Joe Rogan Experience #1393 - James Wilks & Chris Kresser - The Game Changers Debate

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    James Wilks is a retired mixed martial artist. He was the winner of Spike TV's The Ultimate Fighter: United States vs. United Kingdom. He is also a producer of the documentary "The Game Changers" on Netflix. Chris Kresser, M.S., L.Ac is a globally recognized leader in the fields of ancestral health, Paleo nutrition, and functional and integrative medicine. Link to notes from this podcast by Chris Kresser: kresser.co/gamechangers

TheIneedmoneyasap14
TheIneedmoneyasap14

3:26:00 explains why I have so much more energy from eating plant based

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PARKER LEWIS
PARKER LEWIS

This guy is the worst guy to argue with he load your brain up with a whole bunch of shit that you can’t even focus on and you can’t disprove one of his things because he just wants to finish and blah blah blah up his head off and then dismiss your evidence

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PARKER LEWIS
PARKER LEWIS

Convincing statements instead of just saying what they did or didn’t do he’s trying to make these guys seem like they couldn’t have been biased

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PARKER LEWIS
PARKER LEWIS

Saying something that you can’t prove blah blah blah disproven your shit I saw someone eating a chicken sandwich I know these guys convincing statements

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Constantin Budt
Constantin Budt

The way James tried to trap Chris every time he said something made this really hard for me to watch. I really dislike his style of discussion.

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HumanZero HumanZero
HumanZero HumanZero

1:43:35 This is the point where he won rogan over

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BiH Bosangero
BiH Bosangero

1:29:33 😂

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Victoria Smith
Victoria Smith

The fact that Joe clearly couldn’t comprehend that NO EVIDENCE shouldn’t be used with the 13% is a little sad.

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Robyn Sanchez
Robyn Sanchez

JOE BE S REFEREE!!!

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Robyn Sanchez
Robyn Sanchez

2 against 1 hmmmm😐 come on a no brainer eating dead animals..think about it 🤔🤔🤔

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Kay H
Kay H

What an absolute genius. Well done James.

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Naman Patwari
Naman Patwari

Joe's bias is so blatant here - hats off to James for being patient and sticking with the data

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Elliott 2
Elliott 2

That Vegan dude killed it I might actually try the vegan diet.🤔

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3betpanda
3betpanda

Comments: 20% Chris lost 80% Chris can’t even read a forest plot

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Carlos Dias
Carlos Dias

#DontMessWithJames

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Divyansh Verma
Divyansh Verma

2:25:17

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Artur Racicki
Artur Racicki

Although I am a vegetarian I was struggling with James' aggression.

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Raul Vaquer
Raul Vaquer

Imagine Chickens dont eat a lot of isects in the open field... No vegans, no carnivores, we are insectivores

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Sylvester Ramirez
Sylvester Ramirez

I like listening to Joe Rogan podcasts because they are more bioavailable than other podcast .

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Mark Familari
Mark Familari

I dont think james is a vegan he just chewed a man up

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Ghebrehiwet
Ghebrehiwet

”There is a podcast episode of the Joe Rogan Experience that breaks down supposed inaccuracies in this documentary. In December 2019 James Wilks went on Joe Rogan's show and responded to the criticism and debated Chris Kresser for 4 hours. Joe Rogan was so impressed he said he's considering taking the original show with Kresser offline.” -IMDB

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Melanie Magaha
Melanie Magaha

I don’t understand the vast majority thinking this was a massacre of chris. James is a moron 🤣 he talked over everyone in big peacock style... he doesn’t seem to understand basic debate or physiology 🤦‍♀️ Chris: uses so many peer reviewed studies James: just says Chris is wrong with no evidence

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Ghebrehiwet
Ghebrehiwet

Bro had vegetables and three red bulls for breakfast

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ASIA
ASIA

chris is stupid

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Abhinav Rai
Abhinav Rai

That 83% argument and 87% argument was sheer bullshit. Is it necessary for a fighter to have 0 iq

