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you should have an april fools event where you make a full video about a flight that was completely fine and nothing happened
I once had a flight just like that! 🤪
And make it about a flight he flew himself.
@Alexander Mcpherson isnt that while we are all here, im here for the crazy crashes and shit
The real Kamikoto knife company of Japan is not associated with the Kamikoto company advertised here. The Japanese company only supplies to the Japanese domestic market and uses folded steel. The KK advertised here is a Chinese company which uses stamped steel which is not folded - it has nothing to do with the Japanese company.
@John DoDo Doe same scammers operate both, just watch Scott Shafer video to get all the picture
@gamamew What does that knife brand got to do with the "Established Titles" scam?
Typical made in China copyright infringement. The fact they can get away with that is disgusting.
I bought a set of Kyocera ceramic knives several years back, and they've been amazing. I felt they were a bit expensive at the time, but they've lasted amazingly well, haven't needed sharpening, and were still significantly cheaper back then than what a comparable set of these "Kamikoto" branded one's are listed for now. They feel like the kind of quality tools that'll one day be bequeathed in my will, because they're one of the only "Modern" items I own that I feel may quite easily outlast me. :D
They are made from the cheapest stainless steel that you can make a knife from and charge several times the price of a decent japanese knife
The lesson about not expecting everyone else to do the reporting when something isn't right is important to remember regardless of our occupation. Hopefully, the pilots who didn't think it was important to report the anomaly with the ILS and only reported it after the incident will never abrogate that responsibility again. At least this time, the lesson was not written in blood. (Not that I fault the pilots, not when everyday life is filled with examples of anyone doing the same kind of thing.)
Pettr i was wondering if you've had any real life emergencies or incidents that you've had during your flying career ? This could make a really interesting video Go Flight Mentour its so great
Hey man! I’ve been on a binge with your videos after finding your channel a few days ago. I love your content, it is really great and you navigate tragic events respectfully. I love hearing professionals talk about their craft! I have always loved documentaries on aviation but yours got to be the best I have found! You outshine all the “professional” tv network content I have seen on the same topics. I do not know if YouTube is your full time job or if you are also a pilot but if you are that is just crazy! You are very great at explaining the complex things. I love the visuals! Because of my adhd I have a hard time following audio and they really help! 10/10 channel and content, have a good day!!
@Mentour Pilot ... Find fine...?
@Mentour Pilot thank you for the quick reply, hope you enjoy your leave🥰
That’s awesome to hear! Yes, I’m still working as a pilot but I’m on leave until April at the moment. Thanks you for your kind feedback.
My job has nothing to do with aviation, but these videos remind me what true professionalism is about. You're making world better in ways you probably can't imagine :-)
So true, no matter which job, is it cleaning room or sewers, is it garbage collection, is it coding, is it any blue colour job. Professionalism is super important!
Another nice video from Mentour Pilot! It is tempting to confirm that you see what you want to see. On the end of a sailing trip with poor visibility it was difficult to see the entrance markers of the harbour. I asked the helmsman if she actually saw the markers and she confirmed that she did see them. I didn't, so I asked again if she saw a green and a red buoy or light. Yes, can't you see 'm too? Anyway, I had a closer look at the chart-plotter (which was inside the boat) and concluded that we where heading for a mooring dock and the person at the helm had interpreted the bollards on it as the markers we were desperately looking for... The dock was protected by a stone jetty on the seaside that would have ended our sailing trip in a disastrous way.... Conclusion: Do not try to use false reasoning to make you think that you are in a better position than you actually are. See f.i. the "Deepwater Horizon" incident where measurement data were wrongly interpreted by the experienced people involved. They wanted to see 'good results' (finding oil, finding the runway to land on...) leading to a major environmental disaster.....
Seasons greetings 💐💐 fan, thanks for the love and support, I got a 💌 gift for you⤴️.,
@Mentour Pilot Great channel and content. I am a retired CPL (ATPL) from CYXE. I appreciate the level of knowledge you possess, and your explanation of each accident and sequence leading up to it. I have been binge watching your content for 2 days now. Keep up the great work. New subscriber. Fly safe as always.
This is such an informative video. Confirmation bias - point taken. I'm not flying airplanes, but I understand going around is mandatory when pilots do not both see the runway in time. Thank you!
Petter's videos are simply superb. I've learnt so much watching them over the years.
