AM5 Motherboards are EXPENSIVE! AM5 Explained

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Robbaz
Robbaz

It would be nice with more 4x4x4x4 bifurcation pci-e 16x slots, for nvme. Before you had to sacrifice the GPU into a worse slot, if you even had bifurcation on the motherboard.

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

I frankly think it'd be much nicer for me splitting off lanes for my weird daughter boards shit like maybe say, FireWire or extra USB 3.2 ports or even a capture card for example, then me actually wasting my time and money on too much more NVMe. I'm pretty sick of it tbh, I just don't see NVMe as being a valid replacement for SATA SSDs, like at all. SSDs work much better, they're far far cheaper, they only take like what, 1 lane per cheap 1-2tb drive as opposed to costly 500gb NVMe taking FOUR entire lanes hogged all to itself on a thing that degrades mad fast and all for...what exactly? oh that's right NOTHING other than your weird Hentai shit being copied because guess what, NVMe still sucks at small files and it therefore sucks ass at anything not huge blocks of video data or something and basically just starts slowing down to near SSD speeds. I am basically just not a big fan of it and I don't think it's so great an improvement over mSATA. Yeah I said it, I don't think NVMe is a great improvement over mSATA, remember those old drives? Really it's basically just a lightweight laptop thing, and that is it, and it doesn't even make a big difference there because you really need two NVMe's connected on mainboard to actually make full use of them, and meanwhile glhf putting it in some Thunderbolt3 enclosure or doing some stupid shit where it's throttled down to 40gbs once you pull it from your main system. See this is why I got my x570 Taichi board and why I was so excited to have its 8 SATA ports, all of which are populated. I have two T-Force Delta Max ARGB SSDs and they look fantastic for example, I've got my 2gb HDDs for a whole ton of older games and other stuff where it really doesn't matter, and basically I just have MSFS2020 and a bunch of instant replay raw video and camcorder video on the other NVMe. I mean, they're fast between that and C:// NVMe, but it made me realize I'm not even so keen on wasting my lanes on a third NVMe. I'd rather just keep the x1 slots open and have the bottom x8 slot enabled than even bother with a third NVMe.

Vor 6 Tage
Bob Thompson
Bob Thompson

Just got an ASRock x299 Killer blah, blah, blah. I love that to use the PCIe x4 for my NVMe I will lose SATA lanes. Freaking Perfect, Well thought out plan for using the available 28 lanes. I7-7820x, RTX 2060 12gb, 32gb of Adata blah, blah, blah RAM @3000mhz. Building this for my Grandson's birthday and he has been asking for a new computer (he is running a Core 2 Quad that he got used). He will be very surprised and happy.

Vor 2 Monate
Dukeljk
Dukeljk

How about more pci express lanes?

Vor 2 Monate
Levi Turner
Levi Turner

Where are the videos Robert

Vor 2 Monate
Bigode Lock
Bigode Lock

Wow, you’re alive 🤩

Vor 2 Monate
Darren Cassidy
Darren Cassidy

the x670e and then the extra extreme are different. its regarding the chipset x670(e) and then the actual motherboard tier is that extra extreme. X670 and x670e have optional and mandatory hardware respectivley set by AMD. The board manufacturers then teir their own motherboard elite, master, extrme etx. So the chipset hardware using AMD set rules is the letter e denoting what is optional or mandatory telling both the consumer and manufacturer that the board has to have these hardware rules by default (with e) or not (non e). The same applies for the B650 and B650E

Vor 4 Tage
Elvin Espinal
Elvin Espinal

I have an x570 paired with a 5600x, so I'm not moving up. I feel that AMD got away with 5000 series pricing in the eyes of most consumers, because of the abundance of affordable motherboards that were already out. The price didn't seemed too bad even if you were building from scratch. This time things aren't the same at all. I usually skip a new platform on its first generation anway.

Vor 3 Monate
Angelica
Angelica

i have a x570 with a ryzen 9 3900xt and 5700xt and corsair rgb pro 3200 32gb i want now the ryzen 9 7900x with 4080 16gb with 32g g skill 6000 in a b650 i guesss now

Vor Monat
Floridaman9
Floridaman9

Agreed just upgraded to 5600x on a x470 aorus gaming 7 and still happy so may wait till the next gen but idk

Vor 2 Monate
TheShmsrsh
TheShmsrsh

@Goytá F. Villela Jr. 8 years

Vor 2 Monate
Bob Griffin
Bob Griffin

I have a ten year old AMD system. I don't know which CPU I have. The CPU fan has stopped working. Sometimes the computer freezes and I have to close it down. I will be updating to The new Ryzen 7600X and AM5 motherboard probably with B650 motherboard. I will wait until the bugs are out of the system in at least 3 months time. I will get it sometime in 2023 when prices start to come down. I am an AMD fanboy. The main reason is that I like the idea that the motherboard lasts for years before it gets updated. I also like the idea that it is 5nm technology and so uses less power for its performance compared to Intel.

Vor 2 Monate
Mario De vita
Mario De vita

My cpu is i7 12700k + z690 and rtx 3060

Vor 2 Monate
Alexander Diogenes
Alexander Diogenes

Having two PCIE Gen 5 slots that both support 4x4 bifurcation would be nice for those of us who want to run a lot of fast nvme storage on a pcie card. Loading game dev assets, working with large files, etc.

Vor 3 Monate
Dukeljk
Dukeljk

@shadowtheimpure main stream should have 40 this day and age, doesn't hedt today have like 96?

Vor 2 Monate
Super Neenjaa
Super Neenjaa

@shadowtheimpure you can have 40 by combining CPU and chipset lanes, but then you have to shell out for the higher end mobo, which is fair imo

Vor 2 Monate
shadowtheimpure
shadowtheimpure

@april generic No, I've got a 3900x. I just had a 'slip of the tongue' when I was trying to put Epyc.

Vor 2 Monate
april generic
april generic

@shadowtheimpure you must be an intel cpu owner since before ryzen, tee hee. sucks to be limited to 20 cpu lanes.

Vor 2 Monate
shadowtheimpure
shadowtheimpure

Unfortunately, no standard desktop CPU has that many PCI-E Lanes. You have to move into the workstation/server (Threadripper/Xeon/Epyc) class CPUs to get enough PCI-E Lanes to make having two 4x4 slots make sense.

Vor 3 Monate
Blaze
Blaze

Currently using a 3600. It is doing fine, just fine. I don't plan to upgrade until the 2nd gen AM5 chips come out. Giving AMD a chance to refine and perfect seems like the way to go. Also, maybe Intel will get it together by that time and have something worth consideration. Willing to think about either, I just want stable performance.

Vor 3 Monate
TheShmsrsh
TheShmsrsh

3600 is amazing proc

Vor 2 Monate
Eco
Eco

Motherboard prices have been idiotic lately. Even for a 2000 dollar build, a 150 dollar motherboard should be a very good fit. But these days 150 is the absolute minimum for a semi-decent board. Which blows.

Vor 3 Monate
Matt Matt
Matt Matt

We will have to see how AM5 can stack up to this generations motherboards/CPUs/we've seen how AM5 stacks against last gen/the 1700 socket/Alder Lake/Raptor Lake, we will have to see how AM5 stacks up against this generation/the Meoter Lake/Arrow Lake/the 1851 socket.

Vor Monat
DJ Lifted AndreaS
DJ Lifted AndreaS

@Dio Cub nope you did not, great system!! Hope you're enjoying it! 😎

Vor Monat
DJ Lifted AndreaS
DJ Lifted AndreaS

Exactly why I think of sticking with B550 for another year or two. MSI B550 Unify + Ryzen 9 5900X is a great combo of the times.

Vor Monat
IamZ3R0
IamZ3R0

Damn a friend of mine wants to start streaming too, I guess I have to tell him the motherboard news haha

Vor 2 Monate
Jim
Jim

@Dennzer1 unless you're playing at 1080p, I really don't think a CPU upgrade is going to much of anything. Yea there will be a few % in some games, but look at 4k benchmarks now. Even if the new platform gave you 5% - between board, CPU, $$$DDR5, all that money would be WAY better spent on a GPU. Regarding PCIE5 and direct storage... developers need to design their games to take advantage of this, and they aren't going to waste $ doing so if only .01% of people have PCIE5 drives. Personally, I don't even think PCIE4 drives are worth it for gaming: the game might load a bit faster, but that's where the difference ends. Isn't going to impact your FPS, so how much extra is it really worth? If you've got a decent system, I think this would be a good year to sit back....

Vor 2 Monate
craigtek
craigtek

Just paid $350 for a 5900X at Microcenter to upgrade from a 3700X. Definitely is a big difference in performance. I think the 12 cores will age well so I don't see myself upgrading to AM5 anytime soon. I usually wait a year or two before getting a new platform because that is when they not only become pretty stable, but the prices come down as well. As for Intel, I think the 12600K being about $200 right now puts it among one of the best gaming processors for the money. The new 7600X is a little better but I don't think it will be worth the extra $100. It will be interesting to see how the AM5 sales go when it comes out.

