Avenger's Endgame: How to do a Save the World Story [ featuring Overly Sarcastic Productions! ]

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Overly Sarcastic Productions
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It was great to be here — So much fun working on this video with you! Do be sure to let us know if random animations of yours deteriorate into black and white line-art, it's a side-effect of inter-cartoon-dimensional travel that we haven't quite solved yet. -Blue & Red

Vor 2 years
The Katazsi Universe
The Katazsi Universe

There's a video by full fat videos that I think Red should watch about Thor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45a0oiDQP2M&ab_channel=FullFatVideos

Vor Monat
BlackBoy 27
BlackBoy 27

Hey, love your vids. Complete respect. But I would like to comment on your thoughts towards how Thor was handled in endgame. He is my favourite character as well. And I understand where your anger towards the Russo brothers is coming from, however I would like to add that: Thor throughout infinity war was putting on a fake confidence. When he was explaining his life story, and all the ones he lost, you can see the depression coming on, but the hope that he can still stop thanos is there, but as soon as that hope disappears, he is left with nothing. This is what caused Thor to become “fat Thor”. This wasn’t played off as a joke, but a sad character that we can all relate to. I hope this adds to the conversation

Vor 8 Monate
Max Welton536,329
Max Welton536,329

@Overly Satcastic Productions I recommend a video explaining why fat Thor works https://youtu.be/45a0oiDQP2M Just want you to understand others’ point of view

Vor 9 Monate
Genghis Galahad
Genghis Galahad

So the fictional quantum time travel is an actual study of timelines of separate realities of separate timelines but the same dimensions of spacetime. Interdimensional travel would be bizarre if you imagine like Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls or Cthulhu myth is or Hellboy or Doctor Strange and his foray into the "Dark Dimension" 🙂

Vor 9 Monate
Jeremiah's amvs
Jeremiah's amvs

Collab with these guys again their great

Vor year
Julie beakgaard
Julie beakgaard

17:34 Okay, which fellow Danganronpa fans dont belive in that anymore? (Or game of thrones fans, but i havn’t seen it so, yeah)

Vor 12 Stunden
Julie beakgaard
Julie beakgaard

Ohnestly one of the manny reasons i love the mcu, is because Their format means They get to have consekvenses. Things dont just haben and then go unnoticed. It even does this with things we didn’t Think about. Like, in “the falcon and the winter solder” it focuses on, how not everyone suffered in those five years of “the blip” and it also showed that when everyone came back, the government went all, “okay time to be a dick to the people who lived here the last five years.” Which, when you Think about stuff like immigration politics, it also makes it Seem uncomfortably realistic.

Vor 14 Stunden
Chris A
Chris A

These two movies were so rife with awful jokes, bad pacing, terrible pointless scenes and dialogue, that I'm a bit shocked to see you praising them.

Vor Tag
Roa Linderson
Roa Linderson

I have never found fat Thor that funny. Not because it was bad writing, but because I felt sorry for him and could relate...

Vor Monat
Chris Masaki
Chris Masaki

This was fantastic, the best Endgame analysis I’ve seen (and I’ve been watching a lot of them)

Vor Monat
Brett Caton
Brett Caton

I sort of enjoyed Endgame, but have hated it ever since. I feel it was a terrible movie with some good parts and rides on the previous movies for the value people attribute to it, rather than standing on its own merits.

Vor Monat
Shikamaru115
Shikamaru115

I actually think Thor's scenes in Endgame were the saddest ... by far. He was the one who lost the most and has actually been struggling for several movies now. At this point, he was completely broken down. He gave up. Went into severe depression (him laughing and smiling like that when we first see him is NOT happiness). Worst of all, when he gets the news that they might be able to undo what Thanos has done that is all great and all, but everything he lost was BEFORE the snap, so it won't help with any of his personal losses anyway.

Vor Monat
Jayden Liberty
Jayden Liberty

Another note on the Meta level of perceiving death: Everyone knew that the actor for Cap, Chris Evans, had his contract running out, and this would be his last movie as Captain America (unless they re-use footage or dialogue) So, literally everyone thought that Captain America, the paragon of heroism, would make the typical paragon choice of the “Ultimate Sacrifice.” So, for those who didn’t click that only one of the Avengers still had something left to lose (hi), Tony’s snap came as a surprise. And technically, Cap is gone now. But not in the way everyone expected. The only character with something left to lose lost himself to protect it. And the only character with nothing left in his past got back that which he had lost. It’s a happy-sad ending for both of them, and just like in life they’re equal and opposites in death; Captain more happy than sad because it’s more melancholy, and Tony more sad than happy because it’s a “but at what cost?” moment

Vor Monat
Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

I think you got the Tony- Thanos contrast wrong. Thanos is portrayed as quite intelligent- perhaps not the mechanic Tony is, but a powerful tactician and strategist. Their contrast is between the proud man who recognizes his faults when they are shoved in his face and the proud man who will not do so.

Vor Monat
OvenCake
OvenCake

How to make people care: Characters Emotions

Vor Monat
Moumita Eamani
Moumita Eamani

Two things I would argue are about Thor and Thanos. As I can see I'm not the only one who found Thor's arc to be realistic and I've already seen lots of other comments from people who feel the same as me. However, in terms of Thanos I think you have to remember that the Thanos in Infinity War and Endgame are not really the same person. The Thanos in Endgame is from the past, he hasn't yet gone on his journey of retrieving the stones and fighting the universe for it like he was in Infinity War. Instead he is a younger Thanos who sees that he has in fact one at the end of the day and now truly believes that he is inevitable. He thinks that regardless of what he does, the outcome will be his victory, because that was the future he saw. This is dramatically changes Thanos' reasons to fight the Avengers from Infinity War to Endgame. In Infinity War he just wants to make the universe the way he believes it should be and then Avengers are an obstacle he must face. But in Endgame the past Thanos sees the Avengers as weak people he was able to defeat in the future of a different timeline. So I don't think he was being inconsistent, we're just seeing two different Thanos' from two different times. The Endgame Thanos is from 5 years before the Infinity War Thanos.

