I Can't Believe Intel is Selling This. - Intel Arc A370M

Hobbes
Hobbes

This is so incredibly disappointing to see, but at the same time, I'm still hopeful. I desperately wanted ARC to be good to help break the duopoly. I'll give it time though, like you said, Ryzen needed time as well!

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CD yt
CD yt

It is good just that the architechture is different from that of nvidia's 3050. And many games have an architechture more suitable to that of other gpus, such as nvidia's. This video is clickbait and pretty unbased.

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Allxtend
Allxtend

@SignUp-Man #42 and AMD ist the only one WHO build Last and current Gen. Of apu's but people forget about that right ? AMD was the First one WHO used hbm and Ther nano gpu's was awesome but people was dumb and got a GTX 1050 for more Money and less Performance then a rx 570

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Sageslayer
Sageslayer

Shouldn't expect much from the first generation. This is really an alpha that you can currently buy. I wouldn't expect intel arc to be decent until the 3rd generation of GPU's

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Jianyu Hua
Jianyu Hua

there will be a triopoly

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shakthi Velan. R
shakthi Velan. R

Now Ryzen is rock n rollin

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LCTRgames
LCTRgames

Intel should perhaps have launched this 1st generation as a loss leader, make it the bang-for-buck choice without the performance or stability. Then moved prices closer to parity when the next gen arrives and things are on a more solid footing

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Adam Fanning
Adam Fanning

That's what they're doing now

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John Doh
John Doh

Right but Intel has AIB partners, and THEY don"t want to take a loss, so Intel would have to pay them money, on a GPU generation where the R&D budget is high, the problems many, the actual products look like they're at least $160 to break even because of how bulky they are with the cooling. But an A380 performs almost as good as a 6400. AMD could undercut Intel all year long, with both being on TSMC, but Intel being on a more expensive N6 and AMD on N7. A 6400 is a TINY GPU that's single slot and needs very little cooling. That's just a bad spot for Intel all the way around. And they can't release in Western markets until they fix almost all the software issues, or RMAs or lawsuits start hitting hard. Consumers in China might not have much protection, but consumers in the West do.

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Buck Eye
Buck Eye

Intel should have perhaps not sat on their ass for 10+ years milking a good thing. Just a 🤔

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HamidKarzai
HamidKarzai

@Lawrence Blackbourne I feel like it's an even bigger risk to release a faulty product at a high price and take a hit to your reputation like this. If they're going to invest in this sector they should go all the way, sell em at a loss but a fair price so that people in the future won't steer clear of you when you do get it right. They shouldn't have expected the first gen to render a profit, as it's basically still part of the R&D

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vp
vp

Boss leader

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Zachary Wiebe
Zachary Wiebe

I feel bad for the engineers here. It feels like they were pushed to hard by the marketing people to launch their product before it was ready. Don't forget, it's really hard to make a good gpu.

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John Durrett
John Durrett

@Brent Lidstone Follow the money. They needed to get paid.

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Antonio Pimentel
Antonio Pimentel

the logic is 100% they wanted to compare their first gen gpus to current gen AMD and Nvidia and not run the risk of waiting a few more months and get rolled by the new gen gpus even harder

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cmn
cmn

Marketing DOES not run a company - senior management runs the company. Now the question is who they listened to and it obvious they didn't listen to the engineers and the techs.

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ReV_DeatH
ReV_DeatH

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Bad Drivers Of The NorCal Area
Bad Drivers Of The NorCal Area

No one falls for your fake investment comments, you sound like the robot that’s calls about my cars extended warranty.

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tokkyuuressha
tokkyuuressha

Software hiccups were rather expected considering intel's track record on gpu drivers. The price is a big issue though. I understand they want to make the R&D back but selling it way above 3050 is insane.

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HoveringAboveMyself
HoveringAboveMyself

@Random Nobody They mean the mobile version, some OEMs have released refreshes that replace the RTX 3050 with an Arc 370m at the same or higher prices rather than sell it as a cheaper option, though it is not clear if Intel is at fault for such moves.

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Random Nobody
Random Nobody

Wait, above 3050? Isn't the currently released 3 whatever like 130 dollars or something?

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Damara226
Damara226

They will be pushed by the market to lower the pricing anyway. Simply no one gonna buy arc unless it's significantly cheaper than competing product.

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Wynard
Wynard

So Intel messed up the software side of things and now they really have to get this back on track fast before everyone associates their GPUs with bad performance and constant crashes. Getting beat by their own iGPUs in gaming performance is also a big oof, even if the focus of this isn't gaming.

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tokkyuuressha
tokkyuuressha

To be fair it was ryzen iGPU, but that's still an oof. At this point why bother buying ARC when you can skip dGPU, spend more on a good ryzen chip and get more CPU performance with same tier of GPU.

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XonereX
XonereX

Damn, I was really hoping for a stronger start. I really hope Intel sticks with it and keeps improving. We NEED another viable competitor

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Mark Lwembe
Mark Lwembe

@VTOLfreak I don't think that'll happen. The most recent changes in leadership at Intel is becoming more focused on innovation because they see AMD getting ahead and it was partly attributed to Intel having someone with a Business background and not Engineering as CEO which is essentially how AMD got their footing back when they hired Lisa Su and what Intel hope to gain by re-hiring Patrick Gelsinger. I hope this put's your mind more at ease but then again one hire doesn't mean Intel are back in the game. We can only wait.

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Emarond
Emarond

@Wild Biker Bill yeah because I saw it with oled, in linus's video on whyyou shouldn't be an early adopter he showed his oled tv, and it was apperently experinceing burnin, but when the swich oled came out, someone left it on with a static image for months and after a way longer time than linus's screen it got unnoticalbe burnin

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Tams80
Tams80

This was foreseeable from miles away.

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Wild Biker Bill
Wild Biker Bill

And this is why you never buy the first year release of something. It will be interesting to see where Intel is with this in another 12 months.

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SmokeTinyTom
SmokeTinyTom

It's not an instant market dominance entry, but it'll steal away enough customers that they'll have the other two take notice.

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Gatsu
Gatsu

Damn, I was hoping their experience on integrated GPU would help avoid a rough start.