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Sunny shah
Sunny shah

The only plant Joe will ever eat is the one with DMT

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Bug Reporter
Bug Reporter

Wow. Wilks first argument of the debate was all I needed. Paraphrasing "Chris misleads people. Chris could have just as easily said 87% of the data shows no link or a link to cancer, and it would have been the same." I'm not going to bother explaining the stupidity of that statement, Chris and Joe did a fine job of that. However, I will note that almost without fail, all of the Wilks supporters in the comments use the same technique as Wilks does - projected arrogant confidence. And I don't blame Wilks, he was after all an MMA fighter and you need the ability to create your own reality to have any chance to succeed in a sport that induces the same physiological effects as fighting to the death. Problem is, that doesn't really work in the world of critical thinking. And the problem for James is, he was 10-4 in his career? Maybe if he had eaten meat he would had the necessary testosterone to actually have been successful at a high level for an long period of time, instead of being a mediocre injury prone flash in the pan? Not saying it's causal... just an n=1 epidemiological anecdote.

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boo hoo
boo hoo

james is a dick but the asshole is prepared and knows how to fight. poor chris is lost here. he's acting like a little mouse and i think he gave up way in the first hour. all i know is that i really want a peanut butter jelly sandwich right now,lol

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Smoky Ger
Smoky Ger

Cant stand James, he uses the same stuff for his side that he bashes Chris for. Typical Vegan who switches talking Points as soon as he is on thin ice again. Disgusting like a Pea Mc Nugget.

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boo hoo
boo hoo

had no idea that so many people are lactose intolerant. it took me decades to figure out why my throat was filled with excessive mucus. something i never seeked help for but suffered half my life. i drank milk 24/7 until literally i ran out and kept forgetting to buy it. after days of going without it and then having it again i realized what it was doing to me all my life. the same thing happens to me when im near certail very foul smells. i tired to research this few times and couldnt find any info on it but im assuming its a immunological response that coats your throat and nose to protect the body from harm. im absolutely convinced of this. still love milk but i think there might be a good reason why other animals do not feed on others milk

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boo hoo
boo hoo

half hour into it and i want to slap both of them. how dishonest though of chris to suggest the data on prostate cancer and dairy is fishy just because its one type of cancer. wtf?

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Phil Cha
Phil Cha

James Wilks may have done a good job defending his film, but what I got from this is he's a dick. Just because a guy can't read a forest plot doesn't mean he can't read any scientific papers. What this tells me is that James did a lot of prep and "training" for this. Then he word raped his opponent.

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Chub the Police
Chub the Police

Vegan guy crushed it

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Adam Smallridge
Adam Smallridge

James smashed it 🌱

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Harrison Hightower
Harrison Hightower

Joe is doing the carnivore diet now

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josimar ruiz
josimar ruiz

Introducing on the left, wearing kombucha stained trunks, James Call To Authority Wilks!!!!!

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Shane Mangold
Shane Mangold

This James guy conflates proving the inverse with refuting the claim. If you try to claim that most humans are getting cancer from eating dairy I do not have to prove that dairy makes most humans MORE RESISTANT to cancer to refute your claim. I only have to prove that most humans are NOT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED BY DAIRY as it pertains to cancer, and if the specific percentage of humans that consume dairy GAIN Health benefits is only 13% (which is 3% less than those who lost health benefits) it doesn't mean that the 71% that just aren't effected by it don't matter they are still not at an increased risk of cancer form having consumed dairy which is what James is trying to prove is the norm. This James guy is an idiot and a propagandist. also a difference of 3% is not statistically significant. Making the claim that there is also an immeasurable amount of error that skews the results against my conclusion so you need to give me more weight on my 3% isn't a scientific claim. You need to eliminate the variable by choosing studies that do not have conflicts of interest, again a burden that lies on you when you make your film not chris when he is critiquing you.

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Abhinav Jethi
Abhinav Jethi

I really need to kill an elk

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Khadeem Wilson
Khadeem Wilson

3:29:12 Chris tried to get some last punches in and james shut his stuff down.

