The Energy Sword may only have 10 swings, but those swings are only spent when they make contact.

Caboose how do you know this

When the Jedi blocks it ten hits done

Finally someone said it👍

@Chez I don't know I his field manual

Yes

Game theory: we can’t make light sabers Hack smith: ha no.

@Clément Bianchini yea idk I forgot that but it’s still cool and they made a halo sword thing

They made a plasma blade not a light saber for the exact reasons specified in the video

@Mr Monkey or a kyber crystal

you can ask him to test it now cuz he made the energy sword too

@Sharkslayer Productions yea and it’s basically a portable flamethrower but instead of fire it’s plasma

Matpat: Energy sword lasts 10 swings Prequel duels: Oh, they are screwed!

@CursedIce well maybe not one move maybe like 4 or 6 moves

In expanded ,we can use force and just crush the opponent away

True but it would be more interesting that way

@parsa nasirzadeh maybe,but then thats more jedi vs spartan and not lightsabers vs energyswords like intended

@CursedIce but if we say that both party’s could use all powers then the Jedi could just use the force to help them not get caught ( not that it matters I love both franchises {sequels not included} )

Actually, the energy sword lasts much longer than you’d actually think. In the expanded lore it takes a lot of hits before it runs out of power, it gives more reason to come out on top.

In expanded lore its said it takes 10 years before it needs to recharge

Nowadays I still don't know which is the power source of the energy sword, the 100% bar shown in the HUD is only to balance the gameplay, it isn't canon

You know, the ten hit thing is a balancing thing in the game, in the expanded universe the energy sword lasts until the weilder puts it away, otherwise the arbiter would be long dead by now, along with countless others

@RIOT_ BABY22 Lightsaber batteries last DECADES, even though it’s different from the the batteries in game in lore energy swords runs out of power. So they both have “infinite” strikes. head to head it all comes down to better weapon design and who’s fighting (which for fun let’s say it’s arbiter against mace Windu without force powers.)

Darksaber vs Energy sword will be amazing

so we can use force thing now

@Mahad Ahmed don't forget in halo 2 it doesn't run out of energy.

Same with almost all covenant weapons

"10 hits may be enough for our elite to beat a saber wielding Rey" well Rey does suck at using the lightsaber so yeah it would be easy

@Mighty Ocelot and vice versa

(Shadiversity laughing in the distance while mocking how bad Rey's sword stances are.)

@GG R lol rip man

Everybody gangsta until arbitor shows up with his unlimited energy sword

we all gangster until the elites glass tatooine

Artas vaduum!? (Halfjaw (shipmaster) )

Unlimited *ENERGY*

It's not just the arbiter the plans sword doesn't really die with the exception of game balancing, but by that logic every Jedi would be able to rip a giant ship it of the sky so lightsabers are kinda pointless.

Energy swords can actually last up to three hours of continuous combat in the lore.

lore

Alot of the lightsaber fighting techniques teach lightsaber users to counter other lightsaber users and I feel the moment someone lunges at a Jedi with the energy sword a Jedi would just chop your arms off

Yes,i thought the same,jedi trained for these stuff so long,doesnt matter of the energy blade design,the jedi could still do the dooku or anakin on them

@The Mexican batman took me a second to understand. Hilarious.

Nah remember when the Senate lunged at the jedi, it is effective

Do they get their power armour? Cause I imagine that'd buy them a second to cleave the Jedi

Fax

Something to take into account about the energy sword is that, despite its "ten hit limit" seen in-game, this is purely a game balancing mechanic and not reflective of how the energy sword is in the Halo mythos at large. Remember that the energy sword only loses ten percent of its charge on the killing blow. You can strike an enemy repeatedly with no loss of charge, and it's only the final strike which actually kills the opponent when the sword's battery depletes. And even then, there are exceptions. The energy sword expels not ten percent but rather two to three percent of its charge every time it lands a killing blow against a Flood, because the Flood are heavily decomposed and putrefied, so their bodies are much easier to cut through and therefore require less battery from the sword.

