Close Call between Marchetti and Embraer | "Not doing what I told him to do"

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2fight6
2fight6

I am not a pilot, just wondering is there any different between "left 90 degree turn" and "heading 090", looks like the pilot is doing "heading 090". Anyway I still don't understanding why he make a right turn without permission.

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Darryl Williams
Darryl Williams

Fuuuuuk that job. Not for me.

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Weasel Worm
Weasel Worm

Hi. Was there any action for that pilot after the flight? That seemed extremely irresponsible (non pilot here so please correct me if it wasn’t)

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Cazrl
Cazrl

"Traffic no factor" called by ATC means the traffic is no factor at this time. It doesn't mean the traffic isn't going to be a factor.

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Herk Derp
Herk Derp

that “see ya” at the end of that first conversation just pissed me off. That’s some bullshit right there

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FLY with Motivational Attire
FLY with Motivational Attire

wow!

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Dale Greer
Dale Greer

Right after that flippant "Okay" I would have expected "8YF stand by for a number to call." And no, there's no significant terrain for 3 miles to the left.

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A Student Pilot Life
A Student Pilot Life

KSBP Been here and land both in CFR and IFR.

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CapStar362
CapStar362

okay what the hell? not one but TWO CA's within 5 minutes, i hope the FAA reamed his rear end for that. If he didnt lose his cert for that, id be genuinely upset personally

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Jim Ratliff
Jim Ratliff

That pilot needs his license revoked. Ground guys like that.

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Andrea Baront
Andrea Baront

Wow I absolutely admire the calm controller . In other countries the guy would have been shot down with yellings and swearings 😅

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Tom Tom
Tom Tom

Another pilot who thinks he’s the only one on the frequency. Shocking radio skills from that cocky fool

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Peter Ryden
Peter Ryden

Two traffic alerts within 5 minutes AND to the same aircraft? ooff. Tough local session for the controller. Bet he was lying in bed that night cursing at himself for not giving 8YF a deviation. That pilot needs to be reprimanded for not following instructions, and then flying opposite direction into the approach path. Stupid flying, plain and simple.

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Harrison Gould
Harrison Gould

So scary...the controller almost puked on his console.

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Patrick Watson
Patrick Watson

Should have been given a phone number for pilot deviation. I cant understand how this keeps happening with incompetent pilots and the controllers dont hold them accountable.

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Russell Thorburn
Russell Thorburn

I'm surprised I didn't hear: "November 58 Yankee Foxtrot, I have a number for your to copy down. Say when ready."

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Justin Hink
Justin Hink

This controller need to control the situation a lot more. This pilot just walked all over him and led him down this path.

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Adam Moreira
Adam Moreira

That’s close enough to qualify as a near miss! That Marchetti pilot...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

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Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo Baggins

Typical of B movie directors. I live in Malibu and will do whatever I want!

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c200d45e95
c200d45e95

Controller could have said fly 060 or 070 until 8YF was sufficiently clear of "centerline" for ATC and runway ops, should not have been left to 8YF's discretion. But still, 8YF pilot could have been better.

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Airbus Express
Airbus Express

The dumbass piloting 58YF is Todd Robinson. From Wikipedia: "Robinson is an experienced pilot." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Robinson_(film_director)

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Ian Kenner
Ian Kenner

This is my home field and i see shit like this alot. Tower is very good at handling it although as we have alot of student pilots.

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SLO Goat
SLO Goat

The Marchetti pilot was clearly in a big hurry to get somewhere and didn't care if he endangered other pilots on the way out. 1) He asked for an early turnout, because he wanted to head southbound as quickly as possible. 2) He was departing at around 145-155 knots (aka cruise climb) versus the Marchetti's best rate of climb speed of 109 knots. If he climbed at best rate (approx 1700 fpm), he could have easily climbed above the inbound regional and avoided a conflict, but instead he wanted best forward speed because he was in a hurry. 3) His half hearted turn to "jump the centerline" as well as completely disobeying the urgent ATC instruction to "turn northbound immediately" (in violation of FAR § 91.123) is most likely again because he didn't want to detour from his straight line out of the area. Not only was this guy flying like a menace, he was completely unapologetic about it when called out by ATC about not crossing the centerline. At the very least, he needs some serious remedial pilot training.