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tito huarez
tito huarez

Joe showing his true IQ

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Visuvh
Visuvh

check "Response to The Game Changers Debate: James Wilks vs Chris Kresser on the Joe Rogan Experience " (by biolayne) all in all this was more of a debate (pretty one sided in jame's favor) than seeking for truth... not satisfying

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myrddin wild
myrddin wild

It was very frustrating listening to Wilks bully Chris out of his pov's without debunking them all. Fair enough he did some, but the main points were left unchecked. He's a fighter & Chris must be very non-confrontational because the elephant in the room never got answered regarding the film being anti-meat where-as Wilks in the interview said meat is not that bad. So why didn't they come back to that? It's basically the whole reason Joe asked Chris to debunk it in the first place. I kept wishing someone would corner Wilks on that specifically, but nobody ever did. Wilks said in this interview that meat was NOT bad. He also said at the start that he feels meat IS in fact bad. So WTF is your belief & why didn't you put the "meat isn't bad" pov in your film. The first 30 min. was all debunking Wilks. He never addressed the fact that he brought up cigarette companies buying studies to the fact that meat industry buys studies. That's a pretty fooking major point. Then, that whole BS Wilks went on about after that... regarding where Chris debunked his claim about "dairy causing cancer" was also not correct either. The studies were even which debunked Wilk's claim, but Wilks made it out to seem like it was bad. The fact is that in Wilk's film he made the connection between the 2 studies to make the indication that meat is as bad as cigarettes & dairy cuases cancer. These are major problems that Wilks just avoided & for some reason neither Rogan nor Chris came back to. Baffled by BS? I don't know. I'm pretty distraught that they didn't come back to that & the first point after Wilks debunked Chris' pov on much lesser valid things for the rest of the interview. He's just a fast talker that's all. I'm surprised he out talked Rogan, but somehow he did. I kept thinking they were keeping that stuff in the bank for later but in the end they didn't pull that obvious trigger. That's literally the whole reason they did a debunk in the first place. All the details aside... the movie makes meat look unhealthy. So wtf didn't they come back to that? Good on Wilks for debunking the minor points, but he never answered to that main point. When Joe said they were about to wrap it up I wish either he or Chris would've said, "well okay, lets get to what we came here for...." Chris could've roasted Wilks as many times too, but Wilks just interrupted him constantly & Wilks changed the subject every time Chris would bring up a good point. "Can we get back to the slides" is basically his rebuttal when Chris brought up good points, but they were slides about something else most of the time. It was a diversionary tactic & I'm surprised neither of them were bringing that up. Every time he said "how am I doing" Joe should've said... good on these points, but your film was way too anti-meat & that's what we really need to address. Joe nor Chris just didn't keep calling him out on it like he was calling Chris out constantly. That bullying & interrupting Chris constantly doesn't make his pov more valid. Good on when Wilks brought up studies to refute, but half of the stuff wasn't refuted... it was stuffed aside without addressing it. This thing about Chris can't read the data was stupid too. Not every study has a tree graph, & typically you can feel safe reading the pov of the scientist who made it. Okay... fair enough Chris has only been reading the interpretations of the tree graphs, but that doesn't make him unqualified to process the information ffs. So maybe that one example where that scientist messed it up made Chris look bad, but that doesn't mean he's incapable of processing data. On the flip, I think Wilks was rightfully retaliating for Chris bashing his film, but that pov was way over-used. Again, good on Wilks for pointing some things that Chris got wrong, but a lot of it was about studies Chris hadn't seen so it's a good debunk of him but it doesn't make Chris unqualified. (such as the cows being fed B12 & not seeing the references in the credits to B12) those are just things Chris hasn't seen... doesn't make him unqualified. Wilks just kept making that a key point though & it got annoying. He also steam rolled over Chris' references without debunking them.... & most of those are minor points anyway when compared to the major point that the film did trash meat... when Wilks said a paradox to that in the interview declaring "it's not bad" several timez. Actually Wilks said both it's terrible & it's okay in the same interview. I was shocked nobody called him out on that after he called out Chris on the smaller things like not seeing a credit in his movie. That doesn't even count as a debunk about B12 as he said. It counts as a debunk of Chris no seeing it... but he kept counting that as a debunk about Chris' pov about B12 ffs. The overall issue of his film is not including his acceptance of meat being okay... & this was only brought up in this interview... not the movie.... & that's a damn shame they didn't call him out on that & was baffled by his deversionary tactics. It was very frustrating that Chris was passive enough to let Wilks bully him out of that pov. Chris brought it up several times, but he didn't insist on sticking to it & so Wilks just went to an unrelated slide. I suppose you can't let others change who you are... is why Chris didn't get aggressive... but the only reason Wilks won this debate is because he was just more aggressively bullying Chris imo. It would've been very different if someone were pressing Wilks with just as much energy as Wilks was presenting to them.

