedly trying to delivering the message that extremism is a bad idea. The only problem with this is, as we've seen from the previous seasons, it's the only thing that actually gets anything done." Where have I seen that argument before... "It was because of Amon's extreme actions that changes were made in Republic City. It was because of Unalaq's extreme actions that humans and spirits became united. It was because of Zaheer's extreme actions that Kuvira was able to rise to power. It was because of Kuvira's extreme actions that Varrick came to respect and eventually marry Zhu Li." This is wrong on multiple levels. The actions of the villains did end up having positive consequences, but it wasn't because of their extremism. Change occurred not *because* of the extremism, but *in spite* of it. It's essentially "oh, you have a point, but we're not gonna solve this problem your way", if that makes sense. The extremism didn't solve the problems, at best it drew attention to them, which aren't the same thing.

Vor 2 Monate
Reuben Manzo
Reuben Manzo

@MattCMG "The only way to to do that was to completely destroy him." I think this is the double standard that you were talking about. As Raava told Wan "He can't destroy light any more than I can destroy darkness." Therefore, neither spirit can be *completely* destroyed. This was the same loophole that Korra used to get the Raava spirit out from Vaatu and become the avatar again. If Raava can be reinstated, so can Vaatu. "He'd go insane if the White Lotus didn't give him at least something to keep him occupied." Something sure, but source material on bending history seems to be stretching reality somewhat. Especially given that by the default of where the prison was located, the White Lotus would be regulated everything that goes into that cell. "It's still a visual representation of the noon-bender oppression we've heard about." My point still stands. The fact that we hear about it *before* it's shown to us means it can't maintain the same strength of effect without dampening chronological continuity. "The subtext of the scene makes it pretty obvious that these people were not equalists." Looked like some form of protesters to me. "It does show an economic inequality, where non-benders don't have the same opportunities as benders do." Unless we're all cookie-cutter copies of each other (which we all know we're not), no one is going to have the same opportunities, which was the point I was trying to convey. Another thing I've found recently. In the last season, Toph talks to Korra about how Amon, Unalaq and Zaheer took their ideologies too far and lacked balance. This is supposedly trying to delivering the message that extremism is a bad idea. The only problem with this is, as we've seen from the previous seasons, it's the only thing that actually gets anything done. It was *because* of Amon's extreme actions that changes were made in Republic City. It was *because* of Unalaq's extreme actions that humans and spirits became united. It was *because* of Zaheer's extreme actions that Kuvira was able to rise to power. It was *because* of Kuvira's extreme actions that Varrick came to respect and eventually marry Zhu Li.

Vor 2 Monate
MattCMG
MattCMG

"And while there is a bridge between these plots, I'd hardly call them intertwined like the other seasons were." That's fair. They're connected, but not as intimately as other plotlines have been. "Korra destroys Unalaq, but the Vaatu spirit survives and, in accordance with avatar lore, repossesses a new body. 20-30 years later, Korra could have another encounter." This isn't a bad idea (I actually would like to have seen a Dark Avatar be a recurring thing in future installments, if we get those), but it goes against what the point of season 2 was. The goal was to prevent Vaatu from ruling for 10,000 years, and the only way to do that was to completely destroy him (since letting him live obviously didn't go so well). "He was in prison. Somehow, I don't think he would've had anything to read. "Hey guards, could you bring me some source material on airbenders? Thanks." I'm sure that would go down real well." Well what else could he be doing? He'd go fucking insane from boredom if the White Lotus didn't give him at least _something_ to keep him occupied. Real life prisoners are given things to do, so why wouldn't Avatar prisons? "why would the Red Lotus have invited a non-bender into their group in the first place?" The Red Lotus didn't require people to be benders. The only requirement was that you had to agree with their cause of liberating the nations and shit. "Keep in mind, this was after Amon's equalist movement went into motion." Ok, and? It's still a visual representation of the non-bender oppression we've heard about, ironically perpetrated by the person who claims to be helping them. "Tarlok could've been keeping that movement under control for all we know." The subtext of the scene makes it pretty obvious that these people were *not* equalists. They were completely innocent. "I'm not a very muscular person, so there's not much opportunity for me in the wrestling business. Is that oppression as well? Am I being treated unequally?" Well here's the difference: bending is something you are born with, while (mostly) anyone can build muscle. We're comparing an intrinsic trait that one cannot choose to something that you *can* choose or work towards. It's not discrimination or unequal *treatment* that non-benders can't have jobs like these, but it does show an *economic inequality,* where non-benders do not have the same opportunities as benders do. "And for some reason, they thought it was ok to have an abusive relationship between Bolin and Eska. I guarantee, if Bolin was the one treating Eska like that, it absolutely would not have been given the same reception." Oh for sure there's a double standard here when it comes to who in the relationship is the abuser. However, I think people misread Eska and Bolin's relationship. Yes, it's abusive, but at no point is Eska made out to be in the right for abusing (in fact, she admits that she fucked up) nor is Bolin made out to be in the wrong for wanting to get out (it's actually made out to be a *good* thing that he realizes its abusive and he tries to get out). It's entirely okay to show an abusive relationship *if* the intent is to show why abuse is bad. The relationship is used for comedy, but the comedy comes more so from how Bolin reacts to things in his own Bolin way, not the abuse itself. The joke is *never* "haha look at this idiot getting abused" but is *always* "haha look at how Bolin comedically reacts to this terrible situation".

