Actually, the real reason Ellie spared Abby was because Abby still owed her a pizza.

LOL

The revenge was the pizza we owed along the way

But will she ride her more than her motorcycle?

@Christopher yes

yup

For those who are wondering how Tommy didn’t die getting shot in the head is because Joel ran him over with a truck and his head got used to it.

Funny!

Tommy did survive but the shot left him a little restarted

The skull can be a pretty badass bodypart tho

"thankfully gamers were never wrong again" has to be one of the funniest things dunkey has ever said

Actually, the people who hate it have more motivation to voice their discontent, while the ones that like it don't. So saying it's "gamers" in general is wrong.

@Maxaker this is bait, right?

You're so right!

@Maxaker 'Haters' might be more fitting

“A disgrace to the series…….” Ah yes, that long standing series of one game.

😂

using fan baiting is nothing original, while the whole killing off main character while he is weak and pathetic is something you might notice in 90% of products these days. First it's nice and original, as it gets emotion of you. Then it's tiring as it's everywhere. In the end it's just sick how unoriginal that is, but it does allow the gender swap to happen. While any negative reaction gets placed as something sexists, racists, homophobic ect. The message is everywhere, fan baiting is profitable. No actual work is needed, because any nostalgia can be used to create buzz, help the sales, get the cheap emotion out. In Pro Wrestling culture, we call it squashing the babyface in the upset. It does ton of damage to the whole product on the long run, but it creates one moment which gets a huge pop. Like cashing out the check. Sad to see it happen to a series this short (only second game). No soul, while it may seem like they did something even Dunkey felt the impact. From 2016 until now, most big franchises used the fan baiting. Many fandoms feeling hurt as their favorite franchises that they have big attachment from young age got used. I don't know, you may think I am being dumb here. I just know you will see it when the time comes. It's a one trick pony after all.

@Mr Team Guy So what you're mad about is the fan baiting right? Because that's all I'm seeing here Firstly please remind me of all the other games where the sequel involves one of the main characters dying. Besides that, did you even watch the video? There's no need to misconstrue it, people are genuinely mad about the game because they are racists and homophobes. Not all of them, but the ones that are literally type it out in their reviews/comments... idk what there is to pretend about... yes the fan baiting happened, but if that's all you're mad about, just say that without typing out the rest of this thesis

@HowDoIfindAnamE Yeah, that is my only problem. Could say it's my personal nitpick that hits close to home. I wrote a ton to explain in case people don't understand :)

@Mr Team Guywell no one’s gonna beat Joel if he ain’t injured tbh.

there is a point somewhere between casual talking and high-falutin critical analysis and Dunkey plays both sides at the same time, excellently. Telling hard, nuanced truths in the most sincere and authentic way. this video still holds up and is fucking great

@Handsome_Hero oh my god, you're right!

yep yep yep

Fax

and, as you said, you never played octopath traveler

Watching XQC play this drove me insane. The scene where Joel confesses to Ellie about what he did that day at the hospital and Ellie gets mad his chat just spams stuff like "???????????????" "OKAY DUDE". Like why? How is this confusing or infuriating to you that Ellie is upset about the lies and murder?

I mean what else would you expect from xqc and his chat

Now he’s gambling instead of playing games lol

@Alexander L. Which is TOTALLY not unhealthy.

@FLM REMAKES you can just say from Twitch streamers & chat

If they make a third The Last of Us game it should be called The Rest of Us and only feature obscure side characters and the giraffe. Actually, it should just be the giraffe.

i am not gonna let this genius go unrecognized

Please don't forget the zebras.

I think a certain monkey goes well with a giraffe. Fingers crossed for ****** kong cameo.

LOL

hahahha

"If I was a sellout, you know what I would do? I would read the room, go 'oh look, everyone hates this game,' and I'd pander to fucking idiots" Dunkey spittin' fiery truth

So he's a sellout

@JustAMemeGuy sellout a pizza

@JustAMemeGuy cope

@Stratosphere need more copium pal or are u ok?

@Nein Ja he overdosed on copium 😔

The worst part of this video was running past the rifle ammo without picking it up. I physically recoiled in horror. Dunkey is truly a monster for this.

This story is really a natural progression from part 1. Parents die. Parents die and we have to go on. How we go on depends on what they've taught us.

This actually hurts to think about

I mean the whole title of the series suggests a story thats going to be about loss

Fuck you hit the nail on the head that i never even knew existed, thats exactly it right there, im gonna use this argument from now on

I lol parents don’t die in zombie apocalypse’s lol that’s not what this is about

That’s like saying oh Joel’s daughter dies but you know little kids die too tf 😂

My theory is that people who got spoiled before launch felt the intended hatred towards Abby that Ellie felt, but they couldn't channel those emotions towards actually playing the game like you're supposed to. Instead, they directed their hatred toward the game itself

Good point! I genuinely believe that if the game didn't get spoiled and didn't have all "those" youtubers riding the hate bandwagon doubling down on the amount of hate the game got, it wouldn't have gotten NEARLY as much hate

While I definitely agree with your point—as many people don't handle spoilers well—there is still something to be said about the execution of plot. Dunkey brings up a valid point that it's realistic for Joel to let his guard down after all of these years, and that stupid, insignificant errors are often what bring people down. However, I agree with Luke Stephen's review that the circumstances of Joel's death still have an air of contrivance to them, which doesn't help in selling his death as a good direction to take the story. The story was definitely more focused on Ellie's quest for vengeance clashing against Abby's vengeance needs, and how "eye for an eye leaves the world blind."; how seeking revenge and killing someone in retaliation often doesn't offer the catharsis you hope it will. So, in some ways, Joel went from being an integral character to a plot device, which isn't the best way to sell the narrative to a wide audience who are attached to the character. Joel's presence in Ellie's life and memories is important to her character development in the game, but Joel as a character himself does seem to be sidelined. At the end of the day, I think the story went in the best direction the writers could think of, but I can understand it being unsatisfying beyond unexpected spoilers.

You can just say they're angry that the actual protagonist is a woman and take the pretentious mask off that makes you reach for excuses.

@Saga Ellie was known to be a main protagonist since the game was announced. The real backlash didn't happen until Abby got leaked as a second protagonist and Joel's killer, which happened just a few months before launch

Maybe for the initial few who formed their own opinion of it. But then for the highly vocal majority, it's just pure bandwagoning. Most of the people shit talking the game didn't even play the first game to get some sort of emotional attachment on it. And as you can see, with the common opinion now being that liking TLOU2 is more acceptable, you're gonna see more people agree on the point that despising the game and calling it an actually badly designed game before was just silly. Even if they were literally the ones who were spouting that very shit. Don't think too much on it, clearly they don't.

It's still unbelievable to me that liking this game can trigger so many people, making them go crazy. Like who the hell cares, some people will like the game, some people won't.

It's hard to hate something and have any enjoyment out of it without telling at least someone why. If you are happy about something, you don't actually need any boost. I don't know much about this title, but boy oh boy I would be floored to see any of my beloved game characters go out like that. It would absolutely ruin my will to play next part if it ever happened.

@Trips then you're too immature to handle this game, simple as that.

