Game Theory: The Curse is a LIE! (Edith Finch)

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    I've been asked to talk about What Remains of Edith Finch for years... and years... and YEARS. Well, the wait is over. I played the game over on GTLive and knew I needed to talk about the so-called "family curse". Is it real? Is it a lie? Today we are breaking down everything we know to figure out if the Finch family really is cursed... or is it maybe MURDER!

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Arham Ijaz
Arham Ijaz

Now we wait for matpat to remember that he promised us a franbow theory all those years ago…

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Mareep
Mareep

@🌺〜椿姫〜🌺 Too bad I can read it without translation because it's written in my language

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Kyalie K
Kyalie K

I'd also like to see little misfortune!

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Salmonily
Salmonily

@sc0tt has he not done one?

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Professor Greenbeans
Professor Greenbeans

All of those long, long years ago…

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Zero Tolerance
Zero Tolerance

Calvin theory: his broken leg likely implies he broke it by jumping off swings like he did in the tale, Edie knew he liked doing this, so that’s why she built one in front of a cliff.

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MilentheGr8
MilentheGr8

@Taylor Anderson You forgot to leave the reply section before posting your copy-paste.

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Derpy Dog
Derpy Dog

@Taylor Anderson thanks for cllearing that up...

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Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson

Calvin theory: his broken 💔 leg 🦵 he broke it by jumping off swings like he did in the tale, Edie know he liked doing this , so that's why she built one in front of a Cliff.

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Rumor
Rumor

You never mentioned it, but it would definitely explain the shrines to each family member. Did you notice that even the way the shrines where discovered and talked about, they were presented in a way that made them feel more strange with each one you came across. Like when you start with Molly’s room, it’s presented in a way we’re you feel sympathy towards grandma Eddie, she lost her daughter when she was so young and kept her room as a preserved shrine to her, and makes Edith’s mom look very cold and unsympathetic. Like sealing all the doors to the bedrooms, so she can’t look at the shrines anymore. Then we come to the twins room, the surviving twin had to and I quote “share a room with his dead brother” even explaining how grandma roped off his half of the room and preserving it and your just like…ok. THEN finding that bed and the crib that serve as her moms brothers shrines and seeing the loft that served as her bedroom. Edith even stated that her mom “shared a room with her dead brothers” why would you do that!? The way her room was set up, she practically hid in her loft area and the rest of the HUGE bedroom was left empty around the two shrines because it felt like she was sharing a room with two graves. More room was made for the dead then the living in that house. They built unstable towers into makeshift bedrooms and school rooms instead of using the perfectly usable bedrooms and library. What’s so creepy is that every room preserved, the school room included, had so much love to it. It’s disturbing to think she loved them more when they were dead.

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Xanthe van den Broek
Xanthe van den Broek

This is amazing and horrifying

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Kai
Kai

This is an amazing analysis :) Thank you

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Dark Daemon
Dark Daemon

Yes, Edie is a little obsessed with death, but the other deaths can easily be classified as mental illnesses, hallucination from other sources, and unfortunate accidents, the only mysteries are Barbara and Milton, I think the scream Walter heard was when Barbara got her ear cut off, A lot of the comic's story probably came from his interpretation of events, he was just a kid, and fear does a lot to a young child's imagination, including making him afraid of the rest of the world, which is why he isolated himself, the "packages" Edie brought to the basement were probably just cans of food. Edie still loved the attention obviously, but it was probably also a coping mechanism of losing her family while she gets to live through all that torture for 93 years, survivor's guilt is a thing after all, so of course she needs a coping mechanism.

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XD Smile
XD Smile

wow this game is honestly very mysterious and matpat is quite the theorist and often misses marks but also manages to get fnaf theories right.

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Karin Kl.
Karin Kl.

I have a theory about Milton: as you walk through the house, you always see that Milton has already been there (he made all the paintings). And he obviously knew the stories, because the paintings are always linked with how a person died (before you come to Calvins room there´s a swingset, Barbara: a pumpkin,...). I think he got scared and left. I mean he was just a kid, who discovered all these stories of tragic deaths. I believe he just wanted to escape the "curse" (simular to how Walter was hiding for the monsters).

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Madness Poison
Madness Poison

While she's most likely not responsible for later deaths, she could've been responsible for the first few and became obsessed with the fame.

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Pink Buninja
Pink Buninja

I’d just like to point out that Molly would have had to miss a lot of meals to die of hunger. Just skipping dinner won’t kill you. Also, for the potentially poisonous things she ate, the lethal dose is usually smaller for kids. If anything, everything she ate might have made her really sick, then no one went to help her when she was suffering. Still don’t know if that’d kill you, but y’know.

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Skeleton the boneman
Skeleton the boneman

@Thoma but there was a chain blocking the window

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Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson

Why it's important to keep toxic stuff way from kids or it heck, even in bed without dinner punishment

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Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson

I'd just like to point out that Molly would have had to miss a lot of meals to die of hunger.just skipping dinner won't kill you. Also, for the potentially poisonous things she ate, dose is usually smaller for kids. If anything, everything she might have made her really sick , then no one went to Help her when she was surfing . Still don't know if thatd kill you , but y'know .

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Thoma
Thoma

Maybe she did fell from the window instead of following to the tree since she mentions she can't go up tall trees or something (that's what I remember) and Edie made it seem like it was from poisoning. Maybe Molly fell because what she ate made her sick and wanted to go to her mom from the front door??

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Pink Buninja
Pink Buninja

@Eileen Snow A kid doesn’t really have to be starving to try and eat toothpaste. Honestly, just leave a kid alone with stuff they think they can eat, and they’ll probably try it. That’s why it’s important to keep toxic stuff away from kids or supervise them around it. Heck, even some adults will eat stuff they aren’t supposed to if they’re curious enough. I agree that there’s no way to tell how long she was in there, but many parents have employed the “going to bed without dinner” punishment before, and it’s just dinner, they feed their kids again in the morning. I assume the game wants you to think of that usual punishment.