4:54 "I see your Schwartz is as big as mine." -Spaceballs

Now lets see how you handle it

Yogurt, I hate yogurt even with strawberries

Wow the guy from film theory and the guy from game theory did a colab! Epic!

One thing that I just thought of that may just be b.s but is still interesting is that considering that a lightsaber is made of plasma its energy levels are to too high to have any significant weight(which you can see in the movement of the movies) and the energy sword is held together by a magnetic field, meaning it has a high sense of "gravity" (for lack of a better term) and would be exceedingly difficult to speedily use, so while weighted weapons are effective the almost weightless agility is a game changer. (I could go into better detail but I have covid rn so I don't care)

No matter which sword wins, all of us lose. *Let's face it; we'd all cut our own arms off within a minute or so.* ~Honest Trailers.

@Kahavave then again, the stick would have weight In the blade/shaft/thing. a lightsaber or energy sword would not. therefore, the stick is easier to fight with. with a lightsaber, you would cut your own arm off if you weren't extremely coordinated

I don't have such weaknesses

I train everyday

Quick question. Why are you guys using + next to the names? If you click reply even after the comments are deleted the link to the channel will still be there. If you really want to write the name down that much, we use @ here.

4 years later and the first real light saber was created the one good thing about 2020

2022

11:50 As seen in Halo 2 when you play as The Arbiter, the energy sword takes way less energy to use. So really you could swing 34 times as arbiter. This could mean that there is a proper trick/form for energy swords that takes less energy when you swing that a human wouldn't know. So I think there isn't really a defined limit because it depends on your skill.

11:00 are we going to ignore that Mat said “ Calvary sword “ instead of cavalry sword?

Anyone just... Plow through the first halo 5 Campaign level with only a broken energy sword which spawns behind you like a brass knuckle?

*WAIT WHAT?*

I know most ppl won’t see this but a death battle of master chief vs Luke skywalker would be sick

Revan in his prime vs Master Chief in his prime. Most entertaining fight ever.

Master chief vs Anakin Skywalker will be sick

@Nightchade the luck is part of the Force. Plot twist buddy

@HunterH 117 true. With the force he would lose but without it he would win. Granted luke probably woudnt use the force choke tho he would probably just push him back. But all chief has to do is get a hit on luke with basically anything and he has got him. If they had a duel all chief would need to do is hit him like once with the energy sword and he had the advantage there because the energy sword was proved to be a better weapon, he could disarm luke fast

as much as I love Halo, the Chief stands no chance against a guy that masters the freaking Force. The closest we saw was against the Didact, and he couldn't land a single hit before getting force-choked, suspended in the air a few kilometers above the Earth's surface. And the Didact didn't have a lightsaber.

I always thought about how a light saber would probably only have weight in the handle, and this has solidified that for me, giving me the thought that it would also feel pretty realistic weight wise in VR.

The one glaring omission that makes the results here incorrect is that all “trapping” style swords use the blade to funnel the opponent’s sword down to the trap position. The swords go from being wide open down to a choke point that is used to disarm the opponent. The Halo sword just has a narrow opening at top which turns it into blind luck that the opponent’s blade will slip between this opening

That doesn't make the results incorrect, It is surprisingly easy to anticipate and catch a narrow rod-like object in between openings that are similar to energy sword's. Also since elites are specifically trained to use the trapping technique along side others means the users are... well... used to it.

MatPat: "I'm still gonna get a lot of hate on this video, aren't I?" Me: *defence against hate mode, initiated."

Matpat: "Photons have no mass" Austin: "is THE SCIENCE a joke to you?"

Lightsaber gets stuck in the middle of the energy sword. Energy sword user: I've got you now! Lightsaber user turns off the Lightsaber, moves the handles and turns it back on. Energy sword user: *BRUH*

The lightsaber user could also just go for the shoulder, instead of going for the hand and getting stuck. Or, you know, any part of the body without the energy sword…

Funnily enough, that is what I was thinking. Anyone know how long it takes to turn a lightsaber off and on again? That could be a viable strategy…

@Just some chair without a mustache well they won’t bleed out because the wound will be burnt, and the energy sword when hit an object, it gets a surge of energy

I mean he can just get to his behind father he turns off his lightsaber

lol

Lightsabers being able to be moved around like a normal sword would be an overwhelming advantage and an undoubted win for the jedi

@SHC Demolisher Not with any strength or agility

Except the energy sword can technically be done the same through movement.