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Cynical Leftist
Cynical Leftist

I'm glad they're failing. The biggest half of the duopoly in CPU space for the past 2-3 decades successfully entering GPU space is a loss for everyone in computing space. The answer to too little competition isn't to allow one of the biggest companies in computing to begin branching into another, related market, where they can start trying to crush more competition. All the big tech corporations should be broken up and forced to compete with each other.

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Yari
Yari

@incon of course?

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incon
incon

@Yari open source drivers that are officially supported will always be better than proprietary drivers.

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Yari
Yari

@Dylan even on Linux open source drivers? and that's officially supported too.

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Dylan
Dylan

Their iGPU drivers suck too so I don't know why you thought that. Lol.

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13thZephyr
13thZephyr

That was still a very forgiving review IMO, to compare when AMD released Ryzen with all the issues you need to consider they were a company at the brink of bankruptcy but Intel on the other hand has tons of cash burn heck they could have sent units to beta testers all around the world to help identify the bugs so that they can iron it out before the release.

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Siana Gearz
Siana Gearz

They have seeded the units to less public figures and they have their own QA, they have been aware that the situation is to put it mildly shit for at least half a year now. Testing possibly pushed back due to production issues and delay in silicon, and then you can't just grow a driver team, there aren't just hundreds of jobless driver specialists floating about, it will take them time regardless of their financial might to shake this one out. There just isn't a way to rush things. But yeah this will be a product line to avoid for who knows how long to come, could be months, could be years. Corporate bean counters will still end up buying them though when business divisions request a machine with a GPU, Intel has a sort of push there, connections; and people who will end up being frustrated at their job due to them are not our problem.

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Just Some Person
Just Some Person

The surprising part of the news that Intel's GPU software/firmware has issues? That it actually ran as well as it did. No, seriously. As someone who wrote 3D visualization software for decades, the chaos of unreproducible, seemingly nonsense, bug reports that in no way improved with code hardening were by far and away mostly from customers that used Intel graphics hardware. The rest were Matrox graphics hardware in the early years, and VMs - VirtualBox especially - in the later years. Intel + graphics = Bad Things. And now they're making discreet GPUs of that mess? They've failed for decades, why Git Gud now?

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ZboC5
ZboC5

Intel has always had video driver issues, going back as far as I can remember. A fair number of us even said as much when we learned Intel was trying this again. Drivers is what doomed them last time and they better step it up or this will be another fail. Their integrated graphics drivers have always been just adequate so not sure why anybody is surprised by this.

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GeneralLee131
GeneralLee131

AMD has decades more experience with high performance graphics and they still have tons of issues that take a long time to sort out. They recently released a driver update that doubled OpenGL performance. This was performance locked away for the entire time you owned the relevant series of cards. They've also historically had hardware problems resulting in early death of the cards. Nvidia on the other hand is the only company that can get display drivers correct, and as a result, always has the best performance and highest reliability across the board. The occasional bug wouldn't be an issue of GPUs were still reasonably priced, but today the GPU is 1/2 the price of the entire system. With such a large investment required, its hard to justify being a beta tester when you could just buy Nvidia and never have any problems. I'm not a team green fanboy either. I'd like to see their competition beat on them more. But when you're spending $1000-1500 on a single component, it HAS to be right, and Nvidia objectively nails it every time.

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Damara226
Damara226

Well for anything except gaming the drivers were fine. They didn't really put much development into gaming drivers until like 2-3years ago because the igpus didn't have performance for gaming anyway and served mostly for displaying stuff and encode/decode

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crashniels
crashniels

Their Linux drivers are much better though. Not that most users are going to use Linux but they have better and more stable ones already. Why not try and get it working for Windows ?

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sinni800
sinni800

@I lick the insides of microwave popcorn packages I've had a similar one to LTT: Where Windows 10 will keep installing a non working driver, on a Windows Vista laptop. And yeah I know, we're going beyond "supported" age here, but the laptop runs fine, if Windows update just wouldn't roll back the damn driver and make the laptop screen go black every time...

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I lick the insides of microwave popcorn packages
I lick the insides of microwave popcorn packages

​@Leo Vang That is never the case unless the iGPU either just straight up doesn't have enough performance or doesn't have necessary features. I'm talking about games like Fallout 3 or the original Witcher. Both games will run on an iGPU, they just refuse to do so out of the box and require a bypass

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Alex Huang
Alex Huang

love to see that despite LTT being sponsored by intel so much, they're so open and honest about things that intel are failing at

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DesertCookie
DesertCookie

@อัญชลี It's been an LTT insider for many years now. They once had an April fools video where they announced he sold LTT to Nvidia.

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อัญชลี
อัญชลี

@DesertCookie Who's parent company is Nvidia? What are you talking about?

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I'm Jonny
I'm Jonny

That's why I recommend their reviews. They are not on the same level of someone like Hardware Nexus. But they make active efforts to stay away from sucking sponsor pp and they point things out HONESTLY. This review alone is 100% damaging for Intel's ARC GPUs. But it showcased the fact that it's, just like Linus talked about 1st gen Ryzen, a start. And beginnings are never easy. Let's hope the top ARC GPU will be at least capable of competing with an RTX 3060 Ti. And if they can, then that is hands down a total win. Second gen is gonna polish out the bullshit and it's gonna do better.

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Alexander Arias
Alexander Arias

Intel and their endless pockets couldn't have dropped the ball more than this release its going to leave a sour taste in many consumers mouths especially those who might not be as tech savy as enthusiasts, I hope they can turn it around because competition is what we need right now.

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Zaubermaus
Zaubermaus

i remember my first AMD (at that time it was still ATI) graphics card, it was a 4MB ATI 3D Rage Pro and it was the worst decision i ever made regarding pc hardware... literally *everyone* else i knew back then opted for the 4MB Matrox Mystique card and left me in the dust while paying less. ATI released a "turbo" driver *one* year later, that increased the speed about 30%. it was still far behind the mystique's capabilities but it showed how unoptimized this card really was at release.

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Paul Frederick
Paul Frederick

@Kai AMD was founded in 1969. That's 53 years ago.

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Kai
Kai

@Paul Frederick of course it's gonna be old, ATI branding ceased to exist like 10 years ago

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Paul Frederick
Paul Frederick

@Red Pill Satori I didn't get as far as 4 MB or 512 MB but even 512 MB would be extremely low VRAM today. I would think 4 GB would be a minimum amount anymore.

