Dr Kat and the Voynich Manuscript

  • Am Vor 10 Monate

    Reading the PastReading the Past

    Dauer: 20:50

    Following a viewer suggestion *thank you, Caius Martius Coriolanus*, this video explores the tangled history of the Voynich Manuscript. The manuscript is now held in the Beinecke Rare Books and Manuscript Library at Yale University; they have digitised it and it is available at beinecke.library.yale.edu/collections/highlights/voynich-manuscript).
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    Images:
    Photograph of the Villa Mondragone (15 September 2006 (original upload date)) by R Clemens at English Wikipedia
    A portrait of Wilfrid Michael Voynich (1900) by an unknown photographer
    Multiple images of the Voynich Manuscript come from the Beinecke's digitisation (brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3519597)
    Photograph of Hans P. Kraus taken in 1959 at the time he purchased a St. Albans Apocalypse
    Photograph of the interior of the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library Designed by SOM in 1963 (16 January 2010, 16:45:20); taken by Lauren Manning
    Image of the unsolved 340-character Zodiac cypher from the late 1960s
    Johann Balzer engraving of Johannes Marcus (1772). Source: 87 Abbildungen Böhmischer und Mährischer Gelehrten und Künstler, in Kupfer gestochen und verlegt von Johann Balzer, Prag 1772, S.23
    Statue of Roger Bacon in the Oxford University Museum of Natural History. The photograph was taken by Michael Reeve, 30 May 2004
    Francesco Melzi’s drawing of Leonardo da Vinci (after 1510); held in the Collection of the Royal Librarian (Winsor Castle, United Kingdom)
    An image from a set of 8 extra-illustrated volumes of A tour in Wales by Thomas Pennant (1726-1798) that chronicle the three journeys he made through Wales between 1773 and 1776. These volumes are unique because they were compiled for Pennant's own library at Downing. This edition was produced in 1781. The volumes include a number of original drawings by Moses Griffiths, Ingleby and other well-known artists of the period. Held in the National Library of Wales
    An image of a Grey Alien designed for Genesis 3
    An artist’s impression of Atlantis. Source: voidswrath.com
    Portrait of John Dee by an unknown artist (16th century); held by the Ashmolean Museum
    Hans von Aachen’s portrait of Emperor Rudolf II (1590s); held in the Kunsthistorisches Museum
    Johann Balzer’s engraving of Jacobus Sinapius (aka Jakub Horcicky of Tepenec) (1772)

    Cornelis Bloemaert’s engraving of Athanasius Kircher (1665); held in the Germanisches Nationalmuseum

Nabeel Sowan
Nabeel Sowan

It was already mostly decoded a year ago. It's written in a variant of ancient Turkic.

Vor 7 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

I'm happy to wait as long as it takes and, as there are researchers all over the world with a variety of interests and skills that would qualify them to undertake such peer-review, I am not worried about a lack of qualified people. All the same, thank you for your advice, I will give it the consideration it deserves.

Vor 7 Monate
Nabeel Sowan
Nabeel Sowan

​@Reading the Past Well, seeing as the people you are requiring consensus from, clearly aren't qualified, you'd have to wait for quite a while. Moreover it still does not give any credence to the highly speculative claims you make about it being jibberish. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean others don't. Don't make the worst mistake of scientific discovery, hubris.

Vor 7 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

We may have to agree to disagree on what is required to consider a mystery solved. It's very difficult to quantify progress or agree with presented results without a degree of consensus; as there is yet to be an agreement that the document is even decodable, this is even more necessary as far as I am concerned. As a species, we are driven to find patterns and meaning, of course, but I am (as are many others) equally convinced that the Voynich is not an actual coded or linguistic document. Rather it may well be a product of deception or mental illness. The argument that it is in ancient Turkic is also compelling, but not conclusive. I await peer-review from others with the requisite skills to check the work and its conclusions.

Vor 7 Monate
Nabeel Sowan
Nabeel Sowan

​@Reading the Past That doesn't change the fact that they've made more progress than any previously "substantiated and peer reviewed" claims have, and turned many of the claims upside down since they've been so dramatically western-centric to the point where they are utterly wrong, as in how some seemed to think that it couldn't possibly be a natural language due to some . Language, and humanism in general, is seldom hard verifiable science. In those cases you look at who produces results, not consensus.

Vor 7 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

I am familiar with the work of the Ardiç family and find much of their work very compelling. However, as far as I am aware, their conclusions are yet to be fully substantiated or peer reviewed. I do continue to watch with interest and, if such ratification does occur, I will be certain to make an update video.

Vor 7 Monate
C K
C K

Sukhwant Singh has the answer. Not a theory - an actual answer. His channel is here: @UC3faqH8mYU0Hz1WtohNUk-g Go see his videos. Trust me. Everything he said makes sense, way more than any other theory. He solved the whole thing. He said, "Voynich manuscript belonged to a Roma person who originated from Sindh region of Pakistan. This is a Sindhi Mahajan's book written in landa khojki scripts." Here's the link to one of his videos: @. Give it a like so he gets noticed more! He also has a website that explains everything. @t

Vor 9 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

Thank you for sharing Sukhwant Singh's videos with me - he certainly has done a lot of work on the manuscript and, I believe, presents a compelling argument. I believe his theory deserves further investigation, peer review and, quite possibly, publication. I was struck by many things he mentioned, in particular, his explanation for the lack of (as many argue) mistakes and corrections. His assertion that mistakes are not crossed out or blotted, that the correct word is simply written afterwards, makes lots of sense to me.

