Helios Airways flight 522 - WHAT happened?!

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    On the 14th Of August 2005 Helios Airways flight 522 took off from Larnaca, Cyprus on a routine flight via Athens to Prague. Due to a combination a of faulty cockpit setup and misidentification of the different cockpit alarms the pilots became unconscious and the aircraft continued it silent flight towards Athens without anyone at the controls.
    In this video I will explain the final report and give you my view of the different things that happened on this very tragic flight.

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Irish sixty six Fan
Irish sixty six Fan

There is an annoying station announcement for the British transport police with the 3 S'S called see it say it sort it usually anything thats noticed in the cabin should come under the 3s's

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Joe Haddad
Joe Haddad

Out of all the accident reports this one terrified me the most.

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Martin Badke
Martin Badke

Are cockpit voice recorders longer now? I would guess with how cheap memory is they could be for hours and silent times compressed to fit entire flights in without looping and over-writing.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

2 Hours

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djtomoy
djtomoy

This is a horror story

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Chris Williams
Chris Williams

DAMN! Just damn. Putting myself in the position of the last crew member entering the cockpit in just enough time for all engine flameout. Terrible, sad and avoidable.

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Chiron
Chiron

Hypoxia can be surprisingly insidious - our bodies don't really have a way to measure oxygen directly. The feeling of suffocation and the urge to breathe are driven by a buildup of CO2. So in a slowly thinning atmosphere, there is little indication that anything is wrong. Not only does the lack of oxygen weaken higher reasoning, it's also often accompanied by a sense of euphoria that can override any concerns about what's happening. The notion that you can go from communicating normally to out cold in only a few moments, without even thinking to grab a nearby mask... Is disconcerting.

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Markos
Markos

I just love how he says "Anyway....".

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L
L

Anyone know how long the flight was between the airports? I don’t understand how no one could have tried to go into the cockpit and that the airplane could circle the airport that many times without anyone interrupting

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Speedbird
Speedbird

About 1 Hr and 30-45 minutes And I totally agree with your comment👍🏻

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L
L

Crazy story. Seems impossible all the wrong things could have kept on happening

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Curtis. Evans
Curtis. Evans

Nicely done, very detailed and clear explanations hindsight being 20/20. As I look at this accident one question is always there: why didn't they just descend to 10,000 ft when the oxygen masks deployed? I have to wonder if "subtle hypoxia" is not so subtle? It seems to me the airplane did everything right until it ran out of fuel, and I don't know why Boing was cited in the report.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

The master caution wasnt pushed in for about a minute, the most likely scenario is that the master caution for the mask drop came just after it came on for equipment cooling, so when they did the reset they reset both but only noticed the equipment cooling (the system light for "pass oxy ON" is far back on the overhead panel so they wouldnt notice it without the master caution).

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Marcus H.
Marcus H.

It's really worrying how flight safety was so dependant on individual performance of each human involved and why the aurcraft allows the crew to go into unsafe conditions with almost no diffficulty

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Matthew Miller
Matthew Miller

As a nervous flyer, I hate hearing about the accidents but I really DO appreciate understanding just how many things had to go wrong at the same time for it to happen, and I also appreciate hearing how changes are forced to ensure it can't happen again. It doesn't help my irrational fears, but at least I do understand its safe (even if I am still freaking out). I'm the strange person who during a diversion for low fuel was in panic "omg I'm going to have to endure more extra take-offs than planned idk if I can handle this" while I can explain to everyone around me (freaking out about zomg out of gas) why its actually still safe because there are mandatory fuel minimums to safely divert to a safe place and it actually just means they can't continue to the original destination with enough fuel to double-back to the alternate safely.

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Muck006
Muck006

With all the incidents that involve several systems breaking down at the same time ... AND THE WARNING SIGNALS OVERWRITING EACH OTHER ... I wonder if it would make sense to have a screen where such warning messages are listed in chronological order IN TEXT FORM. You could read up on them AND it would make confusing two signals less likely ... or at least there would be a system to "double-check".