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Red Pill Satori
Red Pill Satori

@Paul Frederick Yeah. I was wondering about that. Also, doesn't he mean 4GB? If we're talking only 4MB of GPU RAM then these must be from 30+ years ago. EDIT: OK, I see now that the 4MB in the name isn't representative of the RAM. These actually have 512MB of RAM.

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Paul Frederick
Paul Frederick

ATI was never AMD. AMD bought ATI. AMD is a very old company that predates PCs entirely.

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Ryan Bates
Ryan Bates

I thought years back that an engineer at Intel said that they didn't want to make dedicated GPUs because getting drivers right was a nightmare. Perhaps it was someone else saying something about it, I'm not able to find any articles, so it might be something that no one ever said and I'm just imagining things. Hopefully they're able to iron things out with their drivers somewhat quickly, but it's going to be a long time before they reach maturity.

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Ken Wagner
Ken Wagner

I really had high hopes for this. It had seemed that intel was putting in serious effort into this project. I really hope they sort out the bugs as I really don't want to buy another Nvidia GPU just because of the way they treated their normal customers the crypto crysis.

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iammike
iammike

It's interesting that, to my ears, it sounds like Intel is going a more Apple approach to this package by, yes, having good GPU gaming performance but putting a lot of focus on exceptional performance in specific tasks such as encoding/decoding and ML.

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manaquri
manaquri

Tbh it makes sense to fight on that front, as they will lose on performance/price.

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Satoru Gojo
Satoru Gojo

Intel simply needs more time to grow and blossom. With more software support, driver updates, development, and further engineering, I think Intel can really bring what we need to the table to provide lower and middle end options to begin growing into their own.

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me2olive
me2olive

Bear in mind that Windows Update screwing you on driver updates you've manually installed from Intel even happens on *Surface* devices. And that's been the case for years.

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AVPE
AVPE

I think Intel will get the drivers right just like AMD. A new competitor in the GPU space is very welcome 🙏🏽 🤗

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Ydfhlx
Ydfhlx

Windows rolling back drivers is not an Intel exclusive problem. For my AMD integrated GPU, it by default installs drivers from 09/2020. It's probably just Windows being Windows.

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Marios Michael
Marios Michael

@AzuraelX It is the OEM's problem (atleast to the 3 laptops that I have checked)

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Zaber Freedom
Zaber Freedom

A massive reason I have always disabled windows update, too many compatibility issues, and microsoft trying to say my windows isn't legit (I have a legit installation disk), because I have reinstalled, or had to replace numerous hdd's, I have horrible luck with hdd, sshd, and ssd, all sata drives, yet I have an old IDE hdd over 16 years old that still works like new.

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I killed that beard guy
I killed that beard guy

@Ms Penelopy it will stop all drivers from being updated or just gpu drivers?

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Lua
Lua

Windows being a mess regarding drivers? What a surprise. (Please note the sarcasm.)

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Harry W
Harry W

I still have this issue with my amd discrete GPU sometimes lol. Windows update is still windows update.

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Javier O. Cordero Pérez
Javier O. Cordero Pérez

Wow, I've just realized that I'm the target audience for the higher tiers of this product, assuming that it'd work consistently on Linux. Keep the videos coming! If it's this dodgy on Windows, Linux will be the same or worse, but I want to see when the situation changes.

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Valera Fox
Valera Fox

🔥🔥🔥💪

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It's Akile
It's Akile

Not an easy task so I'm giving them the benefit of doubt time to improve, I want to see Arc to shine like It potentially can. feature-set and branding is strong, but it has to work

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Nick Miller
Nick Miller

I would love to see a video that's a compilation of cool (relatively) new tech that's worth buying, from small gadgets to bigger things like laptops. It's hard to keep up with everything going on

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yensteel
yensteel

The last time there was a serious Nvidia/AMD(ATI) competitor was XGI with their Volari Cards. They sadly couldn't compete but fairly priced their cards still. 3dfx was an earlier example, and was dominant for a time. Been waiting for a long time to see a 3rd challenger. This is a tough industry, so best of luck Intel.

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Eldibs
Eldibs

They don't have the experience building actual powerful GPUs and their drivers, so they can't keep pace with AMD/nVidia, both in product quality and in iteration time. Maybe after a few iterations they will keep up, and I really hope they do because the GPU space needs some more competition.

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Arnab Das
Arnab Das

@Little Jackalo Hmm, 4 people including me. So 1st time may be a rarity, 2nd time is coincidence, 3rd time is confirmation. And those were purchased from 2015 to 2017. So maybe recent models won't have this problem but what do I know, I am just a user that had bad experience along with my friends and nothing changes that. Still it's odd to see laptops not having proper settings in bios to address this issue even in 2015. You might be an hp fan so you do you, Ok.

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Little Jackalo
Little Jackalo

@Arnab Das "me and ALL my friend's who bought HP"? How many people do you personally know that bought an HP laptop with discrete graphics? You say "ALL my friends" like you know 5 or 10 people who: 1) bought an HP, 2) bought an HP with discrete graphics, and 3) had that issue happen. I'm calling bs. So put a number on "ALL" your friends. 1 other person? 2? Certainly not more than 3.

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Siana Gearz
Siana Gearz

@Arnab Das HP doesn't make laptops, nobody engineers their own laptops. It's more useful to figure out who really is responsible for this mess, it might be Wistron or Compal. For that matter I have a Compal-made Lenovo with a dGPU and they had done a weird thing, they made a bug in brightness control ACPI (seems so) or miswired it in hardware (less likely) and to paper over it, shipped a modified iGPU driver. You can guess how that goes from Windows updates. I scoured through the registry and isolated the compatibility keys that the original driver installer writes. I had a full registry export from the system with a stock driver and with just the driver updated and compared them to figure out the differences, and something with compatibility flags caught my eye. Once applied on top of a driver shipped by Windows Update or installed independently, these hold across updates just fine, since the uninstaller of the driver that gets invoked during auto update no longer kills them. So I've been having a working solution for now 9 years and several generations of system updates. Of course Lenovo/HP etc are responsible for the product experience towards the customer, but the underlying engineering flaws are OEM's. I have absolutely traced down the modified files being signed by Compal in my case. I think they have maybe a similar customisation on yours that controls the video crossbar or some sort of compatibility thing.