Not just that the energy sword was used with the elites cloaking ability as an assassination weapon rather than a direct combat weapon, and it doesn’t drain energy to clash swords or hit anything else it’s only when you hit an enemy that it drains energy, awesome video thanks ☺️

4 years later and its still good to watch

I mean yeah I guess if you wanna ignore like 70% of the information provided by the lore for both weapons and like, physics... Also being incorrect about unrelated items.

I think the Halo sword should get extra points for looking AWESOME

But what happens when you bring a gravity hammer into the ring

Welp everyone goes flying

we all die.....the end

Hahahaha

@Garth then other Spartans are protected by their armor

Actually the energy sword can withstand unlimited swings. But, it can only withstand 10 hits which is more then enough considering that the energy sword can one hit most characters.

Now imagine the Energy Sword combined into a single weapon.

@Fallen_angel [memes for life] it's fine lol But yeah that would be nice

You get something that can switch between a heavy hitting claymore and a quick and flashy stick, I would imagine that the lightsaber part of this amalgamation would have two, each on both sides Sorry it took a whole year for someone to respond oof

The energy sword also only loses energy when you hit some one and it instant kills anything

It's kinda crazy that something similar to the proto saber is now real

Mat pat 3 yrs ago: 2:07 “and nobody wants to talk about midichlorians” 2019 matpat: *does an entire video about the science of midichlorians

*Ironic.*

Keep talking

@Im Sooth Weestern don't try it.

nebel rebel YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER

@Im Sooth Weestern well guess i have the high ground in this situation.

The energy sword is also more powerful, in the games it can even cut through an energy sheild in one small slash, which means it can deactivate the light saber quickly

Another reason for energy sword to come out on top: Energy Swords can be uses by anyone, lightsabers can't. I know we weren't supposed to talk abut that, but it's important. Jedi use kyber crystals also known as “the living crystals” to make their sabers, but the thing is, every Jedi must meditate with their crystals, because otherwise it will act against their wielder. Sabers will start becoming heaver and heaver. It's not even about midi-chlorians it's just that crystals are alive and need to have a strong bond with someone to work with them. (That's why Darksaber is constantly describe as heavy, it doesn't want to be wielded by someone who can't pick a side)

depends what's used as the power source of the lightsaber certain sources are way stronger than others

I'm pretty sure in lore the energy sword has way more than ten swings.

I love how he misses the lore that says that a lightsaber needs 10 years before they need to recharge.

@1833 the lore is literally cannon. Anything confirmed by Bungie or 343i is cannon. This includes basically the entire expanded lore on the timeline shared with the original games save for a few comics. In fact, most of Halo’s expanded lore across many different forms of media is created with consultation from the game developers and writers.

but do you think they would be fighting 10 consecutive years

@Cody Miller and how exactly? C'mon show us your explanation huh?

@Cody Miller please elaborate.

Yea, the lightsaber can function independently, because is powered by a semi sentient crystal full of energy and directly connected to the force, the power that literally controls the whole universe and also other dimensions(like the hyperspace) or planes of existance(like mortis).

Energy sword would actually come in handy in an actual sword fight

Well, the battery life of the energy sword depends on who you're fighting. If you're slashing the flood, the beamsword can last up to 30 swings

