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recent progress on the Voynich Manuscript using a proven linguistic method
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@Volder Z Wow thank you so much for getting back to me. I rewatch your videos from time to time because I'm interested in the same principles of detective work in my own areas of interest. Take your time brother, it's good to hear from you I'm gonna stay tuned. Personally the development of the alphabets was the most interesting to me, and how the pronunciations either changed with the time and/or context (eg Great vowel shift, Hasdic languages), or where they just wouldn't be written for one reason or another. That's the coolest to me so I'm thrilled that there's a lot in the pipeline.
Hahaha! Ya, I've just had a lot of interruptions & delays lately (I didn't even get to this message for a while because of a relocation from state to state)... starting with just being a really inefficient video maker, apparently (this is only a spare-time thing), plus having about five more linguistics videos bouncing around in my head at once and working on all of them to one extent or another at once... and focusing the most at first on the two biggest & most complicated & most prone to constant changing & editing... and not really trying to go for speed because I don't want mistakes and can't get used to the idea of anybody waiting to hear from me and tend to think this "channel" is mostly forgotten til I add something else... and still not knowing exactly what to plan for the bigger picture of my "channel" overall... But anyway, those first two monster videos are pretty close to done, so they and a smaller one will probably be going up in the next couple of months. I also might precede them with quick & dirty extra video on the overall situation. The general idea for now: 1. One on how alphabets evolve; not Voynich-related but inspired by some reactions to my Voynich stuff 2. One on how previously unknown alphabets are worked out; also not Voynich-related but inspired by some reactions to my Voynich stuff 3. A new Voynich video going into letter-by-letter detail of how the phonetic system can be developed from the astronomic labels on folio 63 (instead of just scrolling past and rushing to the next part) 3½. Probably a secondary Voynich video with some application of my phonetic system to plant names (and why that's not so solid & reliable as astronomy), plus ancillary inferences about what kind of language it is and where the alphabet came from; mostly the same ideas I've already put up before, but better-organized 4. One on phonetics in general and how linguists analyze & describe & compare sounds and define their IPA symbols, and how different sounds can change & be related to each other in language evolution (complete with examples including a bunch of English-speakers accidentally making sounds that aren't conventionally thought of as English sounds) 5. One on not what the Proto-Indo-European language was like (there are plenty of other online sources for that), but how it was figured out #1, #2, #4, and #5 sort of fit together under the theme of "stuff I would have thought other linguists on YouTube would have covered but they haven't", and #2 & #5 further fit together under "how do they know that?". Unfortunately, I don't have enough future video ideas to really make ongoing series of either of those themes beyond those few so far... unless I were to branch out beyond linguistics. For example, I've had the idea of doing one covering certain aspects of biological evolution that seem to fall through the cracks and not get mentioned by other online sources on evolution... but why would anybody who's at my channel for linguistics have any reason to watch something from me about biology... ... ...
Awesome video! I listened with great interest (i really mean it) And i didnt understand much :P
the mixed usage of ipa is really hard to read lol
What do you think of this families ideas about the translation? I realize that they aren't going about it academically in the right progression, but they aren't academics, so as a family side project I find it quite interesting especially seeing as how geographically close Syria and Turkey are. Perhaps with your knowledge of linguistics and history you could help them translate areas they find too different from Turkish to translate as well as helping expand their veiw of how and why such differences occur? Anyways I loved the videos. And I could definitely see the author being one of the Roma people since stereotypically others have always associated "gypsys" with "magic" and "whitches" because they had "fortune tellers,""wise women," or "medicine men" type people with knowledge of all sorts, in a variety of different disciplines, especially when it came to astrology, herbology, and medicine; and the Voynich Manuscript seems to contain a lot of astrological & herbal info as well as recipes for home remedies. Plus the geographic areas you spoke of and the migration of the roma people matches up perfectly.
Interesting. I also thought that there could be an analysis of the art used in the manuscript itself. Artistic styles are often common in certain areas. Moreover, the depictions of the individuals in the art itself is as important as the images of plants and stars. The people depicted in the drawings are not black. Moreover, they tend to depict European, Eurasian, Middle Eastern and/or North/Northwest Asian hair and outfits (for those depicted with clothing). If I were to analyze this, I would first focus on those regions and begin considering any known "lost" written languages.
Contect me firstname.lastname@example.org This contains on madicens and black magic spells i know all about it its very usefull for us i give you right way i also work on it and i know who is the writer
Lets be realistic here, it would be impossible for the Romani to produce such a manuscript. The wealth required 600 years ago to acquire the materials for the manuscript is insane. The Romani have never invented anything or formed a civilization. To this very day most of them live outside society refusing to conform to others. All of a sudden they have some rich genius walking around inventing his own written language? The theory is preposterous.