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Tom B.
Tom B.

WTF was he doing? Playing Chicken in an airplane?

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Todd Robinson
Todd Robinson

To the aviation community, I care very deeply about: This incident was entirely my fault. I only recently learned of this conversation here, and as humbling as it is, I think it’s important to come clean and not hide-out. Clarifications: I was launched behind a 172 and was concerned about the spacing so I asked for an early turn to the downwind. Then I saw the Embraer turning right to left across my nose and I was concerned about wake turbulence — so I asked for a left 90-degree turn to cross the runway (centerline) and on the other side of the pattern and get out of his way. I became distracted looking over my right shoulder at the jet and stopped monitoring my heading and position relative to the airport -- never completing my 90-degree turn. I also managed to briefly engage the flip-flop on the cooly-hat on the stick for a few seconds which is why I missed the controller's calls. (Not an excuse, simply something that happened) When things go wrong during complexed portions of flight, near terrain, in proximity to other aircraft -- stupidity and sketchy outcomes are magnified -- which was true here. I debriefed all of this with my instructor have been doing zoom training and even revisited some of my old King tapes. As soon as this Covid situation improves, I'll be doing some duel. There are clearly lots of things I could have done better and I’m responding here because I believe my fellow pilots and people who were/or could have been affected deserve a response. -- including, but not limited to, the flight crew and passengers on the Embraer and the controllers in the tower. I’m a 4000 hour/30+ year pilot and comments here remind me that complacency is possible at any time. Humility is a must in flying, and there is no place for denial/defensiveness. (Which I was in the moment.) Like so many things in NTSB reports, this was the result of a series of decisions, mitigating factors, that led to a stressful situation. I’m grateful this had a nominal outcome but it warrants self-reflection and more recurrent training by me. I understand my fellow pilots being pissed about this. I have flown all over this country and have rarely met a pilot or controller who wasn’t friendly, courteous, and helpful, and I appreciate you. I have lost good friends in crashes, so I understand how serious the consequences of poor decision-making can be. To all of you here and elsewhere, I apologize for these moments of weak piloting and promise to continue training and to do better in the future. Sincerely, Todd Robinson

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Harry Hirschman
Harry Hirschman

If all pilots would be as open, honest, and transparent when we have our "night in the barrel" then aviation would take a big step forward.

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Dale Greer
Dale Greer

Thanks for this mea culpa, Dude. VASAviation should pin this at the top.

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Michael M.
Michael M.

This pilot deserves not one, not two but three numbers to call.

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Nerys Ghemor
Nerys Ghemor

Is that how many it takes to get you fired forever??

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davidpfol
davidpfol

what sense makes that, taking off in the exact opposite direction of an approach pattern???

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SkyHighLuke
SkyHighLuke

Another Marchetti driver...

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Crey 1721
Crey 1721

everyone is using “no factor” WAY too loosely. the pilot saying “he’s no factor” is weird. basically telling the controller “just trust me” on the other hand, the controller gave a traffic call for the inbound aircraft and ended the call with “he’s no factor”. well if he’s no factor why give the call in the first place lol

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Michael Diaz
Michael Diaz

ATC said he was a factor because he was a factor at the time. When he tells 63G that the Marchetti is no longer a factor, that is because by then, the Marchetti has passed and is now behind 63G and is heading away, so he's no longer a factor and 63G does not need to keep looking for him.

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xygomorphic44
xygomorphic44

These idiots are what give the FAA and the airlines ammo for wanting to ruin general aviation as we know it. If they get their way, ATC will be privatized, operated by airline associations and require astronomically expensive and tedious paperwork to use mixed airports like this one. We can never forget that flying is a privilege and if you abuse it, you lose it.