Vor 3 Monate
A Hettinger
A Hettinger

I think the other thing to consider with the price of these boards, at least on the AMD side, is that they are supposed to last for many generations (again). That seems to me there will be less sales then board partners are used to on the Intel side. I'm planning on holding on to my AM4 for a good-long while. I think it will keep meeting my needs for now.

Vor 3 Monate
StillDutch
StillDutch

I am looking to adopt AM5. Currently, I am running X370 and an 1800X with 2 1080Ti video cards. I will wait until there are more options, and cheaper parts, and also to see if AMD or Nvidia will have the better video cards with the new architectures. The other challenge is that I have everything water cooled, so I will also have to take the costs for that into account, unless I want to switch back to air cooled until blocks are released for the various parts. All in all, I see that this will be a pricey endeavor.

Vor 2 Monate
Ashley Couch
Ashley Couch

I know there are some CPU blocks that are already labeled as AM5 or whatever the letters are

Vor 2 Monate
Quinten Shibusawa
Quinten Shibusawa

I have the same issue. Got a water cooled set up with a X370 1800x and 1080ti. Going to end up building from scratch when I upgrade.

Vor 2 Monate
BoostinTurbSkee
BoostinTurbSkee

I’m waiting to see if the 5000 series prices drop even more so that I can upgrade from 3000 series. I still think the 5600x is still going to be a great option with a x570 board for a while.

Vor 3 Monate
freeenergymobile
freeenergymobile

@Yip Well, it's better than a Pentium.

Vor 2 Monate
freeenergymobile
freeenergymobile

@BoastfulToast You give me faith in the longevity of the 5000 series. AMD has already turned two hours of work into twenty minutes. It's kind of a sweet spot in time for the money.

Vor 2 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

@John Wayne as Genghis Khan Eh I guess that's alsoi a fair point depending what janky level your build is at, like if say you have a really cheap old board but mainly I'd never want to replace my motherboard (hence as I've said, I got a pricey x570 so I wouldn't do that and have a rock stable foundation for better part of the decade with room to upgrade, always get good boards). PCIe 4.0 was a "meh, ok cool" feature for me, box to tick. It's the rest of the board that's noice although yeah, I at first got a 3.0 for some reason and then replaced that by cloning the original WD black NVMe to my new 1tb Sabrent Rocket. Somehow it did feel vaguely faster honestly, but otherwise far as I'm aware no GPU is really saturating PCIe 3.0

Vor 2 Monate
John Wayne as Genghis Khan
John Wayne as Genghis Khan

@pandemicNEETbux Mainly I just want PCIe 4.0 to make purchasing a current gen GPU more viable by not having to half the lanes as a result of running on a PCIe 3.0 motherboard. Not absolutely necessary, but more of a "like to" option. B550s weren't out yet when my build began, only X570s which were beyond my budget at the time. I know my current mobo could handle say a 5600[x] but probably not do so well with a 5900X. I'd trust building a final AM4 version rig rather than a fledgling AM5.

Vor 2 Monate
Nicias Smith
Nicias Smith

@pandemicNEETbux Microcenter. They even beat the guy in the van.

Vor 2 Monate
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[ ]

I expect that sales numbers for AM5, ryzen 7000, rtx 40 series etc. will be way less than current gen. The global recession and especially the current price of electricity and gas make dropping that much money on power hungry pc parts not appealing to a lot of people.

Vor 3 Monate
The Vibe
The Vibe

i legit consider a nuc as my next pc for power consumption issues. it's just not worth it and frankly i got a 4600 and 1050ti that works just fine for me, i don't need that much power.

Vor 2 Monate
William Jeremiah
William Jeremiah

We need some TMNT power in here to dice up some of these replies.

Vor 2 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

@[ ] Oh. Europeans kept insisting to me they don't have AC, so I assumed it was going to be more a problem. But yeah, on the plus side, it is better to freeze, than allow an adversary to own you. I personally use my GPU as an unironic heater, so closing the door and heating my room with it helps tame the electric bill.

Vor 2 Monate
[ ]
[ ]

@pandemicNEETbux heat in summer is annoying, but on the upside it helps during the winter and this winter is gonna be bad for the EU with the current gas and electricity prices. Also lots of people in the EU have ac, probably less than america but still lots. Source: I'm european

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

Electricity pfft that's not even the bigger issue, the bigger issue is heat. I swear I just replied to this comment a week ago. Buy anyway nah, it's not about the power bill itself from the GPU, it's about the nonstop heatwaves, heat domes, heat despairs or whatever they start calling these horrible punishments for our hubris and aggressive stupidity, and then having to game on something that's like 350w just from the GPU is nuts. Even at 225w my graphics card heats my room up substantially, to the point of needing AC in the summer. Now imagine going twice that. Now imagine being European and not even having AC. You're going to roast alive. So I think that's an unwitting drawback, is as the effects of climate change accelerate it's going to make gaming in the summer a luxury on newer or more high end cards. My electric bill was fine so far.

Vor 3 Monate
jonathan schoenherr
jonathan schoenherr

The primary focus on mobos for me is stability, so the companies record on BIOS support is really what drives my decision. I've been buying the lower chipset for awhile now and have 0 complaints on feature differences. It really just depends on how important aesthetics are for you or if you REALLY need that many gen5 slots for this gen.

Vor 2 Monate
Kalark
Kalark

great video, typically always go with the mid tier option (b series etc) since that typically strikes a good feature set for the price. My only real complaint with B550 is that most motherboards had 5 USB A ports on the back IO, but the gen4 support was nice

Vor 3 Monate
Pilot BSInTheSky
Pilot BSInTheSky

Love your idea on the comparison.. Would help me extremely on new build.. Very torn moving to AMD as a MSFS 2020 and Xplane 12 user, hearing that both are optimized for intel and Nvidia. But I have to build for my use case of my PC and that is my 100% use for my PC. Love to get your feedback and see your lower cost build and performance of new chips and motherboards. Thanks

Vor 3 Monate
Brandon s
Brandon s

Definitely going to be upgrading but planning on waiting a couple months since I'll probably end up installing proxmox. With the 7950x I think its going to be perfect for having a gaming vm, linux productivity vm and still be able to run a couple servers.

Vor 3 Monate
syntax error
syntax error

Going to wait for a few months so the bugs in the BIOS are all ironed out and maybe the X3D versions will be out by that time and would love to see the comparisons in games with that version of the 7000 processor.

Vor 3 Monate
hman615
hman615

That didn’t age well, the x3 d versions are now coming March 2023

Vor 11 Tage
Z Killa
Z Killa

@Doge 2024 I guess I'll have to get the 7950x3d then.

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

I just want them to get the heat and clocks issues better at this point. That's really why I'm not into an X3D, because it looks fantastic only when you compare it directly to the 5800x, but the 5900x with its 70mb of cache not so much. This becomes especially apparent with productivity tasks and certain things that require it not having gimped clocks and on top of that it'll still be a toasty little fugger so I feel like it'll still be as hot as 12-16 core only minus the cores and additional clockspeed. I mean, I guess if you're only gaming yeah it's fine. It's just that some of the games I play on CPU heavy loads are going to suffer too by not having that clockspeed and then not even being affected by added vcache too strongly.

Vor 3 Monate
David E
David E

@Z Killa It's disappointing that AMD's cutting edge 3d v-cache tech takes a bit longer to put on CPUs than the ones without it? Check yourself.

Vor 3 Monate
lakestl5000
lakestl5000

I would too because of that recent MB recall disaster

Vor 3 Monate
SpoonHurler
SpoonHurler

With MCM on the horizon I wonder if multi gpu set ups will be more viable with RX 7000 series even with little effort from developers.

Vor 3 Monate
Karl Klauda
Karl Klauda

Hi, an excellent video. I fully agree with you. I was an early adaptor for the AM4 system with two X370 motherboards. Since then I added various AM4 mainboards. But I won't be an early adaptor for AM5. I wait at least 2 years before investing in a AM5 system. I'm very happy with my AM4 machines and in no need of an AM5 system right now. A well configured AM4 machine has more then enough computing power for private usage.

Vor 3 Monate
jGRite
jGRite

With all the two graphics cards support I keep seeing I think it's way more important that there's more lanes for more nvme storage. There are some, but I'm sure most people get one graphics card and have multiple storage options in their machines.

Vor 3 Monate
Ordinary Guy [edited]
Ordinary Guy [edited]

dang it JTC you nailed the memory compatibility issue happening on these DDR5 AM5 systems sure might be obvious to predict since Zen & Zen+ had that going but it shows that some companies just can't iron out the issues to be ready day one although in this situation they are already fine with unveiling the flagship X670E stuffs

Vor 3 Monate
WarpSpeedo
WarpSpeedo

I was planning to get a 13900k but the 7950x has me intrguied. I'm about 99% sure i'm gonna go AMD for the first time since the Athlon 64

Vor 3 Monate
Tyler Heard
Tyler Heard

as much as i want to upgrade to the 7900X i will wait and see what happens for a good month. Also with how we saw the massive improvements on the 2000 series launch from the first gen it might be worth the wait

Vor 3 Monate
m
m

I've been thinking about building a new ITX system but the only ITX board I've seen looks ridiculous. Hoping there'll be some more acceptable options around December/January.