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Speedbird
Speedbird

No warning signals are overwriting each other..capital letters or not😆😉

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Muck006
Muck006

Flying is "safe" because ... - there are no children playing in the street / running after a ball - there are no idiots trying to cross a now-red-traffic-light - the distances to other stuff you can collide with are usually far FAR larger than in any other mode of transportation

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Gearwrench
Gearwrench

I like this type of content. Especially how its handled to prevent it from happening again. I also enjoy watching the TV-show Mayday, thats pretty much the same thing.

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robert solimanm
robert solimanm

As long as no dogs where killed in good to go

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Alice F
Alice F

I love the trigger warning. It helps me be prepared and that makes the content so much more enjoyable for me!!

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tinzi4x4
tinzi4x4

If the captain was a typical german whose rank has dotten to his head, he would have been arrogant, treating subordinates in such a way that they would know that he is the CAPTAIN/BOSS and he would not or hardly accept any input from a subordinate. I, being a german myself, have noticed this type of behaviour quite often from my superiors and they cannot tolerate that a subordinate might be right and they will ignore such input to prove that they are in charge. In my case I had once given my superior the advice that something would not work and that it would have such and such consequences. His answer was 'What do you know?' and he ignored my warning/advice until it was too late. Although I had made sure that no-one else had witnessed me giving the advice/warning to ensure that he would not loose face, I became his most disliked subordinate. This I have noticed to be typical german and during my al,most 14 years back in germany after living and working abroad, I have witnessed such incidents on numerous occasions. this is why many german subordinates have resorted to an attitude of 'Let him run in the wall!' and they will not make suggestions on what they see. I can clearly picture that this german pilot was one of those arrogant know it all beter superiors.

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nadine jackson
nadine jackson

So many things went wrong, i dont like to speak ill of the dead but wouldnt the pilots have felt a difference in pressure? In the thickness of the air? Simply levelling the plane to a breathable height while going through the problems! Id have assumed that the auto pilot would have had some kind of failsafe that meant the computer would pick up a list of serious faults and bring the plane down itself? Sorry im fairly new to aviation and only here as a casual viewer.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

The autopilot got no connection/input to or from the pressurization system.

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MaxTech
MaxTech

series of mistakes ended up in disaster, its will be helpful if all the errors during the flights also communicate back to air traffic towers in the area.

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Moritz von Schweinitz
Moritz von Schweinitz

Sice this was after 9/11, would't the cockpit door have been locked and reinforced? How did that poor person enter the cockpit then?

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Speedbird
Speedbird

Yep, locked and bullet proof👍🏻 Entry by a four didget code.

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Connor Lundeen
Connor Lundeen

Was there a line of thinking, as to correct this happening in the future, to where the plane can detect no pilot input for a set amount of time, to send an alert to the pilot, and if no response, to send a transmission to ground control to ask for clearance to change altitude to a breathable altitude, and then execute it? I get that autopilot is rather simple, but it seems like this would be a good way of dealing with it.

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COBRA gaming
COBRA gaming

So many failures by human error and inexperience, a total tragedy that could have been avoided and my condolences to all those families who lost their loved ones, R.I.P. I believe that a 1st officer and captain should check his air craft both inside and outside and all paperwork including flight log and weather charts and information before taking off and embarking and follow all procedures by the book including safety protocol and first aid , just my opinion. I heard of a story once of fuel lines freezing and cracking mid air also air inertia problems and oxygen circulation problems which can lead to oedema and hypothermia symptoms and loss of consciousness plus blood restriction and narrowing of arteries due to not enough oxygen getting to the brain. I would rather take my time preparing the flight than rush and post haste. Also (do not) rely just on auto control and be prepared to use manual control of an air craft in case of emergency.

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Michal Soukup
Michal Soukup

What is it with the flights en route from that part of Medditerean to Prague and authoritative captains fucking up? (Smart Wings 1125 for anyone who dont gets the reference)

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Foxdie
Foxdie

Not knowing how to fly a 737 is horrible..but not knowing how to do it while in hypoxia…is ghastly. Poor guy.

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Tajammul Rizvi
Tajammul Rizvi

What is the link to your UK Amazon Shop?

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Michael McNeil
Michael McNeil

It sounds like the captain was the key failure because the 1st officer would be likely to cut corners and go with the flow of a typical German tit. No offence intended. I know it will be given (but we have people like this even in Britain, I know few will believe me but it IS true. Britain is by great coincidence half way between Germany and Canada. Thus a mixture of hard and soft tits.)