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Navy_flyer
Navy_flyer

It’s actually a pet peeve of mine whenever I hear a pilot say “no factor”. First of all, you can’t determine that. Second, it doesn’t matter whether he’s a factor or not. The geometry of the proximity requires an advisory call from ATC to you. The only two responses are: “negative contact”, or “traffic in sight”. Any other words are extraneous. All that aside, this is just another rich film director (look up the registration) with too much money and not enough skill or experience in a plane beyond his capability. He can’t even follow simple directions like turning left 90 degrees...

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Wm K
Wm K

N58YF - poor skills, dangerous, no sense of urgency. Unfortunately he will likely not learn from the experience and continue to fly as such. Some folks learn and change, many just make excuses and are non learners. Excusing his performance or blaming the controller almost guarantees a repeat of worse. On thing nearly certain, no repercussions and you can almost bet he will not change or improve. Sad!

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Daniel Goodson
Daniel Goodson

Goal every time I lift: not to fly in a manner that ends up as a object lesson on VASAviation.

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Nerys Ghemor
Nerys Ghemor

Or if, God forbid, you have to declare an emergency, you are a lesson in how to do it RIGHT.

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Pat Glass
Pat Glass

I may have encountered that Yankee Foxtrot or someone like him going into Oshkosh on opening day. Glad I had skylights in my C140.

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pesto12601
pesto12601

fyi: Todd Robinson -> lol.. according to his website, he is an "experienced aerobatic pilot".... ACROBATIC more like...

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tchevrier
tchevrier

2 close calls???? Holy crap!!! That guy should be sitting in front of the FAA explain himself

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Kevin Dawson
Kevin Dawson

I imagine he wouldn't be so cavalier about flying that close to other aircraft if one of them was a widebody jet creating wake. I imagine the Cessna and Embraer didn't even make him spill his cocktail.

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B D
B D

I would have a phone number ready for him

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L Hanger
L Hanger

The difference between "Turn left 90 degrees" vs "turn left onto heading 90"

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Butter001
Butter001

This dude thinks he is playing jihad simulator?

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Keaton Morell
Keaton Morell

I lived in SLO for awhile that airport is TINY lol

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djjoelb48
djjoelb48

you don't get a number to call for that? lol

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Snarky Wombat
Snarky Wombat

This whole situation seems odd to me. The pilot obviously deviated from instructions but ATC was vague with intentions and instructions too. This seems like a chain of errors from both parties.

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Louis Cifelli
Louis Cifelli

Why were they landing are taking off the same direction?

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Not the same direction

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mdb831
mdb831

I wonder if it was a 1019? Such a cool airplane for a dickbag to fly.

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elsunn
elsunn

I was today years old when I learned Marchetti is Italian for douche nozzle pilot

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solo lobo
solo lobo

Beautifully done Marchetti. Your solution could have worked if you weren't so hell bent on not complying with it.

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Grizzled Tee
Grizzled Tee

I fly out of SBP. This whole departure was way out of protocol from the get go with the early turnout as there is a noise abatement issue off the departure end that requests pilots not turn before 900' AGL. This set him up for hardly any crosswind leg and what barely accounts for the standard left downwind departure. He was close to the approach centerline the whole time and made it even worse with his slight "jog" in attempt to go north of centerline. NOBODY does that here because you're boxed in on the north side by a 2000' mountain that runs parallel to approach for Rwy 29 and extends east almost 10 miles, ultimately converging on the approach path albeit at a lower altitude at that distance.

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Will
Will

Rumor has it the guy is a hollywood director-writer. I don't care if he's a cook at IHOP. THat was wreckless.

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Cessna688
Cessna688

Anyone associated with Hollywood is a tool

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CoachCray Craig
CoachCray Craig

Anyone catch the missed hold short read back? Then the jump the centerline BS. Reminds me of the guy who just bought a boat from SNL.

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Mark Batarina
Mark Batarina

Bruh, just go north lol

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Jason Barker
Jason Barker

That california way of thinking. I'm better than you and you shall respect my being. Hopefully this pilot has his wings clipped...probably wont happen though

Vor 2 Monate
jrbdtx
jrbdtx

Pilot deviation.

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Nik Visch
Nik Visch

I've got a number for you to call.