Vor 3 Monate
Dark Reaper86
Dark Reaper86

I will be getting an AM5 mobo and CPU, but I'm waiting until the rough edges get buffed out. I'll be going with a 7700X and probably a 3080 or maybe a 3090 depending on where the prices are before the 40 series launch. I initially wanted a 5800X3D, but I figured screw it the X3D is like $450+ while the 7700X is $399

Vor 3 Monate
Not AN AMD Nor Nvidia nor Intel fan
 Not AN AMD Nor Nvidia nor Intel fan

@temp i got 5800X3D im waiting a year on AM5... ddr5 too high and all new mb suck so far ;(

Vor 3 Monate
temp
temp

7700x and 6900xt or 6950xt for me because its better than 3080 and 3090 anyway.

Vor 3 Monate
Mark Niemann
Mark Niemann

I’ll upgrade to AM5 eventually. Definitely not at first, those early issues can be so frustrating.

Vor 3 Monate
Futura 2500
Futura 2500

@Guillermo Lovato i have a dark hero viii with the stupid switching on problem - i think im going to jump onto the 7000 motherboards soon

Vor 2 Monate
scarletspidernz
scarletspidernz

@Guillermo Lovato Wait till X3D comes out most bugs should be cleared up by then.

Vor 3 Monate
Nicks Dinos for Kids
Nicks Dinos for Kids

Being a beta customer for a new technology is not for the faint of heart.

Vor 3 Monate
chad leimgruber
chad leimgruber

They usely get fixed in about two weeks tho and major issues are covered with rma

Vor 3 Monate
Gerald King
Gerald King

ALWAYS wait 3-6 months, that is the average time it takes for them to find and work out bugs. Yeah, I know, Moores Law . . .

Vor 3 Monate
Endia Williams
Endia Williams

I'm definitely going to be adopting AM5 but not until probably a year or so after launch. I want a Ryzen 7900X and whatever the next gen RDNA3 version of the 6900 XT is (probably the 7900 XT?). I probably won't need to the fanciest motherboard since I'm not going to overclock but all I want is a really nice (preferably white) micro-ATX motherboard for AM5! I really hope I see one on the market soon.

Vor 3 Monate
Kwolve
Kwolve

I'm very curious if the duel g-card boards will take solo PC streaming with great quality to a realistic level. I'm not sure if you can encode off of AMD cards but if you can having one dedicated to the game and one dedicated to the streaming encoder would be awesome. I've been an intel user for years and this is the first time I'm thinking of swapping for my next build.

Vor 3 Monate
Prophetian
Prophetian

That would be sweet. I swapped to AMD with 3700x and then upgraded to 5950x, however, since I was planning to streaming games I upgraded my 2060s to 3080 Ti (I did buy 6900xt initially, but once I learned about hardware encoding and how AMD's at the time sucked, I returned it and bought the 3080 Ti at near MSRP price!). Only thing that is keeping me from jumping ship to full AMD is the hardware encoding of their GPUs, come on team Red!

Vor 2 Monate
Thomas John
Thomas John

My first B350 motherboard from 2018 was an Asrock board and that thing was great. I used it all the way until last year and it cost me less than 70 bucks. I think even 200 dollars for a motherboard is insane, I hate how that has become the norm

Vor 3 Monate
Edsayswhoa
Edsayswhoa

So will the z690 for Intel be able to hold it's own for a good while? The new AMD CPUs look promising but I want to see what Intel has in hand with raptor lake. Plus it seems ddr5 memory has been on avg for me performance wise abismal. Lots of BSODS, memory loss issues, memory system error codes, stability issues, 4 sticks vs 2 sticks, etc. I just hope AMD AM5 boards fair better and hopefully with newer bios for Intel mobos will fix the stability issues.

Vor 3 Monate
Andrew Hunt
Andrew Hunt

I like having the option of 2 full speed PCI-E 16x slots. I had a riser cable in my case that was too short so I was able to use the other slot. Then that slot died after I had a power supply failure, but the first slot still works. I can't afford a new board at the moment but having that option saved me in my edge case scenario.

Vor 3 Monate
Fievel4
Fievel4

Jay, I suspect the purpose of the second PCIE 5.0 port is actually to put in a NVMex4 card into that slot so that you can have all the NVMe going without taking up so much board space.

Vor 2 Monate
Road Rash
Road Rash

My motherboard came with a pcie nvme card holder

Vor 23 Tage
Pratesh Ramjohn
Pratesh Ramjohn

My only premium motherboard was the Maximus V extreme. It was worth the $380 price tag because I've had it up and running for over a decade. I'm not sure I'm going over $300 for the next machine though.

Vor 2 Monate
Richard Parsons
Richard Parsons

Thanks for the video update Jayz. It would also be good to know if you can also use your existing power supply for the new boards or if this too would require a new one. Of note my current system is running a cooler master v550.

Vor 3 Monate
Barış P.
Barış P.

It always takes time to get what I need in a new launch: I need to burn as many cores as possible, but I don't need anything else. Mediocre storage/network/usb/gpu support is all I need. So I usually wait for midrange boards to get better with their power delivery.

Vor 3 Monate
itlefty
itlefty

Generally, well past the, "I should upgrade" point with my aging Haswell-E setups, but while the itch was there the budget wasn't. I've been watching Ryzen for a while now and definitely have wanted to get in on the fun. Probably going to look at X670, but I may slide towards a B series board depending on connectivity on the specific boards. If I don't see much I like then I may just go Ryzen 5000 as running not current gen hardware is definitely not a concern of mine even if it is a lot of fun.

Vor 3 Monate
TREiBER the DRiVER
TREiBER the DRiVER

If you are coming from Haswell, i would recommend AM4 with X570, because it is so cheap & reliable right now. You dont need X670/B650, DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 NVMe, because it is too expensive and therefore not the sweetspot. The money you will save, can go into more DDR4, more NVMe PCIe 4.0 or RTX 4000 and that will boost your FPS even more. This is why you choosed Haswell years ago, and kept running it until today, because it was the end of the line super sweetspot.

Vor 2 Monate
Robert Harrison
Robert Harrison

Right there with you with my Devil's Canyon, but looking forward to the B650 version of the Creator boards.

Vor 3 Monate
Wing
Wing

Thanks J n Phil for this vid. As Always, u give wise advice for us to consider: price vs performance when we wanna build rigs

Vor 2 Monate
Cashinyourface
Cashinyourface

I was initially going to 100% get this immediately at launch but Intel's alder lake leaks look so much better in performance and are probably going to close to the same price. I'm going to wait for bugs to get sorted out and reviews. If I can wait 2-3 months for better performance from intel I'm tempted to do that.

Vor 3 Monate
Cosmin Nedelcu
Cosmin Nedelcu

I've been sitting with my trusty Ryzen 7 1700x since it launched and I'm looking forward to upgrade to the new AM5 platform but for some reason I think I'm gonna skip the first gen and wait for the next one or at least wait half an year to have things settled and mature. I was an early adopter with the 1700x which I got paired with a Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K7. During the first months there were some stability issues with the RAM frequency and post times but it was solved fairly quickly

Vor 3 Monate
Trent Dawson
Trent Dawson

i went all out last week and did my first amd pc in 12 years got me a 5700g mid range gigabyte ud mb already had the 32gb ram ready form the old system and a 3070ti ftw3 . felt like a amazing deal to me going form a 1080ti and i7700k to this is day and light diffrence . i only upgrade every 5 to 6 year so i feel like i got best bang for my buck with all the sales on due to the move in am5 to ddr5 and the 4000 vidia cards knocking on the door .

Vor 3 Monate
TheMC1X
TheMC1X

@pandemicNEETbux I upgraded after 6 years because the TIM on my 4790k dried, so it was unbearable the heat. Also needed more CPU horsepower for work, so I figured it would be a good moment to upgrade. And don't forget about CPU single core perfomance. While on games I thought I was fine with my 4790k, with the 3700X I noticed I gained between 5-15% more frames on 1080p (depending on how CPU bound the game was). From Zen 2 to Zen 3 you'd gain quite a bit on the SC department, but the money would be better spent on a 5800X3D or a 5900X if you do CPU work. 5950X for anything but work is stupid

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

@TheMC1X I'm looking at my 3700x/x570/32gb of 3600mhz RAM as basically a ten year platform. Basically, I get swayed to switch from Intel and pretty happy with it, even though I can't do a real overclock, software is super nice compared to what I was used to anyway with Ryzen Master and Adrenalin. Am figuring a later Zen3 upgrade to 5950x to crown this system, an extra 2x16gb of RAM towards the end of its lifetime, and a 7700XT or something like that should last me 10 years before I even need a new one, and even at that I could probably just get an RX 8800XT or RTX 5080 or something like that and still be power gaming after 2027 unless the world ends.