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@Michael McNeil Auditing a crash🤣😂Really??😆 You’re not king of the internet, you’re lord of the flies..🤪

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Michael McNeil
Michael McNeil

@Speedbird No. In the first place, I am king of the internet and you are not allowed to argue -never mind disagree! See how that works? And in the second place, if a captain does nor overrule a yes man he is in trouble and the situation was that he was overworking, according to the safety board auditing the crash. IOW they were a dangerous team or rather they were not a team, just a danger looking for the next hazard. If the captain overuled his second in command at any time he would have to carry that burden of having no further feedback I suffer the same problem when the tropical storms cease and a volcano radicalises to an epic eruption. In my case my internet service tends to die which should be a safety valve but make me explosively dangerous. Imagine if I was President of America and you were General Milly. What would you do if you thought President Trump was a Nuclear Threat? What would you do if you thought getting out of Afghanistan immediately was a good idea?

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Speedbird
Speedbird

"The captain was the key to failure because the FO would be likely to cut corners?!" Do you not see how wrong that sentence is?? 🙆🏻‍♂️😆

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Fal Young
Fal Young

I would like mentour's explanation of Qantas Airlines....the only airline that hasn't had a crash in 70 years

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Nathan Whaley
Nathan Whaley

He never said it, but was everyone on the plane except the one person dead from hypoxia or were they just unconscious when the plane crashed?

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SRT8Driver
SRT8Driver

how many times have I heard that word 'experienced' in this and that....and it's always those same people that wind up either killing themselves or along with others experienced helicopter pilot experienced plane pilot experienced ocean liner captain experienced mountain climber experienced hikers and yet all that experience still didn't matter

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Jess Henshall
Jess Henshall

I remember this so vividly. I was in Cyprus with my family at the time for my birthday and we were supposed to be on this exact plane the day after the accident happened. Instead we were put on a plane with no markings and were told what had happened. I was too young to understand at the time but now it was such a tragic accident.

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Goedelite Kurt
Goedelite Kurt

Anyone who believes that "the aviation industry never sweeps anything under the rug" will also buy a bridge that connects Manhattan Island to Long Island.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

How how was this swept under the rug?🤷🏻‍♂️

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mary kopp
mary kopp

Loved the entire program mkk

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Thomas B
Thomas B

This is the script of a horror movie.

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Rocky Atlantis
Rocky Atlantis

I'm not a pilot yet but in my opinion if I notice too many warnings at the early stage I would not ascend any further and I either lower my altitude or quickly land at the nearest airport bcos it's simple common sense! When you see oxygen masks falling from the ceiling it pretty much means there is fire or the cabin pressure is screwed up and you will run out of breathable air very soon.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

In a 737 falling passenger oxygen masks pretty much means one thing: the cabin altitude is 14000ft..😉

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Endless Universe
Endless Universe

24:34 with all due respect, the Mentour Merch overlay is not appropriate during this explanation of how people are dying

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Zora
Zora

What's crazy about this case is that one aircrew who revived himself with one of those 4 tanks and got into the cockpit near the end. Sadly, he couldn't save the plane.

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Liz Merrick
Liz Merrick

When I read about this flight the first time it only said the crew had passed out- so I thought all the passengers were sitting there for two hours waiting to crash! I was relieved that they were spared that horror thought it must have been terrifying. I believe that poor, brave man was really unlucky to have survived to try to save the plane. Was it true that he managed to steer the plane away from Athens, preventing civilian casualties?

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Donald Salkovick
Donald Salkovick

You tell these stories so good and thoroughly

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Tes
Tes

Jesus Christ. We have to warn people that there will be a mentioning of "loss of life" in videos now? What a bunch of snowflakes we've become.

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kilicsami
kilicsami

How did the stewardess enter the cockpit???? Can only be unlocked from the cockpit right?? Specially after 9/11.. Never the less condolences to the families 🙏🏻

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@kilicsami No longer exits?🙄

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kilicsami
kilicsami

@Speedbird so this was functional at the time as at present this no longer exists right?