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Unknown Variable
Unknown Variable

I remember seeing a theory about how historically many “family curses” were actually mental illness being passed down, I think that’s what this is about, many of them died because delusion or how they see the world

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Art Cat
Art Cat

The placebo effect.

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Smith Smith
Smith Smith

Makes sense.

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Gabriel Magnus
Gabriel Magnus

Your right, delusion os what killed Lewis in the first place

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dReliq
dReliq

Well one of them WAS so sad with their life that they imagined their job as a prince on an adventure who eventually gets "crowned"

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Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson

I remember seeing theory about how historically many family Curses we're actually mental illnesses passed down, I think that's what this about, many of them died because delusion or how they see the world 🌎🌍

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Kaylee_Dang_oop-_momo Yaoyorozu
Kaylee_Dang_oop-_momo Yaoyorozu

For my theory about Barbra’s death, I think grandma Edie ate her. Her body was gone, and the “monsters” are her. If her brother is scared of a monster that turned out to be edie, a way to effectively get rid of her daughter was simply eating the body. that would also explain why Walter is so traumatized.

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Matthijs de Rijk
Matthijs de Rijk

@Tha Prog of course she would pretend she was out of the house when it happens. she's the one telling the story. she would give herself an alibi

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Tha Prog
Tha Prog

Plot twist Edie was not there Since the story takes places when Edie and. Her husband got to a night out and monsters were terrorizing houses. It’s specifically said in the.broadcast in the story-

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Matthijs de Rijk
Matthijs de Rijk

@Rae Kaskie it's not that easy to make new looking food cans by hand. He would have had her processed at a food plant

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Kowagatta
Kowagatta

its a story about how harmful believing in a family curse is and how it can wave off negligence so where did this come from. theres no evidence anywhere to support this.

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Iain LaMunyon
Iain LaMunyon

@Needle 10 there are other food cans in the vault

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Ella Epoche
Ella Epoche

Here's a theory about Walter: if you notice, every other Finch's room is related either to their interests or how they died. But while Walter's furniture is based around trains, his room is ocean themed. What if, instead of being hit by a train, he fell off the cliff (where the tracks collapsed) and drowned? And Edie crafted the story to focus on his love for trains instead?

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Leia Brunell
Leia Brunell

I mean, going to bed without dinner for ONE night wouldn't have killed Molly; I've fallen asleep without dinner before and I'm still alive. But IS it only one night, or was this a recurring event? If Molly was routinely locked in her room without eating, she could've been very slowly starving due to prolonged malnourishment… If this was the case, then Great-Grandma Edie was even more neglectful than Matpat theorizes here…

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Carnage
Carnage

@FeatheryBastard did you watch the video? Matpat literally said that she didn’t eat enough of any of those to kill her via poisoning

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Cynreius Acari
Cynreius Acari

Couple of theories, the candy was tainted or Molly was likely a sickly child or had pica which killed her in the end. If Molly had been actually starved there would be enough physical evidence (even back then) for the children to be removed.

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Lena Chung
Lena Chung

i also think the empty bowl of her halloween candy wasn’t the cause of her “punishment”. i think it was what molly had to eat BEFORE the night she ate the toothpaste, berries, and carrot. molly being malnourished for that long probably weakened her enough for the things she ate (toothpaste, berries, and carrot) to be more lethal then they normally are.

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きこ
きこ

@Leia Brunell molly was born 1937, and died 1947 at the age of 10. stannous fluoride toothpaste was brought to limited testing markets in 1955, with Crest debuting in 1956. however, manufacturers have added fluoride to toothpaste since the 1910s and it had been researched before then. and its true that while hollyberries are toxic, realistically she would have had to ingest more (~20) for them to become fatal. though even by eating 2 berries children can show poison symptoms

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Elisha Jones
Elisha Jones

After playing through myself, I think the family suffers from an extremely devastating imagination. The majority of the deaths were related to believing fantasies were reality. Couple thoughts, Molly-hallucinating after poisoning herself with holly and the toothpaste (poisonous substance are weight based and what would kill a child is different than an adult). She doesn't hallucinate until after eating the toothpaste btw. Eating the toothpaste alone triggers the bird part. Edie seems to revel in the stories she can spread though, even if she knows they are fake (Moleman, Dragon). I will say that I thought it was an odd mention that she was painting Lewis' portrait (that is what she uses for the death shrines) BEFORE he was dead. If you look around in the library, you will also notice post it notes that are odd. One says "Odin", another says "the day you were born" like she was working on a concept for a story to tell Edith.

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Joey
Joey

minor nitpick, the toothpaste doesn’t actually trigger the bird scene. i think eating anything in the bathroom does. i ended up here after watching ranboo play the game and he flat out refused to eat the toothpaste

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Madness Poison
Madness Poison

Well it's likely Edie isn't responsible for most of her family's deaths, but it is likely she's responsible for the first few, and became obsessed with the fame.

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Charles Halcomb
Charles Halcomb

The fact that you represent Edie as an old woman in a suspicious hat, reminiscent of a certain British monarch, is incredibly humorous to me

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Skeleton the boneman
Skeleton the boneman

@Me right, thank you for the correction

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Darth Scotchy
Darth Scotchy

@Piggy Gaming only in bedrock

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Me
Me

@Skeleton the boneman I think she's sewing something, actually. and also she's still wearing a hat and stuff in the family tree portrait, they just didn't keep the weird thing she's holding in the video.

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Skeleton the boneman
Skeleton the boneman

@Me not really, in the game she is shown as holding a mask

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TheDanishGuyReviews
TheDanishGuyReviews

@Andrew Francis Donning. Just so you know.