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

Ehhh yes and no, the MSRPs were already so sky high that none of the deals are particularly impressive to me given that they're now 2 years old hardware right before the next launch and still costing more or less their MSRP, which again I thought was freaking nuts on some of those. You remember what Maxwell and Pascal era prices were, compared to MSRP now, and no that's got nothing to do with monetary inflation that's just sheer greed in the same way a landlord actively plans to charge you a couple hundred bucks more on rent every single year. That's all it is, is a greedy landlord shifting the goal posts. The only thing I was really impressed on with GPU sales was the $700 RX 6900XT I found on newegg, and admittedly even that was like, it's basically just a golden sample 6800XT, even though it's still comparably like a 3090 or not. But yeah, pretty funny seeing things change, 7700k and 1080ti was the shit. Still is tbqh, I'd still not have a reason to upgrade on that system without getting a 4k monitor, which is the only reason I'm thinking of an upgrade next gen. Although I guess a 1440p144hz would be pretty nice too.

Vor 3 Monate
Darth Wiizius
Darth Wiizius

I built a gen 3 i5 build which ended up as a 4th gen 4770 build in 2013 and only platform swapped in November 2019 when I shifted to a B450 build when I picked up an R7 1700 for £80. I waited because up until then there was still issues with DDR4 on Ryzen builds(and because I didn't want to spend £300+ on a chip). By the time I sold off parts from the gen4 build the swap was done for the £100 I spent on the PCB so I had money left to update the storage. I swapped out my 120GB M2 SATA boot drive for a 1/2TB Samsung NVMe and the 120GB 2.5 SATA(my first SSD) for a 1TB Crucial CX drive. I recently swapped out the 1700 for a cheap R5 5500 to freshen the machine up as a stop gap to AM5. IMO the biggest draw of Ryzen is the flexibility and value you can find on AM4. I have had the opposite experience from AMD compared to Intel, on Intel I had no upgrade path after a couple of years where I still have a metric tonne on AM4 nearly 3 years in.

Vor 3 Monate
TheMC1X
TheMC1X

And also you get all the matured support from tweaking the initial issues. My first upgrade was to an i7 4790k when the 6700k launched and DDR4 was introduced into the mainstream CPU's. Not only were the DDR3 sticks and the Z97 boards cheaper, but also Z170 had some issues from firmware, RAM compatibility and the infamous "bendgate" since they used a thinner substrate for the CPU. That setup lasted me 6 years until in summer 2021 went with a Ryzen 7 3700X and a MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon. I hope I can squeeze another 6 years of that combo :)

Vor 3 Monate
pdegan2814
pdegan2814

I'll definitely be going AM5 for my next full build, but thankfully that won't be until the Spring, so the early BIOS issues & such can get looked at before I buy.

Vor 2 Monate
gamestopjesus
gamestopjesus

Im on the fence. I've always been Intel guy but im very interested in what AMD is doing and thinking of implementing it in my new build.

Vor 3 Monate
Super Neenjaa
Super Neenjaa

@pandemicNEETbux lol. We're so used to afterburner. It's one of the first tool most install in a new pc despite its overlay not working with vulkan. I don't know if they updated now though.

Vor 2 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

@Super Neenjaa Yeah...even signing in to multiple layers of game launchers is aggravating. I am absolutely don't need an additional layer of startup bloat and attempts to undermine my privacy by signing in for GPU software, hence another reason why anyone on nVidia just uses MSI Afterburner until they forget that it looks weird when you boot up with an AMD card and immediately install Afterburner.

Vor 2 Monate
Super Neenjaa
Super Neenjaa

@pandemicNEETbux that bundled games stuff is different though. They have to have some defence mechanisms in place, otherwise it'd be grossly misused and game devs will be none to happy. But yeah, if I really wanted to mask myself I'd use VPN, and temporary email services available. The thing here is though more of accessibility. I find signing in for every little thing really annoying. I won't do it unless I absolutely have to.

Vor 2 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

@Super Neenjaa That's really the thing though, why does nVidia insist on email and shit. I am coming from a different mentality though I guess where I'd rather outright buy a burner phone to use a fake number for setting up email accts and shit (guess how I got this handle) since throwaway vmails boxes are so much harder to find and use as a lazy person, so merely the concept of signing up irritates me. But then again, AMD did kinda pull something like that by me having to download some software and verify my hardware to get a couple free games that came with CPU and GPU, so there's that. Same time, Adrenaline is just better, and I don't need to link it to any account. It just feels like AMD is so much more user friendly in a sense, although there's an irony in that I really really miss windows98 and bitch about not having it all the time whereas I'm talking shit about nVidia's software (those of you who know, know).

Vor 2 Monate
Super Neenjaa
Super Neenjaa

@pandemicNEETbux yup, only the people who used Adrenaline know how far Radeon software has come. I have a 5800H + 3050 work laptop, and I don't even want to sing up to use GeForce experience when I can get everything I need without that extra hassle and data collection.

Vor 2 Monate
Daniel D.
Daniel D.

Just one thing: This set looks dope! Great job!

Vor 3 Monate
kirokyo
kirokyo

I was initially going to go all in when AM5 launches, but realizing that there will be launch day bugs and kinks to be worked out in the first quarter of a new platform, I might wait until first quarter of next year when 3D V-Cache is rumored to come out (or simply wait for early adopters to work all the kinks out). That'd also give time for both Ryzen 7000 and Raptor Lake to be fully tested out along with the RTX 4000 series cards. I'm only hoping that we don't see another sudden shortage then. Not in a hurry either way. My OC'd i7-4770k + GTX 1080 is still working fine for the majority of games. There are a couple of competitive games that I can't squeeze out more than 240 fps like Apex Legends.

Vor 3 Monate
Mark Hackett
Mark Hackett

Well that was true for all prior platforms, and will be true for the Raptor Lake release too.

Vor 3 Monate
Velirno
Velirno

I appreciate that you're advocating for the B550/B650 path, because a lot of times we only hear about the X-series. I see a lot of people just write that line off entirely when it's a potentially massive cost-saving measure without sacrificing all that much. It really comes down to what you're trying to build. It's definitely a crapshoot in terms of what features are actually on the board, so hopefully that's less of a mess this time around (I imagine not...).

Vor 3 Monate
ZAP
ZAP

@scarletspidernz B550 Unify-X was the only real OC board besides X570 Dark until the end with the S boards. But on average even the simple B550 Aorus boards destroy X570 for RAM and BCLK.

Vor 3 Monate
scarletspidernz
scarletspidernz

Yeah the cost and quality of motherboards took a while to come around, it wasn't till b550 where the cost/preformance value got to such a good point that going B over X was better for the avg person. Now we need to see the next iteration of mass amounts of Usb type C ports and vertical nvme slots with cooling (similar to how 4 dimms of ram can be packed in a small space)

Vor 3 Monate
ZAP
ZAP

B550 slaughtered X570 in performance tuning

Vor 3 Monate
Patrik Šmondrk
Patrik Šmondrk

That new set looks amazing, the Star Wars build in the background is still a thing of art :) I'm currently using a 5600x with B550 ITX board (no plans for upgrade to the new platformthis year or next year), waiting for new gen graphics card. I've been happy with the Radeon RX570, but recently I upgraded to a 1440p monitor and it doesn't have the power to drive it. Hopefully something interesting in RX 7600XT or 7700XT will come up, that will not require a lot of power to drive and fit nice and cool into the Phanteks Evolv Shift XT.

Vor 3 Monate
Alexander Trauzzi
Alexander Trauzzi

Would like to see the video cards side by side so that I can finally just get it all at once. RAM feels like a big holdup here, so yeah -- I agree overall. Don't rush out for this one until like... early December-ish.

Vor 2 Monate
Aaphree
Aaphree

Probably going to wait (mainly for the sake of my wallet) since I've only had my 3070 Ti for a year and my 5800X for less than a year. Might be tempted to pick up a 58003DX or 5950X if they drop even further in price though

Vor 3 Monate
R&D Depot
R&D Depot

I see no reason to go AM5 when an early X3D chip is the capstone for my current loadout. I went from FX-8000 to Ryzen 3000 and felt the difference mainly with storage because that was my intro to NVME. PCI-E 4.0 is still on the table and I'll get to it someday but for now, a cheap 6c/12t CPU combined with a $200 mobo with every feature and 64GB of DDR4 all for around $500 means I'm going to be here a very long time. Dual GPU slot is a bait for people that need competition cards shared in one system like any Radeon GPU with a RTX 6000 series. It doesn't make sense because those are devices that aren't gen 5 and the current stuff doesn't even saturate gen 4 yet so I'm guessing it will be whatever happens for gaming and then combining it with a compute. I really hope there's a good selection of Mini-ITX and Mini-DTX. ATX and MicroATX are getting kind of annoying when I retire them.