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Speedbird
Speedbird

By a four digit code on the cabin side of the door

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Ian m
Ian m

Captain greets boarding passenger, passenger, pressurisation system set to auto?Just making sure.

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Kez C
Kez C

How horrific to be that last person. Seeing people scared and confused Watching everyone pass out and die also the few you'd try to save too, knowing your next if you dont get more oxygen, finally getting into the cockpit only to realise the pilots were dead too, seeing the fighter pilots knowing they r there to potentially shoot you down, and just when they thought the cabin was the quietest it had ever been it only gets quieter as the fuel runs out and having a front row seat as the ground comes up to meet them. Or maybe im thinking way to much into it

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Ghost WTG
Ghost WTG

I think you've said some things that never happened...

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Speedbird
Speedbird

Uhm…what?🤷🏻‍♂️

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サハユリーちゃん
サハユリーちゃん

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Speedbird
Speedbird

That thumbnail is actually quite accurate..

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Y209 AEX
Y209 AEX

How sad.

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J Garbo
J Garbo

Greece: restina, halvas, dancing. Not flying...Icarus....

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Ryan Atkinson
Ryan Atkinson

I'm confused as to why the cabin pressurization warning sound isn't more direct and verbal. Something like "Cabin pressure" then reading off the equivalent altitude. There's less ability for a hypoxic person to interpret that incorrectly. Even if you're not hypoxic yet, it would take a lot of ambiguity out of a time critical situation

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Speedbird
Speedbird

I agree, but the cabin altitude warning/takeoff config warning sound is really loud, so its not like its not going to be noticed.

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Colonial Viper Mk II
Colonial Viper Mk II

The first alarm, I get. The second, the takeoff config while the plane was already in flight is something I don't understand. What was that alarm about?

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Colonial Viper Mk II
Colonial Viper Mk II

@Speedbird Figures...😐

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@Colonial Viper Mk II I got quite a few comments on the Vision Factory video as well, its probably one of the worse videos Ive seen regarding this accident😒

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@Colonial Viper Mk II Thats incorrect🤨 Only the cabin altitude warning did go off out of those two, and the two did not have their own warning light at that time (came after the accident).

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Colonial Viper Mk II
Colonial Viper Mk II

@Speedbird I came here from ViSion Factory's video. That one has both alarms happening one-after-the-other in quick succession, both warning lights on.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@Colonial Viper Mk II It didnt, the cabin altitude warning went off, the flight crew mistook it for a takeoff config warning since the warning sound is the same.

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joshig1983
joshig1983

If the pilot and copilot wore biometric sensors or their chairs detected movement, it might be possible to detect incapacitation of pilots from the prolonged lack of movement in chair, slowed breathing, slowed heart rate... If the autopilot system could sense incapacitation of the pilots, it could reengage autopilot(if not already using autopilot). If internal pressure is too low while both pilots are unconscious, it could fly to 10,000 feet or as close to that as safely possible. This could further improve a similar situation for the future by helping pilots, crew, and passengers regain the oxygen to stay conscious and respond to whatever problems were causing the pilots to lose consciousness.

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Sto So
Sto So

There are too many switches how can anyone make sense of them all

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name
name

22:00 So chilling to imagine the cabin crew person used all the 3 hours worth of oxygen cylinders all to himself and went into cockpit only after seeing F16s? I wonder what his strategy was. Also, at this point did all the passengers die of hypoxia? Do people just pass out or actually die at 30+K feet altitude?

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@name Its actually not a switch you can flip, but yeah😉 I would say they actually convicted them for 121 years but then they found out that Roland Freisler-type courtrooms ended in ‘45🤭

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name
name

@Speedbird that's what I read in the report. The co-pilot going over the checklist didn't make sure the pressurization button is flipped to auto instead of manual. They tried to convict the ground engineer, CEO, flight operating manager, and the chief flight officer, 4 people for this. But later they dropped and some got fined.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@name Any of the cabin crew should have gone in 3-4 minutes after mask drop if the aircraft is still in a climb😏 But probably assumed that the pilots had their masks on, but they shouldnt be in a climb anyways at that point. What do you mean by "as it was marked failure to follow standard operating prosedure"?

