FRUSTRATED CITATION PILOT at Bend Municipal | "This is unsafe!"

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Any opinions on this?

Vor 20 Tage
Donald Thomason
Donald Thomason

Seemed fine until "Captain Happy " in the Citation came into the picture, he probably likes to here himself talk.

Vor 7 Stunden
Matt Rogers
Matt Rogers

@B W He was rude. And you can't direct other pilots, as you know as a PIC yourself. You can ask, and if you feel it is unsafe as PIC, then it is upon you to fly your aircraft somewhere else. In fact, by declaring that this pilot felt the situation was unsafe, he would be considered even more at fault if he was in an incident because he had plenty of options to fly somewhere else, or hold and wait for the pattern to clear. He did communicate, but his radio work was poor as well - many transmissions were way too long for a crowded pattern. He even reported his position incorrectly on the first call - he called 7 west when he was 7 east. He is not ATC. Report your position and get off the freq.

Vor 10 Stunden
Dan Bowen
Dan Bowen

This guy has a blame-everything-else-but-me problem. It's his failure to have learned how to fly non-towered fields. This situation was just fine other than his behaviors and demands to other pilots.

Vor 17 Stunden
John Rickard
John Rickard

DOUCHE BAG CITATION

Vor 2 Tage
Brian Keith
Brian Keith

Citation kid just nervous. I'll bet premier1driver would not have a problem dealing with that traffic.

Vor 2 Tage
Marc Rindermann
Marc Rindermann

if the FAA cared about safety they wouldn't allow landing clearances before the runway is actually clear. I just watched a video on this channel where an ATC had a Heavy line up and wait, then he issued a landing clearance on the same runway and only then he issued a take off clearance. Now that is unsafe, but that's a different story. I thought this was very civilised. Everyone was extremely considerate of everybody else. Nobody did anything stupid, so I don't know what this guy's problem was.

Vor 2 Stunden
Donald Thomason
Donald Thomason

Seemed fine until "Captain Happy " in the Citation came into the picture, he probably likes to here himself talk.

Vor 7 Stunden
Buck Campbell
Buck Campbell

If you don’t think it’s safe....don’t go there.

Vor 12 Stunden
Anthony Wolf
Anthony Wolf

FAA: Sir we have promoted you to ATC, and passenger.

Vor 15 Stunden
therealxunil2
therealxunil2

I think the Citation pilot was simply trying to coordinate with slower traffic to make sure there were no incidents.

Vor 15 Stunden
Jon Luther
Jon Luther

Did he click his teeth afterward? Ref. Val Kilmer in Top Gun

Vor 15 Stunden
Dan Bowen
Dan Bowen

What an ass. Clearly has never learned how to fly a non-towered field.

Vor 17 Stunden
Slick Willie
Slick Willie

The guy should go work at CNN, as well he might, with the rest of the prima donnas.

Vor 23 Stunden
Jason Reid
Jason Reid

Sounds like everyone in the pattern was communicating well and clearly. Maybe the Citation pilot is a low hour pilot in a jet (which does move quite a bit faster) and is unused to untowered fields.

Vor Tag
427SuperSnake1
427SuperSnake1

This is unsafe. Well if it’s so unsafe better off flying in an out of another airport and avoiding bend all together..

Vor Tag
BigTArmada
BigTArmada

Can I speak to your air manager please?

Vor Tag
Chris Surgent
Chris Surgent

I'm imagining the Citation pilot encountering a (Gulf Stream) G650 pilot - but I am not a pilot or ATC so if people could reply with the appropriate dialogue to complete my fantasy I'd appreciate it!

Vor Tag
Deducing Reality
Deducing Reality

My opinion is that he did the right thing to make it feel safer for him and everyone else in the pattern at that moment. He minimized mistakes by taking charge of the situation, since no one else was really doing so. If let unchecked it looks like this like many airports like it, end up getting very lucky for a long time until someday a mistake happens, and it gets blamed on momentary circumstances, when in truth the situation was only working due to luck. You can pass at full speed through the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter all day, even hundreds upon hundreds of passages won't hit anything. That still doesn't make it wise to just willy nilly fly through that asteroid belt without checking your path ahead or slowing down to properly navigate the environment in front of you. So in my amateur opinion, he did the right thing, however uncomfortable it might make it feel to have someone bark orders about and taking charge/responsibility.