Even 5 years ago the editing still slaps

While I appreciate the thought process behind a lot of this, but I feel like you left out one very important thing. While yes, it might be possible for an energy sword to catch a lightsaber like a parryinf dagger, the lightsaber still has the reach advantage, with some lightsabers even being able to adjust their length with a dial. At the end of the day, there's a reason why things like parrying daggers and swordbreakers were offhand weapons wielded in place of a shield; length is everything in a sword fight. Nothing is stronger than more reach, to the point where a poorly trained spearman can be able to hold off two much better trained swordsmen, simply because of the reach advantage. The lightsabers shape also allows for a greater freedom of motion, emphasizing wrist movements. The energy sword is held more like a katar, which also happens to be its' closest real life comparison. To be honest it only allows you to attack in fairly predictable, straight forwards motions, that emphasize power, but sacrifice a lot of finesse. And when your sword can already cut through everything... well, power doesn't mean nearly as much as speed, finesse and freedom of movement does. Much like with the parrying dagger, the katar was never a widely used battlefield weapon, but rather more of a sidearm, or civillian weapon, with a lot of them being highly decorated and designed to be carried by nobility. It was fairly effective in confined spaces, but outside of them, didn't see much practical use due to the lack of reach of manouverability.

Actually in the novels the energy sword lasts for far longer perhaps even a day they nerfed the sword in the games for it would be far too op to essentially last forever

In lore, energy swords also have a longer blade. Lightsabers have 3ft long 'blades' and energy swords have 4ft 'blades'

lightsaber 'blade' lengths can change they cn grow longer or shorter, 3 feet is just the traditional length, they can be longer

I think it really depends on who's using the weapons, not the weapons themselves.

As a matter of fact, swinging in (Saber) fencing isn't allowed because they wear MASKS not HELMETS meaning the back is exposed.

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The energy sword actually in lore but they gave it 10 swings in game for balancing so technically the energy sword is much stronger

100% I learn more science/math stuff from Matt Pat than in my actual classes...

I would reverse engineer an energy blade to work with a self charging power crystal.

The halo energy sword isn’t for combat it’s just used as a symbol to show authority.

Oh no, " The energy sword seems like it's almost designed to counter lightsabers" We have another theory on our hands

As much as I love the design of the energy sword I don't think the sword breaking design works against a circular blade because there's nothing for the sword breaker to catch onto

@Cabbage the halo universe could be where the yuzahn vong came from 🤯

Why isn't this a thing?

Oh baby’s I can see the thumbnail now. halo confirmed a part of the Star Wars universe!

As much as I understand where you're coming from, I think maneuverability is a decisive factor in combat. To block an attack with an energy sabre you have to expose your upper arm in most positions whereas a lightsaber requires way less exposure.

Matpat: *figuring out how a lightsaber works* Hacksmith: Good guess but actually no

He completely forgot about a lot of things about each weapon He gave design to the energy sword while forgetting other hilts and even forgetting you can turn a light sabour off to reset your placement

I don’t think Mat realizes that a lightsaber gets it’s colour by a magic crystal, and not any sort of element.

No according to obi wan’s physics it is the high ground

It's so all about the high ground

High Ground well then the 8-9 ft tall Sangheili Warror apparently wins because their size gives them the high ground .Just saying.

Ok boomer

Aren’t you dead,or u doing the force ghost thing cause in the Area 51 files your force ghost escaped?

Assassin Sword no it’s a Star Wars Reference

If we’re talking function and design, wouldn’t lightsabers having an adjustable blade length tend to give it an edge in a “real” fight where instead of an exchange of blows, the fighters are just trying to hit their opponent?

GAME THORY: “We cant physically make lightsabers” Make it real:*walks into frame*

Some issues being design: if you really want to compare two items also consider the way they’re used. It’s comparing the armor on a horse to the armor on a human. Lightsabers are designed for and by force sensitives NOT for regulars. A more legitimate comparison ( in spite of the change of material) is a vibro-sword. Also known to be very destructive to flesh, but also much more commonly used by non force sensitives. If you really wanna get nit picky on the lightsaber though, some can extend and shorten blades, and sometimes are rapidly deactivated and reactivated to bypass an enemy weapon. I do think that in actual war the lightsaber has a huge advantage. But for pure dueling purposes, it just depends on a lot of other factors.

first i did fencing for a while, so i understand how cool it is. also i feel like maybe the elites have some sort of like, charger gloves, as the only characters we play are master chief (Non-Elite) and the Arbiter (Lower-Tech Armor) Maybe this explains how the Elites have pretty much infinite swings.

Just remember guys, the energy sword is also a key.