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TheMysterfox8
TheMysterfox8

Personally,I always thought the curse was made up as a coping mechanism for all the familial trauma and death, leading to no action being taken to avoid more familial trauma and death. The supposed curse goes all the way back to the original Edith's dad.

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Tortilla Chips
Tortilla Chips

☝️

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Christopher Walters
Christopher Walters

Walter viewing Edie as the "monster" seems like a pretty far-fetched misinterpretation, but Edie accidentally killing Barbara is much more intriguing.

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Kaitlin Dee
Kaitlin Dee

At 17 minutes, discussing what Molly eats, I think it’s implied that those holly berries are plastic (not real as the video suggests), since they are a decoration in the bathroom.

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Three G’s Gaming
Three G’s Gaming

Matt didn't bring it up, but in Lewis's story he says that there was a "wise calico who advised him". When I first heard that, something rubbed me the wrong way. What if the "wise calico" was Edie with Molly's story or her cat ears, and the "advice" she gave him was either going off his meds or encouraging his fantasies, hence pushing him to his death? I seriously think the "wise calico" he mentioned is her.

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Matthew Mozingo
Matthew Mozingo

I think the “concept” binders in Edie’s room are actually concept sketches for each family member. Since the game tells us that Edie was a skilled artist and painter. She also frequently paints members of the family and is the one who made all of the memorial portrait plaques around the house.

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Púca Miscellaneous
Púca Miscellaneous

The thing that bugged me about that is that Edith said she was like 10 when Edie painted her portrait.

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Killerhub93
Killerhub93

I loved playing this game. What a beautiful an wild qorky game. There is a theory that the brother escaped or left to the swan princess game I think?

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Gerardino Moses
Gerardino Moses

It took my 4 seconds to process that jump scare

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MrSylfa
MrSylfa

Considering she made those elaborate paintings/wood burnings for each dead family member, yes I agree that the concept binders would clearly be for her artistic endeavours.

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aquasiox
aquasiox

could it not be the same thing ? she also told stories, and paintings and stories are both methods of expression

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Illegal Potato
Illegal Potato

At 17:30, I’ve heard that the reason the candy is gone, is because she’s been sent to bed so many times without dinner she’s had to resort to eating the candy, and after so many nights without dinner, she starved.

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Ella Epoche
Ella Epoche

Another interesting detail to notice: in "History of the Finches," there's text written that isn't voiced, where Edie remembers specific items, including the chair her grandmother died in. She also says she tried to protect her children but failed. She also had a sister, who's never mentioned anywhere else.

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ItsDemolisha
ItsDemolisha

The deaths that got to me was Calvin, Milton, Molly, and the baby. Calvin, Molly, and the baby because that was clear neglect. But Milton's disappearance was so obvious why it happened we break into the house so many times from so many entrances. And its so easy a pregnant woman can do it. He could have just been kidnapped.

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BrenGamer
BrenGamer

Regarding the cold open, I’m pretty sure MatPat’s entire mind palace is in the style of FNAF at this point. Regarding the theory, I’m not into it. I think there may not be that a complicated narrative, and it’s just about family history and tragedy. I think the fantastic stories were a way to cope with the tragedy, and turn the family’s deaths into a way to remember who they were. The stories don’t just explain the circumstances of how they died, they tell you something about that family member.

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CleoPhoenix
CleoPhoenix

Molly was a very small child. The toxicity of the combination I feel, could have affected her more than it would an adult body. Also the deaths of Lewis, Sam, and Gregory disproves the grandma serial killer theory. I dunno, lots o' holes in this one. 😕

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Luca Smith
Luca Smith

Yeah, he says they're low doses and it takes much more than that, but he didn't seem to take into account that she was combining them together and she would have a lower fatal dosage as a small child

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Bruno
Bruno

The curse is irresponsibility passed down by the og patriarchs of the family. Except for Barbara who was murdered and Milton who actually went to another dimension. Most of those deaths where entirely preventable.

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MrSirHello
MrSirHello

Milton left with diamond armour and went to the nether

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UmbraLyre
UmbraLyre

I'm surprised you make no connection between the actual cat Eddie named "Molly" and the plethora of caged birds Eddie kept in her room and the family tragic deaths. I am sure there is one in there, somewhere.

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𝔖𝔢𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔷𝔞𝔷𝔞𝔢𝔩
𝔖𝔢𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔷𝔞𝔷𝔞𝔢𝔩

Joseph Anderson YT video from like 5 years ago said it best….Edie was the villain of the story, but not because she caused the deaths, but rather because she forced the family to be so comfortable with death, mortality, and the family “curse” that they fail to take basic precautions to ensure their safety….they were all doomed anyway, so why worry about it.

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Garrett Reish
Garrett Reish

The curse of Edith Finch, is child negligence. While yes, I would argue that mental illness affects some of them to a degree (primarily Lewis and Milton). The leading cause of all their deaths, is neglect. The curse is in some ways responsible, but it is mostly a scapegoat that is used to explain away their neglegiant behavior. I agree Grandma Edie is the "villain", but only because she is so lost in this curse stuff that she feeds to the Finch children. She seems to revel in the publicity it gains the Finch name. The reason Edie is still kicking in old age is because she was the one who unintentionally killed her children, and perpetuated the negligence. We can't know what things were like before they sailed the house across the ocean, but perhaps something about that trip changed Edie. Or having her own children changed her. Who knows. That's my take of the game at least.