Vor 3 Monate
Nick Rijke
Nick Rijke

Mostly agree, except I do like an old school great big motherboard!

Vor 3 Monate
KingOfAnxiety
KingOfAnxiety

I've been saying for months that early adopting am5 was going to be super pricey and trying to convince people that the market is unpredictable. Everhtjne someone asks if they should buy ryzen 5000 series, the whole internet tells them to wait for am5. The whole internet is ALWAYS saying wait for the next thing. I recently bought into a 5600x and a rx 6000 series. I like where the market is and the parts are finally truly readily available. Best part, a simple bios upgrade allowed me to use the new cpu so I wasn't forced to pay the adoption tax on a new platform. I honestly CANT wait to get am5 for my game stream /file server but I'm not going to spend $500+ on a motherboard when i can get a great motherboard for $200 or less if I just wait a little. Let's be honest... the current Gen of hardware is great, in fact it's the best Gen ever made.. that's the way it usually works lol the newest available hardware is the best. Things are definitely heating up in the pc tech world... it really had been interesting since AMD got competitive. I've always been a budget conscious builder so I've used AmD more than most people but even I swapped to an i7 after suffering of an fx8320 or whatever the number was of the 8 core fx cpu I had. Also never loved my rx480 to be honest, which pushed me to nvidia for the 10 series. I can't wait to see what the rx7000 series looks like. I would love to see an amd / Nvidia battle like the ryzen Intel battle. It would also be great for consumers. The way Nvidia are likely going to price 4000 series, I hope AMD come in with similar pricing as this Gen or even better. They would likely destroy Nvidia, especially if they come in as competitive as performance as this Gen with better fsr/ray tracing. Nvidia wouldn't know what hit them. I know the Nvidia fanboyism is strong within the community but I hope people stay making better choices for themselves instead of being so loyal to a company that just wants to take as much money from you as they can.

Vor 3 Monate
MrEricmopar
MrEricmopar

I'm intrigued by the newest specs, but the DDR5 still has me scratching my head. I'm not so happy about RAM that generally runs slower or the same at best than middle range DDR4 sticks, with most games and programs. The DDR5 thing has me scratching my head.

Vor 3 Monate
Radu Lupu
Radu Lupu

That also happened when DDR4 hit the market, or DDR3... or 2, i mean, every generation. Wait for it to become mainstream and you'll pay just as much as you're paying now for DDR4.

Vor 3 Monate
Jonah Haley
Jonah Haley

I’m excited to see what intel can do with 13th gen in response.

Vor 3 Monate
Jane Dough
Jane Dough

Whether I upgrade depends on the price of a full system. I've been riding out an i5-4590 and gtx 970 for years now. Haven't been willing to overpay for video card in recent years. I'm eyeing something like a R5 7600x and rx 6700xt.

Vor 2 Monate
APLTDungeon
APLTDungeon

I really like that idea of making the cheapest 7000 series possible, I would like to see a comparison of the cheapest possible and the most expensive possible gaming rig. Then maybe even the cheapest possible rig with a 7950x in it could be cool to see too.

Vor 3 Monate
Grizz Axxemann
Grizz Axxemann

I just upgraded to AM4 from running AM3+ for the last bunch of forevers. I kept telling myself when Ryzen dropped: "Give it 6 months, prices will drop." Of course, when they were cheaper, I had money tied up elsewhere. Then the COVID shortage hit. Then I went through a major life change. So finally, at the sunset of AM4, I'm finally in. This time, I'll be waiting no more than 12 months unless another pandemic hits and shuts everything down. But, I went with a B550 board since it was significantly cheaper than the X570, and I don't really want a lot of bells and whistles. I want something robust and reliable.

Vor 3 Monate
DemonTekDigital
DemonTekDigital

Personally I'm planning to stick to AM4 with an upgrade to R5 5600(X depending on price difference value). I've always been behind the curve with new tech so I don't mind. I'm sticking to AM4 because I really can't afford the modern prices for gear, and I REALLY don't want to have to buy a new GPU to minimize bottlenecking since I'm running a GTX 1660. I'm sure there will still be a bottleneck between the 5600X, and my GPU, but still way less expensive than a completely new platform. I remember when the CPU, and board were almost pennies on the dollar compared to the GPU, and RAM, and always wondered why. Like, why was the mobo, and CPU's combined price still cheaper than the mid-range GPUs? Now I get a much better idea why, but it still always felt weird to me that the literal brain, and cranium of the PC was cheaper than the eyeballs, lol.

Vor 3 Monate
DemonTekDigital
DemonTekDigital

@_Shadow_ ATI Radeon 9700/Nvidia Geforce 4-ish. Lol.

Vor 3 Monate
_Shadow_
_Shadow_

@DemonTekDigital What generation was that?

Vor 3 Monate
DemonTekDigital
DemonTekDigital

@_Shadow_ Yeah that's true. I just can't stomach paying more than a couple of hundred for a GPU because I'm old, and out of touch, LOL. Hell, I still remember when the most expensive cards were $400.

Vor 3 Monate
DemonTekDigital
DemonTekDigital

@Iammorph Thank you. I play games like Doom 2016, Eternal, Borderlands, and Borderlands 2. I absolutely despise multiplayer games. They're great, but I like to live in my own little world away from everyone, lol.

Vor 3 Monate
DemonTekDigital
DemonTekDigital

@Darin Steele Some GPUs have come down by quite a bit lately. My GTX 1660 SC Ultra is down to $209 now. When I bought it a couple of years ago it was $230 so not too terribly bad. I'd LOVE to get a hold of a new 3060 Ti for that price, but I highly doubt that'll ever happen, lol.

Vor 3 Monate
Evan A
Evan A

Tbh, I'm really waiting to hear about supported memory limits. I want more memory support than 64/128GB or the low number of DIMM's

Vor 2 Monate
Pinky Powers
Pinky Powers

I'm running the 5800X3D right now. I suspect I'll wait until Zen 5 to move up to the AM5 platform. DDR5 ought to be much cheaper by then, and most of the bugs should be worked out, as well.

Vor 3 Monate
Magnan Imus
Magnan Imus

5800X3D here as well (but in a mini-ITX build). Im undecided. I love that my current custom loop can be used to cool the AM5 platform too, but my main concern is power. I got a corsair 750W SFX and adore it, but would it be enough? Also, out of curiosity I looked at the currently available DDR5 on newegg and I dont see the point. Sure the frequency is higher, but so is the CAS latency to the point of DDR4 being faster overall (10ns vs 8.88ns). Im not sure what AMD offering Id have to wait for in order to be motivated to replace my cpu, mobo, ram and possibly power supply along with remaking custom silicone cables. Juice might not be worth the squeeze.

Vor 3 Monate
Jonathan Allbritten
Jonathan Allbritten

5950x here, same; upgrading every two ro three gens seems best for experiencing a real upgrade.

Vor 3 Monate
Chartreuse
Chartreuse

I wonder if we will see dedicated ray tracing cards that will be used in conjunction with your gpu. That way you can keep your gpu for a few years but upgrade the (hopefully) cheaper ray tracing card. Ideally this would make gpus cheaper since they won't have the ray tracing tech.

Vor 2 Monate
StormagedonBOD
StormagedonBOD

Even tho' the 12th gen i3 CPUs have been amazing for the price, it's been hard recommending them for budget builds here in Croatia because even H610 boards go for the equivalent of 100USD while decent B450 boards that support 5th gen Ryzen are 50-60USD. With that price difference in motherboards you could squeeze in a CPU,GPU or RAM upgrade for the same price as the Intel build. Not to mention that H610 boards make no sense because they're only a few bucks cheaper than B660 boards, making them a terrible value. And now we won't be getting Ryzen 3 CPUs for a while and even if we did we don't have A620 series motherboards to go along with them. I hate that low end is slowly becoming non-existent. AMD had the low end crown for a while with Ryzen 3 CPUs being amazing value with the 3100 and 3300X being just magnificent, and now they released the 5500, 4500 and 4100 which are just dogshit quite honestly.

Vor 3 Monate
StormagedonBOD
StormagedonBOD

@David E low end is a PC up to 5/600 dollars

Vor 3 Monate
David E
David E

Low end 7600x competes with the 12900k. If that's too high end you could always buy last-gen, should be cheaper.

Vor 3 Monate
Bald Guy Talks
Bald Guy Talks

I have been putting off my upgrade plans since the pandemic hit, after following the price trends for two years I think I now take more pleasure in planning future upgrades than actually doing it.

Vor 3 Monate
Goytá F. Villela Jr.
Goytá F. Villela Jr.

I've just upgraded my processor from a 3600X to a 5900X, and man, I won't need anything more powerful than this for MANY YEARS! It's more than overkill for me already, which was on purpose, so I could have a lot of future-proof headroom, and I do have it! So, I have absolutely no reason to throw everything away so soon and spend a fortune on an AM5 system. And I wouldn't recommend anyone who can't wait a year or so to go AM5 right now, because that's the time it will take for AM5 to become really viable. AM5 is great, but with those expensive motherboards and DDR5, it will be bad value for money at first, especially with the now very extensive and granular AM4 lineup with processors that still offer amazing performance, an immense variety of excellent and affordable motherboards, cheap DDR4 memory, and blazing-fast PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs.