What do you think of the work or the Turkish family?
lol , gypsies.... it's possible that there were interested in the first place to make such a manuscript as many are into magic nowadays and all sorts of things so they have a historical background
blah blah blah now go to the back of the line and start all over ....those ready to move on to the next level come with me ..... ok here u are ...the next level to solving the manuscript https://youtu.be/8QLM3iPxciY
Maybe not suffixes. Maybe masculine v feminine nouns
Your quick comment about the Rosetta Stone seems careless. The reason Champollion could sound out some hieroglyphic words was because of his knowledge of Coptic, a later version of the Demotic Script on the RS. That's why he determined, roughly, the sound of "Ra". How can you determine the sound of any script and at the same time not know what language the script is related to? Surely any similarities could be explained away as coincidences.
lol dumb fuck, there is nothing to translate; the whole thing was a fraud from inception and there is no real language anywhere in it. all you are doing here is projecting your own ideas onto a nearly blank canvas.
Greetings & warm congratulations on coming to grips with some of the initial problems of translating the VMS. Since the Herbal Sections (Herbal A & Herbal B - roughly the 1st half of the MS seems to encode 2 distinct Romani dialects, you might come across more ‘fits’ especially if you can nail down all various names in the Levant of these weirdly-drawn leaves, roots & flowers as you did with the Star-Maps...DON’T STOP NOW, you’re on to something BIG that could finally open up the field of VMS research far & wide - you’d have to start with a Romani dictionary I suppose !!
I’m already a fan of Romani culture - i even considered trying to learn the language at various points. Still have the ‘learn Romani’ book on my shelf. Ended up learning Hindi instead, but man the Voynich Manuscript just got way more interesting! I always read that the Roma people didn’t really write books, which is why there’s no proper log of their history, so it’s really surprising to me that this book exists and actually survived! I so want it to give a lot of historical and cultural insight into what the Roma people were up to at the time this was written. I’m excited for part 3 of this series!
Ask anyone who reads/ write in indian languages those characters are almost identical especially to gujurathi. Looking at the characters it is exactly how youd make the strokes for guju. I highly recommend that as an additional research method you take a few moments to learn the guju script strokes i think you might be astonished. I truly believe this could be the only surviving actual “gypsy” writen language. “Gyptsie” was the name given to european migrant peoples who originated in India. Another surprising clue is that the way you explained the script - if you are correct- the placement of vowels into written words and words into sentences is specifically similar to the guju dialect of indian languages. Historically speaking.. there were tribes of guju peoples who were said to have left the continent in caravans, which included actors, artists, craftsmen and HEALERS. Very interesting.
YOU NEED TO WATCH "SERGIO GUDIÑO"
This video is almost 3 years old and the media still considers the manuscript to be one of the greatest mysteries in human history, thinking its the world's greatest unbreakable code
a lot to learn here such as what people in different parts of the states mean when they speak
Every time I watched something about the Voynich manuscript and similar stuff, I wondered how poeple are analyzing stuff like that.
I liked the two videos, how was the translation of the words you found? thank you.
The another sound of "r" could be "ř", as i know its only in czech language
This is incredible, great work!
Also other linguists have said Voynich has no connections to Indo-European or proto-semitic. How do you answer that?
That zodiac dates back to 3000 BCE. Also ancient zodiacs had 13 divisions not 12. Additionally, my idea is that this text was a copy of a very much older document. Have you accounted for the fact that the manuscript was rearranged over time??
Okay so I don't know if this will help or not. Someone posted a video on the past few days(*8/2/18*) and it eventually brought me here. In his video he implied the manuscript had changed and repeats itself, and was basically blaming the Mandela effect which likely is a bogus presumption. I presume myself this always repeated itself. So where I offer a potential service is, while I cannot read it I can see in many ways it is repeating itself and it brings me to a phrase that is found several times in old Norse. "Hariuha laþu laukar gakar alu ole lule laukar" I had to translate this myself and it took a bit of digging to understand, because Gakar is usually translated as Cuckoo, like the bird, and Gakar alu would translate as Cuckoo Magic. Now this didn't make a lot of sense, but a story out of the Kalevala shed some light on this, while not being "Norse," in the story of the drowned maid. Upon her death the March Hare informs her family that she has died and to observe that the flesh of the land is her flesh, the water of the ocean her blood. In remembrance a cuckoo bird sings a song of lamentation upon the time to remember her, which is spring. Ole lule I only got a hit in hungarian i believe and it basically said "was a flower, is not a flower". I digress. Hariuha means general/he who came first. Lapu is a summoning, an invitation. Laukar is the key and my point at what I'm getting at. Laukar can be garlic, wheat, barley, it's what comes out of the earth. Any combination of Lau or Alu, these 3 letters, always signifies a form of magic. So the phrase itself would be repeated as is, but Laukar means something different each time. Hariuha laþu laukar gakar alu ole lule laukar - The Lord who came first summons the wheat with spring magic was a flower, not a flower, now we have bread The Lord who came first Summons the barley With spring magic Was a flower, not a flower We have Ale(which is also Alu) Hope this helps your quest!