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MrMonotone
MrMonotone

@Keith C To be fair, there was a *lot* of competition, and rapid changes, in the early 3d years - nvidia, intel, 3dfx, matrox, s3, 3Dlabs, ATI, etc.

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MrMonotone
MrMonotone

@You 2be Perhaps for the expectations of this particular laptop the performance won't be good enough - but a large percentage of people won't care if a card isn't that fast, not everyone plays games or otherwise needs a high performance card. If it's good value, that will be good enough for many, likewise just significantly outperforming integrated graphics will be enough. Considering the amount of bugs, it also seems reasonably likely performance will improve once bugs are sorted. A 3050 is expensive for 'entry level'. Hardware reviewers are likewise very insular, focusing excessively on the high end.

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Nick
Nick

I like the idea of having Intel GPUs on the market and given time, I'm sure Intel can make the idea work. Just wish Intel could focus some on gaming. The gaming GPU industry needs new competition.

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Craig Cordeiro
Craig Cordeiro

Wow, thanks for alleviating the buyers remorse I had for getting the 11th gen model so close to the 12th gen Spectre launch. Much appreciated!

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Chuck Peck
Chuck Peck

I was debating some months ago whether to go for the ARC Intel when it finally released or go for some other GPU once it finally went down to MSRP. I am glad I went for the RX6600 when it reached MSRP; to place in a new rig I built that was waiting for a decent GPU for half a year!

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Fabrizio Masciangioli
Fabrizio Masciangioli

The main thing I takeaway from this video is, I'm glad LMG is even able to say these things about Intel's new product considering how tightly integrated the sponsorships from Intel are with many of the things LMG does.

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Gidi
Gidi

@LMG - I think you can improve the graph view portions in your videos. Consider the small animation: "blur all but one sentence or area on the screen" - like a wave spreading to all sides from the focused area blurring as it goes. AND also, sequence the focus movement on the graph view gently, so: (guide the focus) 1. Put focus on title above for 2 seconds 2. Do a 2-second focus move from title to the bottom title - focusing on "higher/lower is better" (for 2 more seconds) 3. Accompanying the narrator, when he/she focus on noting one specific difference in the graph - move the focus over the compared elements. All that to solve the problem of changing focused area on screen, forcing a video stop to observe the connection between the remarked difference and the viewed one. at least for me :) Some more small stuff: 1. Place the name of the tested element right at end of the bar, since our focus is drawn first to the bar difference it's easier to connect the bar diff to the element diff (no need to look back to the left) 2. If you are showing more than one graph, but all are related to 2 (or 3 max) tested elements, than you can assign a color to an element and regulated the viewer to the color connection before showing graphs. 3. Place the "higher/lower is better" next to the header (remove the need to look to more than 2 locations on screen), you can also use 2 Icons instead of the sentence.

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Francesco Giuseppe Aragona
Francesco Giuseppe Aragona

OMG! You really steamrolled it. Well, you're absolutely right and I think Intel should fix it asap. I hoped Intel could avoid another i740 moment, and if it's true that it's hard to nail everything at first try, it's also true that, as you said, Intel is one of the largest tech companies in the world, so they shouldn't give such a bad user experience. I've been hearing Intel is having drivers and software issues for months now, so this review is not really a surprise. I guess that's the reason why they launched in China first, so in a market they're gonna lose anyway for geopolytical reasons.

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General Nickles
General Nickles

I feel like a lot of these problems can be chocked up to "early adoption". As Intel improves drivers, a lot of these things should get a lot better.

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jazzgott
jazzgott

I remember buying an intel GPU (well, a vga with graphics accelerator) before. It was the Intel i740. Installing the driver and directx on Windows 95 and making it work with the AMD K6-2 CPU was a frigging nightmare! I have spent weeks trying to make it work, and when it finely did, the performance was meh at best. It looks like the history is repeating itself.

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Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

Honestly they had to ship something, this is EXACTLY what I was expecting. That said what matters to me, is encoding and power efficiency. So I'm still super hopeful as a result. Really I think Intel is 2 or 3 years from a being a true competitor for Nvidia in the media space.

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Allxtend
Allxtend

10 years and not 2-3 AMD destroyed Intel with ryzen because AMD ist as Long as Intel in the GPU Market and Intel got Just lazy and Like scamers in the CPU Market, but in the GPU Market there ist Intel faaaar behind Nvidia and amd

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Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

@Some Guy Amd's encoder really sucks compared to even Intel's quick sync. And the x265 encoding is a buggy mess outside of Nvidia.

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Ram Krishan Charan
Ram Krishan Charan

Yeah, remember the leap from Rx 5000 series to Rx 6000 series

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Salvo C
Salvo C

more like 200 years

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Stacey Bright
Stacey Bright

@Droplifter Intel is very much a company used to operating on the strength of its brand. If you're thinking about the generally uninformed consumer, they wouldn't really think twice about an Intel logo on a GPU product. They would have to be told that its bad. It's been easy to acquire an AMD GPU for some time now, but they have been sitting on shelves. I've actually genuinely wanted an all AMD laptop, but they've been basically unavailable. So this Intel mobile dGPU will probably still sell plenty by default, but I don't expect them to be moving many desktop units anytime soon.

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iterator9000
iterator9000

I'm still hopeful that they will support vGPU partitioning. Would love to put a future model in a server for various workloads.

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Allxtend
Allxtend

Then use AMD or Nvidia gpus that are Made that for and wola.

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FainOnFire
FainOnFire

I feel like companies need a beta testing program where they can bring in regular consumers to test drive their hardware through every day use cases. This way they can find these bugs and issues before an actual launch instead of charging people $2000+ on a faulty product to be an unpaid beta tester.

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Jeramy's Vintage Hillbilly Shack
Jeramy's Vintage Hillbilly Shack

It seems history has repeated itself once again. I'm old enough to remember Intel's first foray into discreet graphics, the dumpster fire known as the i740. That one was so bad that it made Intel focus on their line of IGPs. I really do hope that Intel succeeds this time in bringing a formidable third player to the table of gaming GPUs.

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ボロ EU
ボロ EU

Well getting things work well enough out is Intel's strong selling point. I was telling some people to get Ryzen 7 instead of i5 notebook but they didn't trust and after all the crappy notebook chips and used to make.