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RIKO
RIKO

oh come the f on u halfwit, justifying einning an argument based on energy output is not a thing. Even Joe says word by word "You have defended your film exellently and have right about every single "Debunk" that has challenged your film. Another thing he says "Chris this is not looking good for your arguments." Get a grip

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Milk Lamar
Milk Lamar

Game Changers is MOSTLY nonsense. I suppose if you were so impressed with James, it doesn't take much to impress you. This Doc was full of, almost silly, theories. Why can't Americans just adopt balance. Why are we constantly trying to say there is something you shouldn't eat... ever! Some of the tests done in this Doc were laughable. Being prepared and "sounding" (except for folks who don't read and just learn from watching Netflix docs) right doesn't make it accurate. This is a unintelligent person's documentary.

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bars bek
bars bek

for anyone who is concerned info about B12: guys I have been vegan for almost 2 months now. I have just checked B12 levels, and it is well above the required (232, requirement above 190). and I have not taken any supplements so far, just having for breakfast corn flakes with fortified b12. I will get it checked after 2 months again, and i think it will be still ok. will update anyways after i get it checked.

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Nicholas Randell
Nicholas Randell

Just came to the comments to point out joe did say 1.2 and not 1.6

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TYLER NOBLE
TYLER NOBLE

This little prick Kresser has definitely not diminished the the overall impact of this documentary, his contrarian views are annoying and he’s clearly got an ulterior (and dare I say financial) motive and incentive.

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Lucas Izidorio
Lucas Izidorio

They should not use studies, they should use YouTube's comments section to support their claims

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ASHUTOSH SHARMA
ASHUTOSH SHARMA

People do not care about these scientific facts or moral ethical conflicts.... THEY JUST WANT TO SATISFY THE TASTE BUDS BY EATING MEAT. So, the best approach is to learn cooking tasty vegan dishes like in INDIA where majority ppl are vegetarians and even non-vegs eat meat very less.

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Maxwell Greene
Maxwell Greene

Wilks is out here saying authors made mistakes interpreting their own data... just stop dude

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fsociety
fsociety

James talked 99% of the time and did nothing but interrupt Chris and Joe everybody's acting like he dunked on everybody. There was barely any time for rebuttal lol

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Jayson
Jayson

no need to rebuttal when facts are presented mate

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ibawanhun lyttan
ibawanhun lyttan

wish this were a conversation not debate

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Tom
Tom

Is that Vin Diesel sounding voice caused by Tren, HGH or something? Always wondered why some people have that distinct tight throat voice

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samwell tayrlor
samwell tayrlor

who’s here after hearing about a Trump and Biden debate?

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Dennis Economos
Dennis Economos

It’s nice to see someone who can back up their claims. Chris looked like a child who got caught lying. Read those forest charts son 😂 James 1 Chris 0

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Rebeca Pérez
Rebeca Pérez

I saw this film just because it appeared on Netflix one day. Here in Spain nothing about it had transpired. Fifteen minutes into the film I was already lmao. The amount of nonsense they brought up was unbelievable. It was amusing at first, until I realised that people would buy into it without giving it a second thought, just because the way points were presented. After 30 minutes, the blatant lies and pathetic manipulation made angry. The film defies all logic about human nutrition, human evolution, History, biology... With no real proof, period. Everything was so absurd that I had to search for information on a few of those experts. For examplw, in less than five minutes I discovered that sadly, anaything nutrition wise coming from Harvard is unreliable. It is no secret that Big food uses Harvard to achieve their goals. Harvard don't allow any studies that could suggest their narrative is wrong. But they're incredibly influential. There's a lot of money behind them. The one with the gladiators was hilarious. Anthropologists saying we are plant based biologically, or even vegan... I guess those australophitecus in Gona, the Rift Valley... As far back as 2,5 million years, and literalky surrounded by the remainings of hunted animals (intentionally cut and crushed bones to extract the marrow, for example) and stone tools, were just passing the time playing with rocks and sticks. The fact is that James is very aggressive and DOESN'T REALLY PROVE any of his film's claims. Instead, very intelligently, he attacks Chris's character, trying to discredit him. Fortunately, all those incongruous claims that meat is so bad, animal fat is so bad... are thankfully being debunked by science. We, as human beings, have relied on meat, red meat actually, for millions of years to evolve but, all of a sudden is pretty much poison? Really? Do these biased and well supported by plant food industries scientists - who put out those observational studies- think no one is going to question it?