Vor 2 Monate
scviper
scviper

Just a small comment about Wifi 6E: I ran on Wifi 6 (not even E) for two years, while playing competitive Overwatch and I had no dropouts, didn't notice any lag, any ping issues, nothing. It was honestly amazing. If you're an absolute pro at a highly competitive shooter you should definitely go wired, but aside from that wifi 6 is quite sufficient.

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

I was going to say, why on earth would you call yourself a competitive pro player and not be on a hardline. You can't even get those higher rates of data transmission anyway, plus my signal despite being near the router disconnects sometimes for some mysterious reason. This is especially true during downloads, and it never happens otherwise. Pretty amazing coming from memories of 56k modems playing Starcraft certainly, it is absolutely amazing what kind of data transmission we have just through the air, but at the same time I'm only going to be playing The Division 2 with my LAN cable plugged directly into the motherboard.

Vor 3 Monate
ThysiosX
ThysiosX

I'll give it a few months. I might try wait for the X3D versions and see what gets announced there. Hopefully by the time they're announced they should have worked out a few more of the bugs. But I would like to build a new PC sometime in the new year so I'll see how it's looking then.

Vor 3 Monate
Brawndo
Brawndo

Z690 prices were pretty insane too at release, especially DDR5 ones and the overpriced ram sticks. Happy to see them go LGA. Good video as always Jay Edit: Typos, grammar sry

Vor 3 Monate
name
name

@Tuteparle Depends on what you want to do. If gaming it actually doesn't matter as long as it's fast enough to not bottleneck your cpu and ddr5 at any speed should do the job.

Vor 3 Monate
Brawndo
Brawndo

@Jack Bui Yeah Epyc and TR do.

Vor 3 Monate
Benjamin Thorpe
Benjamin Thorpe

I bought the EVGA Kingpin mobo. I love it. But I'm going to be selling this $2k build to do an AMD. I have a 5950x build and a msi x570 I think that is used for home office built that a year ago.

Vor 3 Monate
Rafa Allegretti
Rafa Allegretti

PGA is better against user error. LGA pins on the motherboard are so much easier to bend than the pins on the CPU with PGA. They are also harder to fix by yourself. I'd rather have PGA but I understand why they went LGA.

Vor 3 Monate
rayn man
rayn man

@Tuteparle that would be the fastest speed you can afford...

Vor 3 Monate
viperpit
viperpit

I just upgraded last year and went with 5900x and a 6800xt combo but I'm swapping out the 6800xt out for 3090ti due to the gpu constantly crashing. So the next Gen will be a skip for me. Honestly the 5900x is still a great cpu and I find way too often that many "have to have the newer cpu's and gpu's". Just because a new one comes out doesn't mean the hardware is obsolete.

Vor 3 Monate
TheStig ZeroZeroZero
TheStig ZeroZeroZero

I would actually like to see Crossfire / SLI come back. Maybe some people with a lesser card could pick up one more and extend the life of their system.

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

In one sense it feels like a scam to say "hurr hurr here have feature to make you buy a whole 'nother card" but on the other, I literally was looking at boards like can this run SLI/Crossfire. But I mean, you actually can still do that anyway, it's just not super effective or stable (they never were super stable and reliable). Like AMD literally didn't even advertise this so I only found out about it through sheer nerdom of tons of tech stuff I watch and read that I found stumbling on accident that you CAN CrossFire your 5600XT or 5700XT. You don't even need the connectors just pop in another one and some games it actually works, which is super super neat. But then yeah, the issue is with nVidia's constant different proprietary bridges that don't work for each other and are super expensive etc. and that they only even offer it now for their highest range cards, which I thought about getting a 2070 super for that very reason. I looked at the 2070 and thought, nah it hasn't got SLI. SLI mattered to me more than DLSS ever will. So I do think that it's scammy that they are still offering it on their halo products, but refuse to enable it on 60's and 70s anymore just because the kind of people to buy those cards absolutely would save money by buying a used second card. All that stated, Jay is basically right. It's so hit or miss and requires devs coding that it's become pretty much pointless. Main reason why it's pointless though? Look at dem thermals and power efficiencies. Can you even imagine Crossfiring or SLI'ing two 450w cards?? That's insane! I guess a 4060 it's "fine" but even still, that amount of power draw is going to be nuts. My 850w already can't handle two 5700XTs without tripping (I have enough other shit going on inside that 450w+ GPU usage is a no go basically).

Vor 3 Monate
Brett Tanton
Brett Tanton

I’m good to go for my X570 motherboard and 5600x. It serves me well! I’ve had the 2 for over a year, and I’m still satisfied

Vor 3 Monate
CyberJJC
CyberJJC

It would be in my best interest to adopt the "Wait And See" method. Due to my routine of building a system that could stand the test of 4 year time before I dump money into another upgrade project, I think I will wait it out and aim my crosshairs to a high level motherboard like the X Series ones. We shall see.

Vor 3 Monate
DaysofKnight
DaysofKnight

I got my motherboard a few years back. It's a $400 motherboard, that I got for $200 because it was refurbished since you couldn't buy them new anymore. And it's lasted me this entire time, holding my 4.7Ghz OCed 8086k well. Next computer I build is going to have a 5800X (3D maybe.. depends on the price later down the road) and a decent 570 board

Vor 3 Monate
Matt P
Matt P

Looking to build an AM5 system, will probably wait a month or 2 till the gen 5 drives are launched and use that for OS drive. Will probably go Nvidia 40 series unless AMD announce something crazy for RDNA3. Hopefully by Nov/Dec all the initial bugs will be ironed out and I think that will be the best time to buy, providing stock levels are OK of course. Great video Jay 👍

Vor 3 Monate
Main Fighter
Main Fighter

Can't wait to upgrade this generation whether it's Intel or AMD, I want to free up my current 3900x for a server build because my poor R710 is starting to struggle.

Vor 3 Monate
Matt Rataiczak
Matt Rataiczak

Im curious if i would need a higher end motherboard to reach the boost clock for the 7950x or if that would be something i would need a higher end board for would the additional vrm be necessary for the box listed boost clock. I decided to splurge with this build since my current rig has lasted me almost 6 years now but im not a fan of wasting money on little knick knacks i wont use. I probably will want nvme 5.0 and MAYBE PCIE Gen 5 but it isnt a deal breaker. i just want to make sure im not gonna be limiting my new cpu because i skimped on a mobo cause i didnt care about the small add ons.

Vor 2 Monate
Tyswid
Tyswid

Was impressed that AMD was keeping the same price during the announcement. Then I realized they are LGA so they are "cheaper" to produce and the pin price goes to the board.

Vor 3 Monate
Imraan Omar
Imraan Omar

@Alex Atkin Remember Zen 2 was 7nm Zen 3 was also 7nm Zen 3 was more expensive with better yields

Vor 3 Monate
Alex Atkin
Alex Atkin

@Imraan Omar Less silicon but potentially worse yield, so not necessarily cheaper to manufacture.

Vor 3 Monate
Imraan Omar
Imraan Omar

Then you hear them say, the chiplets are smaller than ever too, so less silicon is actually needed to make the die. Less in physical materials but the same cost

Vor 3 Monate
Bananagans777
Bananagans777

@Fyn Kozari Land Grid Array

Vor 3 Monate
Luigifan42
Luigifan42

@Fyn Kozari LGA means the pins are on the motherboard instead of the CPU

Vor 3 Monate
rashkavar
rashkavar

First 6 months or so of a brand new platform like this with new socket, new memory, new PCI standard...I'd imagine things are gonna be rocky for a bit while they get all the kinks ironed out. And everything's gonna be expensive as heck. It's probably going to take me close to a year more to save up for what I'm looking at with current/soon-to-be-previous generation midrange options, so I'm definitely going to keep my eyes open to see if the prices die down fast enough. (My current PC is a bit of a wreck, thanks to some overheating issues that I solved too late to prevent damage, and I built it in 2014 so even if it was running like new, it's badly outdated. Point being an upgrade is happening when I have the funds available for it; I'm not waiting another year to give the upcoming generation stuff time to drop in price as it ages.) Of course, I guess I could win the lottery, then I'd start getting interested...

Vor 3 Monate
Spencer McKevitt
Spencer McKevitt

As a 12th gen adopter, I am excited to see what Intel responds with for 13th Gen

Vor 3 Monate
Alexandru Jucan
Alexandru Jucan

Definitely upgrading, but maybe next year. If the B650 will be less expensive I'll probably go with that one. Plenty of changes are happening now. There are PCIe 5.0 capable processors and GPUs more power hungry than ever, DDR5 and there is an ATX 3.0 spec for PSUs waiting to be adopted by PSU manufacturers and that's probably going to also lead to more changes in motherboard designs. With all the major changes happening now I'm thinking about waiting for the release of an ATX 3.0 PSU before buying anything new and make a new buld starting from there.