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Brandon James
Brandon James

Marchetti trying to collide with everything out there. He never did the 90 deg turn to the left like he said, which would have actually resolved the conflict. But wtf does “jump the centerline mean?” Which side are jumping to? Dumb. Just do the 90 deg left turn and quit being cute.

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Wendy Lou Who
Wendy Lou Who

2 collision and he wasn't given a phone number?

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

Once the controller, gave 58YF, "frequency change approved", the pilot, changes frequencies, he is gone. The pilot continues his VFR flight. The controller, should have advised the inbound aircraft on initial contact, that he just had a Marchetti, depart outbound in the same general vicinity. Both aircraft are VFR, see and be seen. 58YF, has not committed any infraction, perhaps he had a visual on the inbound, we do not know. Let us be careful with the hangman's noose.

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Chloe Hennessey
Chloe Hennessey

In May of 2019 I was in a midair collision in a DHC-3. A DHC-2 hit us over an inlet in Southeast Alaska. You wouldn’t happen to have that ATC would you?

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

Ckout Blancolirio, I believe he did an analysis on that incident.

Vor 2 Monate
Adrie Biemans
Adrie Biemans

This entire situation looks odd, am I looking at RTIS/flight following/advisory service or an actual radar control service?

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Benjamin Lodi
Benjamin Lodi

@Adrie Biemans the issue is primarily that the Marchetti pilot stated several intentions that he then didn't follow through on (/didn't indicate he was bailing on them), and argued with the controller who was trying to clear up the problem that was causing.

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Adrie Biemans
Adrie Biemans

@Michael Hicks Thanks! I'm not sure how VFR really works as I only ever work IFR traffic, but am I right in assuming that the Marchetti is simply applying visual separation and that's all that's required here, separation wise? I would expect the Embraer to get traffic info on the Marchetti but that should be it right?

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Michael Hicks
Michael Hicks

San Luis Tower control. In class Delta

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Joe Campbell
Joe Campbell

Local control with radar.

Vor 2 Monate
asteverino
asteverino

Woof! Loved the graphics but like the call letters to stay on the screen, instead of going back and forth. Yes? If possible or practical.

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awk
awk

@VASAviation - Put it next to the callsign?

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Need altitude too

Vor 2 Monate
RCNordic
RCNordic

Only in NA :)

Vor 2 Monate
2dfx
2dfx

"I fly a Marchetti, I'm a giant douchebag and all I care about is ME."

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SLO Goat
SLO Goat

@Tar TarTar It happened on Dec 20, 2020. You'd have to listen to the tower frequency all the time to catch things like this. :)

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Tar TarTar
Tar TarTar

@SLO Goat Hey, when did this happen? that's my airport i did not know about this lol.

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SLO Goat
SLO Goat

He also did an overhead maneuver as his approach into KSBP (and it seems most other airports). Basically a showoff circling break because you can't manage your airspeed and altitude to do a normal straight in approach.

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James Harber
James Harber

@DasB00t . You apparently already know the difference between a man and a BMW: On a man the prick is on the outside. On a BMW the prick is on the inside. I’m pretty sure that this was originally proclaimed in Germany.

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DasB00t
DasB00t

Must also drive a BMW

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cam 624
cam 624

no phone number? thats surprising

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MarlonIsAwesome
MarlonIsAwesome

Looks pretty clear to me, it was a miscommunication. Marchetti turned to a HEADING of 90 degrees due east, controller expected a full left 90 degree turn from current track parallel to runway 29 (110-90) that would have put him on a 20 heading to the NNE and well clear o the inbound traffic. You can clearly see the Marchetti thought his instruction was fly a heading of 90 to get cross the extended rwy centerline and when he thought he did, he turned back on course, thinking he was clear of traffic which he clearly wasn't.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@soccerguy2433 - BS phraseology has no place in ATC comms. I also picked up on that long gap of silence, imagine the controller wondering, What is the "skip the line " procedure?

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soccerguy2433
soccerguy2433

no miscommunication. Marchetti said he wanted to "jump the centerline" meaning he wanted to go north of the centerline. With no response he clarifies his slang terminology with a "left 90" so he would be perpendicular with the extended centerline, "jump across" north, and therefore be out of the way of traffic that is south of him. He turned 90 but not for long enough or didn't account for drift, and had no SA on where he's actually at. At no time was it every construed as "fly a 090 heading".