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Dennis Clark
Dennis Clark

This guy got destroyed!

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Sean Whitehall
Sean Whitehall

Peanut butter sandwich time!

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Zayn Mondavi
Zayn Mondavi

James is a former UFC professional fighter, and he is a martial arts trainer for the US marines. Honestly I’d follow teachings of him as he can walk the walk and talk the talk even though I’m not a Vegan. It’s like Bruce Lee once said “Learn everything follow only what’s good for you, keeps what’s better for you, absorb goodness and reject useless”

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The Ecocentrist Misanthropic Vegan
The Ecocentrist Misanthropic Vegan

What stops you from going plant-based?

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xB0RNFR0MPAINx
xB0RNFR0MPAINx

Damn meat is on the ropes but James won't stop stomping on it...

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JanaGardi
JanaGardi

I mean...poor Chris. James was amazing.

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N L
N L

Clearly Joe is biased... If I had doubts re veganism.... This debate sealed it. Chris and Joe could not argue fairly

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Axle
Axle

Tyson/butcher box must have hired some help for damage control , some comments here are delusional and seem directed at purposefully aimed at confusing/discouraging viewers on the comments section Repetitive...calling james ,a bully asshole, etc Just for defending his film from all the bullshit those two clowns filmed on their "game changers debunk"

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Steve Levesque
Steve Levesque

james is an idiot

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Malwina Wajda
Malwina Wajda

James Wilks uses unfair tools from eristic alot. I have really bad impression about him.

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zelda sayre no.2
zelda sayre no.2

i’m vegan and consume vegan content so i never get animal food ads but on this vid all i’m getting is cheese and type 2 diabetes medicine ads LMAO

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neuroblossom
neuroblossom

an absolute massacre, quite hard to watch actually. RIP Chris Kresser

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Zully
Zully

eat what you want just dont eat no dutty pig

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GrowStrong7
GrowStrong7

Documentary was good... Podcast was interesting..... But comments section is pure entertainment :)

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Michael Cortez
Michael Cortez

Chris is am example of why thin doesn’t equal healthy. “Please, answer the question.” Okay, Joe. How about give him a chance and not keep interrupting him and let the damn man speak and explain. This is basically 2v1 and it’s sad.

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Rugby Analysis
Rugby Analysis

Funny.. There's research about red meat treating aggression. Wilks could do with a few rare steaks by the looks of things.

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Zully
Zully

james is killing the debate wth his bullshit your wrong abc blah blah

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Guilherme Martin Somlo
Guilherme Martin Somlo

This is bullshit! Joe Rogan is so disingenuous! bullshit debate.

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Dj Eazy (Walking Dead Recs)
Dj Eazy (Walking Dead Recs)

Chris left the studio walking like bambi on ice

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Plantsoul
Plantsoul

Please do a Game Changers 2!!

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Seth Steele
Seth Steele

I like how James is having to debate Chris and Joe at the same time yet still somehow comes out on top.

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Dead Moon
Dead Moon

Chris looks like he's shit himself

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Axle
Axle

He looks like a corpse

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Plantsoul
Plantsoul

I didn't think I could love James Wilks more! I was wrong!

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Donna Bekkema-Pace
Donna Bekkema-Pace

Wilks is a bully and an asshole

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Axle
Axle

How? By defending his film?

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FunkSoulTV
FunkSoulTV

The nervous energy of this James Wilks guy is exhausting to watch. He keeps interrupting and doesn't listen, and his reasoning and presentation skills are terrible to put it mildly. Watch the entire podcast, folks-- he's being slayed left and right by Joe and Chris it's hysterical. Question: Are you still vegan if you do coke?