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name
name

@Speedbird oh I see, didn't know, but it's really bugging me like why didn't he go inside the cockpit much before because crew knows even pilots have hardly few mins of oxygen left. Also I figured all the passengers were alive but in an irreversible coma. That clarifies my doubt. Also the ground engineer didn't get sentenced as it was marked failure to follow SOP.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@name Yep, the portable oxygen bottles on that aircraft lasted 1hr 15mins or 2hr 35min depending on the choosen outlet, but his girlfriend was also seen in the cockpit (not sure if Mentour mentioned that..) so he must have provided or shared with her🙄

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Ian Bell
Ian Bell

Excellent synopsis of this very tragic accident. Thank you. I’m curious why the crew’s hypoxia training didn’t kick in. Did the airline at that time have a training program to expose crew members to their individual hypoxia symptoms in an altitude chamber? All of the private (Part 91) operators that I flew with required this altitude chamber training approximately every three years. I definitely agree that CRM was not much in evidence in this case. CRM includes all crew members…including the cabin crew. Again, a well presented accident summary.

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Gudleiv Harrystad
Gudleiv Harrystad

👏

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Glenn Tang
Glenn Tang

Boeing makes a system that fails to communicate what exactly it's doing, huh? Seems to be a recurrent problem.

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Zadar Thule
Zadar Thule

And i figured they would not have been able to enter the cockpit. Tragic that he did not try earlier to enter.

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yyelloww212
yyelloww212

There’s only the tiniest comfort amidst this absolute horror here…most of them had no idea what was coming.

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Jacob Hill
Jacob Hill

Complacency kills

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dragade101
dragade101

Dont ever make alarms for two radically different things to be the same warning.... Kind of amazing Boeing thought this was ok.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@dragade101 Its still the same sound, but there is two additional separate lights, one for takeoff config and one for cabin altitude. I agree that the solution should have been better, but it makes more sense to have the same aural warning for two very different system faults then for two very simmilar system faults, if you must use the same warning sound for two systems.

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dragade101
dragade101

​@Speedbird I dont know today but the warnings used to be the same (on the ground, an incorrect config vs the plane depressurised). That very different systems use the same warning, I have umbrage with this. Sure they planes are based and built on very analogue means but they can do better with the faults and warnings.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@dragade101 Would..I wrote would😉😆

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dragade101
dragade101

@Speedbird would or wouldn't? The implied double negative is a nightmare lol

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Speedbird
Speedbird

Would actually be worst if they werent radically different😉

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Tony Montanna
Tony Montanna

You are very good at this. Keep them coming and I’ll be a fan for life.

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Ralphie Raccoon
Ralphie Raccoon

I flew over this accident site on an Olympic puddle jumper from Naxos. I remember there were loads of burnt out trees near the crash site, and small forest fires still burning nearby. I don't know if the crash caused those or if it was something else.

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adam g
adam g

Man i stumbled upon your channel a while ago randomly and have been hooked. Quality content and all the effort you put in really shows through!

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Mentour Pilot
Mentour Pilot

Thank you! Welcome to the channel

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RainScratch
RainScratch

Thank you Petter for a detailed and studied analysis. The accident report goes into great detail of course and many important issues are raised. The report is well worth looking at in its entirety. 1. Most of Helios' cockpit crews, engineers and ground staff were transient. The Captain and First Officer of the accident flight had worked for many airlines previously in rapid succession, short stints for example, and this can lead to dissociation from the company they were currently employed with. Indifferent, no continuity of loyalty, respect etc. The Captain's authoritative attitude also hindered healthy CRM (Crew Resource Management0 2. This B737-300 aircraft had gone through MULTIPLE issues with the pressurization system over an extended period - not just the previous flight. It was reported as a co-factor that the pressurization switch was in Manual mode (mostly ground testing of system) due to the engineer doing a ground test, not switching it back to Auto. The main causative factor in this accident was that the flight crew not noticing it was in Manual, Not Auto. But there was also a large contributing co-factor in that there was something wrong with the pressurization system and/or structure in general to cause the multiple issues - such as loud bangs from the R2 (rear) door reported in a previous flight by cabin crew, or frozen mist around the door opening on another occasion.