Vor 9 Monate
ghfujyfjbvjmy
ghfujyfjbvjmy

I like this video, thanks for making it! I thought it was well produced and you have a good style. As for the manuscript: it's been deeply interesting to me ever since I discovered it a year or two ago. I think you listed the main theories, so I'll go ahead and tell you what I think is most plausible! Firstly, as you mention in the video, this is something that took a lot of time and effort to make. There's a lot of precise writing and full-color drawings. This leads me to believe that it is unlikely someone did this as a hoax/forgery, but let me explain. If the person who made it was in need of money, it is unlikely that they would spend countless hours on what would essentially be a gamble (i.e. hoping to sell the forgery for a lot of money). Moreover, I don't think they would have the resources nor the talent to do something like this. So I don't think it would be a lower class person. I also don't think it would be a higher class person because there would surely be easier ways to make money than this, right? They would have the time, but not the motivation. That leaves middle class people, which is probably most likely (in the forgery/hoax theory). They would have both time and motivation. Still, I think I lean more towards it being the result of a mentally unstable person, or possibly a legitimate text in an unknown language/script (perhaps the most tempting theory!). The strange pictures suggest to me that the former theory is a good bet. The plants and stuff just look weird and not accurate representations of the world. If it was someone trying to invent a script for their culture and language, it seems strange to me that they would do something like that, but it's certainly possible. Perhaps it was a bilingual individual who had knowledge of a romance language, and maybe was even trained within a more developed culture and then brought their knowledge back home. I don't know what the answer is and I worry I never will. It's such a fascinating object and whenever I look at it I feel as though the author is trying to tell me something. Clearly, they're trying to communicate something, but I just don't have the key and it saddens me to think we'll never unlock that enigma.

Vor 10 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

It is very complex and confusing; I must say that I found some peace in the idea that it acts as a mirror reflecting the researcher's own proclivities and experiences. We may learn little about the Voynich from those who claim to have cracked it, but we certainly get an unrivalled insight into that person and their psyche. It's not what we went looking for but can still be rewarding (perhaps that's just for me though)!

Vor 9 Monate
ghfujyfjbvjmy
ghfujyfjbvjmy

@Reading the Past Thank you for the nice reply! I like your point about how sometimes people go to great lengths for jokes/hoaxes because they get pleasure from it. As an example, maybe something like the Dreadnought hoax illustrates this. I hadn't really taken that into consideration until now, so thank you for bringing that to my attention. Unfortunately, I'm even more uncertain and confused than ever before! It definitely can become an obsession. There are many fringe amateur researches who will often announce that they've solved the cypher. You probably came across them in your research for this episode. The more abysmal of these theories, in my opinion, was by Professor Greg Kondrak. I won't go into it, but it felt almost insulting to read what his method was.

Vor 10 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

Thank you for watching and commenting; I am glad you enjoyed the video. I think your theory is very plausible too. I confess that I oscillate between it being a symptom of mental illness and a hoax or joke. After all, it is not unheard of for those with criminality or practical joking in mind to go to some exorbitant expense and effort to bring their plans to fruition. It is such a rabbit hole to fall down - I can see how it can become an obsession. So much so that, if I believed that cursed objects were a thing that could exist, I could be easily convinced that the Voynich is just such an object!

Vor 10 Monate
Divertissement Monas
Divertissement Monas

I would lean towards this manuscript being genuine. I think the rise of the Renaissance Magus and the study of occult mysteries must have been taken very seriously indeed. Another candidate for authorship to be considered is Henry Cornelius Agrippa of Nettesheim. He was also reputed to be good with languages and he would have had the means to purchase the velum. He was also reading the works of Albertus Magnus (1193-1280) from a very early age… All these years attempting to decode it! Now why not just take it to a person skilled in psychometry? Academics hey…lol

Vor 10 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

I'm so pleased you found it useful, and thank you for being so understanding!

Vor 9 Monate
Divertissement Monas
Divertissement Monas

I meant to type Robert Cecil and not Cecil Rhodes! lol What a disappointment that you had to put it on hold. Oh well, it's a good job I watched it a few times and made notes. I was able to make some connections and discoveries of my own after watching. I look forward to the return of normal service and future video uploads.

Vor 9 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

Thank you I'm really pleased you saw it and enjoyed it. Thank you also, for providing the "spark" for me to look at Wunderkammern! Due to unforeseen circumstances, I had to put a hold on the video for now. I do plan to look at other collectors/collections in the near future. Normal service will resume on Friday!

Vor 9 Monate
Divertissement Monas
Divertissement Monas

Dr Kat, I viewed your video on the Wunderkammern with specific reference to Chinese porcelain and Cecil Rhodes's collection. I was intrigued by what you had to say! I was about to comment but the video disappeared. So I will tell you 'here' it was a very interesting discussion. Thank you.

Vor 9 Monate
Divertissement Monas
Divertissement Monas

I will certainly look forward to that video. It would make a great subject for your channel!

Vor 9 Monate
Modestysnooze
Modestysnooze

I love unsolved mysteries and I've heard a bit about the Voynich manuscript before, but I learned loads from this video. Thanks!

Vor 10 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

Thanks for watching and for commenting. I'm really pleased you found it useful.

Vor 10 Monate
Caius Martius Coriolanus
Caius Martius Coriolanus

Thank you Dr. Kat. My life is now complete!

Vor 10 Monate
Reading the Past
Reading the Past

Happy to be of assistance! 😉

Vor 10 Monate

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