How I Got Started: Frank Gehry I Fortune

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King Leung, RA, LEED AP
King Leung, RA, LEED AP

haha 0:54

Vor 4 Stunden
Ivonne D' Monsalve
Ivonne D' Monsalve

La magia de la arquitectura; pareciera que él tiene su propia orquesta dirigiendo el arte, el presupuesto, lo técnico 👏

Vor 3 Tage
Atilla Oral
Atilla Oral

I did not like his designs. He must learn from Mimar Sinan.

Vor 10 Tage
Ricardo Raul Díaz Serrano
Ricardo Raul Díaz Serrano

Beyond your wildest dreams

Vor 14 Tage
Ashok Dilliwala Show
Ashok Dilliwala Show

*_ARCHITECTURE - EXPECTATIONS AND SCOPE_* *Architecture aspirants want to know which is the best Architecture college.* *Their parents want to know what is the scope in profession of Architecture.* *Every year more than 25000 students join architecture. Their expectations are high but can the profession fulfill their dreams?* https://youtu.be/QXho_T6h7cc

Vor 20 Tage
Antoine N. Aoun Engineering, Architecture &more
Antoine N. Aoun Engineering, Architecture &more

The way he speaks about his buildings is always on point!

Vor 2 Monate
CJ Judd
CJ Judd

Yeah.. well... with money you can do anything, no money... watch YouTube, that's about it.

Vor 2 Monate
EEGE
EEGE

❤️❤️❤️

Vor 2 Monate
林琳
林琳

Like design😂

Vor 3 Monate
林琳
林琳

Help help

Vor 3 Monate
France
France

I'm still in highschool and I'm planning to be an architect, is it really that hard? I have good grades and I'm an art student, but still I'm very nervous.. any tips for when i get to college? Or when i start working?

Vor 4 Monate
bodyarchitect82
bodyarchitect82

Something deeply organic in he’s work! SO i got say F.Ghery the A.Gaodi of this Time in my opinion 😍😍

Vor 4 Monate
jessica arch
jessica arch

he is just so inspiring i have no words

Vor 4 Monate
Fahmi Syarif
Fahmi Syarif

what kind of software did he use to make such building cheaper?

Vor 4 Monate
Bruno56
Bruno56

This guy Gerry got his ‘inspiration’ [or nightmares] reading Superman bizarro comics. Also ate too much steaks with French fries full of ketchup before sleeping that gave him nightmares. So he ‘designed’ his garba..er buildings. Me? Wish them see all of them dynamited!!!

Vor 4 Monate
johnny lee
johnny lee

Its all fake artificial complexity and all theory are really ideas because they are not definitively provable unlike natural sciences.

Vor 4 Monate
Joe Rodriguez
Joe Rodriguez

Genocide of Beauty: Cultural Marxism in the Arts

Vor 4 Monate
johnny lee
johnny lee

How do you respond to people when they have strictly humanities education (architecture education is all english, history &art classes to get a degree. Highschool kid heading to JC attend more STEM classes) but want to pontificate like Nobel Prize winner. Delusional moron.

Vor 5 Monate
Jordan McIntyre
Jordan McIntyre

As an architect I can tell you, to complete a project with ZERO change orders is unheard of. Very impressive.

Vor 6 Monate
Jon Lee - WPIA
Jon Lee - WPIA

His kind of narcissist architecture is unfanthomable in Korea and Japan

Vor 6 Monate
Jon Lee - WPIA
Jon Lee - WPIA

This jc transfer guy wreaks of narcissism.

Vor 6 Monate
johnny lee
johnny lee

There are architects like this guy Gehry, Eric Owen Moss... who are on extreme end of discipline that tries to make buildings into art objects for their shameless vanity and just to be different. Their work will not be influential. It is noteworthy only to those uneducated and have "look at me!" personalities. Serious serial exhibitionist narcissists.

Vor 6 Monate
Jon Lee - WPIA
Jon Lee - WPIA

For the benefit of those high school kids interested in this profession, there is rampant fallacy held by people including myself before I entered architecture school that architects are technical people in traditional STEM sense in addition to working with aesthetics but that is complete false. Architecture education in US is 99% humanities discipline i.e. art, history and english with virtually no science classes to receive a diploma.