@lemon Immature? Do you have any idea what that word means? Just because something or someone is making you emotional, doesn't mean you are immature. You can act on it in immature way, yes but having emotions is something human, not childish.

"boy of boy"

@Trips copium manchild

This actually teaches a nice, valuable lesson: if you’re not sure if your comment sounds stupid or not, have it read in Dunkey’s voice

I read your comment in Dunkey's voice and it sounds stupid. Also I read this comment in his voice and I sound stupid. In fact I'm reading it in his voice just as I type this and I feel stupid.

@Lucius Artorius Castus spaghetti and meatballss

omg this makes everything better

To be fair dunkey's voice can make anything sound stupid

I prefer dale gribble but to each their own

About Joel trusting Abby's gang.... Joel's problem in game one is that he can't let anyone get close to him because of losing Sarah. He's a man trapped in the worst moment of his life, like Sisko at the beginning of DS9. Ellie has *just* gone through a lot of trauma just before she met Joel. At the end of the game, Joel and Ellie think of each other as father and daughter. As Joel lets Ellie in and accepts her as his daughter, his faith in life has been renewed. He sees value in community and human connection. He has a family. His adopted daughter lives nearby. He's no longer estranged from his brother. He's found a community. Friends. He owns a home. He's making art. Whittling. Playing guitar. He participates in patrols, far more community driven than the days of him and Tess smuggling for ration cards. Most importantly, Ellie had just agreed to try and work on getting past his monumental gaslighting levels of global proportions about her immunity. Despite him taking away her agency, lying to her for years about robbing her of a meaningful death. She's willing to work on it. Because she cares about him. Joel trusts Abby because he has grown to care about people. Because he has fundamentally changed due to the events of the first game. It's badic character growth. He no longer sees all other humans from a distance. Character growth, which, unfortunately, is his downfall.

You can explain it to them, but you can't understand it for them.

@Don't Subcribe Don't Like it’s not even hard looool they’re being chased by infected why wouldn’t you trust some girl who you just saved 😂😂😂

Agreed, and even then he doesn’t say his name to the group very easily. In fact, it’s Tommy blabbering about town and how they’re brothers. Once that’s established, Joel just says his name with a kind of hesitant tone.

The discourse surrounding The Last Of Us 2 is such shit precisely because it's filled with a bunch of people who either A. didn't actually play the game or B. Refused to engage with what the game is actually about. Culminating with bad faith takes regarding its tone, writing, and characters that are essentially "I don't like what you did to my favorite character" rant. Is that valid argument? Sure. But I'd rather people honest that that's the reason rather than make up shit to "get revenge." Because that's all it really was.

you are forgetting the world these people live in, despite being more open and caring Joel still survived 20 years as a survivor, smuggler and former hunter. Its not saving abby that's the issue, in fact, it would make sense for him to save her considering tommy is there and they are right outside jackson. The issue is, when he goes back to abbys base and sees numerous heavily armed strangers with militia badges and decides to leave his weapons and bag on his horse. He has no caution with these strangers, and decides to walk carefree and without any caution into the middle of the room and in front of all these strangers and even tells all these armed strangers with militia badges his name. This is so uncharacteristic from Joel, even from what we see in TLOU2, I'm pretty sure there is a flashback where jesse mentions how Joel gives him a hard time about patrols and about being more careful lmao, and don't even get me started with how cautious this man was in the first game, being able to spot a hunter attack instantly. Plus even if he has become more open and caring, that doesn't mean he would lose his caution and survivor expertise, he even tells ellie in one of the flashbacks that she needs to keep her mask on even though its just the 2 of them in case a stranger sees her, showing how he is still always likes to keep it safe. The decisions joel makes are completely out of line with his cautious nature and they don't make sense for someone who who survived 20 years in the apocalypse.

Wow, after this video, the original Last of us 2 video now went from the most disliked video on the channel to zero dislikes. Truly amazing.

I think it depends on how psychologically forgiving you are as a person defines if you liked it or not. For me, I absolutely hated Abby and thus the game. Seeing people empathising with Abby, tells me I got deeper personal issues to deal with. Like pineapple pizza.

Deep

I don't think the game tries to tell you to empathize with Abby, they just show you who she really is, she's not a villain but she's also not a hero

@Santiago Barrios ...you're describing empathizing

It’s been a while since I played the first one, so I detached a little more than some other people may have from Joel and Ellie’s relationship, but tbh I fully started siding with Abby and actually wanted to kill Ellie in the theatre. Abby did kill Joel, but only because he killed her dad. Then Ellie goes on to kill literally everyone Abby was ever close to. Kind of terrible for Abby.

@JasonSimonVEYO Yeah I felt the same way, and I think that’s sort of the intent of the story, but most players were too attached to Ellie & Joel and/or didn’t get pulled in enough by Lev’s storyline that was intended to grab you by emulating Ellie and Joel’s story from LoU 1.

The fact that there are people who judged the game before even playing it, who think their opinion should be taken seriously will never not be baffling to me.

There's a big difference between "it looks bad" and "it is bad." I got crap for saying I didn't want to watch Squid Game because it looked bad. I was told I couldn't judge it until I watched it and yeah that's true. However so many people saying "TLOU2 is bad and I'm never playing it!" Absolute drones.

This is probably the smartest comment I seen someone make recently to this video.

The game's point is to come to terms with hatred and put it aside. People should never hate dunkey for liking Last of Us 2. They should hate him for putting Little Debbie Chocolate Chip Mini Muffins as an F tier muffin. Those bitches are S tier, fattening godsent goodness, and everyone besides him knows it.

Dunky is a fraud. A cheat. He knows nothing. Those muffins are NOT F TEIR. I love them.

"Then its my fault cause I'm a homophobe?" This review killed me

Rip u get well soon

That was fking hilarious

I tilted at it, thought it was satire but then the painful realisation

@thisismysuperawesomeusername 🤣🤣

people cant tell that the anger they feel about joels death was entirely intentional, it was done to align the players motives with ellie's. very smart actually, it doesnt matter that you dont have choice in the game, because if done right, you would have done the same thing anyway

Yes and no. That doesn't explain playing as Abby, which was frustrating because I didn't like her character. Meanwhile, I started to dislike Ellie as the game progressed but mainly because her life is so depressing and empty and she has to kill so many people just to get near Abby.

​@Gretchaninov Playing as Abby wasn't meant for you to like and if you did that's a plus. The point was for you to see her side of things because often times we dehumanize our "villians" and we hated her with no context and wanted her dead. With revenge there is no good or bad guy. It's simply to show the consequences and the spiral of your actions. We loved joel regardless of the terrible things he's done and hate Abby for avenging her father. It's quite simple.