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Marvin Chitwood
Marvin Chitwood

Marchetti , "Whatever "

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pigybak
pigybak

and nothing happens??

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marc arr
marc arr

I like how he tells 8YF to turn northbound immediately at 2:18 and a whole two minutes later he still hasnt and causes another CA.

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RW
RW

Marchetti pilot was an Ass....

Vor 2 Monate
dcviper985
dcviper985

No phone number? I am disappoint

Vor 2 Monate
B
B

N58YF never crossed the center line as he said he was going to do........weekend flyer......idiot.

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Kevin Payne
Kevin Payne

Edited 2-14-21 for accuracy I think the guy misread his gauges. He was likely reading the VOR as approaching rather then flying away. But I'm wondering why the ATC didn't give actual compass headings instead of vague turns. It's a dangerous practice being vague and unclear. He could have instructed "Turn left heading 360 to the offending aircraft before any of this started, get him clear of the traffic and then clear him direct to his next nav waypoint.

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Kevin Payne
Kevin Payne

@Ruben Villanueva , yes, you would be correct. That was what I intended to say.. but at the time I posted the first comment I just couldn't place my words. Thank you.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@Kevin Payne Yes, Kevin,you are referring to the TO-FROM, on the VOR,, but it is not called a transponder. The Transponder, equipment, is what sets up the code issued by ATC,, displayed on the ATC radar screen, and used to establish radar identification..

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Kevin Payne
Kevin Payne

@Ruben Villanueva , look up VOR navigation for the basics. There is a way using VOR to misinterpret the gauges depending on whether your approaching or flying away.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

How does one read the transponder? Are you aware of the function of a transponder?

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Jonathan Cantliff
Jonathan Cantliff

Two CA alerts for the same aircraft, wow the hell did his license?

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@Jonathan Cantliff - Jonathan, I concur, the first CA, was legit. A situation caused by both, the Controller and the Pilot. After, the controller instructed 58YF, to "Squawk VFR, frequency change approved", that is the end. 58YF, continues outbound VFR, under no ones control. The fact the second CA showed up, had nothing to do with any action performed by 58YF. It was simply two VFR aircraft passing each other. Both applying VFR rules, "See and Be Seen, and 500ft from each other. Yes, I read the other comments, but they were initiated by emotions or little knowledge of how things operate in an airport traffic area.

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Jonathan Cantliff
Jonathan Cantliff

@Ruben Villanueva im sorry, twice ATC had to warn other aircraft, and the radar showed CA twice. Also other comments pointing out the same. He is dangerous

Vor 2 Monate
Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

You are wanting to see, what you want to see, not what actually occurred.

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Self True
Self True

Marchetti pilot is a numbnut. Plain and simple.

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Rob Monkey
Rob Monkey

Well Mr. Robinson Todd, if indeed you are the pilot, you owe this controller an apology at least. And not a condescending one. Your power trip was on full display. OKAY???

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tublue32
tublue32

@Ruben Villanueva I would Say that the controller while he could of done a better job is not to blame here, He did tell Mr.Robinson to turn 90* and repeated back a 90* turn.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

Forget the apologies. This was both sloppy Controlling and sloppy piloting. Both parties contributed this error.

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Adam Scour
Adam Scour

He’s a Hollywood director. Sounded like he’s full of arrogance.

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Marie
Marie

63G was ok?

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Marie
Marie

"Ok" - What do you mean ok? Nothing about you being this close to another aircraft is "Ok".

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Phil Lee
Phil Lee

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde "to cause one CA might be regarded as unfortunate, to cause two sounds like carelessness!". Maybe the FAA should earnestly consider if this film director's airman's certificate is all that important.

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drfaustus72
drfaustus72

To cause a CA it takes 2 aircraft. Causing a CA is not in any sense prohibited or illegal. It's simply the technical description of a situation that occurs. If Oscar Wilde had said something about inadequately complying with ATC instructions....