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Demorthus
Demorthus

Although none of this is surprising, what they should've done first was reduce their prices across the board. If you need as much 'early adopters' in the door, you need to incentivize it by at least offering it at a price no one else can compete with. When you do things THIS way, it's a universal psychological experience that every consumer will only logically feel at a loss because you offered less, for a higher price. Then further compel them to justify it as an overpriced & underperforming purchase, objectively. It's worse too when the product provides such an inconsistent experience, because it removes the native desire to compare things.

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Six Gorillion
Six Gorillion

They dont expect you to buy this trash. They puished it out so they could say ARC has been released and is shipping to the board and investors.

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Fyn Kozari
Fyn Kozari

Even if Intel reduce price, the long term price isnt gonna go anywhere, because their products consume a lot of energy.

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Okusar
Okusar

@MarcasswellbMD Never said it was. It was merely an example of a product with growing pains that the community embraced because it showed promise, threatened to disrupt the competitor in control of the market and offered good value for what it was. Had it been equivalently priced to Intel's offerings at the time, while also having many issues, I don't think it would have been such an early success. If your product has flaws you don't price it high to dissuade consumers from buying it and forming a bad opinion of it, you discount it as people are more willing to overlook flaws when the thing they bought was a lot cheaper; the more problems there are, the cheaper it needs be. Then, once your product has most of the problems ironed out and you've fostered a bit of product loyalty, that's when you start to raise your prices.

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MarcasswellbMD
MarcasswellbMD

@Okusar Ryzen was no where near this Bad.. Their was a few BIOS flashes that we had to do and the rest was mostly The Windows scheduler that needed to be fixed for Ryzen to work well once they put out a couple BIOS Upgrades.. I was a day 1 Zen 1 Adaptor, And it was nothing like what going on with Intel GPU's right now.. The laptops are locking up and crashing in the middle of not even using it.. There is a huge difference between ARC and Zen 1.. I agree to disagree no offense..

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babukp
babukp

@MarcasswellbMD actually i ordered one for 1500$ from HP website... i think this price includes best buy markup..

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Powerhouse
Powerhouse

As an Nvidia fan (and previously 3DFX...RIP), it would've been awesome to see a third competitor rise to the challenge even if it is more suited to editing than gaming. It's their first foray so I wasn't expecting anything revolutionary, but it seems that even basic tasks can't be accomplished with any consistency.

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TheReacTT
TheReacTT

I think they can improve with time, we'll see how it turns out eventually

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stefan kyriacou
stefan kyriacou

i'd be interested to see how this benchmarks in clear linux (intel's own linux distro).

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Russell Smith
Russell Smith

Thanks for giving rendering stats. I'm not nearly the gamer that I was in years gone by, but I'm still doing video editing on a regular basis. Thus, rendering capacities mean a lot more to me than FPS.

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XDSDDLord
XDSDDLord

It just goes to show you how complicated all of this is. Intel's software team was already larger than the entirety of AMD as a company, and this was not only pre-Arc days but pre-hybrid core days. Intel is fighting on multiple new fronts here; it's not just GPUs; it's Hybrid architectures; it's opening their platform for third parties to use their fabs. I'm impressed they got to a point where they could even ship something because I don't think it is humanly possible to expend at the rate they need to to get this all done. It will take some time, but I believe Intel can pull this off.

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Zyg0
Zyg0

​@Allxtend they arent really that ahead dude.....remember how the i7 12700f is now seling for the same price a 5600x used to? intel offers far better value for budget productvitity/low end gamers/amd isnt "the best of Power/price/Performance"......

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Allxtend
Allxtend

AMD Had the real multiple Front Fight and Not Intel. Reminder that AMD ist in GPU and CPU for destops and the Leader of apu and have the Strongest workload GPU plus tryed News Things Like lower nm before Nvidia ihr Intel or Fight es the Nvidia sabotaging by hairworks/physics or so on. And AMD entered the Smartphone Market any years ago so AMD do the best of i See Power/price/Performance they are far ahead of Intel and am by a faar lower marked share in PC gaming Segment

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Tim Boundy
Tim Boundy

@Zyg0 Intel has had to deal with GPU architecture changes over the decades many times. The difference between Xe-LP and Xe-HPC is relatively small by comparison. And the majority of those changes are irrelevant to the bugs these guys found, since most of the features that use the new hardware components are not enabled yet. Simply having more compute performance doesn't really affect driver complexity. The hardware just adds more identical execution units.

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Zyg0
Zyg0

@Tim Boundy it gets to a point when there is so much more it does..and the stuff in alchemist is both more complicated because of :xmx concurrent fp32/xmx pipeline completetion and there is a clusterfuck more and i mean 5-10x more compute performance than xe-lp this is the point where it gets way more complex and its also in addition to things that are in themselves way more complex like ai extensions. so what you're saying is now the driver doesnt matter? it doesnt have to handle a both: lots more/entirely seperate more complex things than having more cores than xe-lp and with a lot things that werent even in xe-lp at all?,someone who worked on the drivers for the igp can simply learn on the go to code for everything the alchemist MICRoarch has?? and code for xmx machine learning stuff simply by "adding more" of what they added to the igps basic driver,even if they would have had no experience with any ML compute before? you were talking about for the 3050/3090 before i agree with that part but its still a bit wrong 3050/3090 is the same basic building blocks so ofc you can use the same drivers.but xe-lp/alchemist building blocks are different in a lot of ways,alchemist isnt just a bigger igp again it can do stuff none of intels igps can/ofc you cant just use the same driver stack and "add more"

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Tim Boundy
Tim Boundy

@Zyg0 Intel released the DG1 variant of Intel Xe about a year or 2 ago.

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Stoyan Ivanov
Stoyan Ivanov

Thank you so much for the honest and realistic review. Despite often collaborating with Intel on sponsored content. Consumers need unbiased reviews of harwdare/software.

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pawwof
pawwof

Having worked in IT my whole life I remember many times Intel was going to roll out some kind of graphics that would "compete" They never have and it is looking like they never will. But who knows, if they throw more money at it?!?! lol

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jozsi
jozsi

Using Intel UHD (i7-10750H) I had render bugs in Maj-Eyal, the turn-based 2D game from 2012 on OpenGL 2.1. I was really hoping they would iron out the driver support for the dGPUs and that would then trickle down to their iGPUs at some point.