Hi Pette, very nice video. I would really love to see your take on the sad accident that involved Air France flight 447 from Rio especially because it involved lots of controversies over the pilots responsibility in the accident. Thanks
Very good animations and intresting story! Next level! :D You guys on the Mentour Pilot team are awesome! Thank you!
Thank you Mentour Though I am not a pilot or in the aviation industry. I learn much from your videos. I am a professional carpenter and remodeling skills. I always appreciate craftsman of any profession. If I ever need to be available during a flight. I believe your information could be the difference between life and death. Lord bless you and please stay safe and encouraged to continue your videos.✝️👼🙏
Seasons greetings 💐💐 fan, thanks for the love and support, I got a 💌 gift for you⤴️
I recently discovered this channel. I have to say, for the kind of high resolution information I prefer when learning about this kind of stuff, this channel is definitely a step up from 74 Gear.
@JB Automotive and Marine Kelsey strikes me as more savy in the social media sphere
@JB Automotive and Marine Was the water bubbly and full of suds? I don't care about this guy's channel sponsors LOL. If they are responsible for the high resolution instrument displays and detail, don't you think it was worth it even if his sponsor is Chinese and likes to take a dip in the hot tub?
Kelsey probably wouldn't use a chinese sponsor company that's been in so much hot water lately.
Two entirely different channels and pilots. Can we be respectful?
One is a reaction to videos, movies and the like. The other makes analysis. Both are good at what they do. But 74 Gear also doesn't aim to do what Petter does, so it's not comparable. A pear doesn't fail at being an apple because it doesn't try to be an apple. Both fruit and good in their own way.
Its a worry actually that the captain was given that status after her clearly having failed not once but on another occasion also to meet the requirements for the rank. To add this, the co pilot also showed hesitations, and clearly required more assistance with the aircraft and associated systems. More than the failure of the ILS system, in my personal view pilot error was THE factor that caused this accident which fortunately did not end in any fatality or serious injury.
I was thinking the same thing.
As usual awesome analysis and commentary. Hats off to you!
Just so you are aware Kamikoto is a huge scam along with Established Titles. There are various videos on YouTube now exposing them.
If those kamikoto knives were a plane you wouldn't dream of flying it lol
This reminds me of the quote I saw in the comments section of another one of your videos. I don't know who said it. But something along the lines of "every landing approach is a go-around, with the option to land". I like that.
And you thought misaligned ILS's only occurred in MSFS! Glad this didn't end in tragedy.
I wonder if you have ever considered covering the loss of Northwest Airlines flight 255 from Detroit on August 16, 1987. This was the second worst fatality count in US the usa up to that time and happened moments after takeoff. If highlihts many of the communication issues your bring up again and again on your channel. I think this might be an interesting case for you to include.
Another fantastic video from Mentour Pilot, great quality work!
1:53 Let's appreciate the range of an Italian EMB145 making it all the way to Maine.
@playlist vincent There are islands to land on for that.
It was probably refuelled over the atlantic😂😂😂
Radio antennae are significantly affected by the objects around them, in the case of directional antennae as used in ILS systems, their directivity is impacted. The 'gain' of these devices in a particular direction is achieved in a way similar to using lenses and mirrors for visible light; there is no extra overall energy, but the energy available is directed where the designer intends. The wavelength of these systems is approximately 4, 3 and 1 metre. Any change in the electromagnetic characteristics (permittivity, permeability) within 1 wavelength of these antennae will *significantly* affect antenna operation, and within 2 metres will have some influence. A build-up of snow (or vegetation, a shed, a person, a metal vehicle, et cetera) within that region will affect the directivity of the antenna system. Ideally, the antennae would be a minimum of 2 wavelengths above and apart from the nearest object(s).