Vor 6 Monate
Sam O
Sam O

I took a shit in the bathroom at the Disney hall in LOs Angeles. It was a flawless acoustic bathroom.

Vor 6 Monate
Inge Justa van der Helm
Inge Justa van der Helm

To me the background music is too loud, too much info. I wonder, why would you want to put music? When Mr. Gehry talks, you listen.

Vor 6 Monate
Jim French
Jim French

I hate Architects..they are America’s lowest of the low in my book.

Vor 7 Monate
Jim French
Jim French

I very much resent that my sons Architect teacher introduced my son to his drug dealer and my son got hooked on Coke.I ran the drug dealers away from the Architects sons band that I was touring with.Architects definitely are a lower class of people.

Vor 7 Monate
Adrian S.
Adrian S.

I am sitting proudly in a Frank Gehry loft in Venice Beach as I type this! Long live Frank.

Vor 7 Monate
Adrian S.
Adrian S.

Loser. :)

Vor 5 Monate
johnny lee
johnny lee

moron

Vor 5 Monate
Paul Carter
Paul Carter

Great insight to following his passion and the courage to stay focused and become a true artist. He did all from learning by doing. Great time capsule for all generations. Thanks for sharing

Vor 7 Monate
raman loya
raman loya

G.O.A.T.

Vor 7 Monate
Matt Celeste
Matt Celeste

S.I.M.P.

Vor 5 Monate
Nihsreyasa Ramchandra
Nihsreyasa Ramchandra

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Vor 8 Monate
Mary Anne Tesiorna
Mary Anne Tesiorna

During my college days, I get bored in our class with regards to history of Architecture, don't appreciated it much..for me, the important that time was to finished the plates on time and passed the subject. Now when I watch this, it amazed me...every angle, curves, edges and everything expressed art, feelings, and stories. Now I know why Brad Pitt adore him, and I envied that he got the chance to met and learned from the legend Frank Ghery.

Vor 9 Monate
InhAr 2
InhAr 2

Why no you do asmr video, you are very sexy oldman

Vor 9 Monate
InhAr 2
InhAr 2

SEXY OLDMAN

Vor 9 Monate
Riya marium thomas
Riya marium thomas

The background score is splendid. Does anyone know about the artist and the score??

Vor 11 Monate
Matt Celeste
Matt Celeste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8yvZDF6RA Here it is^^^^

Vor 5 Monate
Terry Forth
Terry Forth

Fascinating interview

Vor 11 Monate
Nicholas Woolfenden
Nicholas Woolfenden

Yeah OK . I view him with scepticism as he can be irresponsible, ask the owners of his works that have leaking buildings. He pushes the envelope which is positive.

Vor 11 Monate
Justin Lee Miller
Justin Lee Miller

In my 20s I thought he was a genius. Now I think the opposite. When he said, "I don't do context" he lost me forever. He doesn't care about culture, sustainability, community. Nothing but novelty and his ego.

Vor 11 Monate
Matan Arae Tarre
Matan Arae Tarre

BEAUTIFUL

Vor 11 Monate
Barry Wainwright
Barry Wainwright

Although very imaginative and sophisticatatively creative his buildings are downright strange, weird and ugly. The greatest Architect from the last 500 years was Frank Lloyd Wright as his buildings were very beautiful, functional and he was an organic Architect who built with nature.

Vor 11 Monate
bscottb8
bscottb8

"What's particularly frustrating about Gehry's career is that he's somehow meant to be cool, a kind of sci-fi architect for the Millennial generation, a Timothy Leary of CAD; but he's Guy Fieri, his buildings hair-gelled monsters of advanced spatial douchebaggery." -- Geoff Manaugh

Vor 11 Monate
Juan Lopez
Juan Lopez

0 change orders....

Vor year
angelou27
angelou27

I’m sure there were some cor’s but deduct cor’s washed them out. Still impressive...tho i wonder if any subs took hits.

Vor 11 Monate
David Robertson
David Robertson

That's the one that got me!

Vor 11 Monate
Archer
Archer

I’ve been to two classical concerts at the Walt Disney Concert Hall. It is an exquisite space, and the acoustics are wonderful.