Vor Monat
Will Donaldson
Will Donaldson

Great video! Fast too, had to watch at 75% speed.

Vor Monat
Federico Palacios
Federico Palacios

I like how he doesn't describe Natasha's character arc because... she doesn't have one. Age of Ultron and Endgame were the only movies that gave Black Widow an ounce of personality, the best thing the chracter did was dying, such a mediocre character despite what MCU fans want to convince themselves about her.

Vor Monat
Quill
Quill

rewatching this video, i realized that i think part of the reason natasha's death was so unsatisfying for me was that she didnt really have a character arc to wrap up. She had the beginnings of one in catws with her search for who she is when she's not hiding, but she never resolved that in any meaningful way. it felt less like she died at the end of her arc and mroe like clipping a loose plot thread the writers kept dropping throughout the movies

Vor 2 Monate
Ayoub Bouzgueni
Ayoub Bouzgueni

I think Thanos acted more evil in endgame because he didnt have to kill Gamora

Vor 2 Monate
Crab lord
Crab lord

Thor's "jokes"actually make his situation darker than just making him brood. He's holding back tears behind every joke he makes, and he talks shit to act tough when just under the melted ice cream surface he views himself as nothing more than a pathetic failure. He's purposedly regressed because he has never known what it means to truly lose. His absolute belief in his mastery of his own fate, as demonstrated in Infinity War, is the only thing that keeps him fighting despite all the loss and grief. And when Thanos shatters that belief, Thor was inevitably going to crumble.

Vor 2 Monate
Samuel Mukiri
Samuel Mukiri

Ah fuck! I just realised that scene in age of ultron with the whole infertility shtick was setting up Natasha and Baner sacrificing to birth half of the universe...

Vor 2 Monate
Timothy Griffith
Timothy Griffith

Red doesn't understand the story, thor out mental illness lol

Vor 2 Monate
Federico Palacios
Federico Palacios

Wouldn't be the first time Red completely misses the point of something. I only watched a few of their videos and Red just doesn't seem made for analysis.

Vor Monat
Eric Weng
Eric Weng

Wait, Tony didn’t lose Hope, Ant-Man did :P

Vor 2 Monate
DEYDRM X DEYDRP
DEYDRM X DEYDRP

I think you skipped black widow in the ending. She sacrificed her life for her family the avengers and kinda ended her arch

Vor 2 Monate
sini
sini

i think im the only person on earth that likes bruce and thor in endgame (in terms of prof. hulk being the resolution to an arc and fat thor existing)

Vor 2 Monate
Vicente Zavala
Vicente Zavala

Honestly, to me depressed fat thor from endgame makes more sense than idiot "my friends just died but i make jokes" thor from ragnarok, they're both idiots, but at least in endgame you kinda have a reason for it. Best thor is Infinity War thor

Vor 2 Monate
Victoria McCauley
Victoria McCauley

20:00 What about Nat? It's so frustrating that her death was treated as narratively so relatively minimal. It was a double-whammy gut punch since she was the only woman in the original six. The fact that we only get her stand-alone film now is a sign of how little the film execs wanted to do a marvel movie with a female lead. Marvel execs patted themselves on the back for all their female characters in End Game ("She's Not Alone"), but they haven't done the real leg work of writing female characters as the main drivers of their own stories. This is why WandaVision is such a big step forward.

Vor 2 Monate
Federico Palacios
Federico Palacios

People would care if Nat was actually a good character. She has barely any personality and her arc of wanting a family only got introduced as exposition in Age of Ultron, she's not an organic character.

Vor Monat
petrairene
petrairene

Honestly, if you want to do a GOOD save the world story, don't use a time travel cop-out. I found the plot of the movie totally unconvincing and unengaging. The emotional character stuff was the only thing that saved it for me.

Vor 2 Monate
Tristan Henderson
Tristan Henderson

I think Red is wrong with her assessment of Thor in Endgame. When Thor was seen laughing and making jokes while abandoning his people to live in a basement, that happens when you are depressed. There are people who laugh it off, who put on weight and abandon their responsibilities just so they feel better. The amount of joy I saw in Thor's face when he saw that he was worthy shone a massive spotlight out of the bleak reality he was living. Rhodes dismissing him by saying he had Cheese Wiz in his blood is a nod that there are those who do not recognize that someone is going through a tough time. Everyone else was stopping him because they knew at some level, he was suicidal. It wasn't until round two with Thanos and their inevitable victory did he start feeling better and recognize what he wants. Thor's journey was that of grief and how different people process it.

Vor 2 Monate
Doremi Fasolatido
Doremi Fasolatido

The thing about Fat Thor...and plenty of other seemingly insensitive portrayals of unpleasant concepts...is that life is unpleasant. You don't show someone's struggles with being overweight by giving them support and understanding. That is, in fact, exactly the opposite of showing them struggle. . Humans are cruel, stupid, and blind. There are a variety of reasons for it, but it really all boils down to neurology. Our brains aren't made to be kind...and certainly not to all. They're made to survive. There are contradictions in it for plenty of reasons, also, but overall our brains were made to be brutal...the same as existence itself. The only reason anything seems to have changed is because we cheat...we cheat like motherfuckers. Technology, civilization, language...we have an absurd assortment of incredible tools to cheat nature in amazing ways. Problem is, we're irresponsible AF with them. But that's a separate discussion. . In this case, nobody really gets what Thor is going through, because they only witnessed the part where he failed to justifiably kill Thanos, and the part where he just murders Thanos in cold blood. The others never saw what he went through in Ragnarok. They never saw what he went through in Infinity War to even get to the final battle. They don't understand, and they aren't the types who are equipped to help and support someone in that kind of fight. That's one of the reasons so many of them have such pronounced psychological problems. Who in the fuck is even slightly qualified to help ANY of them with what they've been through? No one...the answer is exactly NO ONE. There is no therapist on Earth who can help them, and none of them, at all, are anywhere near the right mindset to be able to help each other. So, Thor's downward spiral commenced, and they didn't get why. . That said, I do feel that somebody should've offered Thor an opportunity to at least voice his grievances so that they could know, and maybe therefore cut back on the quips. But I don't think it breaks anything to have missed it. The main reason for this, is because no matter what the other Avengers did...it had to be his mother who brought him back. . Yeah, I feel like maybe they took Fat Thor too far. But, not so much that it notably affects my overall enjoyment of the movie. Though, for the sake of full disclosure, much as I enjoyed Ragnarok, I've never really been a Thor fan at all.