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Dan
Dan

What happens after this? Surely just a phone call wouldnt suffice? And Youtube famous.

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lhvinny
lhvinny

I think the phraseology of "not approved" is a bad choice. Too much possible confusion if a word is lost for whatever reason. I think use of the word "denied" would be better, followed by instructions about what he should do instead. Am I off the mark here?

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lhvinny
lhvinny

@Ruben Villanueva I appreciate the compliment.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@lhvinny - It takes Integrity, to admit one is wrong. Kudos to you. We often listened to recordings many times over, for we can be fooled into hearing what we know should be said, but it was not.

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lhvinny
lhvinny

@Jeff Wyatt Turns out I was mistaken. The phrase was "turn out approved." I heard it as "not approved." My bad. Happens around 0:57.

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Jeff Wyatt
Jeff Wyatt

Was there a "not approved" in this recording? If there was, I would agree. In fact I initially thought the controller said not approved to the request to jump the center line but listening again he said "approved". Was it elsewhere you heard Not Approved?

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Peter Toth
Peter Toth

What complete and total lack of situational awareness from the Marchetti pilot! Oblivious to the amount of other traffic that he is effecting with him trudging along fat dumb and happy!

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MickAv8r
MickAv8r

It’s not lack of SA, it’s lack of courtesy, lack of respect for others and a ridiculous amount of self entitlement.

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Douglas Williamson
Douglas Williamson

Wow!

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Dylan Aksomitas
Dylan Aksomitas

After doing some quick digging the pilot /owner of the Marchetti is most likely film director Robinson Todd,

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Sean Thibodeault
Sean Thibodeault

@goukizx2 inexperienced pilot? Lol

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chrismy2k8
chrismy2k8

@goukizx2 just added the video as a source of information for said content.

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Capt_Rye
Capt_Rye

@Galda von Algerri In old english Todd means Fox. Good to know in German my name means Death :D

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Jeremy Truesdell
Jeremy Truesdell

@goukizx2 confirmed

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Clickster
Clickster

@Galda von Algerri Aren’t we all heading for that? 🤔 😃

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ConspiracyBear
ConspiracyBear

Todd Robinson is listed as a President with Wingspan, Inc. in Oregon. The address on file for this person is 6154 Via Escondido, Malibu, CA 90265 in Los Angeles County

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MrCrystalcranium
MrCrystalcranium

Woof...close one.  I understand the Marchetti was boxed in by high terrain on his left but it seems to me he got in a position somehow where he was swimming upstream against arriving traffic.  I don't know who's fault that is.

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elcidS15
elcidS15

It’s his fault.

Vor 2 Monate
hack1n8r
hack1n8r

The dude flying 8YF is a dangerous pilot and a moron (apologies, but no other appropriate descriptive word comes to mind). Major kudos to the controller -- he held his cool even though he was clearly annoyed at 8YF's pilot. To me, the pilot didn't follow the controller's instruction and should have tagged with a pilot deviation. After watching this a few times, it's clear to me that 8YF had intended a side-step maneuver, but he failed at communicating that intent (which would have been most likely denied), *and* he failed to execute his own intent when he failed to cross the centerline as he said he would. Additionally, he self-assessed the situation as "safe" when clearly it was not. Because of his incorrect assessment, he became dismissive of the controller's better vantage point, and failed to wait for the controller's further clearance and resumed his course without ATC's approval. Lastly, the pilot failed to respond to the controller when the other CA happened -- I find it hard to believe that 8YF's pilot stopped monitoring the ATC channel; as such, 8YF probably ignored the controller after the first CA. ALL of those factors together are what makes the 8YF pilot very unsafe (FAA, please suspend his license for an appropriate period). The controller smartly switched to the pilots of the other planes instead of trying to get the idiot pilot to comply. Hats off to the controller for a job well done!!

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Mike Doose
Mike Doose

@Airbus Express lol @ his film credits: “Close Call between Marchetti and Embraer...pilot of N58YF” was that you editing his Wikipedia page?