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MarkPMus
MarkPMus

You’d think that a warning that the cabin wasn’t pressurised would be a massive light right under the pilots’ noses. And failing to do something about it within maybe 10 or 20 seconds would prompt the aeroplane to take automatic action. If a plane can automatically fly itself, you’d think they could make it flick a switch to auto…. This accident was so preventable.

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troll hunter
troll hunter

Where's your dog's

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Yaroslav Миколайович
Yaroslav Миколайович

Seems the pilot's brains were damaged long before the hypoxia ☠️

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kovestomi
kovestomi

Hi, I am a line maintenance engineer on this tipe. For me was the bigest problem that nobody realised the deadly design of the pressure control panel on B737. If the manual mode is selected on the pressure control panel the FLT ALT and LAND ALT display must shows dashes, if no the problem stays on, and more passangers and crew can die. The boeig must redesing the pressure control panel to prevent the next human error and next crash. The human error is happening the system must be failsafe.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

Are you now? 🤔Does your airline really still have 737CLs? If the manual mode is selected, the automatic control systems are disarmed, that should maybe be your main focus😉 And you want Boeing to redesign the pressure control panel?! This was in 2005, this was a 737-300 and the 737NG is a bit different and this hasnt happened since..Havent you been reading your bulletins? 😆😉

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JoshSheffsAgain
JoshSheffsAgain

Just so wondering HOW CC do proceed these days if the cockpit crew are incapacitated by hypoxia, given they're no longer able to gain access to the cockpit since 9/11?

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@JoshSheffsAgain Yep, really👍🏻 Which roles do they have in the industry then?🤔 This accident was also post 9/11 by the way.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

@JoshSheffsAgain Well..think you gonna have to argue with the airlines on that one because that is what they do.

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JoshSheffsAgain
JoshSheffsAgain

@Speedbird you can't give CC a code to get through the door, as that's likely to be surrendered under duress by CC to hijackers

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JoshSheffsAgain
JoshSheffsAgain

@Speedbird really? Cos everything im aware of, and I have family in the industry is that the rules post 9/11 remain

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Speedbird
Speedbird

Thats been changed since the Germanwings incident..

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Comrade Kennedy
Comrade Kennedy

That guy was fixing his hair when putting on the oxygen mask lmao

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Richard D
Richard D

This is why I avoid flying whenever possible...

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Speedbird
Speedbird

Because something that happened 15 years ago and hasnt happened since?🤷🏻‍♂️

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Firstname Lastname
Firstname Lastname

That cabin altitude warning seems like a system that should act on it's own first, then warn the supervising human that it did the thing.

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Speedbird
Speedbird

The supervising human huh? 👍🏻😆

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JK
JK

Pressure switch should be Amber when in Manual mode

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Professional Insultant
Professional Insultant

what a stupid way to die

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Ben7594
Ben7594

R.i.p Hopefully this doesn't happen again! Bless all the families who where not he plane and lost a family member.🙏

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oceans taiga
oceans taiga

I do wonder if there were other flight attendants still awake. In the transcript of the crash report a person can be heard in the cockpit (presumably the one that waved) but there also is a sound in the background they described as similar to when crew requests for access to the cockpit, making it possible there was at least another person awake left but probably only one of them went into the cockpit at that point as he was the only one with any flight experience. The fact that he even tried to find a solution with his lacking skills is admirable but also such a scary picture knowing he will crash the plane in the end.

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robert solimanm
robert solimanm

I’m gonna be a patron member after this pandemic ends

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robert solimanm
robert solimanm

You have amazing story telling skills . There are not many channels and by this I mean no channels that I have litterally watched every single video and wait in anticipation for the next one to come out .

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robert solimanm
robert solimanm

This is a Crazy story .. to bad they carnt send pilots in from another aircraft like bane does on Batman

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FreakShowYT
FreakShowYT

I think they had posion

Vor Monat
Speedbird
Speedbird

@FreakShowYT Still a muppet huh..🤷🏻‍♂️

Vor Monat
FreakShowYT
FreakShowYT

@Speedbird it means ばかげた

Vor Monat
Speedbird
Speedbird

@FreakShowYT Could you translate that to English..?🤔😆

Vor Monat
FreakShowYT
FreakShowYT

@Speedbird we are flying through the boosh with a ally ass lol

Vor Monat
Speedbird
Speedbird

You`re a muppet🤦🏻‍♂️

Vor Monat
Marco Sánchez
Marco Sánchez

What a horrific situation. I feel for everyone on board but at least most of them were likely unconscious.