Vor Tag
Gary Robertson
Gary Robertson

Well Mr. citation, you can always fly a few miles to the north and enjoy a controlled runway in Redmond, you jack ass!

Vor Tag
CaptainXanax
CaptainXanax

What he SHOULD have done was flown about 10 miles south and just called in a straight approach skipping over everyone.. . While giving everyone the finger on short final.

Vor Tag
CaptainXanax
CaptainXanax

I couldn't help myself, I had to send the owner of the plane a snarky email. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I linked back here, I hope he comes and answers.

Vor Tag
Lee Runkle
Lee Runkle

Did anyone tell jet guy to pound sand?

Vor Tag
Arkadia Moon
Arkadia Moon

Wow, I've heard of bad actors chewing the scenery, but this guy is chewing the frequency right out of the gate. "Fly Air Karen! We ARE the managers."

Vor Tag
Sairode
Sairode

Dunno sounded like he wanted priority because he is in a jet plane 🙄 🤷 but then again, he should have anticipated all of this happening if this is his home airport. Maybe he needed to use the can?

Vor Tag
wayne elliott
wayne elliott

I do not think the Citation pilot deserves a bad rap really, not in the context of matters. He had a right to land at the airport, he has a quick aircraft and therefore has to plan in advance to stay ahead of his aircraft, the pattern was busy with mixed types all much slower than the Citation, some pilots with minimal experience (student pilots) his tcas was clearly notifying constant alerts and at the time there was no ATC control. He maintained good communication of intentions working with other pilots in the pattern, and yes he made some logical requests but did not lord it over anyone. Hard to imagine that if a controller had been on duty that the logical separation extended downwind and long finals would have played any differently, for these reasons I think he acted professionally and reasonably. I also think the situation with a pattern that full with so many types and varying pilot experience which was not being controlled by ATC is a matter worthy of reporting to the FAA as it seems to me the airfield management are penny pinching and ATC should have been operational, just in this segment there was at least a 1000 bucks of revenue being generated .

Vor Tag
KGeo R
KGeo R

OMG. This guy...

Vor Tag
Matt B.
Matt B.

Good thing this guy was in a slow-tation and not a real jet. Everyone in the pattern was way more courteous and professional than I would’ve been with this idiot.

Vor Tag
Danny Edelman
Danny Edelman

Bend is extremely busy the citation pilot got his boxers in a twist

Vor Tag
Niko S
Niko S

The hell is captain happy doing? You’re not a controller. Deflate your ego, shut up, and fly your fucking plane. I’ve experienced similar encounters to this one (especially flying in the greater NYC area) but this would pick at my nerves way too quickly to not hold back and say something.

Vor Tag
cesar quintana
cesar quintana

Bent traffic this is 737max. Can that little citation wait for his turn or deviate. Lol. Being a busy airfield, does not make it illegal Mr. Karen.

Vor 2 Tage
Brian Wilkins
Brian Wilkins

The citation driver obviously not a professional pilot. Most likely and owner/pilot. The only thing I heard unsafe here was him taking up the frequency so others couldnt get a word in. I guess he also doesn’t understand the slower AC have right of way.

Vor 2 Tage
bp4924
bp4924

This airport is unsafe, but I'll land here anyway

Vor 2 Tage
Jimmy Nieto
Jimmy Nieto

Best response from other pilot in pattern when Citation pilot stated he would report "unsafe" condition to FAA....."Sweet."

Vor 2 Tage
Rosslyn 76
Rosslyn 76

Jesus christ who's this guy's passenger lord Farquad or something chill

Vor 2 Tage
nocalsteve
nocalsteve

The thing is I’m the A-Hole that would tell the guy to just make his pattern calls and not try to control everyone else.