Vor 2 Monate
Nikita Belyaev
Nikita Belyaev

On the topic of Thor (also my favorite) I would argue that he is played for laughs because that’s how this Thor is dealing with the trauma. In the scene we first see Thor he is in such denial about anything bothering him up until his failure is mentioned. And even then he still chooses to focus on beer. He has surrounded himself with enablers of bad coping mechanisms and as a king and a god he gets to do whatever he wants. Humor is his wall to keep himself as an indestructible mountain he is so used to being. The movie ends with him recognizing his mental trauma and giving up the responsibility of ruling. He knows that he was never a king but a warrior and now he gets to go find his own way

Vor 2 Monate
Amenadiel The Fallen
Amenadiel The Fallen

Thor: Ragnarok was the worse Thor movie of the trilogy. I like Thor just as much as anyone else. I hated what they did to Thor, among other things, making him Fat Thor in Endgame but to say that he had character development in Ragnarok is pushing it. Thor just lost his mother and up till Ragnarok, he believed that his brother was dead as well. That movie started with Thor making banter with Surtur instead of being serious about it. Thor isn't suppose to be outright funny. An occasional haha moment every now and then but not like in Ragnarok. Don't even get me started on Loki. He was great in the first two movies and in Avengers but now he's played for laughs. Loki, one of the few people who can outwit and actually be a serious threat to Thor and yet he get's taken down by Valkyrie. Yeah, character development my ass or should I say Hulk butt! That's a whole different rant in it of itself.

Vor 2 Monate
Tyler Church
Tyler Church

Look red, I love you. I love your channel. But, NO. HELL NO, you are wrong. Just plain wrong. Your opinion about Thor in this movie is wrong

Vor 2 Monate
A. Knight
A. Knight

'SHIELD goes poof' 🤣🤣🤣 Also I thought Thor's character could have been better. I understand that his change was very realistic and relatable , but I didn't like the fact that it seemed purely for comic relief. And I loved Nebula's role in this movie

Vor 3 Monate
jude anne *the candor channel*
jude anne *the candor channel*

15:32 "...First and foremost...a vindictive narcissist." Yup!

Vor 3 Monate
jude anne *the candor channel*
jude anne *the candor channel*

3:24 It's So true that viewers who actually care about stories are just as invested in internal character struggle as they are in plot twist, or more so. I'm not saying that being interested in plot is lowbrow, Neil Gaiman is interested in plot and he's a genius, I'm just saying that internal character struggle is *plenty* of drama... Btw--I Love this channel! I don't know about serious like Avatar, although I thought the Psychology of Azula video was brilliant without having to know anything about the series. I would love if you would continue to do more somewhat mainstream stuff, as I think this channel is just one of the best...! Calm and friendly narrator's voice, likable and relatable host, and really well-researched, incisive analysis; who could ask for more...?

Vor 3 Monate
jude anne *the candor channel*
jude anne *the candor channel*

2:27 I'm only this far in, but I can already tell this is a brilliant video! People who think comic book movies are silly have **not** seen Endgame. The elegaic first hour stands up to just about anything... "... doesn't get any more en medias res..." Exactly. Or quietly heartbreaking.

Vor 3 Monate
Gray Bradley
Gray Bradley

Not sure what the phrase means "Stop Psychopath Barney" would appreciate understanding the term

Vor 4 Monate
ʙʀᴇᴀᴅ in Moss
ʙʀᴇᴀᴅ in Moss

WHAT A CROSSOVER

Vor 4 Monate
LosMozi
LosMozi

I wanna give Red a hug, cause what she said about Thor is exactly how I feel about Thor in endgame.

Vor 5 Monate
dmitc01
dmitc01

Good video, still dislike infinity wars and end games though.

Vor 5 Monate
Nicolas Ruiz
Nicolas Ruiz

I didn't like the film tbh... "Hate alert!!!!" No, it's just me chill

Vor 5 Monate
Colonel Sanders
Colonel Sanders

Wow red is short

Vor 6 Monate
bananian
bananian

It's kind of like this pandemic. Millions dead and people still don't give a crap because it's not them who's dying.

Vor 6 Monate
Scrole Typer
Scrole Typer

while end game was a great movie on its own it was lack luster as the capstone to the mcu as they threw any idea for a plot away and shifted souly to character focus. Not a bad thing except when that focus is on characters no one cared about such as nebula and someone like thor is turned into a joke. espeacily the joke they made him. Like in the first thor movie we see him drink human bear and wisky as though its nothing and in this it gets him consistency please.and id go on for a bit more but I have class in like ten minutes so that's all for this comment. love the work tim keep it up. PS when is on writing and worldbuilding two coming out and when are they getting to audible?

Vor 6 Monate
Scrole Typer
Scrole Typer

unfortunately, infinity war lost all weight of the snap meaning anything because we all knew they would undo it. What they should've done was only kill a few characters that the audience would think they might bring back but are actually going to stay dead and then... not undo the snap. that would've not only shocked the audience but would've brought the consequences of that failure to prevent the snap to a new level of storytelling.

Vor 6 Monate
GreatWhite00000
GreatWhite00000

The path Thanos took to accomplish his goal transformed his personality, culminating with the lines "what did it cost?" - "Everything". When they went back on time, they brought the old sadistic bloodthirsty Thanos This is one thing I took from Thanos' transformation and have never seen someone say.