@AgentShady CIA Don't worry, I completely got it. You see, the game beat me over the head with that message for hours and hours on end. It's a very predictable and typical message these days. Disney has been doing the same trite crap with their putrid live action remakes. All of a sudden, every villain has a "point of view" which justifies their actions. I call BS. There is such a thing as evil. The context changes everything. Initiating an attack against an innocent person is one thing. Protecting an innocent person is another. Hitler invading Poland is one thing, the allies invading Normandy is another. Or do you see them as the same thing? I haven't played TLOU for a long time. But Joel was likeable because he cared for Ellie and had lost so much himself. He did not kill indiscriminately, he killed to survive. And he protected Ellie who was important in many ways. Joel was good in a realistic way, not a 1-dimensional way. He wasn't a Mary Sue, but he made tough decisions and felt like a genuinely good person in an unforgiving and terrifying world. Abby is just dull in comparison. She's not remotely interesting as a character. And her motivations are far less noble. Sure, her father was killed, but she should be angry about WHY, not only that he died. Once she found out that he was going to kill a girl (without Ellie or Joel's consent), she should have been angry about that. If a family member of yours attempted murder, would you side with them? What Abby did was compulsive and evil. And the game tried to mess with us by making us play as Abby and artificially having her look after other characters, as if that justified her killing Joel. She's just nowhere near as interesting. Both Abby and Ellie kill a lot of people in this game for no reason. Also, the game makes Joel look stupid. He saves Abby who then betrays him. That makes her look even worse, but it also throws away the intelligence and strength we know him for. It's easier for the game to make Abby a big deal by tearing down something we care about than for them to build her up by herself. Imagine alternating between playing as Joel and playing as Abby. Nobody would want the Abby part because she's so boring. So they had to kill him and try to lecture us about it. You can keep insisting this is some brave, deep and noble statement. But I don't think you sincerely believe that. It's a patronising and predictable message, and a deeply flawed one. Not all revenge is the same. Abby's father was not innocent, he was about to commit murder. Joel's actions were justified. Abby's "revenge" was not. And all the time playing her was a waste.

@Christopher Reidalot to unpack there I’ll just point out that Joel let his guard down because he grew to be more of a father for Ellie and ultimately softened his exterior

Now that the show is out and getting good reviews how they pull off 2 is going to be fascinating. The casting/writing of Abby is going to need to be next-level perfect, that whole story beat depends on making us go from loathing her to begrudgingly liking/understanding her.

Too bad Jocelyn Mettler’s not an actor. (She’s Abby’s body model fwiw, and yes she’s actually that jacked)

I'm pretty sure there won't be a sequel for the show. Having watched it, the final episode didn't provide any insight to the surgeon operating on Ellie. This supposed Abbey, or even any other side character for the hospital. It ends pretty much exactly as the original, which I don't mind. But makes me realize there probably won't be more.

@Don II they confirmed that they’re writing season 2, but time will tell when/if that actually materializes.

Which is why this game is a masterpiece of using the medium to tell a difficult story. I honestly think the show is going to struggle to make the viewers empathize with Abby without that empathy supercharging you get by becoming the character. Like look at the response to the game, despite them using every trick in the book, and the unique power of game's to functionally make you the character in the narrative, you still have neanderthals screeching about it despite throwing their controller at the wall and never finishing.

If you dont like the zombie game you are a literal caveman

My favourite part of this video is at 1:26 when he’s cycling through the thumbnails and pauses on the quartering as he says ‘pander to fucking idiots’. Subtle but art at its finest

lol, good catch

Thank you, internet stranger, for sharing the same contempt against The Quartering.

Yeah, I really dislike that dude. DarkViperau made everyone a favor when he humiliated that incel publicly.

@- Bielle lol. i have yet to see some use “incel” correctly. just throw it around

The hardest part about this story, is understanding that in order for Ellie to move on and be happy, she needed to let go of Joel. After the incident in Seattle, Ellie was just hunted by both Joel’s death, and her unquestionable failure of killing Abby. The world around Ellie is crashing down with walls surrounding her as she tries to be with her family. Personally, Tommy did not guilt trip Ellie. Ellie was looking for any excuse to go after Abby. After Seattle, their was no more leads on Abby’s whereabouts. She was now lost to both Tommy and Ellie, a ghost, an urban legend. The fact that their was a solid lead at all, was pure narrative luck. While Tommy suffered physically, Ellie continued to suffer within. Her attachment to Joel ultimately destroyed her relationships as she and Tommy started to immortalized Joel. Their was no need to go after Abby. Their was no need to fighter or kill her. What people forget is that Ellie could have killed Abby. Even within the cinematic cutscenes, Ellie is shown with her guns on the side with a switchblade ready to gun her down or slowly torture her. But it’s her actions and carful line of dialogue that the player starts to understand or questions Ellie’s motivations and goals here. Never once within the last section of the game, does it state that Ellie wishes to kill Abby. She never once says even with herself, “I’m going to kill Abby.” Or “i’m going to make Abby suffer.” And even when Ellie finds and sees Abby helplessly hanging within the pillars, she never once states her true intentions. Ellie has the opportunity to end the “monster” that took everything from her. Ellie made the hardest choice within her life. Ellie and Abby’s last fight wasn’t even about Abby. It was the fight of wether Ellie could let go of Joel, or be a slave to his immortalization.

@Tripod9648 Thank you for breaking that down. I love learning these deeper meanings that I didn't fully pick up on.

Every once in a while I come back to this video to remind myself why I've stayed subbed to Dunkey all these years. Agree with him or not, Dunkey will always keep it real.

"at times I even felt emotion" is the line that really got me

same lmao, was really the cherry on top

"...storytelling is so good I thought I was dreaming" This one cracked me up.

@Weaver Quest bruh i was so confused if that was really from days gone review lmao

ur not alone I verbally cackled

Can we get this comment to 420 likes

Dunkey after years of thought and growth you were right in the end, I can appreciate the story of the last of us 2 now and the ending as well. I apologize 😢

My take on the ending is that Ellie spared Abby as a way to forgive Joel. You have a character whose one selfish act killed a girl’s father, destroyed a community, left the survivors to rot in their grief, and then all of the events of the game, all the friends killed between Ellie and Abby, tommy being maimed for life. I think Ellie knew that Abby didn’t deserve to die, and so to pay for Joel’s sins she does not avenge him. And in doing so Ellie absolves herself of Joels mistakes, as a way to forgive him

Not a bad interpretation.

Yeah that's one of the best ways to understand this story, I think that there's some people that couldn't undestand it but the majority of people din't WANT to understand it because a youtuber told them that it was "politcal" and "woke"

To add to that, a lot of what happens to Abby was like making her walk in Joel's shoes. She is traumatized by the murder of a family member, forges a bond with someone younger which helps relieve that pain, and sacrifices so much for that one person. In a way, Abby became like Joel. She even shares some gameplay similarities with him, like using shivs. So when Ellie spared Abby and let her go, it was also the closest thing Ellie could get to forgiving Joel now.

