American A320 has MULTIPLE HYDRAULIC FAILURES | Emergency Return

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    American A320 from Syracuse to Charlotte was climbing through 10000' when the pilots reported a hydraulic issue and requested to return back to Syracuse.
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Thanks to Pablo for sharing his simulation. More HYDRAULIC ISSUES videos: -- United has HYDRAULIC ISSUE + BLOWN TIRES | Newark Shutdown! https://youtu.be/eI9TUpQlJJA -- United B757 has HYDRAULIC ISSUES (No Flaps, No Steering) https://youtu.be/Po-X5dGva3k -- Flexjet Phenom 300 has HYDRAULIC FAILURE | Diverts to Atlanta for Longer Runway https://youtu.be/R6jO0hp2Aq4 -- American B738 w/ DEFLATED TIRES + HYDRAULIC LEAK at Miami! https://youtu.be/c3UpkNMFqmg

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Aspryin
Aspryin

the silence is because of the way SYR frequencies are rotated with the live ATC recordings. sometimes you are listening to approach and sometimes tower.

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Ben
Ben

Losing Hydrolics is way more scary than losing engines. Imagine if the Hydrolics had been lost further into the flight away from the airport. He couldn't even turn the nose wheel after landing

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NWA320DRVR
NWA320DRVR

A quick and easy wag for fuel remaining in time is to drop the last 2 digits of the remaining fuel in pounds (15,300). The result is 153 minutes of fuel remaining. At least that's what I use on the 319/320/321. The 321 is more efficient, but still close enough.

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Dieter Müller
Dieter Müller

Capatin Washington, best wishes for your future ⭐❤

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Tistoy Kim
Tistoy Kim

what a professional guys! great job

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O E
O E

Came here after watching the video for recent Colorado flight

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scott jaz
scott jaz

All these planes are getting too old.

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Yellow Dog Adventures
Yellow Dog Adventures

we have a plane with a multiple hydraulic failure emergency and these guys are chatting up the UPS Capt. on his retirement? GMAFB

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Leon Kernan
Leon Kernan

Just for your information, we randomised all the runways after you took off. Good luck!

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Tommy Chan
Tommy Chan

it doesn't look like an A320 but more like an A319 to me lol

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Speedster14 5
Speedster14 5

Why wouldn’t they have new airport maps?

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Speedster14 5
Speedster14 5

The retire captain what destatnation was that to?

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jake conger
jake conger

I was plane spotting this day at KSYR my home airport and I had no clue what happened thank you for this information

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Speedster14 5
Speedster14 5

Was there no Panpan or mayday call?

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Erin McLaughlin
Erin McLaughlin

I worked at this airport for a number of years at the ARFF. During the winter, there seemed to be a higher incidence of hydraulic failures especially after protracted cold weather.

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mattie
mattie

Well the bankrupt airlines gotta cut costs somewhere

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Hunter
Hunter

Please can we get the recording from this incident!? Just got the news update in my area, near Denver center. https://kdvr.com/news/local/metal-falls-from-sky-in-broomfield-reports-of-plane-with-engine-trouble/

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L Clarke
L Clarke

Memo to Maintenance Personnel: Double-check that hydraulic lines are tightened adequately next time.

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Walking dog
Walking dog

Any cause released?

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sam s
sam s

The American 530 pilot and the SYR ATC are speaking so clearly. I wish all American pilots and ATC spoke like this. Half of the time I struggle to understand them without captions.

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ChloeLouiseeB
ChloeLouiseeB

Do you mean the clarity of their diction or the clarity of the radio calls? The radio calls are clearest on these videos when the aircraft is in the air but other factors are now far the receiver is from the airport/plane etc. Theses are recorded by someone nearby running a receiver & server, a lot of audio quality is lost and even more so when the aircraft is on the ground as the signal is interrupted more.