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MrSirHello
MrSirHello

Gregorys death helps this theory alot Gregory died from drowning in a bathtub because HE WAS BEING NEGLECTED AND HE IS A BABY

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BiscoitoTV
BiscoitoTV

Even the main protagonist is negleting a child in a way, because shes is clibing an abandoned e rusty house while pregnant

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Constant Disappointment
Constant Disappointment

Abuse is, in a way, a curse. It forms a cycle through generations that is very difficult to dispel. My family's curse is absent fathers that make us look like a tribe of Amazon women, but the Finches don't live long enough to save their children from the consistent neglect that probably started before Edie. Most of the victims are kids that never get a chance to have their own kids in the first place.

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PrzeklętePierogi
PrzeklętePierogi

I saw this game a while ago but remind me please, why would you sail your house across the ocean? Well, it may be just a false drop but what if the house itself was coursed?

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V bucks Roblox
V bucks Roblox

@@Leader 1 tasak https://youtu.be/a1j9owBuwdQ

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Zack Morris Does Things
Zack Morris Does Things

So, having played through the game again on stream myself, I do definitely think Edie embellished parts of her family's stories for profit. Several of the Finches are definitely unreliable narrators or otherwise seem implausible. But also, doing my own research, the developers have confirmed that Milton Finch is the main central character of their previous game The Unfinished Swan, as without spoiling it, he managed to live to a ripe old age, and implies that whatever it was he found in the house made him decide to go off the grid so his family couldn't find him.

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The Gaming Saiyans
The Gaming Saiyans

I’m not gonna lie. I love Game Theory. But this is on par with “Spider-Man is technically doing wrong and J Jonah is right.” Like, yeah. We know. The entire POINT of the game is that Edie is causing the deaths of the family by sharing these fanciful stories and leading them to believe in a nonexistent curse. It is quite literally the inciting incident of the game, leading Edith to return to the house while pregnant JUST to finish one of those stories and die.

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Lesteryay Trippy
Lesteryay Trippy

I feel like Joseph Anderson, another YouTube channel, covered Edith Finch's narrative emotionally, being particular with each Finch, and came to the same conclusion about Grandma Edie, and her obsession with death. Great video.

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Sam
Sam

Two things I noticed after just playing through the game: (1) In the story when Edie’s father dies, Edie has NO remorse and is only concerned about there new house. I thought that was interesting that the story specified that. (2) Has anyone tried to glitch and/or wall hack the library door during the day? Im curious if the book is actually readable if you were to enter upon arriving.

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Soinas Doyi
Soinas Doyi

I've been subconsciously waiting on this episode for so long and to actually see it in my feed made me unreasonably happy! Amazing work, as always

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Ellie-Angel
Ellie-Angel

I will say that Molly's whole section does read and feel a bit like a fever dream, so her being sick in some capacity from what she ate doesn't seem entirely unfounded, even if she didn't die from the fever itself.

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kaoriandyoshi1
kaoriandyoshi1

It's interesting that Edie's father was named Odin. Odin was the god of war. Those who died in war joined him in Valhalla. What isn't as well-known was that Odin was also the god of poets. I feel like this was a little easter egg.

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Aimee Bartol
Aimee Bartol

When you watch the story on GT Live Edie seems like someone caring kind and also someone no one would pay any attention to after part one because you only see that Edie either coughed up too much blood or died of old age.

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Jeremy Brown
Jeremy Brown

When Edie writes about the being lost, the fog rolling in, then finding old house and basically regaining control it reminds me of dementia. Most likely either Lewy body dementia or Pick’s disease (which usually starts around 45) it could even be a mix of things it is a game :). Could be that she was no longer aware of murdering her family and her subconscious used these stories as a form of confession. So she starts off as the worlds worst mom and kills a child or two and copes with writing stories for fame, then gets dementia, drinks her own cool-aid, kills and keeps up the cycle while forgetting. If that's the case she might believe what she what she wrote thinking that it's the only viable answer.

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REDARROW101_A5 Personal
REDARROW101_A5 Personal

Ironic since the game tries to write it's self as wholesome to a degree. Like at the end you literally all the photos of the Devs with there families in the credits.

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Your Shoulder devil
Your Shoulder devil

That makes sense.

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DeonX
DeonX

"drinks her own kool-aid" 💀💀💀

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StayFrosty
StayFrosty

One of the most amazing and magnificent games to ever be made. I loved every second of it.

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Janah Kirkpatrick
Janah Kirkpatrick

personally, i think that Molly’s death was as result of her being sent to bed/ not being allowed to have meals for multiple days or even weeks. i think she had eaten the halloween candy in a last ditch effort to eat something a day or so previously, and when Edie found out she had gotten angry. during the different animals she switches through, it depicts her as being starved, and eating the different things that the animal she is, well is. and i can’t remember the exact line, but at the end after the sea monster climbs under her bed and molly is writing. she says something along the lines of “and i will be delicious” and i think that is alluding to her body literally eating itself from starvation. and all of the story’s she made up are from her starving and trying to trick herself into a happy place

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hal 9000
hal 9000

On the subject of the train: Steam and diesel engines don't run on underground lines because they would suffocate the crew/passengers

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Vannah Durojaiye
Vannah Durojaiye

Too, I think this theory is only scraping the surface of the Finch family. Every story Edith comes across has fictional elements and an accurate tale. Molly legit wrote how she`s going to die in her diary, Since she is Edie`s daughter, It`ll make sense that she fictionalizes things to her better will to cope with herself and starvation. Edie is generally a neglectful mother toward her children, but remember the curse only leaves one child to continue the next generation of Finches. This means, blinded by fantasy and truth, each generation is sent with stories blurring reality and fantasy for their better will. To hide the real reason why all this is happening.