Vor 3 Monate
M. L.
M. L.

Well I am pretty sure the Aorus X670E Xtreme makes perfect sense in Gigabytes naming scheme - as there will be for sure a Aorus X670E Master and maybe a Aorus X670E Vision - wich will be one tier below the Xtreme - and then all the other tiers like Elite, Elite Pro etc.

Vor 3 Monate
TheRealRoadhog
TheRealRoadhog

Thank you for yet another great video on what's coming from AM5. First though, around 6 months ago, RedGamingTech mentioned that TSMC was raising their rates which is part of the price increase for the new processors and GPUs. I really want to build a new rig using AM5 and their new processors as well as GPU and will be waiting for the growing pains to pass. And I do so hope I do not need to go WIN11, that may push me to LINUX. And your information on what each version of the AM5 motherboards will probably have is information I believe that all who see this video will find useful in regards to a future build. Have a great day Jay

Vor 3 Monate
Slizzle.
Slizzle.

@ben weston you clearly don't know how inflation works and what the CPI actuaolly tells (which is valid on every single country)

Vor 3 Monate
TheRealRoadhog
TheRealRoadhog

@ben weston Well Ben, I'm in Canada, we pay 25 cents on every USD. As far as processors and GPU's, personally taking in account inflation, production, and development costs, feel the pricing is fair, to me. But as Jay stated in his video, the pricing on MOBO's from what I have seen so far, is gouging you and me, corporate greed. My hope is many out there skip the X670e and teach these greedy SOB's a lesson. I am going to wait fro prices to drop after the reality check has set in. And a message to all, April, May, prices will drop. Why, school will end soon, more people plan on spending money enjoying the great outdoors. I usually build a wish list in December of what I want for a system, and from that point, every month go back and check pricing. Try this, and see if I am right, what's a few more months. Last point, if B660's and other AM5 variants come in at a fair price, as in AMD motherboards have traditionally been a better bargain, AMD will RULE.

Vor 3 Monate
TheRealRoadhog
TheRealRoadhog

@Diana Alyssa Like yourself, I have multiple systems. And I have been following the evolution of gaming on Linux for quite some time now, Arch will be going on to one system at some point after I build a new system. Then I'll decide which Linux distro to install on the new one. And thank you for your feedback and info.

Vor 3 Monate
ben weston
ben weston

Lol, a 6% price increase in production cost doesn’t explain the massive price increases they making. AMD are just milking fanboys.

Vor 3 Monate
Diana Alyssa
Diana Alyssa

Certainly should be able to go Linux, maybe secure boot as to be off, not sure I did an 11 bypass for tpm despite having tpm 2. Win 11 drove me (after 8 months) from dual boot to just Linux Manjaro. Some of the new GPU features might not be supported yet on certain games/distros, but gaming works fine. There are even 11 based Linux distros. Helped my friend with 5800X build, he's still on Windows 10, and honestly told him he's better off staying there for gaming based off fps comparisons for games we play. I think the new boards are Win11 compatible though. I get the same 165 hz 1440p in Linux Manjaro XFCE as I did in Win11, watch 4k movies. Would suggest virtual box or installing 11 on spare machine (or arch/debian based linux etc) to try out. What started as a dual boot well I was able to game on Linux also which eliminated me needing 11 on my main rig. Like 10, I had to clean 11 a lot to make sure the telemetry was off and it performed well. Linux does have better and more control over updates and a game mode toggle also like 11. Migrating licenses it didn't cost me anything to early adopt 11 and toy with it for a few months, and it was easier to install certain games. Still have a couple of 11 machines around. I hope to do an AM5 build also, likely going more cores next upgrade.

Vor 3 Monate
Hilmar Ehrig
Hilmar Ehrig

So far I haven't run into any problems with my 3700X, so I'll be keeping my X570 platform for a while longer. Maybe if it's still available at some time in the future I might stick a 5800X3D in there... By that time AM5 might already be okay to buy as well though... Sooooooo... Guess I'll just start saving now xD

Vor 3 Monate
Sam-GK
Sam-GK

Thanks for the content.People should be aware that the 7000 series CPUs and 670 chipset are all first generation products of AM5. And with all of the new techs that are going into the new platform, it means bugs, bugs, bugs, problems, problems problems, ram incompatibility and many many more. The 2nd or 3rd generation of am5 cpus would be great but not this one. Check de8auer videos on am5 cooling, they are very informative. In my case, my Ryzen 9 3900 can keep on working till 3rd generation of AM5 CPUs, then I will upgrade

Vor 3 Monate
Clayton Schroeder
Clayton Schroeder

I’m going to wait a year or more before I consider going to AM5. Between the bugs, and the cost coming out the gate, I’m not willing to move yet. I’m going to treat it like the new Bronco, and let the ones who were in a hurry to buy it be the Guinea pigs, and let them go through the recalls and other issues.

Vor 3 Monate
Vir Aqu
Vir Aqu

Yep I'm definitely waiting for second or third gen AM5 CPUs. My 3600 and 5700G are serving me well.

Vor 3 Monate
Mike Novelli
Mike Novelli

Total Platform Cost & Upgrade paths should be taken into account far more than they regularly are.

Vor 3 Monate
Mr Farts
Mr Farts

@L'Ami Kal You are also wrong about that cpu. The first consumer cpu over a grand was the first extreme edition.

Vor 3 Monate
Mr Farts
Mr Farts

@L'Ami Kal You are right they had to be consumer friendly and sell cpus or go out of business. Why do you think they are going to immediately change with no evidence this will happen? Lisa Sue wants her stock to go up and she wants to sell more cpus. I don't get your problem other than you hate amd for some reason. Go buy an Intel cpu we really don't care. I have lots of friends that have enjoyed having 4 generations on one socket and would like to see that again on am5. You are so closed minded you refuse to accept the fact that amd might continue with a winning strategy, even after they tell you that is exactly what they want to do. It's nuts to me...

Vor 3 Monate
L'Ami Kal
L'Ami Kal

@Mr Farts You said it yourself : they were on the verge of bankruptcy. That's why they had to be consumer friendly. When I read all of you fanboys, it's almost lile AMD is doing all of us a favour, by saving us from the evil Intel.... So much for basing your decisions on reality, eh. Remember when Intel had their crappy Pentium D, a disaster of CPU, hot as hell and underperforming ? What did AMD do ? They launch the first consumer processor over $1000. What are you all doing, simping for Lisa Su like she was an E-girl or something ?

Vor 3 Monate
Mr Farts
Mr Farts

@L'Ami Kal You need to step back and do some analysis. Amd was months away from a bankruptcy when zen came out. They have been delivering what the market wanted since then at a constant pace on time. Those same people are still in charge. They pushed extended socket support hard. We have no reason to doubt they will continue this and they committed to 2025+. They have been pushing core counts on the server side at price levels that are very reasonable. Intel never went to a new node unless it would save them money until amd forced them to. I never remember Intel supporting more than 2 gens on a node, even after amd demonstrated what this could do for sales. I do remember them doing everything they possible could to avoid having to innovate against amd. I don't know what your problem is but you need to review the actual state of the semiconductor industry. Intel is likely going to be the next blueberry if they continue going the direction they are going. They need to start making profits and will be taking margin on gen 13 and will be paying billions in dividends. Expect gen 13 to be more expensive than 12 by a significant margin. Meanwhile amd doesn't even pay a dividend. Just make sure you try to get your info from as many sources as possible. I own stock in both and try to make my decisions based on reality and not my perception of reality. I really want a strong intel and I am hoping them opening more fabs in NA will give us this but I am getting more and more skeptical they even have the ability to do this effectively at cutting edge nodes.

Vor 3 Monate
L'Ami Kal
L'Ami Kal

@Mr Farts "B-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut, Intel did shady stuff 20 years ago, so AMD are the good guys" Good boy...here is you sugar

Vor 3 Monate
Larry Boles
Larry Boles

AM5 Sounds amazing. I just upgraded to the 5900X from the 3600 on my X570 Unify MB, so I will not be changing that for awhile. I am thinking in a year or so maybe AM5.

Vor 3 Monate
Martin Chovancik
Martin Chovancik

Really looks like I'll finally be moving to AMD. Last AMD I ran was an Athlon 64 I think, so it's been a while 🙂

Vor 3 Monate
Nghthawk Evenfall
Nghthawk Evenfall

That was my plan after the last build I did was in 2019 with ryzen 3900x and rtx2080 but had the extra money and when the price drop hit I decided to upgrade to the current gen ryzen 5950x, 3090 TI (basically a brand new build, everything including my 1st custom water loop system) and then gave my friend the gpu, cpu to upgrade his system. My adventure with AM5 will be after buying a house. Once the water block for my gpu is available I will pick up an additional card with the blocks and run dual cards which should last me well into the AM5 era.