Vor year
Angela Gao
Angela Gao

Thank you for the video! Really inspiring for a young architecture student to see the other side of the spectrum

Vor year
Marie Troïtskaia
Marie Troïtskaia

The best!!!

Vor year
Ramesh Dubey
Ramesh Dubey

All forms of disturbing creativity should be for areas outside city limits .

Vor year
Jay
Jay

Yeah.... idk what they were thinking in Prague...

Vor year
Kenneth
Kenneth

Find the right cliënts! BINGO!

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alison norcross
alison norcross

Beautiful

Vor year
Garrett Bustos
Garrett Bustos

Zero change orders... Frank, you get top dollar clients

Vor year
AGBB
AGBB

Could you explain what a change order is? English is not my primary language...

Vor year
Nkosikhona Mnamatha
Nkosikhona Mnamatha

Help fund for fitness calendar www.fundforfitness.co.za

Vor year
Nkosikhona Mnamatha
Nkosikhona Mnamatha

Being at procedia hand .great architecture

Vor year
Sarah Vargas Música
Sarah Vargas Música

Such a genious! 😍

Vor year
NEGUS MBARKA
NEGUS MBARKA

Sarah Vargas give em a bonus for he pass away

Vor year
Margarita Tabellini
Margarita Tabellini

I finished a few hours ago the test for admission to architecture university... One of the questions was on his Guggenheim museum in Bilbao :D

Vor year
Enoch b
Enoch b

Music a hint of Gustavo Santaolalla.

Vor year
Mario Torrez Quant
Mario Torrez Quant

Bravo! 👏👏👏

Vor year
Reza Tayebi
Reza Tayebi

O Architect! O master! O GOD! Frank Gehry is really a Great Great Architecture for all the Time!

Vor year
martin kovacs
martin kovacs

this man looks so jewish my bank interest rate went up

Vor year
Alan Senzaki
Alan Senzaki

Thinks and feels like the artist he is. The frank lloyd wright of our time. Great video showing his creative thinking!!

Vor year
Dan Fer
Dan Fer

i love you frank thanks a lot for your art and refuce the critic opinion jaaaaa you are a genius and leyend

Vor year
Dan Fer
Dan Fer

@NEGUS MBARKA and so what? jajaj

Vor year
NEGUS MBARKA
NEGUS MBARKA

Dan Fer you are a worshipper

Vor year
Julian Felix
Julian Felix

Canada’s all time greatest architect

Vor year
Allen L
Allen L

He doesn't have Canadian citizenship.. powwww

Vor 11 Monate
NEGUS MBARKA
NEGUS MBARKA

Julian Felix not yet he still young in his journey

Vor year
AB Hockle
AB Hockle

I must admit his stuff looks better now than when I was in Architecture school back in the 90's. I didn't care for his stuff back then. It was all Tadao Ando back then.... concrete!!!! Concrete!

Vor year
AB Hockle
AB Hockle

@Andres Varela just like everyone else.

Vor year
Andres Varela
Andres Varela

U were so basic and mediocre at that time

Vor year
Erick Lopez
Erick Lopez

Your first photo of "Bilbao" is actually the Disney Concert Hall in Downtown Los Angeles.

Vor year
underballbutter
underballbutter

Stealing Surplus Labor Value or Inheriting a Fortune of stolen Surplus Labor Value? K got it.

Vor year
underballbutter
underballbutter

@Marc D oooooooo a Spector is haunting the internet...

Vor year
Marc D
Marc D

Found the communist

Vor year
monica Cruz
monica Cruz

Humble and great

Vor year
Tsetsi
Tsetsi

So... he was kinda interested!

Vor year
Teflon Smile
Teflon Smile

I wish a music venue (ASTRODOME) would be redesigned for a venue

Vor year
Paul Carter
Paul Carter

Inspiring creator and architect. Thanks guys for sharing this time capsule

Vor year
amir maibody
amir maibody

I have not seen many of his buildings to be visually inviting, different ? Yes

Vor year
Depends On How You Say It.
Depends On How You Say It.

I can never decide if I like this guys work or not. Somebody, help!