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Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

Why are ATC always so desperate to get a fuel remaining figure? The crew have to now work this number out! Obviously not that it's hard, but with >3hrs remaining, figuring this out and the ensuing back and fourth of conveying it to ATC surely seems like a bit of a waste of time in a 2 pilot operation? If they say 10hrs, are they going to stand down the fire brigade? If they say 10 mins are they going to call the President? There must be 100 runways with an ILS inside of 30 mins of Syracuse. I'm sure one of them will be ok. Also any American A320 pilots can answer this one: Is flying 500nm with 3hrs of fuel on board typical for such a short flight? The weather on the 23rd of October in Charlotte looked absolutely fine, and it's got FOUR runways. Unless the next hop is just a couple of hundred miles, it doesn't seem like enough to tanker. In Europe on such a day, in the A320 I'd probably take route, alternate, reserve and at most an extra 10 mins to a normal destination with just 1 runway. I've found over the last year (due to covid) that I've not held once as every airport is (sadly) dead This would have likely been the TAF they'd seen that morning: KCLT 230749Z 2308/2412 11005KT P6SM FEW070 SCT200 FM231000 VRB02KT P6SM BKN040 TEMPO 2310/2314 6SM BR BKN250 FM231400 07003KT P6SM BKN050 FM231900 15004KT P6SM SCT050 BKN150 FM240200 VRB02KT P6SM FEW090 SCT200= Looks alright to me? Obvious trolling aside, good job well done!

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Martin Theiss
Martin Theiss

@kuebbisch There are times when operators decide say in a situation where a plane is scheduled to return to Lisbon to try to not buy fuel in the Azores due to pricing issues but ordinarily they want to set their tankering policies on the assumption that one would be more than happy to fuel aircraft at any venue they are scheduled to go to for their next segment without fear or thought of stranding.

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Thomas Mortimore
Thomas Mortimore

I think in the US it’s 45 mins for final reserve fuel

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kuebbisch
kuebbisch

Regarding tankering: Fuel price difference or a really fast turnaround on a remote stand?

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Miles Harrison
Miles Harrison

@Martin Theiss But what would they do differently as result of passing that information? Dangerous material is an entirely different issue and clearly, there is a tangible value in communicating that sort of information in the expectation of a crash. I just can't see what the fire crew would do differently if they only said they had 1T of fuel vs 100T onboard (not an A320 in my hypothetical before someone points that out). Would they bring less water/foam/tenders to the runway? After declaring an emergency, they will turn the entire airport rescue fleet out whilst maintaining the minimum declared fire category to keep the airport open. Otherwise; they'll attend maximally and force the airport to declare 'closed'. That sort of thing would probably only happen in the event of a major accident (eg Asiana SFO crash or similar). I assume Syracuse/Charlotte is a CAT 10 airport (or the US equivalent). Excuse any European differences. I'm ex-RFFS and a current A320 captain if that illuminates my thought process better.

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Martin Theiss
Martin Theiss

to inform the fire crew exactly what the risk is of a fire on the ground and how much fuel would be reported if there was a leak or a similar issue on landing. They also want a count of the live people on the crew and passenger reports for rescue planning. Also, its important to note if appropriate if there are any hazardous or dangerous materials on board for safety planning. "Command" is fully trained to take all of that into consideration.

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s2v8377
s2v8377

Another dependable Useless Airways POS Scarebus!!! I'm glad AA has all those 737s parked.

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Thomas Mortimore
Thomas Mortimore

I suggest you read the pinned comment and realise that Boeing are also susceptible to hydraulic failures

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Jay Will
Jay Will

Anyone heard any ATC audio from AF1/AF2 after Jan 20, 2021? Just curious

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RationalPragmatist
RationalPragmatist

Great stuff - thanks much.

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Jeremy Phelps
Jeremy Phelps

Aww man, that UPS Cpt got his retirement attention snatched. What are the odds on that?

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Lisa Nadine Baker
Lisa Nadine Baker

And hopefully water canons on arrival.