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FunkSoulTV
FunkSoulTV

@Julian Parra Apart from your apparent cognitive defect, you seem cranky. Have you had your B12 shot?

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Julian Parra
Julian Parra

How much of a dumb fuck can you be😂James slapped both joe and the other fool with facts. It was a 2v1 argument and he still came out on top. So many instances of Chris admitting he’s wrong it’s sad

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Daniil Ishchenko
Daniil Ishchenko

Mr. Mad Eyes spoke so well, that I am simply afraid to speak to veggies now. But will definitely keep on meat, not to become like hiim.)))) One this is for sure: veganism is more of a cult, rather than anything else. Logic is absent in total. Now we know, that "I'm a combative instructor" is as annoying as "I'm a vegan".

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Jonathan
Jonathan

you should get Amber O'Hearn on the podcast. She, along with others like Ivor Cummins, are my #1 references for carnivore and heart disease

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Jon M
Jon M

Joe's dishonest.

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Jon M
Jon M

The vegan embarrassed these two fools.

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Daddy Dangerous
Daddy Dangerous

James just got himself a bitch.

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dudo247
dudo247

So James showed that Chris did not know about livestock B12 supplements, that he miscalculated spoons of peanut butter, and that he did not read ONE one-of-a-kind study in existance about protein amount and quality that came out one month prior the podcast, so at least a year after the movie was released. All the other points like cancer, cardiovascular issues, nutrient deficiency were not successfully defended by James. Great job? I do not think so. On top of it, he was being rude, and it seemed like he tried to discredit Chris as a professional more than Chris's claims. It is true that Chris needs to be more thorough when collecting data. However his complex approach to research data and nutrition is still one of the best I have seen. Chris should also take some rhetoric class because with a little knowlegde he could easily neutralize James's verbal attacks. I am definitely not satisfied with Joe who was being too passive in steering of the discussion.

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Axle
Axle

@dudo247 he came on to defend those statements in particular that Chris and joe misrepresented on the "game changers debunk" episode Not to prove the points that your complaining about

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dudo247
dudo247

I do not agree that those were the biggest topics. The bigest topic that should have been discussed is, if meat in omnivore diet is bad for you or not. Everyone at the table agrees that in general you can eat only plant based diet if you do it smart.

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shivam nandi
shivam nandi

What are you saying? The 2 biggest B12 and protein point was well defended by James. There wasn't much time left to discuss else. James was very well prepared.

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Kori Nielsen
Kori Nielsen

Days later and I finally made it through...I think it's time to watch the doc now haha

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Kori Nielsen
Kori Nielsen

@Karla Salinas Yes I am :) I have a lot of documentaries to watch...

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Karla Salinas
Karla Salinas

@Kori Nielsenthat's awesome! When people tell me they're vegan too, it makes me feel a lot better. Because at first I was so overwhelmed that I would cry myself to sleep and I would dream myself outside a butcher type place crying and begging people to buy the animals from them. Are you watching game changers?

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Kori Nielsen
Kori Nielsen

@Karla Salinas I am watching it now! Vegan almost 5 years now, but still making my way through all the documentaries. Thanks for the suggestion and for your kindness :)

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Karla Salinas
Karla Salinas

It's a great one! I've seen all the vegan documentaries and it's by far one of the best one's out there. If you are persuaded and decide to give veganism a try, then another great one is the intelligence squared debate where the motion was don't eat anything with face. Two experts in their fields battle it out in 3 rounds. Needless to say the vegan argument won. Thank you for considering being kind to all animals. I really appreciate it.

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Karla Salinas
Karla Salinas

This is just awesome! Made the meat diet look really bad...

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deleted4109
deleted4109

Forest plots 🤣

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icturner23
icturner23

Come on Joe, after James Wilks definitively proved that a plant-based diet was optimal for health, why do you continue to make desperate anti-vegan content, such as with Miley "It was eating plant-based that damaged my brain, definitely not taking drugs since I was a child" Cyrus and Mike "I'm definitely not brain-damaged from blows to the head and have no history of deranged or erratic behaviour" Tyson?