The best one I've read so far is Ellie suffers from PTSD by experiencing Joel's death. This triggers her into a panic attack when the barn door slams shut. It also explains why she feels forced to pursue Abby alone, even though Abby would've died on the stake if she never went after her (smth she didn't know at the time, but nonetheless, she felt compelled to pursue this memory instead of allowing it to rest). In a way, it's a compulsion instead of a decision she willingly makes. Think of it as this trauma being a thorn in her side, and that thorn can only be pulled out if Abby is killed, considering Abby is the source (ie the rose) of said thorn. This is how PTSD mainly works and people who don't get "revenge" will often be resentful towards their loved ones and society for not helping them get rid of this imbalance in justice they experience. However, on the beach, we see Ellie having a vivid memory of Joel. This happens right after she loses her fingers and her memory of Joel forces her to recognize this might disable her to play his song. I'm making a very long-winded way of saying that she tried to remember Joel by being like Joel instead of herself. That one memory reminds her of who she is. Ellie is creative, we see her making songs, drawing, writing. Violence isn't her way of dealing with things, but the anxiety that goes along with PTSD and the people she's surrounded with force her to believe this is the right way to deal with Joel's death. Only in the end, by remembering the positive effect SHE had on Joel, by turning him into a softhearted old man that picked up the guitar again, that cared more about finding coffee than killing fireflies, that could be a father again like he used to be with Sarah, reminds her who she really is or at least the ideals she holds true to herself. That's why she gives up. She's not doing the right thing, she's simply not doing the wrong thing to prevent herself from becoming a savage. We've seen in the first game Ellie isn't afraid to kill. Remember that boss fight in the tavern when Joel was sick and we played as Ellie? When she kills that guy, Joel has to stop her because she's going berserk. I think Ellie is afraid of that side of herself, but in TLOU2 she gives in, and only in the end she snaps out of it. Maybe she's afraid she got out of control once again, maybe she has that memory of Joel beause he was the only one who saved her from becoming a savage, to have a life where creativity instead of violence is her raison d'être, but now it's taken a toll. She doesn't have Joel to save her, she's lost her loved ones, and she even lost his song. Like Dunkey says, she went out of control, thereby losing everything, including her sense of self. I think that's exactly why so many people hate this game: it shows one of our favorite characters turning into a savage, failing, and we're not used to this kind of storytelling. It's much closer to Russian literature than American because it lacks obvious irony like American Psycho for example, it gives ambiguity to who is good or evil by providing both sides of the story, which I think is a very profound choice to make the story work and gain that gravity we wouldn't get if we're just supposed to root for Ellie all the way to the end. I can agree with you that she might recognize herself in Abbie, and this eye for an eye thing should have ended after Joel's death. That Abbie is a good person, just like Ellie used to be a good person, and they both got corrupted by losing their father so violently. This is just the explanation I prefer because I personally adhere to the philosophy that we all carry both good and evil within us and that whatever those terms mean are very ambiguous and are also dependant on the culture we live in and how we fill those in individually. It also takes the psychological process Ellie goes through as the story progresses into account, which is more important imo than trying to reduce a 30+ hour game into a simple moral.

@Mike Vanegas I love it when certain people complain about politics in games and then you see their favorite games are The Last Of Us 1 and Fallout New Vegas or other games with very obvious political themes.

Some of the hatred for TLOU2 is a prime example of how spoilers are what make the world a terrible place.

I truly believe that without the spoilers before the release, the reception of the game would have been much, MUCH better.

Well yeah because the spoilers proved the game was gonna be dogshit. So fans were expecting them to step up, but instead we got this trash

@LG HD TV- nice bait

@LG HD TV- 🤡

On a graphics level this game is a technological marvel, the gameplay is tense and satisfying at once and the story provides an experience that defines your mood and thoughts for days to come due to the impact it leaves on your soul. I believe you need a certain level of age and maturity to fully enjoy this once-in-a-decade gem.

I'm older, I'm mature. It's lazy. The way the game makes you feel is lazy. And that's the feeling I get. The game play is good through like 60% of the game until they run out of ideas at the last 40% besides the chained biters. The moral is fucked by the end as you essentially condone murder and let it go proving that revenge is an okay cycle for certain people, contrary to the message by Druckmann. The pretentious air of Druckmann also made me dislike the game. He doesn't want you to have fun, he wants you to FEEL. Well I felt, it's low effort "oh that's sad, feel sad" but the pacing and continuity is so jumbled I couldn't find myself caring at all. The game would've been better if you stopped going back and forth through timelines and it was more linear. I'd argue that the feeling you get isn't due to maturity, but immaturity. For being convinced by such low effort gut punchers. That doesn't even get to the point where you play as Abby. God. I don't want to play as her, the backstory isn't making me sympathize with her in the slightest, I don't like her character. It was just a slog to get back to who I bought the game to play. Again, lazy attempts at emotional manipulation. The graphics are stellar and the gameplay is good for most of the game. But the story... It's being pumped for really no other reason other than contrarianism and believing in a shittily put together morality concept. This game didn't even need to happen, it didn't really profoundly conclude the series. The first one had a somewhat unconcluded ending, but it felt right. It was a perfectly fine story that didn't need expansion. With TLOU2, the story ends conclusively, but it has an empty feeling to it, like there should be a couple hours more to totally complete the arch. It felt even more empty than an ending that didn't conclude really at all.

I will never get over how often people think that homophobia and sexism are valid critiques of a games story, just literally makes no sense

the fact that so many people jumped on the bandwagon of hating tlou2 just because theres a trans character is crazy..

@8pija I liked the game but hated the trans character.

@Rafael Crabs bro u probably dont even know who the character is, thats the sad part

@8pija Hating something including a trans person isnt the same as hating trans people. Its more likely people are annoyed with the motivations and/or pressure devs recieve to include certain things to seem inclusive.

You don't understand dunkey, that line from Days Gone was actually hinting at a future installment in the franchise. When she says "you can have this one back, but only if you ride me as much as you ride your bike." She's actually hinting to the fact that she is, in fact, not a human, but a cyborg with the ability to transform into a bike. Now, most people wrongly interpret this as some sort of innuendo, but anyone with a brain who has invested any amount of time into the game can easily see that the devopers spelled it out. You go through the game and think she's dead and then BAM you find out she's alive, but is she? See, you can easily tell that since NERO made the virus and it's suspected it was an attempt to speed up human evolution that they have some sort of interest into advancing humanity. And what do you do if you can't alter humans biologically? You do it artificially. See, Dr. Anderson actually operates a fringe development under the umbrella of NERO that was looking into cybernetics. See the helicopter Sarah was in never went to the safe zone, and actually brought her to a facility where she was turned into a cyborg capable of transforming into an advanced motorcycle. "Why would she have said that line before she was turned into a cyborg" you might ask? And that is because in the original storyline, the writers had initially decided that she would have been a cyborg since birth, but the producers decided to save the introduction of the cyborgs until the second installment of the franchise where the game would then turn into an escort mission where in the end you decide to either destroy cyborgs and freakers, merge the 2 together into a new super species, or control all the cyborgs under your consciousness. This is of course a bold move by the studio as never before has such a revolutionary idea been considered and I for one can't wait to see if they plan on making a 3rd game where you play through the same story from the perspective of Boozer's dog, Jack.

