American A321 has OPEN DOOR INDICATIONS out of LAX | Emergency Returns

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    American A321 performing flight from Los Angeles to Chicago was climbing through 8000 feet when the pilots reported a cargo door open indication and declared an emergency requesting vectors to burn some fuel and return to LAX.
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Ahmad The Aviation Lover
Ahmad The Aviation Lover

@Dj Ray helps a lot man! Thank you

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Dj Ray
Dj Ray

@Ahmad The Aviation Lover It is a way of saying 1500 feet. So 1.5 is 1500 ft. 2000ft. would be 2.0. Hope that helps.

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Ahmad The Aviation Lover
Ahmad The Aviation Lover

What does 1.1 mean and 1.6

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Star✈Aviation And Vlogs✈✈
Star✈Aviation And Vlogs✈✈

@C B September 17 2020

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C B
C B

Thanks for your amazing content...love your channel. Do you know what the date of this flight was?

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Josh Emerton
Josh Emerton

It would be nice if you could upload like a one off video explaining what all the markings mean - day 1 of ATC school kinda thing Edit: maybe along with brief explanations for some things. One thing that comes up a lot is 5 character codes (there's a couple in this video like DARRK and KLIPR, or turn left direct) - are they like pre programmed points on the map or ..?

Vor 2 Monate
Snoober
Snoober

he doesn't pronounce "9" as "Nine-er" which is the coolest part about being a pilot :O

Vor 2 Monate
Snoober
Snoober

@Josh Emerton ya you are supposed to afaik

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Josh Emerton
Josh Emerton

That's actually confusing to me, aren't they supposed to say niner?

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Richard A
Richard A

I'm always worried when I hear ATC is female...

Vor 3 Monate
gracelandone
gracelandone

As a lifelong civilian passenger, hearing the total professionalism in the aircraft and in the tower makes me realize how many aviators (that includes pilots, tower and ground personnel, maintenance of aircraft and radar systems) it takes to help a flight occur without incident, but how this world functions without regard to politics, gender preference, religious affiliation or racial profiling. Just human beings doing what they can to help other humans. Perhaps these lessons can be applied to other things we do?

Vor 3 Monate
Gooner 72
Gooner 72

Another great video mate, well done!! When all around them are losing their heads, pilots remain seated, remain focused and calm and return their aircraft and passengers safely to the ground. A lot of pilots earn a LOT of money but, in my opinion, they're worth every single penny.

Vor 3 Monate
Feriha Alkan
Feriha Alkan

I really wanna see a tv show about airports. I wanna see how controllers work, how emergency services train etc

Vor 3 Monate
brch2
brch2

I liked this one too... it's a bit older, but still interesting watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0nYEmrq1as

Vor 3 Monate
brch2
brch2

@Feriha Alkan Welcome. Same channel, inside the control tower at DuPage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPDnkuOjWc Basically, subscribe and see what vids this channel has first, then search other things you want to see.

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Feriha Alkan
Feriha Alkan

@brch2 thank you ! 😄 I guess it's time to get some snacks and watch some videos 😂

Vor 3 Monate
brch2
brch2

You can see most of that in various Youtube vids. Here's a good one that tells a lot about how the TRACON (approach/departure controllers) works (from Chicago TRACON, one of the busiest in the US). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7zwzOpG5v4

Vor 3 Monate
CMDRFandragon
CMDRFandragon

Door Ajar warning? Ummm, so pull off on the side of the sky and get out and close it =D

Vor 3 Monate
Drewselum
Drewselum

I hit the "dont reccomend channel" for every channel I see that is similar to this one. Vas Aviation gang for life lol

Vor 3 Monate
esathegreat
esathegreat

"Darrk departure" who comes up with this stuff

Vor 3 Monate
CMDRFandragon
CMDRFandragon

They should make a waypoint called CRASH!

Vor 3 Monate
TheRotorhound
TheRotorhound

Great response by all. Pilot declared emergency right away. Didn’t fly 100 miles over the ocean ignoring warning light like some recent videos have shown. Professional ATC response. Everyone did good.

Vor 3 Monate
Jose Saldana
Jose Saldana

Is only the audio??