Vor 3 Monate
Anthony
Anthony

I've been on a 3600X since launch, I'm excited for AM5 but not looking to jump to that platform. I'm waiting for Zen 3 prices to drop and grab a 5800X or 5700X, maybe even a 5800X3D

Vor 3 Monate
John Hatfield
John Hatfield

Been an intel guy so far, but what I’m seeing has me strongly considering AM5. I will probably wait until tax return season, spring maybe summer 23’. My 10700k and ftw3 3080 is holding up just fine going on 3 years. I’m usually a 3-5 year lifecycle type.

Vor 3 Monate
Averagedude2022
Averagedude2022

I’m considering opposite lol. Just updated to a 5600x but considering at some point should I swap the cpu for 5800x3d or 5900x, or move to 13th gen Intel at some point.

Vor 3 Monate
Paul Kendall
Paul Kendall

I will wait till 2gen AM5 boards day X770 as I feel the lessons learned on X670 will be used to make X770 better. While it might not be as big a leap as X370-X470, X770 will have less issues but unlike Intel's will get more CPU upgrades. What I can say Zen likes memory bandwidth I'm expecting DDR5 to have hidden benefits for AMDs new CPU&APUs.

Vor 3 Monate
Anytyme06
Anytyme06

I'm really interested in AM5. I'll wait a few years, I usually wait to the 2nd or 3rd iteration. Just built a 5800x PC last year.

Vor 3 Monate
Wayne Storton
Wayne Storton

Love the video, but I think it's a little unfair to mock the naming of the motherboards that were called 'Extreme'. The 'E' after 670 is part of the chipset name and denotes what features are available from it when compared with 'non-E'. Extreme has always been a version of motherboard from Asus (and prolly the other manufacturer mentioned) along with Striker, Hero, Maximus, etc. Can't wait for your motherboard reviews/comparisons. I am usually an early adopter, but this time I will wait it out :)

Vor 3 Monate
Frantisek Sram
Frantisek Sram

I'm really tempted to upgrade to Ryzen from 7700K. But will wait until intel is out, see what's best for me.

Vor 3 Monate
Simon Zerafa
Simon Zerafa

If you are going for X670E then get one with USB4 included. Apart from the DDR5 support this will be the new feature that will keep your build working until 2025 as new USB devices are released. Given the lack of PCIe slots on most boards USB upgradability will be key.

Vor 3 Monate
Stuart Andrews
Stuart Andrews

Hoping they will put USB4 on B650E boards

Vor 3 Monate
FatheredPuma81
FatheredPuma81

Can't believe I'm able to say "Remember the good ol' days (a year ago) when a very good motherboard could be had for just over $100?" It's honestly sad that motherboards are becoming so expensive yet can't even bother putting any of that money into basic things such as post code displays, power and reset buttons, bios flashback, etc....

Vor 3 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

@jan vollgod I mean honestly...it's more a problem on 14nm++++++++++++++ lol. Just because I'm rocking this 4th gen CPU and by God, the f'in thing actually throttles and stutters while I'm just trying to download a Steam license and play a video at the same time 1080p. Which is why you need moar cores. I've stated this a million times probably but basically 4 cores is not enough because it can't use all the other shit you got running on, especially not a YT music video in the background, and then have all that RGB software which yes, I've got one for my mouse, one for my CPU cooler, and another one for my total board output. Plus you've got all these things like GOG Galaxy and Epic and whatever other launchers like Steam on that it can be a real problem, but I'm often skeptical people telling me the bloatware somehow is supposed to hog 8 cores.

Vor 2 Monate
jan vollgod
jan vollgod

True. What also annoys me, when buying a high priced notebook, and the Vendor software on it, is some mixture between useless bloatware and some total pathetic programmed Chinese spy software. And you can't even choose. Every Vendor has his own Crapware on it. Just to adjust the RGB on my keyboard, i need to install a bunch of services, which will choke my new system. This went all in some wrong direction. The customers became way too soft and benevolent with the products.

Vor 2 Monate
pandemicNEETbux
pandemicNEETbux

Yeah, but that's why I've got mine, and quite frankly given my last board was literally a PIECE OF S%$& Dell OEM board that still made the beeping sounds, it's amazingly refreshing. Basically, Dell is like that PC version of the neglectful parent who makes you overcompensate into eating cake and ice cream all day, and that is why I got my $300 x570 Taichi board. Because now I get to eat post codes and great features for breakfast and dinner. BIOS flashback, my God even my ARGB got fucked for the longest time until I realized I could do a software flashback and it fixed it. I thought the traces or chip itself was blown. It's why I'll always spread the gospel of needing a good board. A house divided cannot stand against itself, and a board is like a foundation to a house, a system built on a bad board will be washed away like the sands of 11th gen Intel.

Vor 3 Monate
Tomáš Demovič
Tomáš Demovič

I bought my first full AMD PC last september and I am loving it so far :3 So...for me, I am excited to see AMD takin the "crown" back, but definetely gonna wait for like 2-3 years maybe to upgrade. What I am more lookin to potentionaly upgrade "sooner" is GPU so...hype is real hehe :D

Vor 3 Monate
Micromation
Micromation

To be fair ITX X670E boards are super worth the price... Unlike AM4 boards in ANY price range, AM5 ones have actually superb I/O. 2x USB4 as a standard and a bunch of USB20gbps? YES PLEASE. There's only like 1 motherboard for AM4 that sports Thunderbolt 3, from ASRock and that's about it - otherwise only Asus has offered TB4 but only via additional expansion card for another $130 premium compatible with selected motherboards. It's worth noting that this is premium chipset and there sure will be cheaper B series alternatives for those who do not need these features. There's still problem of abysmal PCI-E lanes available for AM5 so these bigger boards hardly even make sense - can't use that additional real estate for anything useful without sacrifices (can't populate all expansion ports without something getting disabled along the way...) - seems like mATX and ITX is the way to go for this platform.

Vor Monat
Airon
Airon

Happy with my 5950X workstation for now, built in 11/21. will likely consider 7950X3D or Zen5. If leaks are to be believed the multithread performance of the vcache variant will be outrageously ahead of my rig.

Vor 3 Monate
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Vor 3 Monate
Paul Johnston
Paul Johnston

I'm definitely going to wait until next spring at least to see how the new AMD stuff turns out, the power creep on Intel and Nvidia are just getting ridiculous. I've been an Intel/Nvidia fanboy and the new AMD stuff has really caught my eye.

Vor 3 Monate
jandegrote1
jandegrote1

@Craig Lortie Right but i responded to a person calling himself a AMD fanboy in the first place. I also don't feel the need to support a small company if that means i end up fucking around with a poorly working product for the first few years. But if you want to be the paying beta tester you do you.

Vor 3 Monate
Craig Lortie
Craig Lortie

@jandegrote1 i am not a fanboy of amd. i just don't like a monopoly in any form. thats why i invested in ryzen from the start and just got a 6700 xt. if others want to support intel and nvidia, they can feel free to, but i never want to hear them complain about how much they have to pay to have them. i lasted 10 yrs. with a phenom II 955, just because they had the best cpu at that price point. went 7700k with daughters build w/gtx 970. i believe in competition, but if you can't support the small company when you can, your left with few choices.

Vor 3 Monate
adam sibley
adam sibley

@Paul Johnston i don't think you read my comment. I'm aware that 4000 series GPUs are rumoured to be 350W tdp cards but you can just set the power to 60-70% and you now have a 200-250W card with more performance than last gen

Vor 3 Monate
Paul Johnston
Paul Johnston

@adam sibley then you haven’t been paying much attention to the power draw on the new GPU’s. Nvidia is recommending at least a 750w for a 3080 and upwards of 1000w for the 3080Ti. That’s just for the founders cards. Not saying what 3rd parties recommend.

Vor 3 Monate
adam sibley
adam sibley

You know you can just turn down the power limits on GPUs if you are unhappy with the power draw. Every generation gets more power efficient

Vor 3 Monate
OmegaDMM
OmegaDMM

Just like the days of RDRAM vs DDR, RDRAM was over 4 times more expensive per stick and took two sticks to work (a dummy stick can be used), I see the PCI-E 5.0 being the reason.

Vor 2 Monate
John Athanassion
John Athanassion

I love your videos. I'm currently running an intel i7-8700k with an EVGA Hydro Copper 1080 ti with an Asus Apex X. Even though I am an Intel fan boy, the performance from the new AMD AM5 processors, I'll have to go the AMD route. Looking at the AMD 7900 for gaming, overlooking as well as having the capabilities for video editing. I hope I'm making the right choice for my needs.

Vor 3 Monate
Darth Wiizius
Darth Wiizius

I think the biggest advantage you'll get is longevity. 13th gen Intel may well be competitive with Zen4 as they will probably put full speed DDR5 memory controllers on it unlike gen 12, the issue is that you'll be locked to gen 13 with nowhere to go from there as with AM5 you'll have Zen 5, Zen 6 as a certainty and maybe even Zen 7 down the line.

Vor 3 Monate

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