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The Shiny Zorua
The Shiny Zorua

Fun Fact: Milton didn’t die, he also appears in another Giant Sparrow game, The Unfinished Swan in which he is The King, a Reddit AMA with Giant Sparrow confirmed this, there also easters eggs to The Unfinished Swan in his room, such as the Paintings and Sketches of Various Characters, and also that Milton is wearing a crown

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MiltPlayz822
MiltPlayz822

Yes i am very much alive lmao

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Imani
Imani

I immediately noticed that too! That was a great Easter Egg.

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Rivet Squid
Rivet Squid

Milton being the king doesn't mean he didn't die. It means he died like Lewis, so entranced by the world's in his head that he probably just wandered off into the woods one day. Tbh there was probably some mental illness running in the family exacerbated by Edie turning everything into a fantastical tale.

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Dede Korkut
Dede Korkut

@Arai See all bad things cant

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Smith Smith
Smith Smith

Awesome and cool!

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bebot
bebot

Something about Milton, he was a painter. Edith says that edie was excited to have another painter in the family. Maybe edie took Milton under her wing to try and teach him how to paint like she could, so that when she died Milton could continue to make the memorial shrines. Maybe then Milton found out what edie was hiding either by her telling him to much or by Milton just stumbling upon it. I mean, I've never played the unfinished swan so I might be completely wrong, but it's something to think about.

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Weber
Weber

Matpat taking a more circuitous route than the game in explaining how there was never a curse (something the game pretty much spells out for us) but alright.

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lior yunfh
lior yunfh

I've been subconsciously waiting on this episode for so long and to actually see it in my feed made me unreasonably happy! Amazing work, as always

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Shaunalynn Maddox
Shaunalynn Maddox

Another thing to add is one of the first things you see when you start is a Foxglove flower, which symbolizes lies and dishonesty

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prohunter49
prohunter49

Theory: I think Edie made the stories when molly died because molly's death was because of Edie's irresponsibility. She was so sad and guilty. She made the story of a curse to feel better and stuck with it all her life.

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Elizabeth Cheung
Elizabeth Cheung

For some weird reason the first thing that came to my mind was Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

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Amelia
Amelia

She has a picture of her husband about to die in her bedroom though Also while thats a nice thought this has been happening for a while Her son was missing and instead of getting him help and keeping his existence away from the others including family in the house when they think he is still missing isn't exactly something that screams concerned loving parent It just doesn't feel likely that its the story from someone withering in sadness and/or guilt over another dead family member It feels like something twisted and chilling

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Skeleton the boneman
Skeleton the boneman

@Taylor Anderson but they were in the US because of fear of a curse, Odin left Norway because of the curse

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Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson

Theory : I think Eddie made the stories when Molly died because Molly's death 💀☠️ was sad and guilty. She made the story of a curse to feel better and stuck with it all her life.

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Timo Werner
Timo Werner

mic up

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Turt
Turt

I remember playing this game when it came out, and it's super cool to finally see such an in-depth video going into this amazing game.

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YourLocalPie
YourLocalPie

My mom played this game back in 2020 and I played it in 2021, one of my favorite games to this day and I’m glad you made a theory on it! The house always reminded me of the Weasley’s house from Harry Potter haha.

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SweetlySad
SweetlySad

I actually gasped when I saw the title. I absolutely love this game, it's so well made.

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TheAdvertisement
TheAdvertisement

2:36 I love how Matpat refers to an unstable Jenga tower as "late game". xD

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Arstotzkan Plague Doctor
Arstotzkan Plague Doctor

Matpat didn't even mention the baby, Gus or Lewis, and when you bring them into the equation it really does change things up, I would say this is game is more about neglect and not being able to deal with the consequences of it properly.

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IgKnighter
IgKnighter

@Leela Flint yes I have learned the error of my ways

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Leela Flint
Leela Flint

@IgKnighter Kay's incompetance, not Dawn. Wrong mother.

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IgKnighter
IgKnighter

@bababababababa my bad

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Charles Calthrop
Charles Calthrop

@Thot Rot Ikr? Like this added nothing to the conversation.

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Cosmic Crystals
Cosmic Crystals

@Thot Rot Indeed - this is why i prefer jospehs anderson's video, the villain of edith finch, which explains the plot while including everything.

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Chobbis4
Chobbis4

I love how this theory boiled down to Edie loves taxidermy! Oh and also she's the reason that almost all of the Finch's are dead.

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its_milo_lol
its_milo_lol

If I remember correctly though, Edie was the one who put Walter in the bunker after Barbara’s death to supposedly ‘protect him from the trauma’ of the event

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its_milo_lol
its_milo_lol

@Tokuijin didn’t realize that, thanks for correcting me :D

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Tokuijin
Tokuijin

His father, Sven, built it but Walter didn't start living in it permanently until about 1975, when he was about 20

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Boomer Dwight
Boomer Dwight

OMG finally someone answers my particular question of Barbara's tale and how it truly went down.

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Baltimore's Lioness
Baltimore's Lioness

You took this story somewhere I had no clue you could take it. I truly enjoyed it!! Opened up a different prospective.

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Monroe Robbins
Monroe Robbins

And lastly, Milton: the last we see of Milton is him, in his own drawings, making a door, and going through it. I think Milton escaped, I think he was one of the lucky ones. You can fake handwriting, but it’s harder to fake drawings, so I think Milton drew him going through a door. I think Milton escaped, to become an artist. Find a wife, even have a child, the protagonist of The Unfinished Swan. But that’s my crapshoot, I doubt it’s true.

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Monroe Robbins
Monroe Robbins

@Strawberry crepe cookie yeah… huge bummer :(

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Strawberry crepe cookie
Strawberry crepe cookie

*Oh my god.* So. Many. Bots!

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arfsnm dgn
arfsnm dgn

@V bucks Roblox hahaha

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V bucks Roblox
V bucks Roblox

@Monroe Robbins tiki https://youtu.be/a1j9owBuwdQ

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Monroe Robbins
Monroe Robbins

@Gatineau B. I know, that’s why I brought it up (but thank you for clarifying, I did not, so it could be confusing for those who don’t know, so thank you).