Vor 3 Monate
Jan Witts
Jan Witts

I wonder if there were any rabbits in the cargo hold

Vor 3 Monate
beieber4life
beieber4life

U can find this incident flight on FR24 as well

Vor 3 Monate
Jack Sweeney
Jack Sweeney

For anyone wondering this was Sep.17 2020 N122NN

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Tony MacDonald
Tony MacDonald

Man that guy talks slooooooooow

Vor 3 Monate
Jay Dubbau
Jay Dubbau

If that door wasn't secured properly... there's a couple ramp agents getting the boot today lol

Vor 3 Monate
Stephen Miller
Stephen Miller

Or at least a drug test. Lol

Vor 3 Monate
AaronShenghao
AaronShenghao

Controller: Expedite Dencent. Air China (puts hands up): Wee...

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Arttu Mahlakaarto
Arttu Mahlakaarto

😆

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Bob Dobbs
Bob Dobbs

Everyone's audio is clearer and easier to understand than what I'm used to.

Vor 3 Monate
TravelwithFlavio
TravelwithFlavio

Bcause they're not at JFK 😂

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lockergr
lockergr

I was listening and thinking the exact same thing. ATC is especially clear and well enunciated.

Vor 3 Monate
Greg
Greg

For good and bad, I think @vasaviation and his YouTube brethren might be causing US controllers to up their games a little bit.

Vor 3 Monate
Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

Seems like a bit of an overreaction to me. It's clearly a sensor fault (they say it's coming on and off) and the door is fine. It's a pretty common problem and usually caused by a build-up of dirt/debris in the sensor stopping contact from being made. Minute pressure changes move the door enough to trip the ECAM caution. The aircraft is clearly still pressurised, otherwise it would be pretty obvious on the recording and they'd declare that as the problem, rather than a door issue. The Airbus door procedure SENSIBLY has the line "No crew action required as long as cabin pressure is normal". They'd check the cabin pressure, if it's normal, resume flight to destination and get the engineer to give the contacts a polish on arrival (10 second job). The doors on airliners are 'plug type', which means when the aircraft is pressurised (which it appears to be here), the door cannot come open as there is more pressure on the inside than on the outside. That is the case even if the handle were now WIDE open.

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Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

​@Falcon So you're saying that a pilot could never criticise another pilot? If they do that makes them a cowboy loon? Again, what is your background? You're quick to judge but provide no credentials of your own. How long have you been flying the A320? If you did, you'd have see how this sort of error appears fairly often. I said, most will see this precise caution once every 1-2 years. You weren't the captain of this aircraft either so how do you know from your armchair that he is the new Sulley of the skies? You don't. I am ONCE again, not saying he was wrong, just that perhaps there was a different way of dealing with the issue and the manual TELLS you it isn't an issue without a pressurisation problem. I can't see why you'd gloss over that bit. The manual actually tells you to do nothing! You are more than welcome to look me up on linked in. Better yet, have a look at avherald.com and search cargo door open indications.

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Falcon
Falcon

@brch2 Exactly!

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brch2
brch2

You know why pilots "overreact" in some cases? Because of other cases where pilots didn't react properly, and planes crashed and killed people.

Vor 3 Monate
Falcon
Falcon

@Miles Harrison I doubt you're an A320 pilot (flight sims and enthusiast research don't count), but it doesn't even matter. YOU were not the captain of this plane and thus did not know all the details of this specific incident and what data they were looking at. So it's a fruitless exercise to talk in hypotheticals. No, I wasn't there either, but I'm not the one criticizing the pilot (or however you're trying to spin it). And if you read MY comments, I already addressed the pressurization issue and said that there could potentially be an issue with the door that is not currently causing a pressurization issue but could later on in the flight. Therefore the pilot chose to play it safe and return to the airport instead of potentially become a statistic. For anyone to criticize this decision in the least (especially another pilot, regardless of what they fly) reveals a lack of proper safety consciousness. I've said my piece and so have you, so we're done here.

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Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

@Falcon What are your credentials? How have you formed your opinion on the matter? I am just trying to give a perspective from another A320 captain that PERHAPS there was a different way to deal with with what is apparently a minor sensor issue. I'm not analyizing it, just stating facts from the manual and sharing my experience. Read my earlier posts. I explain how if there is no pressurisation issue, there is frankly no need to be alarmed. From this recording, I can hear no mention of pressurisation problems so it probably isn't an issue. I've seen this glitch a number of times, probably once ever year or 2. Nothing to do with poor maintanance, just reality and that is why Airbus put that line in the procedure. For example, if you had an engine failure warning, you will obviously initially take it very seriously, but you'd cross check the other instruments and look for other information to confirm your diagnosis. If everything is else is behaving perfectly normally (an obvious sensor glitch), you wouldn't start shutting it down and firing the fire extinguishers (destroying the engine) just to be on the safe side. The reality is the Airbus is a very complicated machine that relies on a lot of sensors, sensors that are stupid. So that is why we have guidance material available to help us confirm whether or not the aircraft is telling us lies.