Vor 2 Tage
chuckschilling
chuckschilling

This is absolutely insane. Bad enough that this joker has appointed himself ATC in the air is that he is giving instructions to other pilots, and, worse, they are OBEYING him! This is the craziest thing I think I've ever heard of.

Vor 2 Tage
G D O
G D O

........and here's precisely why we need to stop handing out participation trophy's at little league.

Vor 2 Tage
stevejh69
stevejh69

This jet pilot, probably should NOT be a pilot. Just because you are a jet does not mean that traffic patterns have to be altered for you. There is a circuit, obey it. What a complete TWAT!

Vor 2 Tage
Mario Stelzner
Mario Stelzner

HOW COME CITATION GUY IS THE ONLY ONE HAVING PROBLEMS FLYING IN THE PATTERN. AHAHAHA AHAHAHA LOL

Vor 2 Tage
Dave S
Dave S

"Bend traffic there are too many people in this pattern, it is unsafe" As he joins the pattern. What an ass!

Vor 2 Tage
NW6GMP
NW6GMP

This is so funny, I had to listen to it twice.

Vor 2 Tage
nordog55
nordog55

The EGO has landed.

Vor 2 Tage
JD
JD

Bless his heart

Vor 2 Tage
Jay Philip Williams
Jay Philip Williams

Me, if I was in that pattern and feeling irritable (which is most of the time): "Who are you, fucking ATC?"

Vor 3 Tage
Jay Philip Williams
Jay Philip Williams

"Uh, Citation, I agree. There's too much traffic here. Go away."

Vor 3 Tage
Jeremiah Harrington
Jeremiah Harrington

Shouldn't be a PIC at all if he can't handle that volume of traffic. That was not bad at all. Busy, but not unsafe.

Vor 3 Tage
Greg Loch
Greg Loch

Sounds like a controller with a pilot license to me...trying to control the traffic at an non towered airport.

Vor 3 Tage
Jeff Blankenship
Jeff Blankenship

Take your jet somewhere else then. Everyone else seemed fine in the pattern, YOU were the one disrupting the flow of traffic.

Vor 3 Tage
rocafella142
rocafella142

That guy is such a spaz

Vor 3 Tage
Ben_Doom
Ben_Doom

Funny when a pilot tries to become ATC... :D

Vor 3 Tage
Captain_ Jojo
Captain_ Jojo

that citation is the main reason why i h8 private jet pilots

Vor 3 Tage
Kate
Kate

the kind of guy i would absolutely fight on the ground

Vor 3 Tage
1diggers1
1diggers1

Not a pilot. How is that supposed to work? Why wasn't there any direction from the tower?

Vor 3 Tage
Michael Edmunds
Michael Edmunds

"We see the runway is clear." *Gets possessed by Cthulhu*

Vor 4 Tage
Gregory Aleksandrovsky
Gregory Aleksandrovsky

This dude is literally flying a slowtation, what’s he complaining about? His Vref speed is like 110 which is the same as a C310/C340. He needs to get over himself. Talk about an ego!

Vor 4 Tage
dave1m2003
dave1m2003

This guy would never have made it back when I learned to fly. No fancy TCAS or GPS to worry about!

Vor 4 Tage
dave1m2003
dave1m2003

There are douchebags in all aspects of life. This one happens to be a pilot, albeit one with an ego that requires a jet to haul around.

Vor 4 Tage
Jeremy Truesdell
Jeremy Truesdell

For an uncontrolled airport, that is a lot of people. However, as far as I can tell, everyone was communicating fairly well. The citation pilot may have overstepped his authority a bit, but he did not seem particularly rude, and was, in his defense, trying to coordinate with the other pilots due to his higher minimum controllable airspeed and high overtake speed of the other aircraft. Also, his communications are in the form of suggestions rather than orders. Could he have handled it better? Yes. He did come across as a bit of a Karen. Was there any clear misconduct or violations of FARs? Not as far as I can tell.