Vor 6 Monate
Illumino Pseudonymous
Illumino Pseudonymous

Endgame missed the line I most wanted: Checkmate

Vor 7 Monate
Illumino Pseudonymous
Illumino Pseudonymous

I also loved how the Soul Stone scene ended Natasha's character arc so well!

Vor 7 Monate
Cole Sellers
Cole Sellers

Cap was right. Change my mind

Vor 7 Monate
Sarah Abramova
Sarah Abramova

16:43 Stop Psychopath Barney Nice

Vor 7 Monate
Mark Parkinson
Mark Parkinson

I love the New Zealand accent when you are saying 'Peggy', as it sounds like "Piggy".

Vor 8 Monate
ilia katritch
ilia katritch

I thought the whole point of everyone joking about fat thor is how callous the team is, and how those jokes don't help him at all, just making him retreat further into his shell, while the people who treat him nicely get him moving forward. Korg treats him like a friend, respecting his space and his hurt, so thor lives with him. Hulk opens up to Thor about how Thor helped him with his emotional problems, so Thor decides to come with him, to try again, altho still cautious. His mom listens to him and loves him unconditionally, getting him to respect himself more, get back into the fight and take the chance of calling for ?jolnir. Tony, Rhodes, and Rocket, are all snarky assholes who cover up their own emotional difficulties with humor, which becomes cruel when Thor breaks down, but it's like they can't help themselves because they don't like themselves either. Every time they joke, there's this sense of, "this is wrong" which is brought to a head with rocket slapping him, which does nothing to stop his anxiety, while his mom talking to him gives him a great deal of strength. After that point, Thor is still fat, but emotionally he's ready to fight. I'm glad they kept his physique for the final fight, it shows how being fat did nothing to hurt his worth as a hero. The fact that they didnt make him magically ripped and he wasn't a comedic, woops I'm fat and clumsy fighter, but a tough warrior, shows that they respected Thor. I agree, the should he have one eye or two, is supposed to step up and lead his people or realize his destiny isn't to be king inconsistantcy is an issue. But as a big guy who's struggled with self-image issues in the past, I loved his arc in endgame, sorry Red.

Vor 8 Monate
Delta _
Delta _

Disliked just for the thor part

Vor 8 Monate
El Humphrey Simine
El Humphrey Simine

You forgot natasha

Vor 8 Monate
BlackBoy 27
BlackBoy 27

I have to disagree with the Thor analysis. I too love Thor, however... losing everything and everyone you love (in real life at least) makes you extremely depressed. Depressed to the point where you stop looking after yourself, and lose hope for the future. It’s a realistic take on depression, that a lot of people (including myself) liked. If Thor was alright at the start of endgame, and was wasn’t effected with the loss of everything he loved (as well as blaming himself for the death of trillions), he would have looked selfish and unsympathetic. They played it off as a joke, knowing that if they took it too far, it would have been too real for the audience to handle. It added a comedic element of the movie, whilst still making us sympathetic towards him. It was brilliant.

Vor 8 Monate
Mon trainer ash D
Mon trainer ash D

Gonna take you right into the *Danger Zone*

Vor 8 Monate
Jon Travis
Jon Travis

You called Jane, Padme. LOL

Vor 8 Monate
Jove Mokuryu
Jove Mokuryu

Thank you Red! My thoughts exactly!

Vor 9 Monate
Kenji Bacha
Kenji Bacha

17:45 As someone who recently finished watching LOK, This stings...Like a lot. :( Still, love the video, but ouch.

Vor 9 Monate
Noah McArthur
Noah McArthur

You know, that really makes a lot of sense. About how, "The fate of the world!" doesn't really do anything to creat tension in audience members. The thing is though, that I've always been really super interested in the idea of a story that does the fate of the world well. I had a dream once about the universe ending, and it gave me a feeling I hadn't had before. Idk, I just like thinking about it

Vor 9 Monate
Evandro Batista
Evandro Batista

In my opinion, Endgame is a movie about the most human trait there is: selfissness. There were a silver lining on the snap. The world, the nature, was rebuilding itself. What the heroes did, by undoing the snap, was acctually, to garantee that the world - and it's resources - would be doomed. The heroes were selfish, and Thanos was right (not in his motivations -- the refutations on Thomas Malthus proves it -- but in his words at the endbattle): The Avengers could not live, not in a world without their friends, but in a world that they failed, and where their fail would last as long as they live.

Vor 9 Monate
Evandro Batista
Evandro Batista

And for those about to hit me, please: I'm all about life. Thanos was the villain, there is no doubt about that. But looking through the narrative, through the script, by understanding his motivations and putting the Avengers motivations in a perspective, the heroes reasons to do what they did were not heroesque at all.

Vor 9 Monate
DemonDuck
DemonDuck

If SUPREME LEADER MISHGA got dusted then this could ALLLLL be skipped Cap: time travel gub save fwens Tony: BUT I HAVE A CUTE LEECH WHO DOSENT PAY RENT Cap: BUT SUPREME LEADER OVERLORD GODCAT LORD SUPERCAT FLYING MISHGA KITTY OVERLORD KING GOD GOT LE DOOOOST Tony: ohhhhh hey thanos Thanos: yup Tony: FUS RROOOOOHHHHHHHH DAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Vor 9 Monate
Honeypine
Honeypine

Ugh... I have a very fine-tuned ability to nit-pick, so... 10:50 Same actress, different universe.

Vor 9 Monate
Max Welton536,329
Max Welton536,329

“Everyone and everything for all time is at stake!”

Vor 9 Monate
theawesome
theawesome

Infinity War had one incredible moment for me when the credits rolled. Stakes? How about a little kid just screaming "But I don't WANT THEM TO BE DEEEEEAAD!!!!" from the back of the theater...lmao, THAT'S STAKES.

Vor 9 Monate
Erin
Erin

I feel the same about Thor as Red does. While severe loss and pressure can result in Thor's reaction, Thor has lost others before. That he abandons his earned responsibilities is not in line with his character. It spits in the face of who he was.