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Steven Payne
Steven Payne

He’ll probably hear something from every controller on to the destination since the controllers communicate with each other off radio as they pass aircraft between each other’s airspace.

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HighFlyingAviation
HighFlyingAviation

My grandpa was flying then his flight had a flap problem he was going to Santa Ana but had to divert to lax the flight was AS1220

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A320 CAT3DUAL
A320 CAT3DUAL

A FLY-BY-WIRE A320...but you still have the blue hydraulic system. JUST LIKE THE MIRACLE ON THE HUDSON..except at least they've got to turning and burning. DEPLOY THE RAT!!!

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wbball15
wbball15

Bien hecho

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Alireza Alivandivafa
Alireza Alivandivafa

Isn't that illustration an A319?

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HighFlyingAviation
HighFlyingAviation

It’s better than nothing

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aussiebloke609
aussiebloke609

I wish the initial report from the aircraft of having a problem wasn't trimmed. It would help with continuity if the first thing we hear wasn't that they're cleared for the approach, without explanation as to why they're returning.

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aussiebloke609
aussiebloke609

@VASAviation - Bummer. :-(

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44R0Ndin
44R0Ndin

Hmm, with the incident aircraft being returned to normal service only 48 hours later, it must have been a relatively simple problem like a easily accessible hydraulic hose bursting or it simply having run out of fluid somehow, be interesting to know more about what exactly broke on this aircraft that caused this, be that something on the aircraft itself or a lack of proper maintenance with regards to checking the hydraulic fluid level on each of the mostly independent hydraulic systems of the aircraft.

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Tricia K
Tricia K

Yup - a follow-on would be great!

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scose
scose

interesting that they seem to have some radio quality issues but the liveATC recording is flawless. Why might this happen?

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Working Guy
Working Guy

@records26 Oh wow - I didn't realize that. I always thought LiveATC was fed by public records, and that (for reasons I didn't understand) the airwave recordings were seemingly immediately available to the public. It all makes a little more sense now.

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records26
records26

LiveATC is all collected by volunteers with antennas on the ground. They could have been positioned partway between the aircraft and controller to hear them both clearly, while the distance between aircraft and controller was far enough to cause them interference.

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FoolioBeardy
FoolioBeardy

That logo overlay over the simulation was super slick!

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Tricia K
Tricia K

I noticed that - and it looked great, really professional!

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blackhawks81H
blackhawks81H

Can we talk about the guy trying to have his damn retirement, while this chucklefuck has to come through with the emergency and piss in his cornflakes . Lol

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gomphrena -beautiful flower-
gomphrena -beautiful flower-

Congratulations, retiring UPS Captain! Sorry for your troubles, American Captain! And everyone got to go on safely.

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pigybak
pigybak

that AA pilot was so cool and calm.

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Lawrence Westby
Lawrence Westby

The satellite map views still show the 45 degree taxiways off runway 10/28 but the latest FAA map from Jan. 2021 has the new 90 degree configuration.

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R L T
R L T

@Dovahseod You can with proper hand signals.

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Dovahseod
Dovahseod

The Jeppesen map updated 30 Oct 2020 effective 5 Nov 2020 already shows that only 90 degree turns are available for Rwy 10/28. Unless you use Twy M, which is probably not allowed for turnoff.

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R L T
R L T

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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MSRT&A Productions
MSRT&A Productions

Title: Says A320 Game: Shows A319(S)

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Kerucut Gaming
Kerucut Gaming

It is called a SIMULATOR! Nah, I'm just kidding, hahaha.