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Samira Sorchia Ireland
Samira Sorchia Ireland

Again, brilliant video and job well done by all! Always nice to hear good endings! I was just imagining the runway clear crew saying ‘we’ve got four laptops, numerous handbags with contents all along runway. It’s going to be a while!’ 😂

Vor 3 Monate
Batara Dharma
Batara Dharma

What does “except maintain 15000” mean?

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Ray Gale
Ray Gale

The paths they are flying all have something similar to a strip map, (Jeppson charts?) these charts show way points, and standard altitudes for each section of the approach or departure path. It sounds like the controller was giving them a path to follow, but with a changed altitude for that section, probably due to other traffic crossing the path.

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David Welvaart
David Welvaart

The SID that they are flying is probably giving the pilots a higher altitude so i guess atc is giving them an altitude restriction for the time being

Vor 3 Monate
fencerpts
fencerpts

That pilot would make me feel calm about anything with his delivery.

Vor 3 Monate
MedicRN16
MedicRN16

As a non-pilot, how do you miss a cargo door? Wouldn't it tell you before takeoff? My car has a door/trunk open indicator...?

Vor 3 Monate
Bob Dobbs
Bob Dobbs

@Bas That makes sense.

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Bas
Bas

If the sensor is just picking up closed and when climbing the pressure diff pushes the door a bit open?

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Ian Power, composer
Ian Power, composer

Careful dumping fuel on your way into LAX there... schoolkids didn't like it last time

Vor 3 Monate
Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

@Theno No A320 series can dump fuel afaik. Most airlines allow landings above max landing weight in emergencies. Also, a flight from LAX>ORD (1,700nm) with VERY few PAX onboard (due to Covid) probably won't be that overweight and possibly not overweight at all.

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CMDRFandragon
CMDRFandragon

@Dean Tait Doesnt hurt anyone if they do it from high enough up. It just burns up in the atmosphere and nothing comes of it.

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Theno
Theno

@Chris Holt It depend on the model. Just as Boeing and other manufacturer some Airbus aircrafts can't dump fuel, but others can.

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Chris Holt
Chris Holt

I don't believe Airbus aircraft can dump fuel, they have to burn it off. I'm not a pilot, so take that for what it's worth :)

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Chris Hayes
Chris Hayes

The ISS is actually not as high as one mine think. It's only at about 260 miles, so ~FL13700

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Rick Hornsby
Rick Hornsby

the departure controller smoothly managing all that traffic and transitioning AA2431 from outbound to inbound emergency without missing a beat. It’s both impressive and reassuring - that _if_ something goes sideways - cool as a cucumber folks like her are on it.

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bldn10
bldn10

I can't imagine doing that for an entire shift; they make good money but by no means too much.

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thereissomecoolstuff
thereissomecoolstuff

She is awesome. I was really impressed. This ATC today and the ATC on Citation max out of white plains rolled them out. Handled the traffic like a boss.

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Sean Ring
Sean Ring

The Airbus Cargo doors are way advanced and can be confusing. Hope someone pulled the lever down after closing it on the belly.

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ysfsim
ysfsim

Its actually simple to operate. Its another thing that its a powered hydraulic door that opens outward and has an obvious latch to push closed when finished using the close switch. The 737 has a simple cargo door that opens inside the plane manually. You won't have a door warning like this as the 737 door opens inside it seals when pressurized.

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Joe rodriguez
Joe rodriguez

awesome gameplay friend 👍👍

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DJ EAS-MC
DJ EAS-MC

Nice job mate

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Nacho Soto
Nacho Soto

Funny how many check in with the wrong clearance. They’re all climbing via except maintain 5000.

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Joe Rowley
Joe Rowley

It's a great lesson seeing how readily they declared the emergency. I see so many of these videos where the pilot says "engine out, but we're all good. No emergency". I can only hope that I've learned the lesson and that I'm not shy about declaring someday when it happens to me.