Vor Monat
Corona Tyrus
Corona Tyrus

The engineers didn't find a problem with that door/and possible leak... Wasn't thát a contributing factor??

Vor Monat
Corona Tyrus
Corona Tyrus

@Speedbird 👍🏻

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Speedbird
Speedbird

An aircraft under pressure will only leak outwards so if its within the limits it wouldnt be an issue.

Vor Monat
Corona Tyrus
Corona Tyrus

Mentour Pilot/ or anyone that might know (?)..... What's the practical purpose of that 'pressure control' switch - if it's seemingly not suppose to be in the manual position!??

Vor Monat
Speedbird
Speedbird

@JoshSheffsAgain Time stamp?🤔

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JoshSheffsAgain
JoshSheffsAgain

@Speedbird toward the beginning, I'll find the time stamp later on for you.

Vor Monat
Speedbird
Speedbird

@JoshSheffsAgain He does? When?🤔

Vor Monat
JoshSheffsAgain
JoshSheffsAgain

@Speedbird he explains this in the video ... Nothing new 😈

Vor Monat
Corona Tyrus
Corona Tyrus

@Speedbird Thank you...

Vor Monat
ShikataGaNai100
ShikataGaNai100

I cannot even imagine the state of mind that the crew member felt when he entered the cockpit. He was alert until impact...at least the others were not.

Vor Monat
rghunt
rghunt

How did the flight attendant get into the cockpit? Wouldn't the lock have to be released from inside?

Vor Monat
Speedbird
Speedbird

No, it should be in the "auto" setting, meaning you can enter by punshing in a four didget code.

Vor Monat
Vinesh Soorju
Vinesh Soorju

Why they. Do not instal software to land a plane fro the ground

Vor Monat
Andreas Glad
Andreas Glad

Haha, styrbords och babordskuddar?

Vor 2 Monate
Tobacc0
Tobacc0

Can't all the warnings nowadays be recorded verbally instead of just a beeping like the terrain warning?

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

ALL the warnings?! Really??🙄 No, they cant. The terrain warning is verbally by the way😉

Vor 2 Monate
Mark Freeman
Mark Freeman

What is terrible about this incident, is that the cabin crew could have just informed the pilot that he needed to descend. They would have been expecting that, but, the pilots were convinced it was erroneous warning for takeoff config.

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

Totally agree on the cabin crew point👍🏻The pilots were muppets tho, the takeoff config warning wouldnt suddenly go off at 10000ft with any input.

Vor 2 Monate
Christopher Wilson
Christopher Wilson

Your videos are spot on technically procedurally. An education in dreadful possibilities and hope in lessons learned.

Vor 2 Monate
Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

Tragedy unfolding told in a compelling and solemn way.

Vor 2 Monate
dirething
dirething

Something I have always wondered about this one is why the cabin crew waited to long to go and check what the hell was going on in the cockpit. The o2 generators being short duration items is fairly common knowledge and the plane still being far too high for a depressurized cabin would have been fairly apparent so if someone would have gone forward after the o2 packs had finished their burn they likely could have just put a mask on one of the flight crew and woken then up, even if they had gone up after the plane entered the hold pattern they would have had almost an hour to work on a different outcome before the fuel ran out.

Vor 2 Monate
Besnik Useini
Besnik Useini

the most shocking thing to me is the fact that the cabin crew didn’t report to the captain that the oxygen masks automatically deployed! That would surly have made the captain think pressurization lower altitude…. Or he again may have doubted his instruments and said cabin crew stay out of it like some stubborn bosses do. God knows.

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

That would definately made a difference👍🏻

Vor 2 Monate
ubuntuber
ubuntuber

kala entered the minds of checklisters through their pingla nadi creating glitch in thought process and claimed souls, there are special beings that claim/save lives through air crash

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

🤦🏻‍♂️

Vor 2 Monate
Buitl by Bear
Buitl by Bear

... all that caused by one switch being off .... and nobody figured it out ...