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Xerxes Ashleyy Tv
Xerxes Ashleyy Tv

Like you said about first time with Ryzen it was so buggy, Arc is also at the same situation, and i also hope this will all be ironed out so that laptops can have more variety than the ones we have now with gpus from team red and team green.

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AbbieDoobie
AbbieDoobie

Intel XE driver issues were the warning shot. If anyone tried to game on XE, like I did on my Framework Laptop, you've likely experienced issues. If Intel wants to do high-end graphics, they need to step up their driver game IMMENSELY.

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Ruben Fasola
Ruben Fasola

@Michael1875l i had that as well on windows, try the latest beta drivers for iris Xe

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Ruben Fasola
Ruben Fasola

@Luis Ortega you are objectively wrong. Mesa is much better than the windows driver, much better than the linux/windows nvidia driver and nouveau,

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Luis Ortega
Luis Ortega

@Ruben Fasola amd drivers on linux be poo poo. i had a ryzen laptop that went to shit due to amd. only intel for me

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Ruben Fasola
Ruben Fasola

@Luis Ortega mesa is great, better performance in my test (modded MC 1.7.10) it performed better than my friends 5700xt (he was on windows), 80-110fps vs 50-70, we are still trying to figure it out

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Luis Ortega
Luis Ortega

@Ruben Fasola linux drivers are amazing funnily enough. as for windows ive never gamed on windows on my tigerlake laptop.

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RogueThunderBird
RogueThunderBird

I knew this was how the start was going to go when I herd they weren't starting from scratch on their driver architecture. Intel's graphics drivers have always been garbage, and this was a great opportunity to start from scratch... But that would have been more expensive.

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Software hiccups were rather expected considering intel's track record on gpu drivers. The price is a big issue though. I understand they want to make the R&D back but selling it way above 3050 is insane.

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rj hinde
rj hinde

Honestly, having experienced the absolute disaster that was the Skylake release at the same time that Windows 10 was released (on an Alienware AW17R3) I would stay well away from this at any price.

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menjivarTv
menjivarTv

I'm really glad Apple broke the Intel/AMD CPU duopoly and I hope Intel and others join soon the GPU Wars so we can have a more competitive market

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Zachary
Zachary

PSA: Windows disables/rolls back GPU drivers as a security feature (or something of the sort, big oof). You can disable this behavior by going to: Control Panel > System & Security > System > Advanced System Settings (right side tab) > Hardware > Device Installation Settings. Then choose "No (your device might not work as expected)." I NEVER recommend you let windows update specific device drivers, go to the manufacturer support page for best stability

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OceanLoverTV
OceanLoverTV

Like Upvote #foryoupage haha but seriously this was really helpful to me

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Daniel Oberhofer
Daniel Oberhofer

7:58 - "One area Intel should excel, though, is power management..." This made me almost spit my coffee all over my monitor from laughing. 😅

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Siana Gearz
Siana Gearz

There's only so much power efficiency you can get out of 14nm+++++++ even with the best power management logic, which is indeed traditionally Intel's strength. Or only so much thermal headroom when your heatspreader is warped and attached with cottage cheese.

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Sparky-a-nature
Sparky-a-nature

I’m looking for a laptop for college right now, and there’s a lot of options from HP popping up with arc graphics and watching this video has really let me dodge a bullet

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Theo Higgins
Theo Higgins

It might not be a good one, but at the very least it's a start. I wish Intel all the best with ARC. Who knows, maybe in 5 years I'll have an Intel GPU in my PC

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Steven Levernier
Steven Levernier

I understand that arc hasnt turned out great on the first release. But give it a chance, Intel has a lot of learning to do and is doing GREAT recently.

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Neoxon
Neoxon

Damn, I was actually really looking forward to Intel’s GPUs. Hopefully they can step it up with future hardware. As Alex pointed out, we need more viable competition in the GPU space.

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Krychu TM
Krychu TM

@The Exclusive Wasn't giving exact and specific numbers, its more of a figure of speech to get a point across.

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The Exclusive
The Exclusive

@Krychu TM lmao no. They had better products then as well. Know about the history at first.

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Above Average Bay Leaf
Above Average Bay Leaf

They will probably release more powerful gpus later in the year.

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Krychu TM
Krychu TM

@The Exclusive Same could be said about AMD and graphics 10 years ago

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Kaptaan 88
Kaptaan 88

Never thought intel would fall behind amd, I think amd is much more likely to be a clear winner when it comes to efficiency in current times

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Davethreshold
Davethreshold

I am REALLY betting/hoping for Intel. I was tickled when they came out with their 12th gen. They should not have released this yet knowing that 95% of the customers would be pissed off.

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Erchitu
Erchitu

I think that when the support improves Intel Arc has a great potential. I am waiting to build my new PC until I can get a proper Intel GPU. Hope the solve the software issues.

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bacintom
bacintom

Well you could say it shows how hard it is to enter the GPU market, even when you are the company with the most chances of succeeding.

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Anmol Agrawal
Anmol Agrawal

That video encoding performance gives me hope. VVC is around the corner and that if that improves things substantially, would motivate encoder groups to follow suit

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Quandale Dingle
Quandale Dingle

Especially from a big company like intel, I was honestly expecting more. This is unbelievable.

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Azrul Nizam
Azrul Nizam

I really want to see how a 40fps cap will help Intel in anyway as we've seen on current gen console most devs either trade max resolution/high setting for a fluid 60fps gameplay or trade fluidity by going 30fps cap for a max output resolution. But luckily for someone with 4k 120Hz display, they can opt for 40Hz mode (25ms per frame) where the game run at max console setting without sacrificing fluidity and we've seen lot of positive feedback from the users. I wonder on Intel machine, what if we run game at 1080p res and cap the frame rate at 40fps and with all those resource by not going 60fps or above we tweak the setting as high as the system can possible handle without dropping frame. I'm not sure but I believe that this laptop can handle a 40Hz refresh rate. If not, then ignore what I just said earlier.

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Andrea Vultaggio
Andrea Vultaggio

After my experience with a 7700HQ I honestly didn't expect any better from Intel. When the shit starts to pile up it's impossible to have a swift recovery...the real question is: how much is Intel willing to lose in order to boost the presence on the market for these GPUs?

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Derpsii
Derpsii

what did the 7700hq do?