Well done

damn

Wow, you almost made me feel emotion.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Nicely said

I finally played both games and can finally share an informed opinion and watch this video. I did not like the Last of Us 2. When I played the Last of Us, I lost my sister and job, moved away from friends and family and never felt so alone. So when I played as a man running on empty, and got to experience having a daughter I'd never had, it was amazing. I felt myself revitalized. The ending made me feel again, and left me with hope for Ellie and Joel. Last of Us 2 robbed me of that hope. It made me furious to witness the cruel murder of the man like me. It made me furious to see the hope I had result in a cycle of murder and bad relationships. It made me furious that I formed empathy for the person responsible because of a decision I made. I didn't want to feel angry, I wanted to feel happy. So I hated Last of Us 2 for betraying me like this, but that's what made it such an incredible, memorable story. The game robbed me again, it robbed me of the catharsis of revenge that it gave Abby so mercilessly before. And it was only at that moment that I remembered that the hope I dreamed of was still possible thanks to that same person who killed me. Last of Us 2 was a great game that ended on the hope I once had for the world, even if it's one that no longer had me in it. Needed Donkey Kong though so 1/10.

'The story and characters are top notch, at times I even felt emotion'. My favorite review

I was living in a foreign country and travelling when this game came out. I loved the first one so much so avoided any and all spoilers except for the big one which was impossible to miss. Now after all these years I have finally played the game and watched my favorite youtubers 2 videos on the game. You explained the story and game so well. I am actually shocked at how good your story tellling is. Masterful description of a sad game and why it makes you feel sad and why the game did what it did. Noice

Appreciate your honest take. I was so emotional watching this when it first came out. But watching this now, a year and a half later, was eye opening. It really is a beautiful story and just so human. I wonder how I’d feel playing or watching a playthrough of it now…

I love how dunkey showed us the *metric* score to(attempt to) prove a point Show us the *imperial* scores too

I get it

Obi wans gettin a bit imperial in his old age

what about the stormcloak scores

@gandalf I don't get the joke bro I don't play Skyrim

Imperial march theme plays on the banjo*

I must say I hopped pretty late on the TLOU2 train... And I refrained myself from any spoilers until this very year when I actually played the game. I loved it. It is inspired and heartbreaking... It became one of the best videogames I played in my whole life. I love you dunkey... That is why I'm watching this video now (in 2023). I kept this in my "watch later" until this very moment ❤

I think what makes Abby's character work in terms of the player over time sympathizing for her is how fun the gameplay is. When switching to Abby, we get newer military-style weapons to use, along with the already awesome cast of weapons and gameplay mechanics in TLOU2 (aside from the unlimited shiv), compelling us to keep playing the game. It is very easy for anyone to put the game down when they feel it is bad in terms of story now, but the gameplay is what kept me going on towards liking Abby as a character, especially her relationship with Lev later in the game.

I’ll take your point a step further. That’s an advantage video games has as a storytelling medium over any other. Through actually moving, shooting, sneaking, etc. as a character, your decisions and their decisions feel tied together. You’re connected to them in a way you wouldn’t be had you not fought your way through hell as them. It’s a great empathy mechanism, so in hindsight, playing as Abby was an essential path to take the story. And one that really worked for me.

@Adrian9OH9 YES! Videogamedunky gave a good analogy for the different play styles : Ellie is UC4, while Abby is the TLoU1. Ellie is on a mission, to hunt down Abby, while taking down unknown enemies to get to her mission. Abby goes through a journey of pain and reconciliation, through relationships with Lev. It's really impactful and humanizes Abby.

The Crossbow sold Abby completely to me, tbh. I was just watching The Walking Dead at that point and I loooove Daryl. I was just like...Wait? I really get a crossbow? Niiiiiice!

A lotta people have issues with how much killing Ellie does only to have her at the end not kill Abbey. Personally I felt that by the end you realize Ellie was the villain of the game. And I love it. I get why others wouldnt.

Ellie was the hero, and Joel was the villain of both games. Proof you just want to push a narrative and have no clue about what you're talking about.

I respect your view and understand how you could see it that way. Personally, I believe there aren't many villains in the world of The Last of Us, except for David and the Hunters. The rest of them, the WLF, the Seraphites, Abby and her friends, they're all just trying to survive.

(My thoughts on why Ellie spares Abby): What I love about the ending is that when Ellie thinks about her last memory of Joel they talk about one of biggest plot and humanly parts of last of us 1 and 2. Ellie living despite her being the cure for so much pain and suffering in the world. In the memory she mentions what use her life is now that she has gotten to life. After everything she has been trough, while chocking Abby underwater she thinks about that. Why did I get to live only to cause more harm. I'm done. And she finaly (allong with starting to forget Joel's death) accepts that she has gotten to live. And. Living is one of the best parts of the world. Also, i miss donkey Kong during this game so yeah. Fuck this game don't buy. Buy donkey Kong frozen ape for 50 dollars.

I freaking love Dunkey's videos so much

Holy shit, days gone writing is insanely good. Did you hear that line at the wedding? It was meant like two things cause he rides his bike and has sex with her. My god my mind is blown right now. That is 10/10 writing and I had to hear that line over 100 times before I got what they were doing because it’s so subtle and easy to miss. If only the last of us 2 could have the genius writing days gone had maybe it would’ve been more well received.

Yes, Day's Gone's writing is up on par with Rdr2 because the lines are just so good.

@Closed Down Channel Yes's, Days's's Gone's's writing's is's up's on's par's with's Rdr2's because's the's lines's are's just's so's good's

I burst out laughing at two in the morning reading this Jesus Christ

@guessinginthedark Yes’s’s, Days’s’s’s Gone’s’s writings’s’s is’s up’s’s on’s’s par’s’s with’s’s RDR2’s’s because’s’s the’s’s lines’s’s are’s’s just’s’s so’s’s good’s’s..

@guessinginthedark best comment I have ever read on YouTube

I'm so glad back when this game came out I managed to avoid all spoilers. Including Joel's death. In fact, when it launched and I started playing, I was still under the impression that Abby may be Ellie's mother. Remember when that was the going theory after they released the trailer of her being hanged by the Seraphites. I love this game, very few games have left me feeling exhausted after playing it, and I love it for that. Dunkey is right about many people not knowing why they're mad, I see it all the time, people just repeat the same opinions they see others have online instead of thinking for themselves.

Just for contrast you should check out the comment section of Angry Joe's review. They parrot everything like he's game review Jesus. "Just because you explain something doesn't make it good!" was quoted a lot and.. it's such a hollow statement because explaining something doesn't make it bad either. By that omission explaining how explaining everything is bad is bad..

I think the moral of the second game is an eye for an eye leaves us all blind. I hated the game at first, now I think it's an amazing story. That's what real art does. It becomes extremely polarizing.

That is actually deep. Like SUPER DEEP man, i mean, that's what i call a powerful storytelling. Like a revelation

"an eye for an eye leaves us all blind" Naughty Dog really are geniuses for coming up with that one, the whole time I thought revenge was good because that was the goal in the beginning of the game but then the plot twist was that actually revenge bad. That's what real art does.

The long distances of travel are softly explained during the game though. No one teleports. They just make light mention of the length of time it takes to travel. Ellie's journal entries clearly indicate this. Toward the very end of the game, I was surprised when the big rattler guy tells Ellie that Abby got picked up by them a couple of months prior or something like that. The game really did make it seem like Ellie had arrived just hours or maybe a couple of days later than Abby did and didn't bother explaining that several weeks had elapsed until that character made mention of it. It stands to reason that this sort of thing is probably going on a lot more than is made evident to the player while the game is happening.

great video dunkey, solid points about the story. played through 1 and 2 last year and it impacted me more than most stories have in a long time.