Vor 2 Monate
Reuben Manzo
Reuben Manzo

@MattCMG "It does and it doesn't, though I assume we'll get to that later." I thought I did. That was my next statement about how it moved from the civil war to Raava and Vaatu. Plus, there was Varrick as well which more or less acted as a 3rd plot. And while there is a bridge between these plots, I'd hardly call them intertwined like the other seasons were. "That would ultimately require Korra to lose." Not necessarily. Korra destroys Unalaq, but the Vaatu spirit survives and, in accordance with avatar lore, repossesses a new body. 20-30 years later, Korra could have another encounter. And another one 40 years after that (probably with the next avatar by that point) and so on. I'm still not happy with the way Harmonic Convergence simply erased everything Sozin's comet did. British comedian David Mitchell once stated 'when you have too much of something that you can't use and have nowhere to store, it's value will inevitably fall.' Now imagine for a second that Harmonic Convergence didn't occur: if a job comes up that requires airbending, Tenzin & Co. are suddenly in high demand (primarily Jinora as she's closest to working age and Tenzin would likely not take a city job over his family). I think I would've liked a story around Jinora doing an airbending job in Republic City. I'm aware this doesn't make what we've got bad, but I'm somewhat of a pioneer, this is what I do. I look at a certain scenario and I see it not as it is, but as it could be. I see potential and when I look at Harmonic Convergence and how it brought back airbenders on the spot, I see a missed opportunity for a potentially brilliant plot. "What do you think he was reading in prison?" Let's be realistic. He was in *prison.* Somehow, I don't think he would've had anything _to_ read. "Hey guards, could you bring me some source material on airbenders? Thanks." I'm sure that would go down real well. "A guy they thought to be a non-bender." That reminds me, from a logistics viewpoint, why would the Red Lotus have invited a non-bender into their group in the first place? "Tarlok arresting non-benders simply for being non-benders." Keep in mind, this was after Amon's equalist movement went into motion. Tarlok could've been keeping that movement under control for all we know. I'd consider it a very wide stretch to call that a 'pacing issue'. "Non-benders don't have the same opportunities by virtue of how they were born." I'm not a very muscular person, so there's not much opportunity for me in the wrestling business. Is that oppression as well? Am I being treated unequally? Also, the love interests. We appear to have this love triangle between Mako, Bolin and Korra which becomes a love square once Asami gets involved. And for some reason, they thought it was ok to have an abusive relationship between Bolin and Eska. I guarantee, if Bolin was the one treating Eska like that, it absolutely would not have been given the same reception.

Vor 2 Monate
Mason Crandell
Mason Crandell

LoK sucks. All of your points are bullshit. LoK hurts the Avatar universe with terribly weak writing. You are actually garbage for thinking there is more to the show than there really is.

Vor 2 Monate
MattCMG
MattCMG

If my points are such bullshit, then it oughta be pretty damn easy to give a valid counterargument, no? Considering you've done no such thing, how the fuck am I to take you seriously? If you think another human being defending a tv show makes them human garbage, then I'm beginning to wonder who the *real* human garbage is here...

Vor 2 Monate

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