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Terabit Tech
Terabit Tech

I'm just excited for a second or third generation. Having less and less time to game, I'm mostly concerned about image and video rendering, and soon enough I may also do heavier compute stuff for my Physics degree

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rexHK417
rexHK417

@Matthew Haworth Lol true

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Don't read my name ////

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Matthew Haworth
Matthew Haworth

The only issue being, if it flops too hard, there may not be a 2nd or 3rd genration...

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Maurice Antenbrink
Maurice Antenbrink

the faster render times from a weak gpu are very promising. I do hope they work hard to fix these issues. The same happened to AMD with first gen ryzen and I only dared to buy the cpu when they hit the 3000 series. So if they fix a lot of issues for the next generation and then iron out the last few issues in the third gen, I'd probably dare to buy an intel gpu for work.

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darek4488
darek4488

Now imagine getting Intel GPU and AMD CPU in one system. This would be a nightmare.

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htklun
htklun

I love Linus and his team for striking a delicate balance between product review integrity and accepting sponsorship money, but honesty, as hard as they had been on the ARC, this was LTT pulling their punches. The reason Alex would even spent days with Intel engineers to debug this IS BECAUSE of the boat load of money they spent on Extreme Tech Upgrades and flying Linus to Israel to visit its latest chip fab. That kind of access will make you think twice before giving the ARC the dunking it deserves. Let’s put it another way: If Apple had botched the launch of M1 to this degree I’m sure the slam dunking on them would be waaaaaay more savage.

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Greg Daweson
Greg Daweson

apple deserved it

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htklun
htklun

@Tim Boundy and give up on the YouTube ad revenue? Nah I think they mostly hit the right balance, I just saw waaaaaay too many comments giving them too much credit for their (mostly honest) review and wanted to pump the breaks on the whole thing

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Tim Boundy
Tim Boundy

True, but they could have just not released their review at all.

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Curbside Tech
Curbside Tech

This is very interesting. I completely overlooked the Arc platform. Hopefully the 2nd or 3rd version will sort out the bugs.

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Siana Gearz
Siana Gearz

Arguably the hardware isn't the buggy part here; so eventually even these garbage units will work, if they don't just stop updating them for no reason at all (they frequently do with their iGPUs). But who needs a sort of a semi brick in the interim?

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mikefize
mikefize

Honestly, I think Intel's plan to focus on other GPU-bound tasks than gaming is pretty smart, especially for mobile devices. So the Handbrake numbers give me at least a little bit of hope that Intel GPUs might really be a valid alternative in the future for video editing or rendering.

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IsoMacintosh
IsoMacintosh

@Tams80 "How many people actually edit videos or render stuff regularly?" Are you seriously asking this on youtube, the site filled with people who make edited videos?

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mikefize
mikefize

@Tams80 Oh yes absolutely, it has to work - reliably! Still a long way to go. As to "Who needs it?" - Well, considering the amount of laptops aimed at "creators", I guess there's a pretty big market for stuff like that. Or just look at what Apple is doing with their media engine. I'm sure they wouldn't put so much effort in it, if it wasn't worth it.

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Tams80
Tams80

1. It needs to work. 2. How many people actually edit videos or render stuff regularly?

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Ganbare! MЁga-chan
Ganbare! MЁga-chan

Crash..

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Robert Coffey
Robert Coffey

The fact that it is remotely capable of mobile gaming is already a decent sign of things to come. Now they just need to get their actual power figures to work out the way they intended them. A lot of people who want a thin&light laptop with dedicated graphics aren't necessarily planning to game heavily on it in the first place, but they do want it to offer them rock-steady video playback, OS UI graphics performance, and acceleration for any GPU-accelerated tasks that they might need to do on the go. The fact that it can game to any reasonably competent degree is a real bonus. Hopefully the higher tiered Arc GPUs will be comparable to, like, maybe a 4060? That'd be a good target for them. If they can get that kind of performance at a similar power draw in gaming, but beat it out in encoding and other GPU accelerated tasks then it stands a decent chance to claim relevance. Unfortunately for us impatient viewers, only time will tell.

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J F
J F

Shows how hard it actually is to make a GPU if intel is struggling

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Skeleton Report
Skeleton Report

I loved my HP Spectre. It's a beautiful laptop. I have the mx150 with 8550u. Sad to see the current specs are that bad. I hope to see a RTX 4050 or a amd Phenix APU next year.

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Nick Fifis
Nick Fifis

It isn't made for gaming (yet) and they're still working on the drivers, and I'm sure they'll work out the kinks with each new driver. They may be a big company, but they're new to building consumer GPUs. There's a reason it's not available yet.

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shaddorry
shaddorry

Last week I bought a Lenovo Yoga 7I for college and it has that very same chip. Was kinda disappointed at the heat it generates without even stressing it too much, and at the random lag in the system. If I recall it correctly, the laptop should be optimized for deep learning and AI, but I doubt it will be able to do that, currently.

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Valera Fox
Valera Fox

Ohh those Lenovo heating output on the laptop body. .... It always was bad even though the components seem to stay on the adequate level. .

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SekritJay
SekritJay

I was intrigued by Arc only because of its existence, I was under no illusions as to its performance relative to nVidia and AMD, Still, the fact that it underperforms to this extent is a surprise and a disappointment. Intel will likely still plug at it though, the opportunites are too tantalising to ignore

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Schule04
Schule04

It's not a surprise. This card will have an MSRP of $150 and is marketed below the 3050 to which Linus compared it to. As he said, it's the "best" LOW end ARC card. The actual high end cards will be launched in 2-3 months.

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Reshade Gaming
Reshade Gaming

Is it really that surprising? AMD and Nvidia have been in the game for 10+ years at this point.

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kReaz
kReaz

I fully agree with Linus last words. I wouldn't sort out Intel Arc out yet. Give them time and maybe they are getting their place like AMD with Ryzen. I really hope so. More diversity and competition is only better for us customers.

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Valera Fox
Valera Fox

+ It should take it's place in more specific tasks rather than just 3D rendered picture drawing (like AI accel, encoding, and etc, the stuff general CPU is not that good for, but the general Gaming GPU is not optimized for (but to Games lol))

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BLucky
BLucky

Despite all the issues, I'm still kind of hoping when all the kinks are fixed ARC would be a good candidate for stuff like Plex/Jellyfin servers that dont need a GPU for anything *but* video encoding

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Soupinator
Soupinator

You forgot the part where Intel's DTT actually significantly REDUCES gaming performance, rather than increasing it like it's supposed to. All I've seen Intel say about the matter is to warn people that they could damage their laptop somehow by turning it off? It's been really sad because as you said, Intel's had a really good reputation for product quality.