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Trimmed Bologna
Trimmed Bologna

A common rookie mistake smh

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Thomas Mortimore
Thomas Mortimore

Multiple hydraulic failures. Does that mean more than 1 hydraulic system failed or a single hydraulic system loss caused multiple failures of systems that rely on that systems hydraulic pressure? Given the aircraft is 21 years old the NWS would be powered by the green system. If the green system failed that means the gear would have been manually lowered too

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Tricia K
Tricia K

@Thomas Mortimore Ahhh, I see now - thanks! It was so helpful in fact, that I've now subscribed to their channel!🤗

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Tricia K
Tricia K

@Thomas Mortimore Thanks so much for the kind recommendation- I'll be checking it out later today! :)

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Thomas Mortimore
Thomas Mortimore

@Tricia K you’d have to understand how the hydraulic system of the aircraft works. Look up “Captain Joe hydraulics” and that might explain a bit better if you want

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Tricia K
Tricia K

...and I didn't understand a word of what you guys just said! Which is my bad, not yours... :) [edit: I got NWS = nose wheel steering, but...😳]

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ahmed alawadhi
ahmed alawadhi

@Thomas Mortimore oh.. didnt know it was an old aircraft! my bad.. thanks for clarifying. :D

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Platterskill
Platterskill

N8439Z, I fly that plane. Neat to see it on the radar.

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Platterskill
Platterskill

@Konrad Thurston fancy seeing you here

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Konrad Thurston
Konrad Thurston

Super neat dude!

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Space JAGA
Space JAGA

Pilot communicating was very professional. Enjoyed listening (idc how creepy it sounds :))

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Jason Dhonau
Jason Dhonau

Only creepy if you say it’s creepy

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Falcon
Falcon

Why couldn't the pilots just use differential thrust to "steer" the plane off the runway?

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Thomas Mortimore
Thomas Mortimore

@Falcon you just said it yourself. “They’d have to be towed anyway”. So why not just get a tow in the first place. I’m glad I don’t have to hear from you again because you have no clue what you’re talking about. I have actually got in a simulator and tried it and it doesn’t work, other pilots have tried to tell you it’s not a good idea. But your massive ego thinks you know better than people who are more qualified than you. Why don’t you get in a simulator and try it? Because you’re not a pilot? Oh well whose fault is that then?

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Falcon
Falcon

@Thomas Mortimore Take a deep breath, Thomas. No need for swearing and carrying on now. No one's forcing you at gunpoint to reply to me if you think I'm such an idiot, are they? Just move on. I would 100% trust an airline pilot to be able to maneuver the plane as I described. They'd be completely incompetent pilots if they lost control at such slow speeds. And I'm sure they'd ease into it and abort immediately if they saw it wasn't going to work. They'd have to be towed either way, so no harm, no foul. Comparing a car to an A320? Wow, you really just discredited yourself IF I had even put any stock in your claim to expertise, which I didn't. Did it ever occur to you that the A320 has one pivot point in the front and jet engines spaced far left/right and aft of that pivot point? smh... I'm done with this conversation. *muted

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Thomas Mortimore
Thomas Mortimore

@Falcon OMFG are you really just so arrogant and your ego won’t let you admit you don’t know what you are talking about. Anything is possible in your mind but if you actually stopped to think about it then it has flaws and this has so many. You are just focusing on one thing and thinking it’s a good idea without actually thinking properly about it. Has it ever occurred to you if it was possible, safe and legal then that is what these pilots would have done in the first place? Tell me honestly would you rather the pilot got a tug to pull the aircraft off the runway or you’d rather he experimented with a procedure that he has not been trained for and could result in loss of control of the aircraft. Your crazy theory would only work if you could actually control the nose wheel....which they can’t be used you need to actually get the wheel pointing in the right direction first before applying thrust. Try and push your car 90 degrees to the left by only pushing from the right rear side with the wheels pointing straight ahead and the back left wheel chocked and tell me when you managed to get it turned 90 degrees. Then remove the chock and try the same thing and tell me how far forward the care travelled before you got it facing 90 degrees to the left.