When I was doing my flight training, I was also working assisting on medivac flights. Knowing I was doing flight training, I was treated as a second officer type role - having my head in the flight at most times - even though I wasn't flying or part of the operating crew. I was included in the briefings before flights and during the flight itself - and the golden rule said specifically to me was "Just because you might think you're not qualified, if you ever see something that seems out of place, make sure you speak up and tell us. We'd rather confirm something isn't a problem than not notice a problem." One flight, when I was getting more familiar with the aircraft systems, I noticed that on a long flight over the ocean, that the fuel remaining estimate was about 1hr less than the flight duration. I mentioned this just after we came out of the 10,000ft sterile phase of flight and got a reply of "That's fine, we'll discuss it when we get to the cruise altitude". A bit later on in the flight, it was explained to me that the fuel computer only uses instantaneous fuel burn to calculate the time remaining, and was shown that now we were in the cruise stage of flight with a much lower fuel burn than the climb, we had at least 2 hours beyond the flight time of fuel onboard. This might sound simple, and routine, and like a rookie mistake - but the captain told me I did well to spot it - and that it was better to point it out and get a proper explanation than ignore it and nobody notices a mistake that would have caused us to have to ditch in the ocean. This is the perfect culture to foster in aviation - and should be encouraged no matter what type of flying you do. The realisation that aviation got this culture embedded into it from people not saying things and dying should be a sobering reminder of why things are the way they are.
@trespire The pilot may fly the aircraft, but the crew chief OWNS that aircraft! 😂
@icemachine79 I am bad with names. I Googled them, sure I remember the stories. Keeping the schedule and saving money are always the usual pressure/reasons for taking chances.
@David Wong In that case, and given the time period, I don't think you should blame yourself. Remember what happened to Roger Boisjoly and Dan Applegate?
@David Wong Now it makes sense. Thanks!
@icemachine79 The answer is in my reply to leisti somewhere in this thread. Others please pardon me for repeating myself. Working on the Boeing Jetfoil in the 80s, the abnormal OP for a low tank level alarm was to open the common valve between the tanks (without any other considerations before and after conducting this ABN OP). I thought it was not correct. Low level alarm or not, I believed lots of checks should be done before and after opening the common valve for tanks. I did not bring it up to the management or to Boeing. So after watching the Air Bus incident (in Mayday, decades ago), I wondered if it would make any difference had I brought it up then, probably very remotely but at least I would clear my conscious. I do bring up concerns at work as I notice. Supervisors/Managements don't always take it positively. I got burnt several times.
Love the content, I was wondering if you plan to do one on Atlas Air Flight 3591. This plane went down a few miles from home.
In every episode, Petter does 'absolutely fantastic' emphasizing lessons to be learned. These lessons are not just for those in aviation. They apply to all aspects of life. I've recommended Petter's channel(s) to family members and friends for this reason, in addition to the compelling and entertaining way that Petter relates -- he creates suspense, maintains a respectful attitude toward all, and injects an element of humor when appropriate. Also, he's just an over-all nice guy and family man that I would love to have as my next-door neighbor. I've watched the production values of Mentour Pilot improve steadily over the years. I miss the old days, though, when one could count on unscripted appearances and antics by the pups on the black couch with the red and green pillows. I hope our furry friends are doing well.
Maybe a bit of hindsight!?
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Superstition has no relevance to the safe operation of machinery.
Repent to Jesus Christ “A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” Isaiah 40:3 NIV J
Absolutely! Confident in his "take," will consider his words most valid to apply!
My thoughts exactly, lessons not just for aviation.
You put a lot of effort into the visualization. That's amazing for understanding 👍
As a EMB145 maintenance technician, I think the aircraft handled this accident like a champ. The gear sheared off as designed, but didn't quite end up fully departing the airplane. The nose absorbed the impact softening the shock to the passengers and crew. All in all I think the airplane did a fantastic job. It's just sad that we lost an XR, those are the pinnacle of 145's.
@Ian Rosie you're just telling you're american and trying to find issues that doesnt exist and doesnt make sense on a non american plane. Everyone can see that in case you think you're fooling anyone
@Paul Jakma Yes.
@rx7145 I will trust a technician far more than an engineer.
@NicolaW72 But I suspect it took quite a while for them to get their baggage. ;)
Just so you know, those knives that sponsored this video are made of cheap grade steel and are no better than inexpensive (or even free give-away) knives; they are just massively overpriced. You can find other channels that chose not to accept sponsorship but to expose them instead. Some channels look into the companies before accepting deals. Their big mistake was to approach channels dealing with blades, which would be a great match _if they were what they claim_ but instead outed them.
@Friskjid jidoglu Privacy VPNs are _part_ of a solution to hide your identity from companies like Google. That's all they do. Some Privacy VPN companies confuse things further by bundling random pieces of security software with their client software.