Vor 9 Monate
Sylver Blaze
Sylver Blaze

*Looks down at the comments* Yikes, this got a bit out of hand. While I do agree Red was overly harsh on Thor's character arc in the movie, I will admit the comments are being a bit too hostile towards her... Honestly, she's free to think what she wants on the matter. ...and personally, after all this time I just find Endgame really disappointing as a conclusion.

Vor 9 Monate
David
David

Love this! And while I do agree there was too much of Thor played for laughs, I think they also explore depression and PTSD very well, and give Thor...maybe not the exact same payoff as others, but his own kind of payoff. He's STILL worthy, still badass, and still fat- and I loved that. He self-actualizes, realizes that his grief does not have to destroy him, and that the weight of the world can be shared and not just belongs on his shoulders alone.

Vor 9 Monate
alec christiaen
alec christiaen

finally, someone gives Thanos a psych profile that I agree with. Red has earlier declared him to be inconsistent, which i can agree with when you take IW Thanos at face value. However, the big thing you need to keep in mind is that he doesn't want to save the universe, he wants to be the savior of the universe. He insists on his idea, regardless of what anyone says, because he's hell-bent on proving that it works. Also, when he comes to the present and goes completely bonkers, I'd like to think that it's the same as what happened with Cross in Ant-Man. The time travel works with the same basic principles as the Ant-Man suit, and thus using it without protection (the Avengers did wear it, Thanos didn't) would make you more irrational and violent (the exact effects aren't described, but based on how chaotic, violent and deranged cross was at the end of Ant-Man, I think it's pretty consistent).

Vor 9 Monate
Satya Venugopal
Satya Venugopal

Plenty of others have echoed my feelings about Thor, especially @Ryan Ratchford and @Solnai42. (Though I do agree with Red in that I could've done with fewer fat jokes; I think they somewhat - though, not totally - undercut the great stuff they were doing with Thor's character arc.) I just wanted to add to this by responding to Red re: Thor's Ragnarok arc and how Infinity War and Endgame continue it. I had a MAJOR problem with Ragnarok: Thor (and by extension, we the audience) didn't feel the truly horrific impact of all the deaths and destruction that happened in that movie, because of all Waititi's humour. As funny as it was, it took all the dramatic impact of what we saw away. Which is bonkers, because up to this point, these were the biggest gut-punches Thor had received in his life, on par with what happened to Frigga in Thor 2. (For all that movie's mistakes, it knew how to handle that death. The funeral scene was just sublime.) It's not until Infinity War and Endgame that we actually saw Thor having to deal with the cumulative emotional ramifications of everything that happened in Ragnarok, as well as the stuff Thanos piled on in Infinity War, and the aftermath of all that in Endgame. Waititi frankly left us with a half-baked character arc in Thor 3 (and an impactless movie over all, despite the heavy shit that went down in it), that annoys me to this day (despite my loving all that movie's other strengths). So I see Infinity War and Endgame as actually continuing and solidifying Thor's Ragnarok character arc, with one exception: Him passing the mantle of Ruler of Asgard to Valkyrie. I agree with her on that point, though I think, given how he responded in Infinity War and Endgame, this is a reasonable thing for them to do. PS: Thor (re)gaining the hammer(s) in Infinity War and Endgame doesn't undercut the "all the power is within you and you don't need external weapons, believe in yourself" arc in Ragnarok. In Infinity War it is called into question, because Thanos is just that much stronger than any previous threat Thor has faced, so it's only natural that he would regress a bit in that very hurt and vulnerable place he's in. But by Endgame, the hammer isn't his strength. His own inherent worthiness of character and his courage (despite his current depression) are his strengths. Mjolnir is just the external confirmation of that truth about his internal strength - i.e. the lesson from Ragnarok - that he forgot because of what happened in Infinity War. Mjolnir was just the reminder of the lesson from Ragnarok, rather than the source of his strength.

Vor 9 Monate
Gold Sulfur Titanium Nitrogen
Gold Sulfur Titanium Nitrogen

Then it drags on and we just want the scene to end

Vor 9 Monate
Gold Sulfur Titanium Nitrogen
Gold Sulfur Titanium Nitrogen

I was talking about the who dies for the the soul stone

Vor 9 Monate
Genghis Galahad
Genghis Galahad

I think a complete contextual analysis of endgame requires a viewing of events from Age of Ultron to team breaking Civil War to the defeat suffered in Infinity War that led to Endgame. There was no doubt in my mind as to to relationship of Clint and Natasha nor to that of Steve and Tony. They were all there for each other. Nor if Tony will save his daughter or not. Endgame is for me when the Avengers actually avenged. None of the sequences I believe ever played for simple jokes in themselves. The sequence of warning about traps I see actually a smart signal of foreshadowing. I do think this video needs a follow up debate and discussion for context. Rather than the inspiring analysis of say Lord of the Rings and Frodo and the Ring, there are a couple of blindspots and assumptions in the video essay that take points of discussion at face value without contexts inherent in decades or even comic runs of a particular event or even contexts of having watched the MCU. I think the breakdown of why seems limited to scene by scene for the purpose of a breakdown. It misses the totality of experience.

Vor 9 Monate
Genghis Galahad
Genghis Galahad

I would say a round table discussion would be more fitting since the part for example of Clint trusting Natasha was not even a question.

Vor 9 Monate
Genghis Galahad
Genghis Galahad

Oh I disagree about Thor a lot. Part of his arc I realize is self acceptance. As is, already having moments of a heroic physique and stature and status . I get that there is that physical element of attraction. But the point of "Fat Thor" and actually Thor himself in his totality is about self acceptance. Almost as if you've forgotten his arc in first film of becoming grounded and humble. And his arc in second film of trusting bin his power not as "the god of hammers" but the god of thunder! And self acceptance is the first step! Sorry you didn't get your sexy Thor but it's so damn critical to his personal growth.