Also, in Laukar and Gakar, it is pronounced Laukaz and Gakaz respectively, and I remember you briefly touching on this even if it may have been you didn't find connections there.
For anyone it may concern, the Norse are very clear they found their way North along the Ural mountain range from the river Dan, and headed west into Scandinavia from the north end of the range. This puts their path directly through Finland and well in lineage to share folk tales from that general vicinity. I am not a professor, I simply followed the path and looked at relative evidence, and could be entirely wrong.
Check this one out :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6keMgLmFEk
it's good we have people like you for when the aliens come
Come to think of it, there is a good chance the Voynich might be just a man/kids imagination, and someone made some scribbles, and a made up language, and CANNOT be decoded, and just might be some doodles, and a made up language, with no sounds, this could explain why no one has been able to decode the Voynich manuscript.
GENIUS! ~~ Me thinks an OPUS - misconception is because Person wrote it for what's most Efficient for Them to look up, categorize, and remember - the Cryptic Nature is do to misconceptions - Consider it being a Song? Remember it even Easier? 01:26
I lost all hope in there being any meaningful content in the Voynich Manuscript after I read the paper written by Torsten Timm. There are several characteristics in the patterns of the text which strongly suggest some kind of system was used to generate meaningless collections of words.
It is incŕedible, so far I got astrophysics , few languages, and geology and 4 or5 different languages more I see what a pass time. Where or who is can in touch with when I get some when I need to run passby
Taylan Akçay scam
This guy was close but made a fucking blunder. Look here mate. The language in the script is Old Turkic. It uses a different script to what has been used to write Turkich in the last 1000 years, which is perhaps lost, but it is old Turkic language which has roots in central asia. Remember the Ottoman Turks and Seljuk Turks? Some of them were quite close in Europe and even inside it around the time this thing was written. A Turkish person has already written a paper to share his findings on this. The problem with western people is that they have a strongly western world view. Thus, they were comparing this with wrong languages. It will take more research but its link with old Turkic is quite strong, please check it out.
ok now that we know how you did it what dose the book say
I'm not a professional linguist, but I love learning about languages. Your work really caught my attention. Please, keep it up!
Congratulations! (40) might be s, the other š...it looks like the Syriac, s...redrawn
Stellar presentation, superb scholarship. Valio!
You have certainly done more than your share. Time for others to step up.
It's interesting how you mention the possibility of it being highly influenced or even creolized by Hebrew, given the recent claimed (pay special attention to this word) cracking of the code to be Hebrew. Though many people say that it doesn't make sense as proper Hebrew, but I think influenced by Hebrew makes sense.
What if the missing signs are really numbers??? 1 iekh 2 dui 3 triin 4 staar 5 pangh 6 hou 7efta 8 ohta 9 enja 10 dech
I was thinking the same about the split words by the stars. It's possible numbers were written with letters just like we do in English.
Wow!!!nice job volder. Very in tresting. Im a finnish gypsy, i think you kan find something intresting in kale dialect,kale (whit an / abowe the e) . I just cant write that right on a cellphone. Ok the kale tribes have a little bit older version off gypsy language. More similar words whit sanskrit. Kalé (now i found the righ th e ) tribes is a lot off in finland and spain. Hope you get something out off it. Please inform me iff you do.
These voynich manuscript videos are very interesting, please dont be done!
which matches the story that the Indian writer was a journeyman who went north, and his notes ended up travelling further than he did
There's a large population of Roma "gypsies" living in Croatia. They just recently had their language officially put in a Romani : Croatian dictionary which is now being used as basis to create other translations. You may want to look into this. It could be somewhat useful.
Got an update?
genius, muthafucka. hoojnjyg giullkiph
i dont know much but it seems Arabic phonetic to me
Way cool, tyvm! Spanish, Hebrew... la and el, bano, bana, male and female language, in that translation? Also, helping to explain the L usage?
