Joe Rogan Experience #1393 - James Wilks & Chris Kresser - The Game Changers Debate

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    James Wilks is a retired mixed martial artist. He was the winner of Spike TV's The Ultimate Fighter: United States vs. United Kingdom. He is also a producer of the documentary "The Game Changers" on Netflix. Chris Kresser, M.S., L.Ac is a globally recognized leader in the fields of ancestral health, Paleo nutrition, and functional and integrative medicine. Link to notes from this podcast by Chris Kresser: kresser.co/gamechangers

Haseeb Javed
Haseeb Javed

This man literally had answers to every god Dam questions thrown at him. This is very impressive.

Vor 10 Minuten
NEOPAGAN 59
NEOPAGAN 59

Chris Kresser was good, but ... Shawn Baker would have absolutely destroyed James Wilks deluded and "slippery" arguments ... a lost opportunity Mr Rogan!

Vor 13 Minuten
Ian D
Ian D

James won this debate overall, but his tactic about Chris being intentionally dishonest about the cancer/dairy study where he argued semantics about "no evidence" vs. "decreased risk" vs. "increase risk" was DEAD wrong. No evidence and decreased risk are in the same category, meaning there is no correlation. You can't lump "no evidence" with "increased risk" because they are diametrically opposed results. He was seriously reaching there.

Vor 32 Minuten
Yung Lama
Yung Lama

sad to see that two guys cannot follow the easy argument in the beginning

Vor 2 Stunden
Isaac Warren
Isaac Warren

So basically James has very little actual evidence and is just wasting time arguing semantics and points that have no bearing on the actual overarching argument. James just talks more, and to someone easily swayed (like joe) that just seems like he actually has substance. Most of the crap James said he had 0 backings and just kept repeating it until they stopped arguing. Kept saying all the experts agree with me, to try to stop Chris from using data. Chris didn't say much, but he really didn't have to as James kinda just argued nothing.

Vor 3 Stunden
Danny Eccles
Danny Eccles

15 mins in and I REALLY want to just punch that James guy in the throat. My GOD he's annoying.....

Vor 10 Stunden
Danny Eccles
Danny Eccles

15 mins in and I REALLY want to just punch that James guy in the throat. My GOD he's annoying.....

Vor 10 Stunden
hasdengruber
hasdengruber

Wow the vegan guy just cannot listen to any other opinion.

Vor 10 Stunden
Jorge Soria Ruiz-Ogarrio
Jorge Soria Ruiz-Ogarrio

I love Joe Rogan’s style, but with B12 he really got misled by James. James speaks very well and is a hell of a talker, but he basically focused on marginal things to present Chris views as stupid, but mostly misrepresenting those views. The feeding of ruminating animals with b12 is not true and Chris was right there. The fact that there exists medicines for some sick animals doesn’t make it general. That is like arguing that all sheep are cloned because look, we have a picture of Dolly! James takes the exception to make it the rule. Then he goes to saying that the “best way of avoiding b12 deficits is to use pills”. To support that view he compares vegetarians using supplement to people with unhealthy diets, well not a surprise that the people using supplements don’t have deficits anymore. That is the idea of the supplement. But Chris’ point is valid: you don’t need a supplement if you have a natural (omnivorous) diet. The whole point of trying ad hominem arguments because Chris says that he doesn’t know how to read tree-plots is also very sad, sincerely. Chris is rather boring, but James’ style is so misleading and partisan that he just messed up with the whole concept of the Experience.

Vor 11 Stunden
Deren Devrimol
Deren Devrimol

Chris Kresssers in a coma

Vor 11 Stunden
sanzar
sanzar

The English guy sounds like an overly emotional and defensive asshole obsessed with personal attacks, whilst the dopey American guy sounds like he isn’t entirely sure what his position is. All in all, I wouldn’t take dietary advice from either. Game Changers certainly sounds like a documentary with an clear bias and agenda that was worked out backwards.

Vor 12 Stunden
Ben U
Ben U

James Wilkes is just bullying him around here. Not letting him talk. Just trying to win rather than having a conversation that helps viewers understand the effect of diet on health.

Vor 14 Stunden
Y U
Y U

I kept asking myself who do I trust more. And I trusted Chris.

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Walter Scott
Walter Scott

25 mins in, can`t listen to this.

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Walter Scott
Walter Scott

Should I eat meat, or should I just fuckin eat plants?

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stealth
stealth

jesus, james is insufferable

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DS04
DS04

Is anyone surprised that the accupuncturist can't interpret scientific data?

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Katz Saga
Katz Saga

BRING DOCTOR NEAL BARNARD in this PODCAST...