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Sam Farabee
Sam Farabee

Hey guys, well done. Alex you wrote this with the perfect balance of "This is pretty bad right now, but it shows promise ... and we've seen a similar scenario before, so there's hope." Keeping my fingers crossed, more players in the space means more competition, which pushes the industry forward.

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Waitwhat469
Waitwhat469

Would be interesting to see the same tests on Linux

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Niels Vriethoff
Niels Vriethoff

Well you're right if they launched in Q1 with the dGPU for pc's for a reasonable price I would probally have bought an ARC. But when GPU price went more to normal, I went for the RTX3060ti

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HexerPsy
HexerPsy

But... what did you expect? We knew intel was holding back for a reason, and was pushing it through for a reason... Stuck between a rock and a hard place. The fact that they dedicate so much of the die to accelerations is a bit of a surprise to me. At this point, its not really a GPU but more of an accelerator card... when its supported... Maybe when the enterprise starts making use of these things, that it trickles down to consumers properly?

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Grim Of Doom
Grim Of Doom

these XE chips should be included ALONG with a GPU, used mainly for video encoding/decoding; removing the parts dedicated to gaming (like ray tracing)

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Phantom Limbs
Phantom Limbs

Re the 1st-gen Ryzen comparison, sure it was buggy and undercooked, but those older Ryzen chips were still astonishingly competitive, and completely smoked Intel's then current CPU lineup in multithreaded applications. The problem here is that, well, Arc just isn't competitive in any way, shape or form - the fact it was being beaten in multiple tests by AMD's *integrated* chips was damning. Intel need some kind of strong selling point, and currently they don't have one. I feel like this is going to go the way of Larrabee / Xeon Phi - Intel will realise they don't have a viable mass-market product, re-brand as a niche co-processor they can sell at high margins to specialist markets (AI acceleration, supercomputing, video encode/decode) and then quietly kill it off when their market segmentation bet doesn't pay off either.

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JotaPe015
JotaPe015

Thank god these only launched on specific laptops instead of desktop GPU, imagine the amount of problems there would be when mixing different CPUs and RAM configurations

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Harry 8642
Harry 8642

If AMD come back this hard, I'm sure intel will too

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MtnNerd
MtnNerd

The driver thing is pretty ridiculous. I had some issues with Windows update yesterday on my AMD machine but at least I was able to go to the manufacturer's website to fix it 😅

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121dan121
121dan121

To be honest, it's impressive that they're even in the ballpark, so for that I give Intel some credit.

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Keith Miller
Keith Miller

Thanks for the encoder information, most gaming channels ignore encoding. I would love to see the Intel GPU with hardware encoding using FFmpeg since so much GUI software is literally just an interface to FFmpeg.

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DerFurz
DerFurz

@Alex Atkin although they are still worse bitrate to bitrate, that have come a long way. In my experience they are still better if you look at video quality/time, which of course is hard to objectively review. A test comparing Nvidia's, AMD's and Intel's hardware encoders and how they stack up to Software Encoding today would be interesting though

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Clay Wheeler
Clay Wheeler

In my opinion, HandBrake is far inferior compared to FFMPEG. Their GPU Accelerated encoding never utilize more than 25% GPU usage, and still 99% CPU. Meanwhile FFMPEG can utilize 100% GPU while alleviating the stress from CPU down to 20% usage

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Clay Wheeler
Clay Wheeler

@Kushagra Nayyar be it using Software Encoding or Hardware Accelerated Encoding, your video quality will still be Butchered if you upload it to YouTube. Because YouTube is using VP9, AV1 & AVC H264. You can only tell the difference if you Encode that video for yourself only. But once you upload it to YouTube, the quality will degrade no matter how beautiful your original video was.

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Kushagra Nayyar
Kushagra Nayyar

@Alex Atkin just learned something new. I always thought hardware acceleration was just utilizing extra performance

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Alex Atkin
Alex Atkin

@kendokaaa Also as they did mention in passing, it has limitations on resolutions and usually omitting some specific features of the codec. Especially relevant as newer codecs are to save space, so why use the latest hardware codec if its the same quality as a good software encoded H264? (Just an example, don't know if it's quite that dramatic)

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Fordon, mek och galenskaper
Fordon, mek och galenskaper

It's always gonna take some time for a totally new product to work, the Microsoft problem with rollback is actually how windows should work if you use unstable software but yet annoying. How does arc work in Linux?

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Adam Wang
Adam Wang

So is framework going AMD next? Good igpu and relatively good cpu performance too.

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Abudy Awad
Abudy Awad

One way I see they could fix this is by open sourcing drivers, firmware, etc. By doing this they would appeal to a different, generally more techliterate and loud audience. This would help them expedite bug fixing and such. If someone finds a bug they can fix it themselves. This would also help optimize performance to squeeze out as much juice their gpus can offer. It would also improve compatibility and security. It'd just bring all the benefits open sourcing has. Ofc I'm not a professional marketer or dev or anything so there might be a way for them to dig themselves out of this hole but from where I'm sitting this is the fastest and most efficient.

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Marion D.
Marion D.

I've purchased Ryzen 1800x as soon as it launched, and it do had many compatibility issues. But compared to the bad performing FX, it's totally acceptable then.

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SilverKnight
SilverKnight

I can't believe I'm rooting for Intel to break into a new market, but, here we are. This is such a weird timeline.

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Charlie Roberts
Charlie Roberts

It's amazing that AMD is able to create great CPUs and good gpus with how much smaller they are. Goes to show you it's about talent not money.

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Silver
Silver

Definitely going AMD on my next build.

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J
J

Best thing I ever did was replace my Intel i5 ultra laptop with an AMD Ryzen 5 Ultra laptop as I can actually play some games on it at 1080p. Oh and this was 5 years ago and still love it.

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Raynman Plays
Raynman Plays

I like Intel's approach to Arc. Pure gamers can go AMD, gamers that also create content can go nVidia, and Arc is for content creators that don't do much gaming. Alternatively, one can get an AMD GPU for a gaming PC and an Arc for a content creation PC. Just sucks that its launch was so bad.

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