Sweet! Now we can translate the Voynich Manuscript into Klingon!
And after a couple of centuries someone will find that translation, and will be cracking his head, trying to decode it :q
Hey 1:49 this is showin the great war of alien races on earth, the one lacerta was talking about
At 19:53 you have the 'oda' followed by 1 symbol, then 2 symbols, then 3 symbols. Is it possible these are actual star numbers? As in a count of 1,2,3, not letters? I believe both Roman numerals and Arabic have that tradition. Look at 24:10, the last two symbols in the upper row would make sense as numbers, not letters.
There is actually no geographic dilemma! The would be dilemma is wonderful in that it supports perfectly the manuscript's provenance to the Silk Road and ancient trade routes which also brought the plague to Europe in the 1300s - which in turn supports my belief that this is a copied manuscript whose origin predates the plague somewhere in the Indo-Persian area. What an intelligent insight the Romani connection was! My guess is that this is an almanac including magical and practical information including astrological and astronomical informations - ala the 3 magi of biblical fame to put a 21st century perception/identification to it - but no less accurate if only in a general sense. The wonder of it is that given the great plagues, the Islamic expansion, and the catholic control of such media - that this book exists at all. And those events explain its seeming uniqueness bibliographically also. The Voynitch Manuscript appears to be a singular survivor of a lost dark ages culture.
Do you have any info if there are studies of the materials the script is made of like paper origin, ink origin or chemical composition, etc?
Kirill Kovaldin there’s a video on YouTube where they cut a few small pieces of a couple pages and tested it and the book dated back to 1403-1435 (i may be a year off give or take) But they tested the ink/paint as well. It was an interesting video
Would not it be more appropriate to use the aforementioned languages as those were at the time when manuscript was written? There must have been a lot of changes in each language since then. Some words have been lost by substitutions from other more influencial languages. What do you think?
I just wanted to say (whether or not you’re right) these two videos have been the most interesting things I’ve watched all year.
Could we possibly have discovered a manuscript written by a Roma learned? Otherwise I have been stating that the author may have been a pre-expulsion Sephardic learned who had travelled much (and who was rather wealthy).
Pretty sure it is Syriac estranga short hand. The letters are identical and the recently discovered oldest Qu'ran matches exactly.
Syriac is read from right to left though, as are almost all scriptures that derived from Aramaic, except Brāhmī. The Voynich Manuscript is clearly read from left to right which to me indicates either a connection to Brāhmī or to the european scriptures used in that time. One does not simply turn around the direction a script is read for no reason.
sorry you are dead wrong I broke this code open to night after the Yale library sent me data so I could see the whole book never give a brilliant mechanical genus a code and tell him to brake it down it took less then 1 hour .. the book is a group of 29 women in a sewing circle ... the flowers and plants are fun way to hide the complex sewing stitches of quilts rugs and tapestries, ,. the code is explained in the 4 wheels starting on page 57v the women are set up in 3 circles . 19 in the outer circle 10 in the inner circle and 5 in training ,after the 4 wheels there is a out line page and a cover page and then a list of what and who they are ,.....after that you see wheels of data added to detail what they are working on and who is doing what in the sewing club .. they are from northern Italy 29 women and 5 in training ....many royal families kept their sewing skills secret and this is what this book is about ......at first I believed it to be a witch and her convent but after seeing the code fall part it is simple and more directed to daily sewing skills and recording the complex sequences of the sewing circle , don't make the mistake this is a super value able book and one of the very few ever shown in public , a fake .. no way you could prove it easy these are royal families and many families had their own patterns ...see the women in the grapes making wine . sorry the women are making dye for thread ... see women don't have to be naked to make wine .. dye would destroy their cloths....I am correct . this is a sewing circle book of very protected & rare patterns ...
Dude I think you need psychiatric help. Your words read as the ramblings of a schizophrenic. Also.. a genius with that many spelling mistakes? No.
sorry ego has nothing to do with this ...I am a reclusive and have almost no human contact ...to be totally honest I care little for the human race ....other then their ability to over come the odds threw perdition and faith ...if the human race was put on trial you would all be doing life behind bars ,be it at the local pub or jail time .. why would you use a name like royal , do you refer to the family that boost the mass death of other humans by selection of a few rich and mighty .,if so then know only the logic of the blade and know the sword always comes back home in time ."evil destroys vessel that holds it"
tazz11 Interesting .A bit egotistical ,but interesting .
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