Everything is a scam now ..like that that investment add,, they all sound like gretest slice bread but if any of these people really beluved their schemes they would never tell you.. The idea is a to get more people in on the pyramid scheme. Or sell you a book.
What would anyone expect? The channel is mostly junk..
@Stettafire how should VPNs be treated? I sort of use them like Internet condoms. Maybe my view is wrong? 🤷
@Stettafire I laughed out loud at the Nord VPN pitch I heard earlier. Not sure how those pitches could be justified as anything short of false advertising.
I came for the airplane information, I stayed because I like your personality.
I appreciate You videos as I prepare for My flight Simulator Experience on a 737... I enjoy all the knowledge you share gives me an appreciation for what pilots do in the process of flying... 🛬🛫
I work at a large aviation repair facility and often pass along important suggestions about safety that I learn here. Who knows who may be having a bad day or because someone is new and in training. Often I followup with the question, "Would you feel safe to fly on the plane that you were a part of repairing?" We now have a suggestion box to improve safety and award workers for going above and beyond. I'm going to suggest watching some of these videos that are shorter. If someone on the FPI line rejects a blade with a hairline crack and prevents a tragedy then this channel will have more impact than anyone would ever know. Great job! Final comment, if you see something wrong - say something. There's no points for being quiet.
Just noting that I love the longer-content format. If I want a brief summary, I can turn to Mayday Aviation 😂
The Embraer 145 is a super little jet, which continues to avoid killing its first passenger, despite the best efforts of some pilots!
Thank you for pronouncing Presque Isle right! Former Mainiac. I wonder why Loring was not an option, although in the same weather.
Kamikoto knives are a scam. They use cheap 420J2 steel that is illsuited for a knives and definately not a high-end steel. You can find similar japanese style knives made with the exact same steel for 20-40USD and not for 200SUD. The SUS420J2 steel is the same steel no matter where in the world its made, "high quality japanese steel" means nothing.
What I don’t understand is what reason could the previous pilots and crews who noticed the anomaly have to not report it? Is it a paperwork hassle or something that makes them think if it’s minor enough they might as well just not report it?
That would be hard to prove. The snow was constantly being plowed and changing. It may have been fine to the other pilots on prior flights. The problem was several different things. Main one was a weak CA and weak FO.
That's involuntary manslaughter by not making a bad order instrument reading report. If you dont tell someone thf brakes in a car are no good are you not leading them towards death?
As someone with sleep apnea… man, 5 hours of sleep without a CPAP? That’s the sort of nonsense that get’s you killed (I was diagnosed after almost crashing on the freeway after falling asleep at the wheel on my way to work. Thank god for rumble strips, I didn’t drive again until the issue was taken care of.) It takes maybe 5 or 10 minutes to setup your CPAP good sir, use it, there’s really no excuse.
I've always wondered how the making of this excellent channel has influenced Petter's own actions in the cockpit. It's like having his own permanently ongoing safety training. I am sure he is one of the safest pilots out there as he is constantly reminded and super aware of all the things that can go wrong. (and, well, he is a Swede) 😁
Swedes are the safest commercial pilots. Especially if their last name is Trygg.😉
For sure he must be a great pilot and I would wish to his F.O. some day.
Speaking of SWEDE, also highly recommend to People- MORA SHEATH KNIVES ~
@The Zero Line good flex
Confirmation bias sure, plus a female captain that struggled and failed on her way to achieving her rank. I've worked with females in police who took greater risks (for themselves and those around them) trying to prove that they're worthy of being in the job.
A friend of mine who used to fly F/16s for Royal Jordanian Air Force once told me about an accident where the aircraft lost its wing upon takeoff and pilot was killed just because the previous pilot had over-G the jet and didn’t report it. Lesson, If you see anything unusual report it because you saw it but the other person may not be able to see to.
Over-G is very, very dangerous. Always report it, no matter if you are the junior pilot.
@Speed Kills wow many thanks to that guy for the damage! and btw, nobody from third-world countries with poor aviation regulations is watching so not that it would change much for them anyway. but if they try to, they may as well end up treated like that pro russian pilot(thanks again, maybe someone in this world has life spared thanks to his mistake).
In russia, if you break something, you have to pay for it with your own money. I remember reading last year about young russian military pilot who unintentionally tailstriked training aircraft on landing. After that he was expelled from army and the court imposed him to pay for all the damages many millions of rubles. Basically he will have to pay the rest of his life for one small mistake.