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wyn
wyn

i have always adored this game, so glad you did a theory on it 😌❤️

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Napawat K
Napawat K

Edie is an artist and storybook maker. The concept binders could just be short for concept art. Afterall she painted everyone’s portraits 🤷‍♂️

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Dukky
Dukky

Ok so the story is played as Edith Finch while you see her son at the end of the game cause of you look down you see a big stomach therefore the birth sequence at the end is the boy you see at the end of the game being born the game also gives you multiple hints that your character is pregnant.

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Angela D.
Angela D.

I LITERALLY LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH I AM SO HAPPY YOU ARE REVIEWING IT AND GIVING IT A THEORY

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FearLessGamer
FearLessGamer

Honestly, I don’t think she is a serial murderer but her refusal to believe there isn’t a curse causes so many deaths. The many poor decisions she made were never fixed because she blamed it on a curse instead of herself and thus never grew.

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JP_Ravenfire
JP_Ravenfire

Also, a female cat is called a Molly.

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FearLessGamer
FearLessGamer

@Charles Calthrop Sorry for the double negative. Confused myself a little to. “She refused to believe that there isn’t a curse”. Her belief in the curse is what caused so many of these deaths and because she refused the possibility that it could just not be a curse, she just chopped it up to, “We are all going to die to this curse so might as well have some fun with it” which resulted in her never stopping the cycle of neglect

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Charles Calthrop
Charles Calthrop

wtf, are you talkiing about? Edie was the biggest believer of the curse of anyone. Not to mention every death we see except 2 are resulting from neglect or recklessness; a general ambivalence to death akin to fatalism.

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O K
O K

Molly and Calvin seem to be a cause of Parental neglect to the point of causing the kids death. Barbara was probably directly killed by Eddie although accidentally,Walter was either murdered by Eddie or simply died crushed from a poorly constructed tunnel or something like that. In any case she's responsible for the deaths either due to believing in the curse as a coping mechanism and being an awful parent or straight up a serial killer

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Phayth
Phayth

@FearLessGamer mood.

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ILoveKimPossibleAlot
ILoveKimPossibleAlot

I am so excited to get new Edith Finch content.

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WhyamIhere.Bread111
WhyamIhere.Bread111

I have loved this game since it came out I’m so glad you finally did a theory on it :))

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Spyro Shurtagul
Spyro Shurtagul

I played this game a bit ago and remember it being so odd and couldn't wrap my brain around the point. It was interesting for sure, but I took it as some fantastical, odd bit of mayhem. Watching this theory really gets my thoughts going. It's been a bit, but from what I remember, what you say makes a lot of sense! Thanks for looking into this game!

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Wonder Boots
Wonder Boots

its even more fitting for the family to be called finch does a finch kills its young? Some peck at the chicks and accidentally kill them, and then toss them or sit on them. Others will throw the chicks from the nest as if they were already dead. Other parents brood their young but never feed them even after several days it seems like the mother finch isnt the best mother, just like somone else we know... Other parents brood their young but never feed them even after several days, seems similar to the story of starving the child to death

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Hyper Fixation
Hyper Fixation

I have two theories about the monsters who killed Barbara. 1) They could have been her fans from the monster convention she was supposed to attend. Since she had to stay home and couldn't go to them, they came to her. We know how there are some crazed fans out there who take their obsession with their idols dangerously far. 2) The radio in the comic also mentions "a gang of hoodlums terrorizing Orcas Island tonight." They were the ones led by the Hook Man, so maybe when she overpowered him, the rest of the gang finished the job.

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Asher Animates
Asher Animates

grats on trending!

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Verdant Mistral
Verdant Mistral

While watching Matt's playthrough, I thought the twist of Barbera's story was going to be the bandaged man with the hook for a hand was her dad. He is injured at the beginning catching his hand in a saw. I kind of wonder if that is still sort of what actually happened?

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BloodRoseKitten
BloodRoseKitten

@Timothy Joseph Bonilla I kinda agree with the Boyfriend Murderer theory myself. A guy plays a nasty prank on his girlfriend that goes a little too far, she breaks it off, keeps a crutch out of emotional distress and the boyfriend and/or hired hands come back for her.

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Sudden changes sans
Sudden changes sans

The 1 while unlikely. It strengthens matpat theory.

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Baylie
Baylie

I was super excited for this theory (as I loved What Remains of Edith Finch) but overall this was super disappointing for me, it just didn't make a lot of sense and a lot of what is blamed on Edie could be explained in other ways. (For example, recklessness) I definitely liked that Pat tried to do a theory that was not overly theorized and it was something that I hadn't heard before but a lot of the evidence and such felt like it was cherry-picked to fit this villain plot twist.

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Miles McDonald
Miles McDonald

Having only heard of the game and never played it or experienced it, I find it strange that literally this entire episode he was hard-core saying that it was all the grandma.

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T Y
T Y

Matpat I don’t know if you remember, but Edith’s mom was also a bit sketchy when she didn’t want Edith knowing things, and she was the one who named the stray cat Molly

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Alexandra Burke
Alexandra Burke

Watching this, I’m immediately brought back to all the discussions made in the past about whether the game made by the same developers, ‘The Unfinished Swan’ is connected to the lore of ‘What Remains of Edith Finch’ or not (I wont spoil either sides’ arguments). But I’d love to see Matt’s analysis on this and whether he can see it giving hints to the Finch’s story, or simply being another game by Giant Sparrow.

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Rowan
Rowan

Fun fact about Milton's disappearance: there is another game that the developers made that supposedly explained what happened to him, and the game is in the style of Milton's art. I haven't played it for myself yet, so I don't know if that's true, but it seems interesting.