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

Yes..that is what this video is saying..🙄

Vor 2 Monate
BlowItOutYourCunt
BlowItOutYourCunt

I'm more impressed by the airplane mechanics than the pilots sometimes, if they do their job well - you get there in one piece and no one ever says Thank you to them. Pilots are great but planes must have good service or else they are doomed, no matter how intelligent brave or knowledgeable the pilots are - proper engineers and maintenance are a must! Thank you to ALL those who make sure we get there in one piece! Cheers

Vor 2 Monate
Mr Techie
Mr Techie

How about chain of command including all of the crew, and training everyone to use the radio for an emergency? If there is an obviously emergency and the flight deck doesn't respond within two minutes, enter the flight deck, radio an emergency, and request instructions! Could have also given oxygen to the flight crew.

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

To contact the flight crew when something happens is probably in every airline protocol now, but of course they shouldnt use the radio🤨

Vor 2 Monate
Ian Hinson
Ian Hinson

Agreed. Flight attendants should be trained to report anything unusual to the cockpit straight away. For example "Captain, the oxygen masks have come down. We have low cabin pressure." Also, eg. British Midland Flight 92 - "Captain, smoke is coming from the left engine." Varig Flight 254 - "Captain, we have several angry passengers violently complaining that the plane is flying west instead of north." Immediate reporting of these events could've saved lives, and probably also in many other cases I don't know about. I think there's either a tendency to wrongly assume that the cockpit automatically knows everything, or (especially in some cultures) a timidity to speak up for fear of recrimination.

Vor 2 Monate
Steven Tatlock
Steven Tatlock

Then why not make the default 'auto'.

Vor 2 Monate
Steven Tatlock
Steven Tatlock

@Speedbird I have no idea about flying but surely if the default was 'auto' this accident would not have occurred. fascinated.

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

Because there is a reason for a manual setting😉

Vor 2 Monate
Mr Techie
Mr Techie

Why not just descend to a safe altitude?

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

Because they didnt understand what the problem was🙄

Vor 2 Monate
Mr Techie
Mr Techie

Would their ears have felt anything unusual?

Vor 2 Monate
Speedbird
Speedbird

No😕

Vor 2 Monate
George Yiannakopoulos
George Yiannakopoulos

I recall this as if it was yesterday. I had just landed in Northern Greece (Thessaloniki, SKG), having flown from London for my summer holidays. As soon I exited the aircraft and was walking down the steps my mobile rang. It was one of my friends here in the UK who was checking on me as they've heard on the news that an airliner had crashed in Greece but he didn't know where and was understandably concerned. Needless to say, having just stepped out of our very own, British Airways 737-400, my blood froze. My parents waiting for me at the exit had no idea of the crash, and in a way it was much better that way. I went home, turned on the TV and watched as news trickled through. A total tragedy, and it could have been so easily avoided by the so many warnings that the crew was presented with during the flight. A few years later I was watching an interview with the then Prime Minister Karamanlis who gave the order for the F-16s to scramble and also instructed the pilots to go "weapons hot" (i.e. shoot the jet down) if the possibility of the jet crashing in a populated area arose. Thankfully this didn't happen but he said it was the most difficult decision of his political life and he still carries memories of it to this day. There are also videos on YouTube of the F-16 pilots that were in the jets that day and they also describe the incident as the worst that they had experienced in their careers. RIP.

Vor 2 Monate
George Yiannakopoulos
George Yiannakopoulos

@Garrett Smith I'd try and look for it for you, there is a possibility that it may have been taken down as it was over 10 years old. The videos were also in Greek as far as I remember. I'll come back to you if I can locate them.

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Garrett Smith
Garrett Smith

@George Yiannakopoulos do you have a link to the video you are referring to?

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George Yiannakopoulos
George Yiannakopoulos

@Mentour Pilot me too Petter. My dad was serving as an officer in the Greek Army at the time so I can ask him if he has any contacts in the Hellenic Airforce that we can enquire with. I must admit for a pilot it may be hard to talk about such an event and most of those pilots are probably retired by now but it's worth asking. I'll be in touch if I find anything interesting.

Vor 2 Monate
Mentour Pilot
Mentour Pilot

I can imagine. I would love to get in touch with those pilots

Vor 2 Monate

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