Vor year
Floral
Floral

I highly recommend watching his movie/ documentary he made from 2005. I hated his style and what he made and thought it look out of place but after watching that in class 1 day it changed my perspective on architecture and what it stands for completely

Vor 23 Tage
Jesse Leeward
Jesse Leeward

He is phenomenally overrated

Vor 5 Monate
Yasu Leone
Yasu Leone

I've always been a fan of his work.

Vor 11 Monate
Kara J
Kara J

I've never been a fan of his work. 😑

Vor year
Daniel Rod
Daniel Rod

Hahhaha same... Creo que amo su personalidad, su innovación más que sus edificios.

Vor year
Crystal Yeow
Crystal Yeow

Mr Frank Gehry, count you in.

Vor year
Robin Petit--Gerbier
Robin Petit--Gerbier

3:50 it's the Walt Disney Concert Hall, not bilbao museum.

Vor year
Jon Genova
Jon Genova

Similar looking design look it up

Vor 6 Monate
TheCptncrunchify
TheCptncrunchify

I always tell my students about timeless designs and art. Although he brings a lot of creativity and passion, his designs are not timeless. Meaning that his building will be out of place and ugly to most people in the next generation or two.

Vor year
Harylaba
Harylaba

Legend

Vor year
Israel Hernández
Israel Hernández

Legend

Vor year
Never Gonnatell
Never Gonnatell

Those buildings are disgusting honestly. They're post modern communist garbage. No beauty, or soul. If you think those post modern trash buildings are in any way comparable to greek architecture, you're delusional.

Vor year
Vejai Gajai
Vejai Gajai

Sir I work in one of your buildings and its one of the most beautiful sites I have ever seen. That property was 5:05

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heat flux
heat flux

Im not architect, but 3d modeler, I have a passion for 3d modeling,cgi. Can I make succesful career in archviz?

Vor year
Oluwaseun Ogunrinde
Oluwaseun Ogunrinde

Email me zackydareofficial49@gmail.com

Vor 9 Monate
Oluwaseun Ogunrinde
Oluwaseun Ogunrinde

Yes

Vor 9 Monate
DASHYDASH EYESPOKE
DASHYDASH EYESPOKE

I’m no architect,not even a fan but just read a book by John J. Davis on THE GUGGENHEIMS and they mention an architect there by the name of FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT who designed THE GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM OF ART...I would like to know, between Frank Gehry and Lloyd Wright who has better designs...???

Vor year
Barry Wainwright
Barry Wainwright

Frank Lloyd Wright by far has way more beautiful and functionally designed buildings.

Vor 11 Monate
DASHYDASH EYESPOKE
DASHYDASH EYESPOKE

atlegang Molefe Keya leboha ausi😉 I got two of F.L.W books,one is an Autobiography and showcasing some of his great designs. Also looking for F.G’s books, I wanna learn about both their works. I take it you are into Architect,Art,Design,Industrial and otherwise...??? Nna I’m not but just intrigued by the three different spheres.

Vor year
atlegang Molefe
atlegang Molefe

Frank Lloyd Wright in my opinion but to each their own.

Vor year
DASHYDASH EYESPOKE
DASHYDASH EYESPOKE

Justice Egwabor Thank you bro,I understand now.👍🏿

Vor year
Justice Egwabor
Justice Egwabor

DASHYDASH EYESPOKE Frank Lloyd Wright is a legend in his own Wright and time....... But Frank gehry man..... Is a living legend

Vor year
cie L
cie L

Sometimes we see a thing and say it is firmly built and then see another thing and say what's wrong with that building, firmly building is any building that follow the principles of architecture that widely agreed among architects, on the other hand, any building miss such principles people would hesitate to accept it. Art and Architecture are similar and different at the same time, How, would take time to say how. thanks.

Vor year
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SN MEDIA SERVICES LLC

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Vor year
Siyathokoza Zulu
Siyathokoza Zulu

🖤

Vor year
Ignacio Martínez Argüello
Ignacio Martínez Argüello

Now listening to Frank talk makes me cry of joy :)

Vor year
MAR JH
MAR JH

same I sees this video over and over can't stop loves him soooo much .