@Cipriano Loreto that wouldn't work. You would need to destroy the lock at the side

@Noisy Ninja didnt caboose say that?

#redvsbluereferences

Dammit tucker

You stick it in people to unlock their deaths

But the energy sword still has two solid blades and the light saber can cut through a bunch of solids

Elite: locks lightsaber in energy sword Sith Lord: *“let me introduce you to a little thing called the dark side of the force”*

Elite: ENOUGH OF YOUR MINDLESS BABBLING!

@Ember Someone who gets it. And also the fact that the energy sword is much easier to use. yes all the weight is also in the hilt for the energy sword, but you hold it in your fist. so if you aren't trained in using weapons you can just use the same movements to punch someone and you will still be able to kill them

@cheese And also the fact that the Lightsaber's weight is on the hilt and shaped like a stick which means a Non-Force user will have a lot of trouble holding one because of the weight distribution and due to the fact they're not connected to the force. And also the reason Force users never cut themselves with their own lightsabers is because the Force stops them from doing so.

@Just Some Random Minecraft Floating Sand like the person before me said, we're talking about the weapons, not the users. The users are normal people with the same skill. You can use your dark side argument when normal people can use the force aka never

@cheese oh really? I call the dark side

But the energy sword lacks mobility, could u swing a thing like that with death a few millimeters away from your fingers? Also this isn't meant to be hate, just a thought

In the halo games, the weapons' power are weakend so that the game is more fun, for instance, the olasma rifle would be able to kill a marine in 1 hit in universe. And we see in fights in books and cutscenes that the energy sword can survive a frew more than 10 hits. It is also 10 successful hits that hit their opponent, so by then, they should be dead.

The colors of the lightsabers come from the kyber crystal. Edit: There's also a few lightsaber-RESISTANT materials in Star Wars.

@Joseph R3grET cortosis (or however it’s spelled, I know how it’s said, it’s said in the first Kotor level before you enter the bridge of the ship you start on.)

well there's that buzzy baton that that stormtrooper used in episode 7

StarCrest Actually no. In the lore, green lightsabers are for users that prefer to use the force rather than all out battles. And blue ones are for the more warrior type of users.

Like a SiloBeast Skin

They can’t cut through force fields

The Energy Sword's battery is a gameplay aspect. There isn't a single instance of it running out in lore.

Don't forget the elite has a shield on it's armor so the elite can actually take more hits

I’d actually love to see this as a film Star Wars versus halo light saber vr energy sword

The energy blade might win if the saber uses the hand cutter technique, but what of the saber uses another technique?

Mat: "Instead fights, if they did happen, had one or two clashes of steel at most". Soresu: "Am I a joke to you?"

@Ember That's all well and good (and I do mean that seriously; I enjoy sharing information), but what bearing does that have on the scenario this thread is centered around? We aren't talking lightsaber vs lightsaber fighting, nor are we talking force users wielding the weapons in question. As you've stated, it requires Precognition to use the form properly; that would limit utility if not automatically disqualify it from use in this scenario, as the criteria is real world physics and no force abilities or respawning

@swanson2830 I was only proving a point that it can be used in Lightsaber duels.

@Ember any dueling form of Soresu was a modification of the original form. It was notably lacking in offensive ability compared to other forms and invented to counter blaster wielding opponents. Additionally, if the form can't be used without Precognition you've strengthened my point here, as force abilities don't exist in the real world.

@swanson2830 Soresu was also used in Lightsaber duels, the most notable Soresu user being Obi-wan Kenobi who used it to defeat General Grievous and Anakin Skywalker. Note: The fighting style Soresu is only possible through the Force ability Precognition.

"In the real world, without force powers or respwaning". Soresu was created to counter blaster fire, and is impractical if not useless in a duel in the real world. If a professional, modern swordfighter using real-world single combat tactics doesn't get to 10 clashes before contact is made, it's quite reasonable that if these weapons were in a real-world duel scenario they wouldn't be able to use that form effectively, if at all.

Fun fact: The lightsaber has way more destructive power than its given credit for. The Death Star is pretty much just a lightsaber that ignites itself into a planet.