Vor 4 Tage
Steven Nelson
Steven Nelson

Heh when flying small slow Aircraft I have been kind enough to abort the pattern for faster heavier aircraft. Not because I was required to. But I just wanted to get them down and out of my way...;)

Vor 4 Tage
Jacob Speerstra
Jacob Speerstra

Wow. "I've got a jet" ... LOL

Vor 4 Tage
TwazkemUSAbi
TwazkemUSAbi

Objects on tcas are further then they appear.

Vor 4 Tage
Tom Cook
Tom Cook

My my my this guy does indeed sound like a princess. If I had to guess he's a politician.

Vor 4 Tage
Christopher Treacy
Christopher Treacy

What a nob end ....controlling the pattern and doesn't know east from west

Vor 4 Tage
Jim S
Jim S

Oh my this pilot would kill himself if he had to fly into Oshkosh or Sun 'n Fun! Haha he spends more time talking then flying the damn plane. Aviate, Navigate, and Communicate.

Vor 4 Tage
BLUESKIES&TAILWINDS
BLUESKIES&TAILWINDS

this dude is nuts

Vor 4 Tage
seeingeyegod
seeingeyegod

Bend pilots: THATS RIGHT Iceman, we ARE unsafe.

Vor 5 Tage
Eric Gallipo
Eric Gallipo

Jet pilot was a tool.

Vor 5 Tage
Davis 1118
Davis 1118

I learned to fly at an uncontrolled field and it got very busy during the summer months. If it was too busy for him, then he should have just circled outside the airspace and waited for the traffic to clear. I dont understand why he made the pattern more difficult for everyone else.

Vor 5 Tage
eddiesstuff
eddiesstuff

What is the "Karen" equivalent here for a guy?

Vor 5 Tage
Adriana Rodriguez
Adriana Rodriguez

This guy would have a field day at CGZ.

Vor 5 Tage
Peter s
Peter s

Well, the Citation pilot did sound a little cocky, no doubt about it. But I think he has some good points! First off, the aircraft in the pattern are mostly slow flying and some pilots are less experienced. If he did not direct (or ask strongly?) other planes to cooperate, his Citation would not have been able to land safely. Secondly, the Citation pilot obviously have better equipment onboard that shows where every aircraft is at, just like an ATC radar. I applaud him for stepping to the plate and helping provide additional information. Even in VFR, it is nearly impossible to see behind one's own plane, which can be a danger dealing with faster jets. And lastly, I would even applaud him more if he indeed followed up on his promise to report this to the FAA. Given the volume of traffic at Bend Muni, it certainly seems reasonable to make it a towered D airport. Personally, I would not fly in such congested airspace without ATC. I would just find another less busy airport to do my pattern work.

Vor 5 Tage
JSD
JSD

All of you crapping on the jet pilot at least he was trying to help. He's doing ATC and flying. if this airport is that busy it should have a tower.

Vor 6 Tage
Simon Peters
Simon Peters

Why didn't any ATC interrupt him giving orders to other pilots?

Vor 6 Tage
Dashaman Stevo
Dashaman Stevo

I would love to hear this fellow fly an approach to London Heathrow.

Vor 6 Tage
Ken Fayal
Ken Fayal

I was doing a preflight on my airplane and had my radio on to hear this exchange live. Never thought it would end up on YouTube!

Vor 6 Tage
AztecPilot
AztecPilot

We all want to be safe and mean well. Some are mis-understood! some are laid-back and allow things to happen. Some take charge and make them happen.

Vor 6 Tage
meticulousgeek
meticulousgeek

Daddy's boy was clearly not prepared to fly the expensive plane.

Vor 6 Tage
Dom Mee
Dom Mee

This is the most convincing argument for the necessity for delta controllers ever. As long as there are low time Citation pilots then there's a need.

Vor 6 Tage
Dom Mee
Dom Mee

Using the overhead from the wrong direction in your Slowtation is unsafe. What a moron. Please get bent.

Vor 6 Tage
Nick Thomas
Nick Thomas

Does TCAS know all the aircraft call signs?