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Falcon
Falcon

smh at you all. You're acting like I'm saying the pilots should have landed on the taxiway or something. Snarky comments from the self-proclaimed "expert" about me not understanding physics aside, everything I explained stands. Applying more thrust to one side of the plane whilst applying brakes to the other would easily turn that aircraft and any competent pilot could do that. The plane will not blow up or disintegrate. If this is actually a violation of some regulations, then fine, but that still doesn't explain WHY. So far no one has been able to logically do that. Simply saying "that's not how it works" or "you don't understand physics" isn't a rational response when I have clearly explained how it DOES work.

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kuebbisch
kuebbisch

Famous last words I would NOT want to hear from the cockpit: Hold my beer and watch this... I also do not want the bus driver taking the passengers from the apron to the airport terminal building to test if he can cross in front of a taxiing aircraft or jump a bridge. If the proposed procedure is not approved and trained, then don't do it with passengers. I payed to be taken from A to B, I did not sign up for the "Dukes of Hazzard" theme park ride.

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Space JAGA
Space JAGA

Boeing engineers at work cause Max's have to come back soon....

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Random Acts of Video
Random Acts of Video

An emergency and a captain retiring in one video.

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Charles N.
Charles N.

And American 530 expect additional delay vectors due to the emergency equipment currently providing a water arch for UPS2133 😅

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dick dickerson
dick dickerson

That's the airport I work at. Glad I had today off. Btw I do all the line maint. For the airlines

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JetPackJan
JetPackJan

I bet ya they had a dog barking the whole time too. PTU working overtime.

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Thomas Mortimore
Thomas Mortimore

Seeing as they had no NWS that suggests the green system at least had failed so the PTU would be turned off. The PTU would be only for if the engine driven pump failed

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Cedric Ehring
Cedric Ehring

2:12 whats that for a carrer step?

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Falcon
Falcon

By "next step" I believe he meant retired life 😉

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Kevin
Kevin

The captain of that ups plane is retiring and that was his last flight.

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ecclestonsangel
ecclestonsangel

Hey! This is in my neck of the woods! I live an hour south of Syracuse, but consider Hancock to be my home airport. It's got a better selection of airlines and flights, and is half the price of BGM or ELM or even ITH. I fly Delta's 738's to ATL, then wherever....unless I'm getting off in ATL! Delta's the best! Hartsfield might be the busiest airport in the world, but they're very organized and very efficient. They keep things moving better than any other airport in the country. JFK, ORD and LAX could learn a thing or two from ATL.

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ecclestonsangel
ecclestonsangel

@Martin Theiss they are, but as I said and you experienced, they're very efficient. And very friendly. It didn't used to be that way 40 years ago. Thankfully things change. ORD has changed too- it's gotten worse! I don't mind connecting through ATL at all. I usually give myself at least an hour layover so I can get to my gate, go to the bathroom, and grab something to eat if I'm hungry. They always assign a super nice minder to me, as well. I'm wheelchair bound so I need help. Delta is always good about making sure I have a minder waiting every step of the way.

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Martin Theiss
Martin Theiss

I agree about KATL. I was there once myself and once they figured out my departure gate their trans terminal trolley was absolutely great and easy to remember for a non-native. Yet, they are now the busiest airport in the world passenger count wise.

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B D
B D

AA530 - we are gonna add a twist. The airport map you have, well, we changed it. Forgot to tell you until just now.

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Erin McLaughlin
Erin McLaughlin

the high speeds were removed in the summer to reduce ramp to runway incursions. Maps should have been updated by now. Could be in the mail...

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Paul Hood
Paul Hood

those have been NOTAM closed for months

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Noel Down
Noel Down

"Airplane!" Comes to mind. "That's just what they'll be expecting us to do..."

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Bill Fly2
Bill Fly2

Pros all the way around!!

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dum dum dumbest
dum dum dumbest

I live 20mins from Syracuse

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Ryan
Ryan

Woah!

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jetals e
jetals e

@Quincebo As above, I live over 10,000 miles away.

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Quincebo
Quincebo

Distance: 3,622.29 mi (5,829.51 km) Someone can beat me?