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Steven Smith
Steven Smith

James: so do you admit you were wrong? Chris: yes Joe: yes "Experts in the comment section" no

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D.C. Minor
D.C. Minor

The vegan asks “Please just let me finish, shut up till I finish”. Then joe n my dude finally reply n the vegan cuts them off over n over n over again......NEVER ONCE LISTENING to what they are actually saying. He’s so absolutely stuck in his view of ignorance that he’s not paying a single second of attention to anything they are saying.....EVEN...when they make perfect sense and can prove it. People, no matter how wrong they are, will go against everything they know just to prove that they are Right......Facts do not matter to people like this.

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TheRecordButton
TheRecordButton

https://youtu.be/cS3yakItmYY Get Dr. Fung on Joe!!

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OnlyErnesto
OnlyErnesto

wow its obvious that most of the commenters didnt finish the video...

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domagojelka
domagojelka

Wilks is a rude prick

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Aaron Silva
Aaron Silva

James does not know how to debate.. he knows how to fight and it shows..

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Myllz
Myllz

James is used to arguing with a lot less informed and/or dumber people. He doesn't argue the facts or the science. His entire hope is that he beats people into the floor with semantics and they give up out of frustration or exhaustion.

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DR. BARRIT
DR. BARRIT

Well I think that they all need to learn a thing or two about nutrition from Dr. Steve Brule.

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juan campos
juan campos

Remember guys, just because you see a debate and one guy is better at debate than another doesn't mean one side is right or wrong. educate yourself, listen to multiple debates on the matter and decide for yourself.

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dirk diggler
dirk diggler

Theo Von: So is this roadkill good to eat or nah?

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Vive Viveka
Vive Viveka

Ugly.

Vor 2 Tage
Patricia Swisher
Patricia Swisher

James, Communication 101, learn to use "I statements". I found it difficult to listen to your points for all the accusations you threw, particularly at the beginning of each statement you made. But maybe I missed the point of this discussion..

Vor 2 Tage
Mag Ma
Mag Ma

Joe - Have an ***authority*** on the podcast clarifying this utter madness, like an actual doctor : Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. James and Chris are chumps: James is fanatical and Chris is pathetic.

Vor 2 Tage
Muhammad Zahid
Muhammad Zahid

I just cured my IBS with Forest plots....

Vor 2 Tage
Work Mail
Work Mail

I actually think and believe the evidence brought up by James is legit. This is because of Dr Sebi. If you guys have never heard of him before, do your own research about him. He was simply amazing. Long story short, Dr Sebi PROVED that ALL illnesses are cause by a bad diet (particularly meat and dairy products) and that ALL of them can be cured by a vegan diet !!!

Vor 2 Tage
EwertAqua
EwertAqua

I eat meat and vegetables and I dont think Wilks is 100 percent right, but he crushed Kresser here

Vor 2 Tage
Taz I
Taz I

If you go plant based you’re gonna FART all day, looking for 20/30g protein is an absolute ball ache when you can smash a Nandos instead.

Vor 2 Tage
Ambis Magee
Ambis Magee

Dude James is intolerable, using shady tactics throughout while going on hours long diatribes. I don’t even know what Chris’ responses would’ve been. James lets Chris respond for three words and goes on another 30 minute rant. Annoying as shit and undermines the points he’s trying to make cause it’s a dishonest tactic.

Vor 2 Tage
cgc
cgc

I'm not completely sold on the plant based deal...but it's funny to watch Chris Kresser get quieter and quieter through the pod cast lol

Vor 2 Tage
Mike S
Mike S

my grandpa ate microwaved bacon everyday for breakfast until the day he died at 92. long life and bacon what more do people want

Vor 2 Tage
Gabriel HH
Gabriel HH

James is a lunatic. You guys should have called him out

Vor 3 Tage
tom pom
tom pom

i literally got a headache watching 40 minutes of this shit,, no thanks.. idiotic crap, wasted time... next!!

Vor 3 Tage
tup2retro
tup2retro

Lots of confusion here about hypothesis testing, and this bogged down the conversation quite a bit. In science, your hypothesis is typically that something “is” having an effect. In statistics your null hypothesis is always that there “is no” effect. The statistical method can certainly help you avoid confirmation bias. Their argument about the misleading quote had a lot to do with the differences between hypothesis testing.