I interpreted the ending of the game, when Ellie remembers her last conversation with Joel and then spares Abby, as Ellie realising that she still cannot forgive Joel even after it all. But then, if Ellie herself can't forgive Joel, how could have Abby done it?

This is my favorite interpretation I've read. Damn

Holy shit, good take

you're very clearly dodging the main criticisms against the game. people are obviously just upset that time travel monkey didn't end up being the father of all characters

Exactly my guy 0/5 dunko points

Wtf? Why do you think Ellie is immune in the first place? Read the damn wiki

Oh God here we go again🙄. Everyone needs to get over it. They clearly explained why the time travel monkey wasn't the father of all characters.

If you watched the end credits you get an explicit scene of TTM giving birth to everybody

And giving special blood to Ellie

As someone who was divided on the ending but enjoyed the journey, i 100% agree with this outlook. The comparison to the first really helped aswell.. lmao i never realized that they parallel each other, tbf though i feel alot of people saw it coming in the first and would've almost been mad if it didn't happen like that. As that was what i remember a lot of the discussion surrounding the first was about.

excellent video, a must to watch. a masterpiece storytelling, at times i even felt emotion

Common Dunkey W. People complain about games being cookie cutter but get mad when a developer deviates. True to this day.

I'm late to this, but regarding the ending, the whole point of playing Abby's journey is to realise that revenge does not bring you closure, you do. Abby still gets nightmares even after she killed Joel and it's saving Yara and Lev that gave her a sense of closure and relief. If Ellie did kill Abby, who's to say she'll be happy after that or her episodes of PTSD will stop? Forgiving Abby and letting her go was Ellie's way of finding closure; to just let it go.

Great analysis, funny AF, sorry people are stupid. Keep up the great work 👍

The “Bill was gay” part was really funny, just goes to show that a lot of people couldn’t pick up details that weren’t even that hidden in the first place.

they didn’t read any of the notes just killed everything in their way. these same people are the ones who didn’t read any of the notes in this game and realize everyone is getting tired of the killing.

Bill in read dead 2 was gay too. Bill=gay confirmed

Same people who didn't know Ellie was gay and raged during the second game, lol.

dunkey replied to that entire side of peoples' argument about the homosexual content in one concise, beautiful fifteen second segment and didn't bother to touch on it again because he's not a piss-baby who shits their diapers the second anything even remotely tagged as 'sjw' enters their domain. swear to god, these commenters who spout that bull will take any excuse to get pissed at something.

I only just finally started playing these games about a month ago Grabbed the Remake on PS5 and really enjoyed it, especially because I could finally fine tune the controls to feel a lot more modern I immediately bought the second one and I'm a decent little way into it, and honestly I think I'm enjoying it more than the first. Just from a game play and level design perspective I think it's just more fun to play The story doesn't grip me the same way the first game did, but that's because the interactions between Joel and Ellie were just so well written and that whole game is carried by the development between those two The acting and facial animations are just as good in the sequel, but the charm is gone. That doesn't however mean that I'm not invested in the story at all. I don't know, Joel dying really didn't upset me because I never really found him to be some kind of beloved hero that I had a huge attachment to For the things that he did, eventually he had to die

If you ask me, Joel’s death was almost too good at making people feel emotion, to the point where people came to the conclusion that you weren’t allowed to kill off the main character of the game in order to evoke emotion, as some probable form of coping. correct me if I’m wrong.

I think the problem isn't Joel's death but rather how the death happens.

No the issue here is that he was in the middle of the room and not in the corner. 0/10

​@hollow knightthey just escaped a horde of zombies and he'd been in the room for like 10 seconds. They just escaped literal death, in that instant human faces would be a warm welcome, particularly a bunch of regular looking unassuming 20-30 something year olds, especially with a pregnant one! He's human, not Superman or some Mary Sue impervious to damage. Expecting him to immediately be cautious with someone he just saved is.. well none of us have experienced that. You would assume gratitude would follow, not shotgun shells to the knees. If you want to argue the odds of Joel finding Abby at that moment being outlandish I could understand that but this sn't the same emotionless, jaded Joel from the start of the first game. He's found happiness in his life through Ellie and has been living a relatively peaceful life in Jackson for years. He's older and softer.

@Rafael Crabs just to be clear, I think the writing is fundamentaly flawed and what you are saying is one of the reasons that i think like that. like you said, nobody's first thought of someone who just saved you from horrible horrible death is to kill him as brutally as possible, and most of Abbys group didnt even acknowledged that they are breathing because of Joel and instead they spit on him! And another point on Joel changing i get that he's become a better person and risk thing he didnt before, but you have to acknowledge that surviving more than 25 years in an apocalypse is not something that is so easily forgotten and replaced because sure Joel changed but the world his life has been adapting to didnt. So all I'm saying is forgetting and not acknowledging all that happend in the past (last of us 1)and what is happening right now (as in last of us 2) just to force the plot move forward is bad writing and shouldn't happen like that. BTW, as a side note, pacing of last of us 2 is horrible

@hollow knightJoel would have to be the most paranoid person on earth to think he was in danger in that room lmao

I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe at the cuts of Joel just blasting over people with his truck with country music blaring in the background

Yeah, we played the game. That's what happened.

I come back to this video from time to time and am always amazed at how good it is. Last of Us 2 was a very memorable story with tons of emotional and intense moments. Too bad this video doesn't get more views, I really do find it to be one of your most passionate

I just finished the game mostly because I wanted to watch this video spoiler free and the fact that I never came up with the idea to throw the ball over the fence as Abby makes me feel pleasent 9/10

"I am the guy who self-destructed his Microsoft partnership when I couldn't even pay rent..." I can already tell this is gonna be a good video.

Zapadose but it is

love that you just stole a line and got likes

Zapadose it was

This absolutely is. If you cannot understand why he said that and how imporant it is to this narrative...

Zapadose it’s a pretty good video

The things I would do for a 4 hour dunkey video

watch his stream vods

This game is in my top five most favorite games of all time. Its absolutely rare does something like this come out that leaves you sitting in a dark room pondering about ethics and morality after credits roll and hell even after months, its still on your mind something in the background.

this series will forever be one of my favorites, the only other game to ever get me so emotionally invested is Red Dead 2. I will never get tired of this story and i will always want more

I just finished TLOU2 and I can wholeheartly agree with dunkey. This is a fucking masterpiece of interpersonal relations in an apocalyptic environment that begins with TLOU1.

"She can live the life Joel would have wanted for her...." "Ladies and gentleman, Obi Kenobi" Best transition ever

actually dunkey, when Ellie said "just take him" to Abby, she was actually telling her to absolve the debt of pizza, not to let Joel go. truly a poetic moment

Usually, I just enjoy the commentary, Dunk. However, you nailed this revisit. TLOU2 is a great game. You broke down the PJ aspect perfectly. I don't really give a damn what YouTube haters have to say about my comment. I appreciate storytelling that breaks up established formulas. Both games do something to the player emotionally, regardless if you enjoy the game or not... they force you to feel something. Most games don't do this. If you don't want human stories or games that elicit emotional response—go play COD or a sports game. There are plenty to choose from. I'm looking forward to the 3rd one... with no expectations, and I refuse to let any jackass hater ruin it for me before I get the chance to experience it. Naughty Dog make great games.