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M Dynasty
M Dynasty

There’s no need to declare emergency on a single engine failure unless your unable to maintain altitude, all present A/C are able to operate with a single engine this includes take of and landing and usually have built in logic to correct for the imbalance by automatically applying rudder and increasing the output of the working engines. But I would’ve called an emergency on Airbus, those planes are all logic based meaning it could lead to a bigger issue if you don’t land fast

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Joe Rowley
Joe Rowley

@Cha Brah That's true, but I have never heard anyone tell a pilot that they really shouldn't have declared that emergency. But I have seen plenty of these incidents where part of the analysis was "if they had only declared the emergency...." or at least admitted that the issue was abnormal.

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Cha Brah
Cha Brah

Pan Pan would of been more appropriate

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MrGigaHurtz
MrGigaHurtz

Pilot sounds like Bill Lumbergh. Mmmm yeah we're going to have to declare an emergency now okayyy. If you could get us back to LAX that'd be greeeaat. Thanks Peter!

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Urban Weekend Warrior
Urban Weekend Warrior

yeahhh.. i'm gonna go ahead and need those DELAY vectors, thaaaaaanks.

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Teelo
Teelo

He was speaking rather slowly, I wonder if the ATC was annoyed that he kept tying up the channel?

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C B
C B

@Jonathan Nelson I have a red "milton" style stapler on my desk because i love that movie sooo much

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Jonathan Nelson
Jonathan Nelson

@C B That was a really entertaining movie! When I was working for Amazon, one of my co-workers told me about it, so I hunted it down, and then everytime I saw him I said 'You know, one of these days I'm going to burn this place down!' It was lots of fun!

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C B
C B

love office space...you are spot on!

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Sights and Sounds
Sights and Sounds

Wouldn't it make more sense to confirm whether the door was open and continue if it was closed? It sounds like a passenger flight. Should be easy to confirm. Any indications of depressurization? I guess maybe the manual indicated an emergency return was required, but if not...

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Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

@atzuras An open cargo door indication is a Master Caution, not a Master Warning. Whilst it sounds like I am being pedantic, it is a caution for a very good reason. It is almost always a false alarm and just a sensor issue.

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Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

@Tom Hejda How could you determine if a landing gear was locked from a flyby? All that might determine is it seems down. Would be a brave tower controller to say "it all looks fine, don't worry about it". Regardless of what they see, it isn't going to change what the flight crew and emergency services will do. They will assume it isn't locked and plan/perform/respond to an emergency landing with an unsafe gear indication.

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Tom Hejda
Tom Hejda

@Sights and Sounds Once you do consider a fly-by, meaning descending to couple hundred feet over the field, you and simply decide to land. Fly-bys are good when you're not sure it's safe to land (e.g. due to gears not green).

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ysfsim
ysfsim

@rotcmaverick i guess each airline has its own sops

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atzuras
atzuras

A cargo door can be closed but not properly latched. That's why you put some sensors and warnings in there, without clamping devices then door can detach and cause serious damage. You do not just ignore Master Warnings, they are there for a reason.

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Perry B
Perry B

Wow I very rarely this early to VASAviation, which an issue as there is a lack of hundreds or thousands of good comments, for this 14th

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Markus
Markus

Imagine being onboard that air China flight, that was quite the descent from 5000 through 4000

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SomeRandomGuy
SomeRandomGuy

YEAH AHUH YEAH

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ysfsim
ysfsim

@almach its is a cargo flight, B77L

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almach
almach

I think it sounded like they said Air China Freight--it's probably a cargo flight, so no passengers

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someBUDDY
someBUDDY

Was it just a wrong indication or was the door actually open?

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Ray Gale
Ray Gale

@Ruben Villanueva I have total respect for the investigators who dig through bits of broken aircraft to piece together a chain of failure events.

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Ruben Villanueva
Ruben Villanueva

@Ray Gale - Ray, if you have the time and are interested, Get a hold of a book,titled, "Destination Disaster", about the Turkish DC-10 that went down near Paris, due to an unlocked rear cargo door. It gives in great detail a comparison between the DC-10 and L-1011 cargo door latches. Great investigative writing.