Vor 9 Monate
Genghis Galahad
Genghis Galahad

Lost post: If anything to concede, perhaps Thor in the end scenes could maybe have cleaned up by say hefting the scattered kegs and used it as a chance to both clean up his mess and try to work out, or pull his dreadlocks back in a serious ponytail rather than a partying let-your-hair-loose fashion. But we see Thor gets no wrapped in a bow tie montage of going back to his intimidating physique at the end and still has himself as he is to deal with and to self-accept and to work on but as is is a start, when about to venture and traipse around with the Asgardians of the Galaxy and who knows what his arc will be and what he will face until it culminates in Thor Love and Thunder. Patience is key, no? Thor's ability to fight well in Endgame shows his willingness to step up onto his journey to self acceptance. And shows the depths of the loss he sustained and the guilt he must feel about it all. It's a long process.

Vor 9 Monate
Genghis Galahad
Genghis Galahad

My money is on the consequences, to borrow your phrase, OF the time travel ON future stories of the Avengers in the MCU.

Vor 9 Monate
Genghis Galahad
Genghis Galahad

I think a large part of the qualitiative genius of the MCU films is playing with the known stories in the comics and how the comics fires up the imagination and speculation of what's to come.

Vor 9 Monate
Shimmer Wolf Arts
Shimmer Wolf Arts

Honestly, I disagree with your opinion about Thor, Red. Yeah, his depression and how he's let himself go is played heavily for laughs, but most of the time, a lot of the characters don't take Thor seriously to begin with! He's constantly being made fun of by Midgardians and other characters in the other movies (being called Point Break, being treated like a lunatic/insane person in his first movie, even the Grandmaster teasing him and calling him Sparkles), so him being a target for people's bullying and jokes is nothing new. Thor feels like a complete and utter failure by the time Endgame takes place. Right after Ragnarok gives him the strength and confidence to maybe try to be leader (which he's turned down multiple times by that point, despite his birthright) and be a powerful being without his hammer, Infinity War slaps him in the face and starts out with half of his people wiped out by Thanos and he's powerless to stop it. That's why he's hellbent on getting a new weapon, since hey, fighting him without a weapon didn't work, let's see if getting a more powerful weapon than Mjolnir will do the trick! When that doesn't work, and he's slapped in the face with an even bigger burden to bear: the loss of half of all life in the universe, he's gonna feel like horse shit. So Endgame starts with him getting revenge on Thanos, but it's of no use since he still has to bear that burden of being the reason that half of all life in the universe is now gone. He falls into a depression, now has PTSD and panic attacks, and he hides behind alcohol, overeating & weight gain, and putting on a brave, happy, humor-belting face. SO MANY PEOPLE WITH DEPRESSION AND PTSD DO THIS. I did this in middle school! I hid behind humor and jokes and video games, when in reality, I was suffering. And YES people are going to play it up as a joke, cuz 1. So many people don't understand it and often downplay it as just being sad (depression) or overreacting (panic attacks), and 2. THOR WAS ALREADY MADE FUN OF IN THE OTHER MOVIES AND WASN'T TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY. So no, his depression and PTSD is not going to be taken seriously and he's gonna take a lot of heat before he's actually taken seriously. But this is what was genius about Thor in Endgame, too. His mental illnesses that developed from Infinity War and the other movies were majorly downplayed and played for laughs, but so many people who also struggle with these mental illnesses also get treated the exact same way. That's a great way to connect with audiences!! And Thor doesn't recover right away, either. He's still fat by the time they fight Thanos again. He isn't on his best game, clearly, but he's better than he was when you first see him again after that 5 year time skip. The biggest boom to his mood was finally being able to let out all the grief that he'd been bottling up to Frigga. She knew her son was in a bad place, and she got him to open up and finally let his feelings out. Next, he summoned Mjolnir, and realized that, even in that mental state, he was still worthy. I heavily related to these scenes, mainly because I did exactly what Thor did and bottled up my feelings, not letting them out until finally my parents confronted me about it and I felt like I could finally release all the hate and anger and sadness I'd been feeling for a year, and finally realizing that despite my own feelings about myself, I was still a person worthy of love and acceptance. But that didn't mean I recovered from my depression overnight. It took several months before I felt like myself again, and I needed to go on a journey of self-discovery, much like Thor. I didn't leave my home and go with some space-faring lackeys, but the idea is the same. He's not fully recovered and feels like he needs to do some self-discovery before he can feel up to doing anything with a heavy amount of responsibility, like ruling a people. I think that's why he put Valkyrie in charge, is because she does have a level head now, and that's way better for ruling a people than a depressed, recovering alcoholic.

Vor 9 Monate
Zach Abraham
Zach Abraham

Ok. So about Thor. I've read a lot of opinions in this comment section, and ultimately I agree with a lot of what was said, and I disagree with a lot of what was said. I think it was really important for them to portray Thor in this way. Though I myself do not have depression, based on the numerous comments I've read, I am convinced that this is exactly what it is like to deal with a disorder such as this. Him breaking down, gaining weight, turning to bad habits like alcoholism and shutting himself off from his loved ones was realistic and portrayed the realities of disorders like anxiety and depression. However, what pisses me off about Endgame is how everyone around him deals with his mental illness. The other members of the team either outright ignore it, implying that he should just suck it up and move on, or they make it the butt of a joke. Yes, comedy might be Thor's way of dealing with anxiety and depression, and there's nothing wrong with that, but why should everyone else have to partake in ridiculing him when he's already lost everything. It just doesn't make sense to me. Even his mother takes a jab at his weight before he leaves to NEVER SEE HER AGAIN. I love Thor. I love Thor in this movie. I hate the way he is treated. And I'm honestly entirely open to changing my opinion because I want to like this portrayal of Thor, especially if many individuals who suffer with depression and anxiety say that they enjoyed it. So please, try to convince me otherwise.