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jetals e
jetals e

@Steve Saxum HA HA HA. I can beat that. Put a 0 on the 1211 miles, that would be close enough for me.

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Steve Saxum
Steve Saxum

I’m about 1211 miles from Syracuse.......and I do not have the airport in sight.

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Martin Tarr
Martin Tarr

Congrats UPS... Now get the heck outta here.

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Martin Tarr
Martin Tarr

@Timothy Hickey yeah, it sucks for it to rain on his parade. But now he gets so much more recognition thanks to VAS!

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Decentish
Decentish

Hey at least he didn’t congratulate the emergency pilot on his career and the next step...

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Timothy Hickey
Timothy Hickey

I got aggravated too! Knew there was an Emergency inbound and kept wanting to thank the UPS Captain for his service...TWICE??? Keep the freq CLEAR!!

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Jason Dhonau
Jason Dhonau

😂

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MrDavid0808
MrDavid0808

Hydraulic failures on the A320 are a pain in the ass. Good job from the American crew

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globalste
globalste

@Mac Delaney it’s actually a simple ecam procedure and then use single or dual failure for calculating Vapp and distance. However, there is lots of debris hanging off that because you have multiple losses of systems you need to think about, ecam just tells you what you lost.

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jones jones
jones jones

@Mac Delaney That is correct. With many issues, the ECAM procedures have everything you need. On other issues it gets you started but then you need to look into the QRH as well to finish up. In all cases, you need to refer to the QRH for runway landing distance info if a procedure or lost system causes a loss of breaking, ground spoilers, flaps/slats or increase in approach speed. Dispatch can also run those numbers but going over all the systems lost etc etc takes forever. Easier to just do it from the QRH. Also my reference to looking at the FCOM, one thing I missed is, if the ECAM procedure states, "land ASAP", we are allowed to skip the FCOM info. It's usually pretty useless anyway so they don't want you to waste time with that if time is critical. "Land ASAP" means time critical.

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Mac Delaney
Mac Delaney

@jones jones Thank you for such a detailed response. Last question: Is the ECAM so reliable that not all emergency steps need to be documented in the QRH?

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jones jones
jones jones

@M Dynasty I think the reason you can't remember which system controls the nose wheel steering is because some are green and others are yellow. Kinda muddies up the waters a bit. Not that it really matters THAT much being the ECAM status page will tell you when it's a factor.

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jones jones
jones jones

@Mac Delaney Yeah that is generally because with a single hydraulic failure, the ECAM instructions contain all the crew needs for information aside from a reference to the QRH for landing performance/distance with loss of ground spoilers, since Y,B,G all have at least one pair of ground spoilers. Multiple failures require the QRH for more info, like turning off the PTU if a total fluid loss on Y or G due to foaming of the good side. With the Airbus, one hydraulic system failure isn't a big deal EXCEPT that you can lose nose wheel steering with the loss of only one system/yellow on some planes, green for others, which requires a tow off the runway to the gate. Two systems gets into big deal territory for a number of reasons, one being now you only have one, and if you lose that, you're controlling everything with thrust which is sub optimal to say the least. The other being you will go into alternate law while handling all of this and into direct law when you put the gear down which is a situation in itself. Since I've gone this far into it I'd be remiss if I didn't also say we also have to refer to the FCOM in all cases for maximum info, AKA, CYA. All these checks are one reason you see crews hold or take delay vectors before landing. A LOT of checks to do for safety as well as to CYA to limit the Monday morning quarterbacks as much as possible. It's impossible to make everyone happy in these events but you try. The last thing you need after a day like that is to find out you could have fixed it or been safer had you referred to something on hand.

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Sapphiron
Sapphiron

Yay new video!

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Ruben Villanueva

Hola Zaragoza!

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Christopher Ch

👍😎👍

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A DELTA A320 LOSES THE LEFT ENGINE ON FINAL APPROACH!

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