I'm glad that there are people who always cares for the other side of the coin.

@fizik I'm certain in real life buff women don't exist. Couldn't possibly happen

Two years later, Dunkey’s still right.

I had nearly every plot point spoiled for me and still every moment had me emotional.

I liked Last Of Us 2. It was real. In reality you don't get what you want most of the time. Reality is ugly, unfair, and often illogical. Humans are often unethical and complicated. People change their minds about important things all the time. I can relate to Elle changing her mind about killing Abby at the last second. I was abused multiple times physically, emotionally, and molested as a kid by 2 cousins and an uncle. As an adult I wanted to somehow get revenge on those that hurt me.  But through therapy, meditation, and a higher power, I learned to forgive and let it go. It's in the past and living in the past can hold you back and make you miserable. Holding on to so much hate is not healthy. It can cause heart problems, blood pressure issues, anxiety, and depression. For the longest I tried to figure out why those abuses toward me happened. I was looking for reason in illogical occurrences. It took me a long time to understand that it's something that simply happened. There's no explanation other than those family members found someone they could do whatever they want to and exploited the situation.  It's as simple as older stronger people taking advantage of younger weaker people just because they can. I know divine revenge is not always the case. But those that abused me paid for their misdeeds. One of those cousins got testicular cancer and had to have 1 testicle removed. The other contracted an incurable STD and now can't get a girlfriend as a result. The uncle got colon cancer and now has a colostomy bag. I normally wouldn't wish any of this on anyone. Though, considering what those abusers did to me on multiple occasions, I'd say they got what they deserve. If they did that stuff to me as a kid, they likely did it to other people. So I have no sympathy for their situations. You act like an asshole, then your asshole gets cancer. You molest a child, then nature takes your testicle or you become a walking disease that no woman wants to get near. Abby too got what she deserved, she got caught by The Rattlers and was forced to be a slave. She lost a lot of weight as a slave so she was imprisoned for a long time. Then she was crucified and left for dead. Again, I wouldn't wish that on anyone usually. But Abby was pretty awful and got what she deserved. Killing Abby wouldn't have changed anything. But letting the pain of loss go will. I'm glad Elle learned to let the past go and can now move on to live life instead of reliving painful pasts.

Damn you're really brave to be like this that's admirable.

I am glad you have moved on. I would also like to add on the initial point you made about people in general. I don’t understand how a lot of people just can’t get over the cause of Joel’s death. People usually become more passive and forgiving as they grow older. I’d like to think Joel become a lot softer after living a more comfortable life in a community that takes care of one another along with Ellie. Even if we accept the fact that he can just mentally turn on the vigilant and ruthless side of him like in his younger days in an instant after all this time, people make mistakes. Even the smartest human beings on earth slip up every now and then and end up doing something stupid. It literally happens all the time. People no matter how capable they are always make mistakes.

@Aj Adler Thank you. I find that writing about trauma online helps. Even if no one ever sees it. It's cathartic, like getting something off your chest that's been weighing you down.

@Imtiyaz Ur rasool  Yes, I'm still surprised by how shocked ppl get when I boxer/MMA fighter that has a long winning streak finally gets beaten. A lot of sports fans are often mystified that they lost. But I know that anyone is capable of being defeated. Like you said, anyone, no matter how good they are, will make mistakes.

The worst part is the game didn’t even give Joel a grappling hook

We ask for just one thing, and we can’t even get that

At least Abby gave him a golf club.

@The Spanish Inquisition He couldn't use it though :(

I know right?

meanwhile Halo Infinite, the best game of all time, has a grappling hook. 10/10

After finishing it. God damn all those outraged reviewers were really having stupid takes. What a great journey this game is.

Nice video! The ominous music when you show Abby throwing the ball is hilarious to me.

I always thought it was kinda obvious why she spared abby, because she started having good memories of joel and him playing the guitar, then realized she's not gonna be able to connect with him that way anymore because of this revenge rampage and because of how much the hate had been controlling her that now she can't do what he teached her and that made her realize nothing good would come of killing abby, only bad things ever came from her trying so she just stopped and let her go, but idk maybe not maybe she just changed her mind

Rewatching this video....man, his analysis is so fantastic. He doesnt need a 4 hour review he iracs (law school speak) the shit out of this. Love the smack downs. So good.

You can never deny the fact its a masterpiece.

Bro you literally produce some of the BEST content on YouTube .

Actually, you start playing as the villain part way through the masterpiece of storytelling, Sonic Adventure 2. Checkmate, Dunktheists.

I was thinking exactly this lol

Also let's not forget about Hotline Miami 1+2.

Actually, Shadow, Rouge, and Eggman are the good guys because Sonic and crew steal Chao from their homes, enslave, beat and torture them, then make them compete in blood sports in Sonic Adventure 1. The story takes its most dramatic twist when Shadow and co. also realize it's more fun to do that than anything else in the game.

Actually, you play as the villian in every videogame because every hero is the villian from the villian’s perspective

@Debugger Bear Plus Shadow had every reason to kill all humans because his human girlfriend fell off the space station or something so now he has PTSD

It's 2022 and I just finished TLOU II. It's a shame, but I put it off for so long cause it was ruined from the beginning by the bandwagon. I hated the story at first, naturally because of what happened with Joel. But after the first few hours, I really started to enjoy it. At first, I hated playing as Abby, this monster, but by the end, I was practically begging Ellie to spare her. I never felt like it was a forced emotional thing, just a slow build-up of connection I wasn't even aware of until I was near the end. I don't think you can get the whole scope, even story-wise, without playing it yourself.

I remember playing through it and thinking her being on the farm with Dina was the end, I was happy with this, it felt like an ending. Then Tommy came back as a symbol of what waited for Ellie if she chose to continue her pursuit for revenge. I saw her leave Dina and the entire time I was just whispering to myself "no no no no" I wanted to scream at Ellie to tell her to turn around to go home that all she was doing was ruining her one chance at a happy life. Then we found Abby literally crucified, and I had to pause the game and take a breath from what I was seeing. A culmination of this warpath brought her to her enemy, defeated, having given up on living, subjected to one of the worst forms of death penalty in human record. And yet it wasn't enough for Ellie, her emotions were so detached and destroyed she was incapable of feeling empathy. I was relieved that Ellie didn't kill Abby, not for the sake of Abby, though that was a secondary thought, but mainly for the hope of redemption for Ellie. If she killed Abby she never would've been able to return to Wyoming, she would've been so thoroughly shucked from her emotions that she would've returned to a solitary life telling herself she could only rely on herself, but she was able to finally let it go and prove she is not controlled by the past. I loved this story. But honestly this is also where I want it to end, I don't think there should be another game to continue Ellie's story, I want another game but from someone else's perspective, maybe the baby that she was helping Dina raise. But I like this being the end of what we see from Ellie.