Naive question:. Why isn't it mandatory to report all discrepancies in navigation systems? Otherwise, it seems that the safety of future passengers and crew in that aircraft, or possibly all aircraft using that airport, is potentially compromised.
I was avid follower of Aircrash Investigation but no new episodes so I stopped watching. Recently I discovered you and I can't praise you enough, you explain them just perfectly. Keep up the good work!
Same here. I don't want to be ghoulish but I like the ones where there is nobody left to say what happened and the investigators have to x-ray everything to pin down the one bolt that failed even though it all looks like crushed beer cans.
I was also an avid Mayday fan but have seen all of the episodes.. There are two other channels that I highly recommend if you enjoy these videos. "Disaster Breakdown" and "Mini air crash investigation" both upload weekly and are of great quality.
This is the creepiest of all your other videos. Had no idea that large airliners would ever land in airports that lacked ANY essential features. Yikes
Guess I'm glad I reported a loose screw on the wing, even though I noticed it while descending and reported after we landed... Doesn't hurt to report...
It's really nice when everyone survives. Digging out a trench in the snow was an extra nice touch. I think I love these stories so much because half the time they're just about members of human society helping out other members of human society.
No control tower for a landing jet. No lights. I'm surprised they had a fire crew.
As a former commander of pilots and PIC, I maintain that after ANY Go-Around, the Captain should take over flying the controls. Let the decision-making be there.
Sometimes the opposite switch is appropriate if the captain abilities are diminished by or before the situation.
How about we have strong CAs not weak ones. How about the FO should have called in sick. According to your logic; you’re giving the plane to the weakest link. Horrible CRM.
There's a REASON you have to go around when you reach minimums and can't for SURE see the runway or the runway guide lights and KNOW that you're on a stable approach!!! Thank God no one was killed!
I remember a passenger on that Aloha Airlines 737 that lost part of its roof noticed cracks in the skin of the plane as she boarded and at first wanted to say something but then decided not to, assuming the crew knew about the cracks and would not fly if it wasn't safe.
Other crew: Hmm, it is prudent or even required of us to report this defect. Ah screw it. Let's get outta here! Captain: None of us can see a runway. Ah screw it, just land lol.
Love this channel. It's my absolute favorite.
Fantastic video. Good analysis. There was a lot of caution flying into that airport. 3 months prior, the runway maintenance crew improperly report braking action which almost caused a runway excursion. Greatly increased runway performance buffers and alternate rules came from that. Also got the feds involved. I was unaware of the loc antenna clearance rules and their changes. That was very interesting to hear. But with the weather, snow removal challenges, and a weaker captain it lined up all the cheese. Fortunate no one was injured.
When I first heard of the incident that afternoon, I assumed it was an excursion because of previous runway reports being greatly inaccurate. I’ll admit I didn’t have to check to see who the captain was….
I ride in these all the time. I've always felt safe and never had any concerns. Doesn't look like the jet was the problem here.
There's a lot less to go wrong with them too!
It’s too bad the decision making of the crew was so badly flawed as it seems like they had good general CRM otherwise. Their communication was awesome, they were well briefed and had put forth information well. They handled the initial approach beautifully and never got behind the aircraft. And then to blow it by violating one of the most critical rules of aviation, it’s truly mind boggling.
@flagmichael not even just prepared for the go-around, they even briefed the possible ils deviation. Like I said, it’s truly mind boggling, they were operating like an amazing crew until the point that they hit the minimums, then from that point they violated one of the few hard rules in aviation, if you don’t have positive view of the runway by the time you hit the minimums, you must go around.
Exactly, I just don’t understand. Why on earth did the first officer think “hmm better dodge this big ass pole..twice”. You’d think that would be a huge clue that something ain’t right
They even prepared for go-around. I don't understand.
This is an incredibly impressive channel. I have never seen such a forensic analysis of flight events before. There is so much to learn from this. Thank you so much! Greets from Switzerland 🇨🇭
His carefully crafted presentation really gives us a view of events. Others say what happened while Petter tells us in detail why those things happened.
Wish the USA railroads would start taking safety seriously. They want 1 man crews and still don’t give their employees sick time., let alone a schedule of any kind. I was a locomotive engineer/conductor for 15yrs and finally left the industry due to safety, quality of life and treatment by management. Always like your videos because it’s about safety and not money.