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Airbus Express
Airbus Express

The pilot is Todd Robinson. Former film director: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Robinson_(film_director)

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SLO Goat
SLO Goat

​@Henry Stache They can (and will) give you headings to fly and in accordance with AIM § 91.123(b) which states that all pilots flying in controlled airspace (such as Class D) must comply with all ATC instructions (unless its an emergency), regardless of whether the pilot is flying VFR or IFR. ATC instructions include headings, turns, altitude instructions and general directions.

Vor 2 Monate
T. Burns
T. Burns

Easy fix. It could be perceived as a violation of 14 CFR 91.13. At the minimum, a phone call should've happened to debrief the exchange and off proper feedback.

Vor 2 Monate
Henry Stache
Henry Stache

@FullThrottle In the US class D towers like this one cannot give actual radar assigned vectors. They can only be "suggested headings'

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Samira Sorchia Ireland
Samira Sorchia Ireland

That poor controller! He did a great job as did the other pilots. I’d be out for blood with that wanker! He must own the air!

Vor 2 Monate
Miles Lundgren
Miles Lundgren

@Ruben Villanueva Appreciate your perspective Ruben

Vor 2 Monate
Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@Miles Lundgren - Yes, that may be correct. But on this day, he painted himself into a corner. He definitely learned a lesson, without paying the ultimate price. All the best to him.

Vor 2 Monate
Miles Lundgren
Miles Lundgren

I fly out of KSBP and recognize the controller. He is a total pro

Vor 2 Monate
Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

No, Samira, not if you sat back and reviewed your actions as a controller. Start the review five minutes before 58YF and the Embraer come onto the stage. Controller had to know about the Embraer inbound from the NW, and the 58YF departure off Rwy 29, with a SE, downwind, routing. Restrictions and positive control instructions could have been applied to 58YF. The controller was not in "control" of this situation. He may have been perplexed, by 58YF downwind departure and the Embraer above and ahead on the downwind for Rwy 29. Lack of positive control added to complicate this simple scenario. ( When we review incidents/accidents tapes we often start 15 to 30 minutes before, to hear and mentally paint the scene).

Vor 2 Monate
Falcon
Falcon

Marchetti 58YF, You're everyone's problem, because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.

Vor 2 Monate
Gus Bailey
Gus Bailey

Welp. I guess 58YF is lucky he didn't have to copy a phone number.

Vor 2 Monate
elcidS15
elcidS15

@Falcon It means he has a lot of money and we plebs have different rules and standards to follow.

Vor 2 Monate
Aztec01
Aztec01

@Falcon :That's like the third time he posted his info. Technically not doxxing, but a pretty sh*tty move nonetheless.

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Falcon
Falcon

@ConspiracyBear What does that have to do anything?

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ConspiracyBear
ConspiracyBear

Todd Robinson is listed as a President with Wingspan, Inc. in Oregon. The address on file for this person is 6154 Via Escondido, Malibu, CA 90265 in Los Angeles County

Vor 2 Monate
Falcon
Falcon

For real. It's like passing a state trooper at 100mph and they do nothing but wag their finger at you.

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Moe
Moe

Marchetti pilot needs to go back to school and relearn the definition of 90 degrees

Vor 2 Monate
porshuh
porshuh

@Justin Hink I don't think anything was vague. "A little to the left" is vague. "Turn 10 degrees left" can be vague. Aircraft requesting "Give me a left 90-degree turn", with response "left 90-degree turn approved" is a complete course change that would put him headed almost perpendicular to the rwy, and completely no factor. Look at YF's course at 1:43 in the video, and draw anywhere close to 90* left of that. The pilot wasn't even close.

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Robin Marquardt
Robin Marquardt

90 degree vs heading 090 Should be quiet clear for the pilot. Also he might have turned 90° but turned on course again immediately, thinking he is north of final

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LaggerYT
LaggerYT

@Derek Herincx I think this just shows why headings are said 090° ("zero-nine-zero") instead of "ninety degrees". One is a direction, the other is degrees of turn.

Vor 2 Monate
jwnocar
jwnocar

@Peter Tarantelli that's definitely what it looks like from the radar track shown

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Justin Hink
Justin Hink

@Derek Herincx Everything was vague. No controlling was being done. Was he to stay on that heading after the turn? The controller needed to put this guy on a heading and cut him on course when he felt it was no factor not when the pilot did.