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Rowan
Rowan

@Arai See Oh wow, that sounds so amazing! I really need to play the game for myself.

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Arai See
Arai See

It's far more likely that Milton got lost in the woods and died of drowning. Even though the game was highly stylized, there are several parts of it that mirror the Finch house. The location/stages include a castle that you enter from the tree, a lazy giant whose description sounded like Lewis, the dark wood surrounding the house, the single river that goes to the sea, the tall King statue in the last stage located where the old sunken house should be, and in that last stage the player need to race against raising water to meet the King at the top which sounds suspiciously like drowning. Also while developer claimed the King was Milton, we should also remember that his wife was created from his painting/imagination. Therefore his son whom we played was also an imagined construct. I suspect the entire Unfinished Swan was actually Milton's last glimpse/flashes of his life. He imagined what his life would be with a wife and his son coming to save him.

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Firemaker125
Firemaker125

The Unfinished Swan is the game

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MissMongiMayhem Mx3
MissMongiMayhem Mx3

@Specsboy1999 thank you

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Meghan Cobourn
Meghan Cobourn

I literally wrote my undergrad thesis on this game!! So excited to see you play it

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Magmatard
Magmatard

Honestly not all the blame can be placed on Grandma, all the parents are extremely negligent which just leads to more and more deaths. We get the narration which is from various sources. Grandma's talent isn't story telling, it's painting. She's the one who painted all the portraits thats why she and Swan King were so close

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k4rec4
k4rec4

Finally a Game Theory on this game! Always believed Edie had something to do with the deaths, but not causing it directly. Maybe she was some sort of witch or so, but I must research about Norway's myths/folklore first to be sure.

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Animation Trash
Animation Trash

I don’t think Molly starved or was poisoned, I think she saw a bird and since she wore cat ears she figured she could eat that too. Then she fell to her death.

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Goppie Lord
Goppie Lord

Game Theory: Dead kids! It's basically a fast track to a theory. Game Developers: Write that down! Write that down!

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ZER0GRAVITY!!
ZER0GRAVITY!!

… this game was made like 5 years ago, I don’t think it has any relation to matpat and dead kids.

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Starpengu
Starpengu

@9000 Overall So, Hello Neighbor?

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psycless
psycless

@9000 Overall That's been happening lol

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random person on the internet
random person on the internet

@The Legend of Argumentation your name really fits

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Quakers.
Quakers.

As sad as this game it’s so beautiful the storyline, the plot even the deaths where all unique and portrayed sweetly.

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JillByers
JillByers

What if the crutch is some kind of family remembrance item? Like what if the crutch belonged to Calvin, then Barbra used it to protect herself, then Walter got it.

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Sydney Thusberg
Sydney Thusberg

If I were to recommend a game for theory's, there are two games that are worth investigating: - The Vanishing Of Ethan Carter - Dear Ester

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Sandra Lunø Kristensen
Sandra Lunø Kristensen

I Always thought the concept binders were portrait concepts. You know, for their shrine portraits.

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Unknown Variable
Unknown Variable

The lore is my favorite part of this game. You never really know what truly happened and a lot of the reasoning and explanations are based on your imagination and intake on the game. Nice to see a theory on it

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Sofía Cuenca
Sofía Cuenca

This is why is one of my favorite games

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Kyra Hirowrath
Kyra Hirowrath

eldat; Wait a minute that actually sounds cool, not the whole suffering in the underworld bit but Techno doing someting like being Doomguy and killing all sorts of demons does. i think your bot is a bit useless and just goes to show how much cooler techno can be than you instead lol

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Alexandria Trenier
Alexandria Trenier

I love that too. The blur between truth and tale thickens. It peaks my curiosity.

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V bucks Roblox
V bucks Roblox

@Redstone Creator hahahha

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Redstone Creator
Redstone Creator

@Omega 705 skini https://youtu.be/a1j9owBuwdQ

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FoxInSoxx
FoxInSoxx

Would love to see you guys dive into the lore of the Cube Escape mobile series. For a growing series of pretty rudimentary puzzle games, they’ve built a fantastic backstory for their little psychological thriller project.

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cloverpanda
cloverpanda

I didn't know what this game was until today at 4:00 in the morning (that's a way to start your day) and it was incredible. I love your videos and I really hope one day I will get to meet you in person.

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sotuur aeei
sotuur aeei

hand, directly or indirectly, in their deaths. Regardless, this game is so much fun to theorize and talk about, and this video was so enjoyable to watch. Great job, you guys. :)

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J1010H
J1010H

I'm going to have to disagree with this theory of Edie being a killer as opposed to there being a "curse" in the family; remember that her mother and brother both died, which is what drove Odin to leave Norway, and that presumably many other family members before had died similarly tragic and/or early deaths. Her making stories is a coping mechanism probably passed on to her from Odin, albeit in different ways; Odin writing two published books to try and understand and accept death, while Edie wrote embellished stories for others in the family to remember those who died, likely started after Molly's death, who was also mentioned to have strong sense of creativity (this trait, among others, is also present in the whole family, seriously just about every member did something related either to creative writing, some other creative trade or implied, either openly, subtextually or interpatively, to have a strong imagination). In-fact the fantastical creativity of the family feels like a distinctly Norwegian trait; as a Norwegian myself I can draw parallels between the creative stories of the Finches and fairy tails we have here in Norway, and even various stories present in my own family. We have a tendancy to embellish the known or let our creativity run wild for the unknown. The deaths overall are all accidents by pure misfortune, by negligence, and/or by a form of self-fulfilling prophecy caused by the family's very strong creativity combined with turbulent and forceful emotions and familial relationships, perpetuated with by the belief of a family curse. Also unrelated to the theory and my above spiel (or maybe there is some connective tissue) but it's rather noteworthy that the family of Norwegians, who left to try and escape a family curse, settled on Orcas Island, an island that looks rather uncannily like the Nordics when viewed on a map, and still experienced the curse. Just additional food for theorizing.