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haru glory
haru glory

Because the argument here is just folly and stupid? Lol vegans belief everything people say!

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Axle
Axle

@JanaGardi I think they have hired people to comment on here too since this was so embarrassing for them

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Axle
Axle

@JanaGardi straight up shill of the shilliest sort, lying and dissing veg diet every chance he gets. Because meat companies know they are wrong so they gotta make up b.s to confuse people

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JanaGardi
JanaGardi

@Axle Thanks for that!! This is the only reason he does what he does

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Axle
Axle

@JanaGardi yes he is! butcher box/tyson, look up his sponsors

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deleted4109
deleted4109

I thought he was being extra but he is just a man that made a documentary to help people and he is proud of it and is proving his points

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ukpkmkk
ukpkmkk

No, he's an illogical and emotional bitch. James needs his beat for bullying Chris like that. Y'all are punks for cheering him on.

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the LT station
the LT station

Right, he is not being extra at all. He is being on point. Very appropriate

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Karla Salinas
Karla Salinas

But it's 2 against one. That's so not fair

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Karla Salinas
Karla Salinas

@Jon M 😆 LOL

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Jon M
Jon M

It wasn't fair to Joe and Chris. They needed more help

Vor 15 Tage
D H
D H

10 minutes in and this is brutal to watch... James says things and then goes back on what he says three minutes later...

Vor 15 Tage
Axle
Axle

@D H I agree Chris looked like a complete fool

Vor 13 Tage
Axle
Axle

@D H this is brutal to watch! James made kresser his bitch...all Chris could do was admit bieng wrong on several points.

Vor 13 Tage
D H
D H

@Jon M I'm an hour in. I'll probably finish it at some point, but so far he's looked like a fool

Vor 15 Tage
D H
D H

@deleted4109 I watched an hour. He's an idiot.

Vor 15 Tage
Jon M
Jon M

Keep watching, he schooled both of them.

Vor 15 Tage
The Truth Pal
The Truth Pal

James is extremely annoying

Vor 15 Tage
The Truth Pal
The Truth Pal

@Axle pal I don't owe you a fucking thing 🤣. I already watched the entire podcast. Try paying attention. James literally only was right on the 1 thing about b12 and it's not even 100% true.only partially. Get good

Vor 12 Tage
Axle
Axle

@The Truth Pal uh huh sure bud...if it's that easy to find how bout that time stamp

Vor 12 Tage
The Truth Pal
The Truth Pal

@Axle it's literally in the first 10 or 15min. You chose purposely not to hear it

Vor 12 Tage
Axle
Axle

@The Truth Pal timestamp? Or it's b.s

Vor 12 Tage
The Truth Pal
The Truth Pal

@Axle he also said he doesn't recommend it lol ,🤡

Vor 12 Tage
Maurizio Strazzeri
Maurizio Strazzeri

nope, james moves the goal posts, doesnt answer questions, talks over and diverts.

Vor 15 Tage
Axle
Axle

@Maurizio Strazzeri timestamps? I saw joe and Chris ganging up on him ..changing the goalpost as well

Vor 13 Tage
Maurizio Strazzeri
Maurizio Strazzeri

@Axle see my original comment

Vor 13 Tage
Axle
Axle

@Maurizio Strazzeri how so?

Vor 13 Tage
Maurizio Strazzeri
Maurizio Strazzeri

@Axle con man styles lol

Vor 13 Tage
Axle
Axle

Nawww he's just defending his film

Vor 14 Tage
Tom
Tom

They needed to agree on a definition of 'showed no evidence'. I think that was were it was going wrong during the first 30 minutes. If I looked out of my windows every minute to see if I could see a dog walker, and saw 'no evidence' of dog walkers, it doesn't mean there weren't any dog walkers, it just means my study was flawed. Joe and Chris are equating 'no evidence' with the hypothesis is false.