Vor 10 Monate
Zach Abraham
Zach Abraham

Ok. So about Thor. I've read a lot of opinions in this comment section, and ultimately I agree with a lot of what was said, and I disagree with a lot of what was said. I think it was really important for them to portray Thor in this way. Though I myself do not have depression, based on the numerous comments I've read, I am convinced that this is exactly what it is like to deal with a disorder such as this. Him breaking down, gaining weight, turning to bad habits like alcoholism and shutting himself off from his loved ones was realistic and portrayed the realities of disorders like anxiety and depression. However, what pisses me off about Endgame is how everyone around him deals with his mental illness. The other members of the team either outright ignore it, implying that he should just suck it up and move on, or they make it the butt of a joke. Yes, comedy might be Thor's way of dealing with anxiety and depression, and there's nothing wrong with that, but why should everyone else have to partake in ridiculing him when he's already lost everything. It just doesn't make sense to me. Even his mother takes a jab at his weight before he leaves to NEVER SEE HER AGAIN. I love Thor. I love Thor in this movie. I hate the way he is treated. And I'm honestly entirely open to changing my opinion because I want to like this portrayal of Thor, especially if many individuals who suffer with depression and anxiety say that they enjoyed it. So please, try to convince me otherwise.

Vor 10 Monate
EJ Rainbow
EJ Rainbow

I thought Infinity War was better than Endgame

Vor 10 Monate
Ryan Rahuba
Ryan Rahuba

I don't feel Thor's arc was entirely for laughs. Check out the CinemaWains channel for their review of Endgame. They give a pretty good take

Vor 10 Monate
The tall person with wings
The tall person with wings

can I say that I actually thought Thor's story in endgame gave me goosebumps? I haven't seen the movie in about a year now so I don't remember everything but here are a few things I thought interresting. he clearly changed yes, he got fat yes. but I don't think he was a "comic relief" character. 1ste, the fact that they showed how far he had changed, how far he had given up shows how dire the state is that he was in. 2de. he tried to hide his depression through jokes and through alcohol and more. The other characters know he isn't in a good spot, but they don't get how much (Which is why they roll their eyes when he tries to make jokes). it shows how much they are out of touch with him (or he with them, depends how you see it). 3de he is still Thor even when fat and he can still wield mjornier molrnier? Mjörnier? (someone tell me how to spell it please). It makes me think that he wasn't the comic relief character, yes you could get some laughs from him I guess, but they also show how much he changed but that he is still the god of thunder. Edit: I should say that I didn't find the jokes funny that Thor made, maybe this is why I didn't see it as "haha depression=funny" or something like that? maybe just a thought of mine. what do you people think?

Vor 10 Monate
Maffle Wan
Maffle Wan

10:48 I love this xd

Vor 10 Monate
J Mace
J Mace

I'm sorry, the movie you wanted them to emulate with Thor in Endgame is Thor Ragnarok?? He was completely delusional that entire movie. I definitely did not see Thor being obese in Endgame as humorous at all but sad. And he is only laughing to cover up the pain. Thor in Endgame shows a very believable response that real people have to grief.

Vor 10 Monate
J Mace
J Mace

Was really hoping you were going to talk about Thanos' Save the World Story in Infinity World.

Vor 10 Monate
Sonja Pond
Sonja Pond

Thank you for the Thor rant 😂

Vor 10 Monate
taofist
taofist

Re the complete "...are hilarious" rant re Thor...Awful things ARE hilarious! In fact...ONLY awful things are hilarious!!! Because, in the words of the late Hayes Gordon: "Comedy is just Tragedy with the barb pulled".

Vor 10 Monate
Nils Beckmann
Nils Beckmann

13:00 The time stone eye thingy looks like one of those spinach-feta-pouches. Especially the fork marks at the edge. Very nice design indeed

Vor 10 Monate
daniraptous
daniraptous

I saw Thor's responses as incredibly indicative of someone with severe mental challenges/illness/depression. If you haven't been there, it's easy to see someone who's "laughing" and a jokester as being funny, but was Robin Williams really laughing most of the time and being played for jokes, or was he seriously battling with mental illness? It's a little dumb to just think Thor's scenes were being "played for laughs" and thinking "fat people" are funny. Anyone who's gained weight from severe mental illness can tell you this. Yes, they USED some of this for laughs, but if you use your brain for .1 seconds, you can see the sad, poignant irony in their portrayal of Thor, and many with mental illness or with severe emotional disorders/depression, etc will think it's actually spot on (AND IT WAS!). Him beheading Thanos was kind of an easy way to see how broken he was. At the end, his desire to just off a more "wicked" and ruthless version of Thanos also showed that, not wanting to hear Thanos' name, his unwillingness to join them and not risk the lives of people again, etc. He's still not healed at the end of Endgame, either.

Vor 10 Monate
mzelk99
mzelk99

Cool

Vor 10 Monate
moradan81
moradan81

I'd like to share my view on the soul stone scene here. I did not like Infinity War's resolution because Thano's love for Gamorra was only explored during that movie and seemed a bit of Deus Ex Machina: created in this script for this script's sake. I also did not fully like the soul stone scene in End Game though for a different reason. Here Clint's and Nat's love for each other had had more than enough time to develope and not seem a convinient contraption, but they broke what I understand to be the rule behind that sacrifice. A rule that Thanos did not break. The sacrifice had to both show the will of the person to acquire the stone and had to mean a huge loss to that person. The person had to be faced with a huge loss and they had to willingly accept the trade. Here Clint does not willingly make the decission to sacrifice Nat to acquire the stone. Nat is the one doing the sacrifice and if anyone it should be her getting it (and being in no position to use it). Thinking back, although this would have meant a very dark path, I wish one of them had willingly killed the other. That would have contained both factors: the love we developed over many many movies, and the soul tearing scar that a person has to suffer to be worthy of the soul stone.

Vor 10 Monate
ZacktheZabarak
ZacktheZabarak

I felt the story worked best because all the characters in the film were ones we knew well/ cared about and even if the ones from the snap come back, several characters are still dead or die during endgame.

Vor 11 Monate
Delta
Delta

Red most definitely didn't actually watch Thor's scenes if that's her takeaway

Vor 11 Monate
Nope Nope
Nope Nope

Yeah, but Endgame is not a "save the world" story. Infinity War is one though.