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Night Rider
Night Rider

I live in San Luis Obispo 😁

Vor 2 Monate
towert7
towert7

Dam Marchetti !

Vor 2 Monate
vyruss
vyruss

Marchetti just DGAF. This is what gets people killed

Vor 2 Monate
Skyven Razgriz
Skyven Razgriz

Pff he is not a factor, i will just barelroll out of the way. Meanwhile the other guy: come on man i am flying here!

Vor 2 Monate
gomphrena -beautiful flower-
gomphrena -beautiful flower-

TWICE?🙄

Vor 2 Monate
smartycummins2500
smartycummins2500

What an idiot. Clearly N58YF has no clue what he’s doing. I hate it that I have to share the skies with guys like that.

Vor 2 Monate
Tevildo
Tevildo

Big mistake by N2204J at 0:35 - "Ready for takeoff". The only time a pilot should say the word "takeoff" is when reading back a takeoff clearance - otherwise, it's "departure".

Vor 2 Monate
Beau Jangles
Beau Jangles

@Ruben Villanueva I hear it everyday and use it as a teaching example for my students on what not to do. Yes there is no regulation against it, but when a student accidentally says "ready for takeoff runway x" and mumbles it and ATC and the pilot on final both panic and think they said "cleared for takeoff runway x" it causes unnecessary confusion and ATC needs to waste time saying "negative N12345 hold short runway X you are not cleared for takeoff" and meanwhile the guy on final was already half way prepped for a go around on short final. Again, not regulatory, but neither is using a landing light. Just be courteous and use more specific language

Vor 2 Monate
Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@Mike Doose - Totally agree with you. Heard it used a zillion times and never a problem, seems the Microsoft Flying Circus is up in arms!

Vor 2 Monate
Phil Lee
Phil Lee

@Mike Doose I don't know where you are writing from but in the UK, it would be a cancelled skills test or proficiency check and repeat of the radio-telephony module of even a basic PPL if you did that even as a student, and although you might get away with it once qualified it would be challenged immediately by ATC at a controlled aerodrome or another pilot at an uncontrolled one. Of course, I know the US is very lax on using proper ICAO terminology, but the whole world knows why you never use the word except for readback of a takeoff clearance. It is always "departure" for any other situation. Of course, it may be one of the shitload of recommendations from the NTSB that the FAA have never bothered to act on. Maybe the FCC should be asked to instead, since they don't have conflicting aims.

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Tevildo
Tevildo

@Mike Doose IACO document 4444 para 12.2.4.10. See also FAA Order JO 7110.65W para 4-3-1. Reading back a takeoff clearance is the _only_ time a pilot should use the term.

Vor 2 Monate
Mike Doose
Mike Doose

This is straight up false. Pilots absolutely can use the word “takeoff”, and do all the time when repeating a takeoff clearance from ATC. Also there’s nothing wrong with saying “ready for takeoff” but the more appropriate verbiage would be “holding short runway 29 for a right crosswind departure to X” - show me where it says they should not.

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julian huertas
julian huertas

Close call between danny trejo aka machete

Vor 2 Monate
wjatube
wjatube

The title for this potential disastrous movie would've been "No Factor".

Vor 2 Monate
kasplatz
kasplatz

Sigh....fine....I guess I'll try to avoid a collision.

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2theSkysStudios
2theSkysStudios

Wait a second San Luis Obispo is my home airport

Vor 2 Monate
2theSkysStudios
2theSkysStudios

@MrCurry I think you’re talking about the Mid State Fair possibly in Paso Robles only thing I can think of in June

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MrCurry
MrCurry

Love the festival they have in that town around June time. I don’t remember what it’s called, but I went there once.

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Bob
Bob

Was the Marchetti not showing up on the Embraer’s TCAS?

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Bob
Bob

Oh i see, thanks

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2theSkysStudios
2theSkysStudios

Is doesn't have Mode S so the Embraer would only have a traffic alert

Vor 2 Monate

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