Vor 16 Tage
Tom
Tom

@deleted4109 Ive still only watched 50 minutes so far but I can really see that they seem to have a bias or something against James. I'm not on either's side yet, I'm leaning towards Cgris' side. but you can see the way they dismiss what James says without taking in what James is saying, digesting and analysing it. From what I've seen, James could be better at getting his point across. The way he tried to set up the running of the debate probably started him off on the wrong foot. And from then on it was an uphill battle for him. I know it's his documentary so he's the one in the spotlight, but they could have done better to mute their own bias'. There's even a point were Joe realises this bias and forcefully turns to face Chris and say something like 'hold on for a minute, lets say you are right Chris, explain xyz'. To try and take some of the heat off James. Probably because he could see it just seemed James was being interrogated! I reckon James and Chris have serious... Beef... And that stood in the way of this debate

Vor 15 Tage
deleted4109
deleted4109

Exactly I’m happy James pointed that out will make me look at statistics differently now people are using no evidence in their own favour

Vor 15 Tage
David Cummins
David Cummins

Joe is clearly trying to prove a point, well done James, good debate and you came with facts instead of just an argument.

Vor 16 Tage
rodiusmaximus
rodiusmaximus

@Doctor Drake easy example is him comparing vegan to lean meat and accusing the other dude of shit. Yes, everyone agrees that animal fat is bad. But if you're comparing protein sources, the facts are right there. His argument is basically, "my 1 zucchini has less calories, more protein and less fat than your 2 burgers with fries and coke"

Vor 3 Stunden
ukpkmkk
ukpkmkk

He spent the entire time dissproving the points that mattered the least about Chris' argument and bullied him whenever he tried to repsond. You guys are too emotinal to understand logic.

Vor 4 Tage
Abstract Approach
Abstract Approach

@Doctor Drake I'm not down to waste a ton of time listing the bullshit, but comparing vegan's to typical american eaters was just one example of him drawing wild conclusions. Everything else I mentioned is in there too, anyone with half a scientific cell in their brain could see this misleading propaganda for what it is. Again, I'm not saying veganism isn't the way yo go. Personally I think vegan + fish; but there's good arguments for vegan alone, there just not coming from this guy.

Vor 8 Tage
Doctor Drake
Doctor Drake

@Abstract Approach your name fits you well, all abstract trash talk and no examples

Vor 8 Tage
Abstract Approach
Abstract Approach

Really dude; I agree there is strong arguments for veganism, but they're not coming from this guy. He's making straw-man arguments, drawing wild conclusions, making logical fallacies, arguing semantics and little things to distract from huge holes in his presentation.

Vor 9 Tage
Akemedis
Akemedis

A guy that educated himself by rigorously analysing primary literature VS a guy that browses articles on the internet.

Vor 16 Tage
Pop Corn
Pop Corn

I don’t usually comment but this is my take, Using veganism as a prescribed diet plan rather than a lifelong conversion in order to achieve time specific and health specific results. Taking into consideration some of the negative longe term effects of vegan eating as well as the overwhelmingly positive effects of vegan eating short term. Using the diet as a tool or a remedy for these inflammatory diseases and complications and then re-enabling the patient to consume meat based on their specific health needs.

Vor 16 Tage
AGUSTIN CABRERA
AGUSTIN CABRERA

Joe Rogan is full of shit and obviously been paid to debunk vegans. Why bring only one vegan and two pro meat eaters. Obvious they tried to gang up on James. Two on two experts would have been a fair even ground on this cross interview. Totally loss of respect and credentials for Joe

Vor 16 Tage
krm24seven
krm24seven

If you don't like meat then don't eat it. Thats your chose. And eating meat is mines so dont try to take away my chose with legislation.

Vor 17 Tage
Jon M
Jon M

Who said anything about legislation? Maybe, I didn't get there yet.

Vor 15 Tage
FlossOrDie
FlossOrDie

Wow I could only make it to 21 minutes. The vegan guy doesn't even understand basic logic.

Vor 17 Tage
Jon M
Jon M

Keep watching, the vegan owned both of them.

Vor 15 Tage
Leo King
Leo King

15 minutes in and Chris and joe have shown their intelligence levels through this podcast and tbh they don’t have ANY strong rebuttals to any point James has made.

Vor 17 Tage
INEEDTOVAPE
INEEDTOVAPE

I just saw a master of Nutrition get destroyed by a UFC fighter

Vor 17 Tage

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