Vor year
D. Steven
D. Steven

I admire creativity, as much as I respect Gehry's long experience. But there is more to architecture than creativity, and this man has done the most to ruin an entire generation (or more) of architecture. I don't think history will judge him well once the novelty wears off.

Vor year
Ingrid Pezzoni
Ingrid Pezzoni

I totally agree with you. This person only wants notoriety like most people like him but his mind is destructive and he has created nothing.

Vor year
D. Steven
D. Steven

I take your point, but I was responding to @luis sanchez paye, not questioning your education.

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D. Steven
D. Steven

Because architecture grew from a very fundamental human need -- shelter -- and was refined by a secondary need -- beauty. Postmodernists and "deconstructivists" like Gehry actively dismiss both these things. By their own admitted philosophy, they build to "challenge" and "subvert" society. (May also explain why Gehry has such a big ego, and has told his critics to "f*ck off, people". He builds most of all for himself.) If you want to design and build, then good for you. But choose your education wisely.

Vor year
luis sanchez paye
luis sanchez paye

Why you say that? I'm sorry i'm starting to study architecture.

Vor year
Architect Frendly Tenazas
Architect Frendly Tenazas

my amazing Architect so damn design

Vor year
Romano Ian Dayagbil
Romano Ian Dayagbil

The building you show for Bilbao is actually the Walt Disney Concert Hall

Vor year
Rand
Rand

damn son i made this guys pavilion for an assignment

Vor year
sajid Mumtaz Raza
sajid Mumtaz Raza

Cheap...lol You eat up contractor's money and think it's cheap...behind every fortune, there's a crime...and this is what you did with contractors with zero change order...and 15% hold up.

Vor year
Adiali Philemon
Adiali Philemon

Inspirational

Vor year
MAR JH
MAR JH

Frank Gehry is my idol in architecture , studying architecture i found it not interesting but knowing him motivate me in this industry and hopefully praying to GOD I want to be a great architect like him . Like theres people like Gehry & Zaha Hadid & Norman foster etc.... make architecture not architecture makes them their name is a brand we don't say architect Frank Gehry no we say only Frank Gehry those are the legends who don't build building no they create a lifestyle and new technique they are so unique by mixing humanity with art and science and creativity to build a masterpiece .

Vor year
johnny lee
johnny lee

moron

Vor 5 Monate
MAR JH
MAR JH

@Małgorzata Bogusław sorry good luck woman .

Vor year
MAR JH
MAR JH

@Małgorzata Bogusław congrats bro wish you the best .

Vor year
MAR JH
MAR JH

@Małgorzata Bogusław its not show me one your project its show me one OF your projectS hahahahaha how i can now depends on your judgement if your grammar is funny HAHAHAHAH second of all you aren't Frank Gehry .LOL

Vor year
MAR JH
MAR JH

@Małgorzata Bogusław dude i really don't care about your comment or opinion , people won't change their believes we should respect other people or just don't care about their believes , you are the one who cares about mine I feel so stupid continuing this conversation anyway .

Vor year
Carlos Meca Morenilla
Carlos Meca Morenilla

That guy turned out to be Alvar Aalto...

Vor year
C Lonie
C Lonie

Alto was a genius this guy is a monster

Vor 11 Monate
Khalil Ferchichi
Khalil Ferchichi

@Małgorzata Bogusław Okay love whatever you say

Vor 11 Monate
Khalil Ferchichi
Khalil Ferchichi

@Małgorzata Bogusław Just the fact that you're sorry means that you care, so thank you :)

Vor 11 Monate
Khalil Ferchichi
Khalil Ferchichi

@Małgorzata Bogusław You Aalto designed a building based on the idea of civic rights, if you do get alvar aalto then you should treat people with respect

Vor 11 Monate
Ferdz Reyes
Ferdz Reyes

1:22

Vor year
Devin du Plessis
Devin du Plessis

300$/ft2 😱 that’s a lot of money 😂

Vor year
Devin du Plessis
Devin du Plessis

@Craig McCracken Yeah I understand that :D but that is still a ton of cash.

Vor year
Craig McCracken
Craig McCracken

it's unbelievably cheap for a public building with such i mental design

Vor year
MAR JH
MAR JH

well he is frank gehry  HAHAHA

Vor year
private828
private828

11 engineers clicked dislike on this video!