Vor 11 Monate
erez kimalov
erez kimalov

leave piggy xD

Vor 11 Monate
Bolvar4dragon
Bolvar4dragon

On the Thanos part, I actually reeaaally like that basic viewpoint about him. It actually allows me to bridge the two versions of the character where I couldn't before, that he's self-righteous and calm while in control, but vengeful when irritated or threatened..... like, scarily reminded me of someone I know and butted heads with recently.. D: lol Also great point about how he is a perfect foil to the three. :O

Vor 11 Monate
Bolvar4dragon
Bolvar4dragon

I agree with a lot of these other comments defending Thor's arc. I would just add that I think Taika did some of the same, playing serious moments for laughs, with Thor and things that mattered to him. The way the destruction of Asgard is played as a joke at the end of Ragnarok stands out to me, off the top of my head. I thought the Russos did a really good job of carrying Ragnarok Thor forward into the tone of their films. I believe it's been said they had a lot of contact with Taika while figuring out Thor's arc (or at least where he was coming from). I think Hemsworth even had a lot of input as they started filming IW. I do agree with the point about Thor discovering his own power without need for the hammer and then immediately going off to get a new weapon though lol. Aside from that, I think the Thor that comes out of Ragnarok gets immediately crushed by what happens at the start of IW, and that certainly forces more change as all of his loss just piles on in an extremely short window of time, especially when you consider his lifespan (one that had relatively little loss up til now, to our knowledge). He lost his father, brother, hammer (part of his identity), best friend apparently, his home/planet, plenty of his people (including all of his other friends there, the Warriors Three (Sif tbd)), then half of the remainder, his mother a few years earlier, and there may be more to dissect there with his birthright and history (learning who his father was, for instance) and other such things. Most of that happened inside of a day, and he contextualizes that in IW when he tells Rocket he's 1500 years old. He believed himself invincible, then loses literally everything, then loses a fight against Thanos (which might actually be the first time he's lost a fight). I think at this point I'm just rambling as I think about this, because I know your point was more about how they played his breakdown and depression in Endgame, but outside of Rhodey's unnecessary "cheez whiz" jab, how they played Thor really worked for me. I thought the humor worked. It was there to mask the issue, and the mask came off every time it needed to, and it was played so well when it did imo. Hemsworth really brought it on both fronts. I think it led up to one of the most beautiful scenes in the film too, when he gets to talk to his mom again. I dunno, I think the themes surrounding Thor in the film were just handled really well - I really connected with him, perhaps more than in any other film he had been portrayed in. Anyway, ramble over! Thanks! I did appreciate the counter point of view though.

Vor 11 Monate
Γιώργος Δερμιτζάκης
Γιώργος Δερμιτζάκης

1:52 yeah rocket teleported to star wars universe to take it from padme...

Vor 11 Monate
Divine Goku Black
Divine Goku Black

I think you missed what they did with Thor. He lost everybody, and even in Infinity War, he says “what more can I lose?” He doesn’t realize if they fail, he loses not just some of the friends he’s made, but half the universe disappears. Yea it was funny seeing fat Thor but Jesus, you can see it on his face when Thanos is mentioned. He’s full of pain and hurt hearing the name of the man he failed to kill at the very last second. No one got as close as Thor did to killing Thanos. They had to rebound from Thor Ragnarok by giving him everything back, just to make little difference by the end of Infinity War. New eye, and new Hammer didn’t get the job done. He’s the strongest Avenger (shush about Hulk) yet he still failed. In Endgame he’s played for laughs but there’s always a pain in his eyes right after the laugh. It’s not until Thor sees his mother that he realizes “ok, no more fucking around, let’s get this job done.” No more laughs come from Thor, it’s now jabs from everyone else that bring the laughs, an example comes from Rhodey “Cheese wiz”. I get your point on Infinity War giving him everything back, however, that’s the point, at max level, he still failed, whereas, if he was at level 1, he’d lose and it wouldn’t be surprising.

Vor 11 Monate
Dizzi3Da DarkHorse
Dizzi3Da DarkHorse

The 1st time I saw the 'hail Hydra' moment I geeked I won't lie lol.

Vor year
Jeremiah's amvs
Jeremiah's amvs

This video is great and keep up the good work

Vor year
CrashSable
CrashSable

There are two things in particular from Endgame that I consider failures for the entire MCU as a whole. 1) The revelation at the end of the opening should have been the final climax of the entire film. That the entire film builds to the showdown with Thanos, everyone prepares for battle with a god and believes they can get everyone back and then... Thanos reveals he destroyed the stones, there is no chance to get anyone back and the audience just has to deal with it. Not only would this have been one of the ballsiest moves in film history, cementing respect for the MCU for decades, it would have also addressed one of the most often held complaints about it - that there are never any lasting consequences and the climax of every film just returns the world to the status quo. 2) Okay, so you're too cowardly to attempt the above. At least put a time travel aspect into Endgame that makes sense in-world. We already had it - Doctor Strange had the Time Stone. Just say he travelled forward in time before he got dusted to provide everyone with time travel shenanigans. Not only does this lean into the crazy nature of putting the Sorcerer Supreme into the MCU, giving fans what they want from him (instead of just making him a hand-wavy, bright light version of Ironman), but it also decidedly takes time travel possibilities out of the world for future movies. Only Doctor Strange can manage it, only with the Time Stone, but the Time Stone is gone by the end of the movie because Thanos had already destroyed it at the start. For the rest of the MCU everyone is going to moan about how there are no stakes in any film because time travel could have solved it now.

Vor year
Exar Kun
Exar Kun

Thor's arc in Endgame made sense it was his way of expressing his depression

Vor year
Slartibartfast Slartibartfast
Slartibartfast Slartibartfast

14:10 I kind of just wanted both of them to die. Loved the movie, but those two just never had any personality.

Vor year
bester Fan
bester Fan

Owen Twaites it has been 2 weeks now since you commented this. Have you already found out how wrong you are? Or do you still need help?

Vor year

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