Vor 7 Tage
Andrew Schmitt
Andrew Schmitt

All the kids in the playground were having fun enjoying themselves until the rich kid showed up in his fancy bike... lol this is the closest example I could think of... oh, let's not forget that he threatened to tell the principal about their fun-having ways just because he happened upon them having fun...

Vor 7 Tage
Brian James
Brian James

Nothing like a jackass coming in the overhead and telling people to get out of the way.

Vor 7 Tage
Tim Mack
Tim Mack

I'm surprised he didn't identify with "heavy" because that large, inflated ego must make quite a bit of wake turbulence

Vor 7 Tage
Bryce Moseman
Bryce Moseman

This guy is definitely hammered 😂

Vor 7 Tage
Fly Runway Heading
Fly Runway Heading

wooooooooooooooooow.

Vor 7 Tage
C Man
C Man

What kind of moron flies an overhead pattern into a non-towered busy airport? Lots of things wrong with his attitude here. He tells N12H he’ll come in behind him in the same sentence tells him he’ll turn inside him if he extends. He’s got too much information from ADSB and too much airplane for himself to be comfortable.

Vor 7 Tage
Reality Check
Reality Check

Jet pilots CRM is atrocious

Vor 7 Tage
ullmannbh
ullmannbh

Thats some big virgin energy coming from that pilot

Vor 8 Tage
Lunchbox15
Lunchbox15

It's like the princess and the pea except that he's worried he'll hit the pea and it'll take out his engines.

Vor 8 Tage
32flyingk9
32flyingk9

Karen has a deep voice.

Vor 8 Tage
don perkins
don perkins

when you realize that's not ATC directing everyone😲

Vor 8 Tage
James Webb
James Webb

As former ATC .... the Citation pilot is way out of control and I would talk him down in a second. His job is to fly his airplane not to direct everyone else. His job is to work his pattern and he can give reports on pattern 'abnormalities' I understand he's a 'super pilot' and all.? But, he flies a crappy pattern and I would call him out in a second for his very wide and very long downwind. If he can't work a muni pattern ... he needs to go somewhere else and get a controller to help him out ;)

Vor 8 Tage
jeffery bullis
jeffery bullis

Be thankful that the airport is busy and not abandoned, moron jet jockey!!!

Vor 8 Tage
RoadRunnerLaser
RoadRunnerLaser

“There are too many people in this pattern. It’s unsafe” - My first response was, “And you’re still intending to join and compound the problem ? If you consider a situation to be unsafe, good airmanship would involve not putting yourself in the middle of it.” ... but... He’s a JET !!!! I think the “E” in “JET” must stand for “Entitled”.

Vor 8 Tage
Daniel Fox
Daniel Fox

self important asshole that has no idea that the world does NOT revolve around his jet. Id report him for trying to do ATC without a license while flying and attempting to give himself priority traffic. I think I would have been on the radio challenging his assumption of unsafe conditions when it's see and avoid and everyone was doing an excellent job of navigating, aviating, and communicating.

Vor 8 Tage
Asher Young
Asher Young

Air Karen on short final

Vor 8 Tage
Dovid K
Dovid K

What does Citation mean in this context? Thanks!

Vor 8 Tage
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Aircraft type

Vor 8 Tage
K Cook
K Cook

I guess they can shut down ATC when this guy is in the area.

Vor 8 Tage
Slade The Original
Slade The Original

The reason its unsafe is him LOL

Vor 8 Tage
Surf City Video
Surf City Video

Dude thinks he is Captain America.

Vor 8 Tage
mark johnson
mark johnson

That guy should not be flying a Jet! Deal with it, you are the problem. from a Professional Corporate Citation Pilot.

Vor 8 Tage
Alex Edwards
Alex Edwards

Based on whats presented here, the Citation jerk trying to play airborne ATC is what made this unsafe. Not the amount of traffic in the air or near the runway or other pilots.

Vor 8 Tage
Yoshi Wood
Yoshi Wood

What’s actually unsafe is this guy taking up all the radio air time

Vor 8 Tage
breadfan262
breadfan262

So these pilots are basically taking over ATC responsibilities?

Vor 8 Tage

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