Vor year
Bruno56
Bruno56

At least they have feet’s on ground.

Vor 4 Monate
Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

3:58 the reference its mistaken, that´s the Walt Disney concert Hall, not Bilbao.

Vor year
TheWill2Create ?
TheWill2Create ?

Exactly! I thought I was going crazy

Vor 2 Monate
Khalid AlSaidni
Khalid AlSaidni

You're right.

Vor year
RXJ020
RXJ020

That is not Bilbao on the first shoot. Is the Disney hall in Los angeles.

Vor year
UroborosJayThink
UroborosJayThink

"How do you create feelings with inert materials" -Frank Ghery what a legend

Vor year
Hayden Goodman
Hayden Goodman

@DOPEdwarf *flings scarf, pop-a-shots empty latte into trashcan, peels away on a moped*

Vor 3 Monate
Rommel the Cat
Rommel the Cat

@DOPEdwarf Yeah but Frankie said it.

Vor 7 Monate
Constantine
Constantine

Indeed. This pretty much describes his whole work!

Vor 8 Monate
DOPEdwarf
DOPEdwarf

Is this supposed to be an impressive sentiment? Literally the thought process of every artist in human history

Vor 9 Monate
jc6594
jc6594

Happy 90th Birthday Frank Gehry

Vor year
EAS MEDIA
EAS MEDIA

the way he describes buildings is...

Vor year
Bruno56
Bruno56

....sick!

Vor 4 Monate
A New Day
A New Day

Basic

Vor year
life is a
life is a

This dude is a legend

Vor year
Matt Celeste
Matt Celeste

You dropped your crown king

Vor 5 Monate
Stefano
Stefano

Total Simp

Vor 5 Monate
Steven
Steven

HAH SIMP

Vor 5 Monate
Joe Meyer
Joe Meyer

Oh look, a Jew who despises DJT, who’s buildings look like aircraft hangars stuck in a tornado, Forbes would feature him. . .

Vor year
Martin Sahagun Siles
Martin Sahagun Siles

this guy is the best

Vor year
JVS 3
JVS 3

I find Gehry’s work ridiculous, like he took a scribble and thought it was serious work and used his credentials to push his silliness. Like many contemporaries of the modern age, we elevate graphiti into high art, childish pop into serious music, unwearable clothing into high fashion, cartoon figurines into sculpture... in a 100 yrs this age of grotesque decadence will be asked “what were they thinking?” No I am not saying it needs be classical or renaissance, but true art has a critical refinement, that should rise above a whimsical reaction, gehrys work all looks happenstance trying too hard to be innovative

Vor year
Luciano Rodriguez
Luciano Rodriguez

@Małgorzata Bogusław haha not sure why I went to you. The comment was to JVS

Vor year
2nd Birth
2nd Birth

@Małgorzata Bogusław I'm not sure what exactly you are saying, you have been angry since birth, abused, neglected? But I do know staying angry only harms you and others around you. This perpetuates the cycle or anger and hatred. Try to forgive and move on with your life or you'll just end up throwing your whole life away. Best wishes. Oh and I know people laugh at Christianity nowadays, but when life gets too much ask God to come into your life, you might be surprised by what happens. I was at a low place and Jesus woke me up and changed my life.

Vor year
Luciano Rodriguez
Luciano Rodriguez

"...but true art has a critical refinement..." Go and check his tender documents, I bet you will find critical refinement all over it. And the building he designs are statements and that's why people pay big money to have his name attached to it. Bilbao was a dead city before the Guggenheim. One building literally brought that city to the spotlight, one building. Call it what ever you want, but this guy knows exactly how to achieve the brief.

Vor year
gustavo espinosa
gustavo espinosa

Spinning Top again let me rephrase, it doesn’t matter what your opinion of Gary’s work is, or wether he has enjoyed success in his lifetime as opposed to Van Gogh. The point is that people have always criticized artist regardless of their medium when they try out new things.

Vor year
2nd Birth
2nd Birth

@Małgorzata Bogusław Honestly, try to relax or you'll do yourself some harm. I hope you find peace. I would suggest offering your opinion but not gettig so angry, then maybe people will consider what you are saying.

Vor year

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