I think the lightsaber works of a crystal so in my theory it's just a non- fiction crystal that makes a unidentified beam of light

In halo 2 the sword uses 7-10% of its energy per hit, except for on flood units, which is consistently 2%

But we know what causes the different colors in lightsabers. It is a kind of special crystal in the hilt.

Ok

It’s called a Kyber crystal and the sith corrupt their kyber crystals making them red

a kyber crystal to be exact

Matthew Smith SCIENCE

Mr. Illuminati no the sith have to corrupt the kyber crystal to bend to their will because the kyber crystals are alive

Also, the halo one allows the user to close the gap very quickly with the boost of speed

Should this be in film theory because of Star Wars or should it stay in game theory because of halo?

Imagine the energy sword with the battery of a lightsaber

Game Thoery: Energy Sword is more superior than the lightsaber in combat. Hmmm, Death Star powered by kyber crystal, and the kyber crystal is the energy source for the lightsaber, so technically Death Star is a massive lightsaber.

The problem is lightsabers are directly tied to the force, so really without the force a lightsaber can't work

if the lightsaber blade was trapped between the two blades of the energy sword they could simply retract the blade for a second

Same thing can be done by the energy sword, which is why its not as important of a detail.

I have to say that the shape of the hilt would probably be the most important thing. If the wielder of the lightsaber hit the flat part of the energy sword it would all be over

A lightsaber can be wielded much like a traditional sword. While the energy sword would have to be handled in a certain way, akin to using something like a Pata or an oversized Katar.

"Don't pull a deathbatle on me" I laughed to hard to that

You can if you and the opponent swing and hit at roughly the same time, its called sword blocking. You can even do it with a melee in halo reach

+cave gamefan Yes it would. just you can't clash swords in the Halo game

+The Game Theorísts TheorÍst? almost.

+The Game Theorísts but matt the energy sword doesnt lose energy if you clash swords olny if you make comtact with an organism

Wait, technically, couldn’t a lightsaber go trough the center and cut the persons hand in two?

Knowing that hacksmith made a lightsaber, makes this, I dunno how to explain

I feel like the theorists have been turned into an all out civil war on lightsaber or energy sword...

You’re forgetting something, the wrist protection around the energy sword may work if it was blunt, however since the beam can cut through anything all the lightsaber would have to do is put a little weight on the end and physics would tell you that the wrist would be amputated.

Ok ok in halo lore an energy sword lasts more than 10 hits it's just a gameplay thing to have 10 hits and in halo 2 it had unlimited energy

@Adam Z true

Thatonepug, you can turn the energy sword on/off. Look when someone pulls out an energy sword in the halo games.

Plus in game the swords don't lose energy when they hit each other

sub2pewds it had unlimited energy in pvp

This is true the energy sword in halo lore can last up to 3 day before you can recharge it

um, the lightsabers could go through solid extra terrestrial blast door metal, but the energy swords can't pierce any metal objects in the game, we have to think here, what if the lightsabers are higher temperature plasma than the "cool plasma" energy swords.

Canonically the energy sword has infinite swings

But you forgot the dark saber that is basically a laser sword

whenever i think of halo these days i can't get Red vs Blue out of my mind. it's like i see Red vs Blue as canon and Halo is the spin-off which is completely opposite to the truth.

Also elites must have a specific technique of attacking with energy swords. They have way more than ten swings.

if we look at the width of light sabers in the rebels series, the "blade" of the light saber is so thin, it could probably pass between even the smallest gap in the halo energy sword, and cut the hilt in half.

The battery in the covenant weapons can last multiple DAYS in the books and movies. The games plasma weapons would be completely overpowered if they lasted that long in the game.

"10 swings may be more than enough for our elite to finish off a saber-wielding Rey." Are you kidding me? A blind bee could finish of a saber-wielding Rey without breaking a sweat.

Ironically, the Energy Sword is better for Duels, but the lightsaber is better for armies.

I think it’s the opposite

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The energy sword is good against itself

The lightsaber was better for both and especially dueling as seen in almost every movie.

or the aliens would eat the jedi I've played too much halo