Vor 3 Tage
Cheryl Bartone
Cheryl Bartone

I’m an epidemiologist so I guess I’m shifty 😂

Vor 3 Tage
mohnish2009
mohnish2009

chris got torn a new one

Vor 3 Tage
Alin Ioan
Alin Ioan

Just watch this at 2x speed

Vor 3 Tage
Benny D
Benny D

I watched the Game Changers trailer and I’ll definitely watch the documentary but I don’t see myself not consuming beef 🥩 products anytime soon😉 The majority of the world including elite athletes still consume meat products & will continue to do so. Nothing against vegans/vegetarians but some of them (a lot of them) like to spread pseudoscience & misinformation just to promote their agenda. Vegetables are healthy & necessary but so are meat products. Overconsumption is a problem & that’s what leads to health problems. Moderation is the key imo.

Vor 3 Tage
Luis Paras
Luis Paras

I'd love to see James Wilks debate Rhonda Patrick

Vor 3 Tage
Joseph Carrouth
Joseph Carrouth

When is the forest plot scene

Vor 3 Tage
Tom Dransfield
Tom Dransfield

Fuck joe please take control of this shit Show

Vor 3 Tage
MichaelIsabel
MichaelIsabel

This was such a beat down. Like if Connor didn’t knock out Cowboy in the first minute but he just kept hitting him in the face for 3h 40m and we just watched the whole thing. Chris owes Joe and his listeners an apology for being misleading. How can you spend 2:15 dubunking something as you’re an expert and be so misinformed or intentionally lying? No one knows what they should be eating because of people like him. James was so well prepared. Eat more plants.

Vor 3 Tage
M
M

How can James Wilks assume people are eating high quality bread . Cmon - most people out there eating white or whole meal bread which has only a couple grams protein at best ! Laughable 😂

Vor 3 Tage
Bias
Bias

i would watched a ten piece mini series "the game changers"

Vor 3 Tage
alexandergoldman
alexandergoldman

Joe...that video of you and Chris should be taken down...shame on you for posting something that has so many misleading statements and untruths.. disgraceful. I expect much better from you

Vor 3 Tage
alexandergoldman
alexandergoldman

Title should read 'James "1990's Mike Tyson' Wilks vs Chris 'Erkel' Kresser' as this was a smackdown of epic proportions. Chris started off ok...but absolutely wilted and shriveled after the 1/2 way mark.. James was prepared...smart dude

Vor 3 Tage
oklakugels1
oklakugels1

Is his movie as good as this podcast?

Vor 3 Tage
LBkid90
LBkid90

I would like to have seen James debate Layne Norton

Vor 3 Tage
Chino Gambino
Chino Gambino

20 minutes in and it is impossible to watch this, there is no practical way to really confirm either of these guys assertions are correct while listening or retain the information in any organized digestible manner. This should be an argument in writing, not rhetoric because whoever talks the most or seems the most confident will fool most of the idiots listening on social power alone. Wilks' first point is retarded, he's being dodgy and he's actually too stupid to realize the more detail he reveals the weaker his attack on Chris actually is to anyone paying attention. 71% found no statistically significant risk, 13% found decreased risk and 16% found increased risk, since this is a meta study we are only reviewing the literature, not making a determination on what results to accept but the trend. The difference is only 4 papers between those that found any affect at all of dairy on cancer rates and we have no idea by what margin, is it 1% increased risk in one paper and 50% in another? Which are accurate? Who knows. Then he brings up industry funding but then denies its to attack the veracity of the papers, but then proceeds to fill the air with his voice anyway! Wilks demolishes himself by just talking all the damn time, its not impressive to anyone who has dealt with liars before.

Vor 3 Tage
Carlton Simmons Jr.
Carlton Simmons Jr.

I lean towards James Wilk's point of view, but the way he argued here was all over the place.

Vor 3 Tage
Zachary Wingate
Zachary Wingate

Why are vegans so angry !!!

Vor 3 Tage
Adam Jakubowski
Adam Jakubowski

I am vegetarian. I am completely stunned by how James Wilks is. He is a complete asshole. Honestly, listening the first hour of this makes me want to eat meat, no matter who is right in this argument. All I can say is that not all vegetarians are assholes :P.

Vor 4 Tage
Chino Gambino
Chino Gambino

He's not even right according to a lot of vegans and even vegan food company reps say his film is full of exaggerations and lies.

Vor 3 Tage
Just clicking buttons
Just clicking buttons

Lentils and peanutbutter, but what else? Sure soy and seitan, but what else compared to lentils? Go to beans, 347kcals per 100g. You do have more leaner options with animal products, than with vegan products. Still eating mostly vegetarian/vegan during my week. Just eat a healthy balanced diet, we all would have less problems and those two wouldn't have to argue for 3.5 hours like little childs.

Vor 4 Tage

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