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Randomghoulz
Randomghoulz

The only issue I have with this theory is that MatPat doesn't even acknowledge Odin's story, where it is stated that he left Norway to try to protect his daughter, Edie, from the very same curse that Edie would recite to the later generations of the Finch household.

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Paranoid_WeIrDo
Paranoid_WeIrDo

@Monroe !! yeah- you're right- 1 day isn't even close enough to have been starved to death so maybe Edie neglected Molly for some reason- what if 2 weeks ago it was halloween and like what MatPat said ate her candy when she wasn't supposed to so Edie locked Molly in her room since then so when she ate the stufff like the berries,toothpaste, ect- she started feeling weird, possibly passed out and then died?

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Alice Wonderland
Alice Wonderland

@BrawlmaN64 It's okay, I'm glad you admitted you're mistake. If you are interested in the full story, I recommend you watch a playthrough and highly recommend you watch, "The Villian of Edith Finch".

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E_knees
E_knees

@Monroe !! she did not starve. She loosened herself.

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The Supernatural house
The Supernatural house

@Monroe !! yeah, it's more likely that the berry's Molly ate where poisonous, maybe placed there by Edie

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BrawlmaN64
BrawlmaN64

@Thot Rot I haven't actually played the game and am not very familiar with its story, what I said was based on the footage matpat showed and ideas being bounced around by others in the comments. In retrospect that wasn't a very smart thing to do considering matt's bad tendency to leave out important information in lore-based videos, but it was just a thought

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Judson Ewing
Judson Ewing

9:53 I find it kinda funny that sometimes matpat says in a theory that one part of the theory that the community in the game have been theorizing for years. Its its just like yup i solved it! :)

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Zanzibar2000
Zanzibar2000

My grandma exhibits Edie's behavior in a way. Twisting stories to make her the hero, guilt tripping family members to do her bidding, making parents feel like they've done something wrong and Edie is the one to fix it all. Sure she hasn't murdered anyone but that behavior has pulled me and my immediate family away from that part of my family. Like Edith's mother had

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Ratchet4647
Ratchet4647

This reminds me of a Joseph Anderson video from a few years ago where he also pointed the blame a Edie. In fact, YouTube autoplay kindly took me right to that video when this video ended. Glad to see MatPat arrived at similar conclusions from much of the same evidence!

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Talion
Talion

Playing this game felt a lot like Starwars in a weird way. The same way Anakin trying to hard to prevent Padme’s death only caused it, giving the Curse the idea of existence brought it about

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Normie Girl
Normie Girl

I'm a big fan of this interpretation of the story. It's dark and not one that i ever thought about

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Jaylah Luster
Jaylah Luster

I just got my Game Theorist Personnel hoodie in the mail today and I love it so much thanks MatPat 🤍🤍🤍

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desii
desii

In the gameplay, Walter wasn’t actually killed by a train. After we walk through the train tracks, it’s a clear indication that the tracks are broken off. And there isn’t anything but a cliff in the distance so that wouldn’t have explained his death. I personally think Edie was some type of occultist and preserved her life by sacrificing her childrens. On one of the gravestones, there was a book with markings floating above it. Reminds me of an enchanted book.

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Rutana
Rutana

I just played the game and what stroke me as very odd were other things in Edith's room. She had already started a memorial painting for Lewis. She forbids changes to the rooms of the deceised, rather building up new rooms on the house. But especially, she has a folder full of sketches and concepts of memorial stones. Of the graves. Who works on something like that when a person is still alive? Who names a pet after their deceased child? And what happened to those who married into the family? We know her daughter in law wanted a divorce, but we never learned what happened to Dove's husband and Sam's second wife - and they have no graves in the Finch graveyard either.

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Martin Tinajero
Martin Tinajero

It’s too bad this was never brought up in the game I think it would’ve been really interesting if it was.

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mushroom
mushroom

Honestly when I played the game, I was disappointed with the ending. But I am stupid so hearing this theory clears some things up, thanks!

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Fan service
Fan service

I love Edith finch! Thank you for covering this :]

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showcasers
showcasers

The intro of of this video “ is proof mat can be a writer or a poet

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Frosty Plays
Frosty Plays

MatPat you should do a theory on the game “Oakwood”. • missing kids •letters that explain a story • Dinosaurs Every thing you need to make a theory.

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Mzhru
Mzhru

And the quarry

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Jerwas
Jerwas

Another one for the theory, bingo!

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Frey74
Frey74

you just described (insert horror game here)

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helpless devil
helpless devil

dinosaurs .. DINOSAURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y4SSSSSSSSS

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Amare marion Henson
Amare marion Henson

@Max December same

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Azure Shin
Azure Shin

I love theories like this. It's not a genre I play but I love the deep lore dives. Hope there's more :)

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L. Catlett-Tetzlaff
L. Catlett-Tetzlaff

I feel like there's a lot of inconsistencies in Edith Finch that don't match up.... Like Walter's death: if the trains he thought were the monster stopped running, how did he get run over the day he felt he was safe? If the electricity to the house was shut off, how are the lights on when Edith comes back? and so many unanswered questions... who killed Barbara? where did Milton go? what happened in the rest of the story Edie was telling about the night Edith was born?

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GloryToTheFinches
GloryToTheFinches

I loved that game, and I will never let you ruin it with your lies. Yeah, they all might’ve died in horrible ways, but to prove you wrong in one small way, Edie paints that faces of the dead on wood to memorialize them, and if she truly is a monster, the tell me why she would be so nice!!!

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