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Chris mckeithen
Chris mckeithen

I’ll provide greater insight as I breakride these type of aircraft and doors are on the checklist. On the ECAM memo page there are numerous indicators that display. If the crew chooses “door” they can see what doors on the entire plane are open or closed. I’m quite sure before departure all green was indicated. They got airborne and started getting the ECAM messages. They ran the proper checklists to see if it was just a computer error or something else. They determined it was something else so they declared an emergency and returned back to LAX.

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Jamari Myers
Jamari Myers

@Ray Gale yes either that or as someone mentioned earlier a possible sensor malfunction

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Ray Gale
Ray Gale

@Jamari Myers Ah okay, so the door is fully closed but the latching mechanism hasn't fully traveled to the engaged position. Sounds like a sensible move from the captain to come back and get it checked.

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Black Dog
Black Dog

Dude... I remember years ago when you had just over 1.4K subs. It's been awesome watching this channel grow. Thanks for all you effort!

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VASAviation -
VASAviation -

Thanks for the support!

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phbuss
phbuss

Expedite descent! Awesome stuff 🤤

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FreakingChrisi
FreakingChrisi

Imagine all the luggage flies out of the Cargo area😂

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Justin Smith
Justin Smith

@Jamari Myers When I was working ramp we had one station where you could consistently guess the nets would not be up or up properly if they even tried, any flight from that station was a shock if the nets were up and up correctly. I get hubs are busier but really doesn't take that long to put them up properly. I have also worked in hubs so I know what hub life is like too...

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Khue Yang
Khue Yang

@ysfsim Yeah, when I used to work at a field. We sometimes see nets not up, or only half secured. I once saw a bed not secured(web) at all and thier contents was all over the front belly.

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Jamari Myers
Jamari Myers

@ysfsim if the ground crew put the net up all the way. I've cursed crews from other stations plenty of times for not putting it up properly lol

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ysfsim
ysfsim

It won't fly out that easy. There are nets in front of the doors on the inside

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Sean Ring
Sean Ring

or cargo

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Garrett B. - Gtmkm98
Garrett B. - Gtmkm98

You really don't need another Turkish 981 incident. Very close call on the plane's part; one wrong move with that door and you would either lose your cargo or cause an explosive depression. From that point, you might either lose all of your controls like Turkish 981 and plunge into god-knows-where or be lucky like American 96 and be able to land the thing. Regardless, it is not a good situation, tons of lives on the line with an explosive decompression.

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Harald Lorentzen
Harald Lorentzen

To be fair, this might be an false positive. This can happen if a cargo door sensor is malfunctioning, wich is more that likely the case here as it was a propblem that came and went.

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Kelsey Dunlevy
Kelsey Dunlevy

I could listen to 2431's voice narrate anything all day long...

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Richard A
Richard A

They all sound like idiots, hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha 🤣🤣🤣

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Toucan Sam
Toucan Sam

@Greg thanks bud.

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Greg
Greg

@Toucan Sam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiykgJKxMPY People are calling her the next Kennedy Steve...

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Toucan Sam
Toucan Sam

@Greg which Baltimore controller? That's my area. Can you cite a specific video please?

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Margaret Mathis
Margaret Mathis

He sounded like an AA pilot we flew with a few years ago.

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Chadwick Hawk
Chadwick Hawk

ATC was excellent. Not too fast. Clear. Calm. Excellent.

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Siya Aviation
Siya Aviation

@Richard A ?

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Richard A
Richard A

Hahaha 😆

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Dean Brown
Dean Brown

Some dogs got out the open cargo door. The ramp worker who didn't latch the door properly had to sing "who let the dogs out? who? who?" 1000 times as punishment.

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Jonathan Nelson
Jonathan Nelson

@Mark Hinton No that would be Barney or Elmo, or even worse A small world!

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Mark Hinton
Mark Hinton

Nah, that's cruel and unusual punishment. 😁😁😁🤣😆🤣

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Neerav Trivedi
Neerav Trivedi

Put that on YouTube! 😂😂😂

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D3rAm1
D3rAm1

I imagine this alert to be similar to my car's.

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Joseph Dale
Joseph Dale

It’s actually not that much different. I master caution. Just one chime with a few yellow lights and an ecam message.

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Luco Zade
Luco Zade

@D3rAm1 💯

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D3rAm1
D3rAm1

@Jack russell this sounds like a sensible thing to do while driving.

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Jack russell
Jack russell

Nope, not mine. I would just plug the code reader in and erase it and keep going

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