I just got it on the Black Friday sale and finished earlier this month. I already knew about Joel's death and the ending (vaguely) because of the original leaks and fiasco. I haven't been this engaged with a game since Elden Ring came out. Once I actually experienced the story, I totally understood it and felt it emotionally. Playing this on hard mode was an adrenaline pumping and strategic adventure. The original backlash was what made me come to terms with the right leaning political toxicity in gaming. The story isn't always pleasant and quite depressing, but it isn't SJW garbage.

"The quartering" or something like that made 70 videos about "terrible tlou 2 plot" and didn't even play the game ONCE. That's really the only thing you should know about these hate bandwagons, stay away from them because they are just cash grabs making money on your anger. Anger for a reason they made up on the spot.

I just finished the game a few days ago, I had the same experience with the ending

Same!! Just finished last week and I can't get the game out of my head! Incredible gameplay, graphics, world building, level design, and characters. By the time I got to Santa Barbara, I was exhausted just like Ellie. The final fight had me wincing, I just wanted them to stop! The game made me feel so many things!

They did teleport everywhere in the first Last of Us game too, like to Bill and from Bill's to Pittsburgh etc. The dumbest thing imo is how Ellie saved Joel when he fell on the piece of rebar, how did she lift him up? How did she keep him alive that whole time while finding a safe place for him? Never explained, even in the DLC they just skip over it.

Thank you! All the hate last of us 2 gets is wild. It's such a good game. I love how we get 2 perspectives

I enjoyed the game. But I do wonder if it might have been more impactful if you started playing as Abby in Seattle, trying to figure out who's killing all your friends. Then when you see that you were just shooting at Tommy, time jumps back and you start as Ellie. From there it just kicks your feelings in the teeth as you realize the character you've spent hours with and grown to like killed Joel brutally. There would need to be some slight rewriting storywise, but I think I would have been much more affected.

My only issues with the game honestly is just that playing as Abby would have been better if her character was a bit more consistent and if it was BEFORE Joel is killed then you play from the "Start" and go from there. The other thing is just wishing there was a bit more "Are you sure you want to go this route?" and actually give the choice to be the violence or to stop the cycle.

If Joel isn't killed before you play as Abby, there's no reasoning as to why you'd be suddenly playing as this other person. The story would feel incredibly disconnected for a long time.

Considering this video no longer has dislikes proves that dunkey was right the whole time

Was just thinking this... kind of crazy actually that this video has no dislikes. And I recently saw people have come around on his review of the game and removed their dislikes there as well

Everyone agreed to undislike and like the video at the same time!

Yup, why wouldn't you!

Pro gamer move

haha he cant get past my dislike extension tho! it has 219k likes and 19k dislikes

The response to the "sellout" comment is one of the greatest things I've ever heard on YouTube😂

I’ve never played this game before so just choose whatever dialogue option you like more. “Wow this game sucks!” Or “Wow this game is amazing!”

You can't have a biker wedding without the man promising to ride his old lady as much as his bike. That's a well established trope in all biker stories.

I imagine that killing off the beloved main character sparked emotions in people that actually changed how they played the game. Maybe they felt some of Ellie’s taste for revenge. I’d love to experience something like that.

I loved this game and I think that it had a really great story. It tells a great narrative showing the consequences of your actions.

Joel: *Dies* Ellie: you owe me a pizza

@Jewish Frog he just uses satire to point out how stupid some people can be, and he takes peoples actual criticisms seriously. But if you have a problem with a comedy YouTuber using comedy in his videos, I'll leave you to it

@how is this the dude deleted his comment. What did he say?

Asking pizza before the entire revenge plot begins makes sense Revenge is a dish best served cold, while pizza is best served hot

@how is this If he was right, why would he delete the comment? Keep coping.

​@David Paul I'm pretty sure How is this was telling the other dude what Jewish Frog said, did you not see the above replies?

ok, i know i’m late but i just finished this game for the first time and, tbh, i fucking loved it the story is outstanding and the fact that people hate it makes it better joel’s death is something so unexpected that everyone hated it because people can take the fact that a good story gotta have a good twist and in this game you gon’ find a lot of twists. at the and i felt guilty and horrified when i was stabbing abby in the last fight but that’s what makes this game fucking outstanding: all those feelings that you will experience playing it. i’m sorry for everyone but i loved it

This channel is the best mix of humor and actual insightful reviews and analysis. No bullshit intros, no constant reminder to like and subscribe, short and concise videos that are spot on and express more than most 20 min reviews. This channel really makes you feel like you are watching a niche channel that doesn't give a fuck and not a 7 million titan

While I think that part 1 is still better,I wouldn’t say that part 2 is a bad game but it all has to do with the story Part 1 validates the zombie apocalypse setting and it is a vital part of Joel and Ellie’s story Part 2’s story could be told from any other setting. Like it was a foot note like,”oh yeah, there’s also zombies.”

Dunky you are correct last of us part 2 is a masterpiece and I loved it all. I hope druckman continues to do amazing works and does not allow the ignorant fanbase affect his next game. Love naughty dog always will. No developer can do it better besides hideo

I think it's an interesting idea to have a character you play as and initially root for turn into someone you see ad the villain

"I self destructed my sponsorship with microsoft when I couldn't even pay my rent." I laughed so hard at this. I almost forgot about that video

What video was that?

@TheMortimusPrime he was supposed to do a sponsored video on Two Brothers. But he criticized the game and called it boring, so Microsoft refused to pay him the money they promised him.

@Brian Vaira Makes sense, if I PAY someone to promote my game and he completely thrashes it, I probably won't go forward with the deal...

@Player1 they came to him for it... they saw his platform and reach and thought it'd be good for business, they didn't know he'd be honest lol

@Player1 according to Dunkey, they didn't actually give him any guidelines, they just said do your thing. I get why they would be upset, but they still should have paid him the money that was promised to him. They're Microsoft, they should have been able to afford it.

I watched through this whole video and I can only say I completely agree. The wind waker is a beautiful game and will always be a masterpiece

My only problem part 2s ending is not the ending itself, but I wanted Ellie to be haunted by what she'd been doing on her quest to kill Abbey. She killed so many people in brutal ways, it would've been nice to see it getting her and that serving as foreshadowing that maybe she won't kill Abbey

Well that's a problem with 3rd person shooters in general. And that's a legit criticism. In RDR2 you can literally go on multiple killing sprees and still get the "good ending". In LOU2 you can stealth past MOST of the encounters and the only people you are forced to kill are in self defense. Now outside of the Gameplay, in the actual cutscenes(story) it does show Ellie being affected by her actions. When she killed/Tortured Nora and when she kills Mel and her baby. She was clearly haunted during and after her journey.

@Micheal93k yeah I watched a few more videos analyzing the game and I take back my point. Ellie letting Abbey go wasn't because she forgave Abby, her being haunted or nut wasn't important either. I saw it as her giving up and realizing how empty she felt and how killing Abby wouldn't get rid of that feeling. We saw Abby still being unhappy after killing Joel despite it being the one goal she wanted to achieve and it was only when she found people to take care of when she started to live again.

Game was a masterpiece

Newest comments are always a joy to read. Dunkey said it best, he shitted on beloved games for years but the moment he likes a game is the moment a massive amount of people shit on him.