Heh.. and there’s still rail crossings without stop lights or bars
Very different from how European railways do it. Safety is priority number one here, usually.
Kamikoto Knives is owned by Galton Voysey which is the main company behind Established titles, please consider more inspection of your sponsor before taking it to your videos because also Kamikoto knives is very sketchy with it's products, for further information about this watch the video of Scott Shafer on the matter
One more successful landing . I would do it from the first try.
Very well presented. Thank you.
May you tell the story of VASP VP 375 flight? The brazilian plane hijacked? The Pilot had some heroic actions there.
in honour of Fernando Murilo de Lima.
I certainly agree with the finding that the First Officer's fatigue was likely a factor. When I finally got a CPAP for sleep apnea I soon noticed that when I was driving I seemed to have a remarkable sense of traffic around me. In reality, it was normal situational awareness after years of driving in a fog. The devil of it is that it is hard to know when our awareness fades. Now I don't even take a short nap without it.
everybody should use a cpap at night.
@Curt J. Sampson and you forgot reddit's armchair pilots
@crimony the condition doesn't abate. It's a serious lifelong condition. I have a professional driver (more like planes than cars) with OSA in my life, he's not allowed to work without his CPAP. My partner has OSA too, he would invalidate his car insurance without using CPAP at night. My dad turned a car and broke my niece's neck because he hadn't used his CPAP that night. You would not want to be in a plane flown by a pilot who hasn't used his CPAP, nevermind was too sick to use his CPAP.
@crimony The condition that was abating was the First officers flu. Being a long time Continuous Positive Airway Pressure Machine (CPAP) user, I know it only takes a few minutes to set up and a few minutes to pack up (Used to travel for work, now retired). There is a delicate balance in using a CPAP while sick with a cold/flu/pneumonia. I have had to sleep upright in a chair while sick because of the possibility of the CPAP pushing the ailment further into my lungs. I have had pneumonia twice in my lifetime. Having said all that, one should never self diagnose when he/she no longer needs a CPAP; That should be a decision of the sleep center doctor(s) based on another sleep study. My machine transmits data to my VA sleep center doctor so she knows just how each night went and how many apnea episodes I may have had. A CPAP doesn't miraculously cure or stop all apnea episodes, but their main purpose is to reduce or stop them each time you use your CPAP, thereby increasing your overall oxygen count/percentage. A saying I learned a long time ago is; 'Its hard to remember that your main objective was to drain the swamp when you are up to your ass in alligators'. Best to get out of the swamp and re-evaluate; unfortunately those pilots did once but should have twice and then diverted. The same thing goes when using a GPS. If you find a directions error, report it to the manufacturer; you may save someone's life. Ron Pratt (YouTuber) has a tow truck company in the Midwest and is constantly recovering Semis that followed their GPS into trouble.
@crimony When the condition abated? For some mild cases there are things that cause symptoms to abate (like losing weight), those aren't usually the cases where you're prescribed a CPAP machine. For those with a CPAP, the alternative treatment options to abate the symptoms are things like surgery, and even then, they're not 100% effective. Either way, he was either prescribed it, or it wasn't required. There's no in between, and transition from the condition to without isn't done without serious treatment and consultation with Dr's.
I kinda love this 24:46 tbh. "Well, maybe I missed a note somewhere that this airport has a tower in front of the runway. Silly airport, silly me :) "
Great work Mentour Pilot. This video is very impressive! A "must watch" to all pilots out there. As an EMB135/145 Captain flying in Europe this video is even more relevant. The funny thing is, I found your video 1 day after filing an Occurrence-Report on a VOR approach into Thessaloniki with almost the exact same problem. Luckily the weather was not so bad so we had good reference with the runway well above minimums and corrected for the off-track. As a pilot I know it sure is hard to overcome the "Confirmation Bias" when your instruments are telling you something different from reality and with the words "trust-your-instruments" ringing in the back of your mind. It happens to the best, never say never. Thanks fellow aviator/colleague of the skies.
The first approach where they barely missed that tower should have set off major alarm bells in both pilots - you just should not encounter an obstruction like that if you are lined up with the runway. Pilots are trained to believe their instruments, but this extreme anomaly must override that training and cause a reset - the instruments aren't ALWAYS right.
I live in Presque Isle. Despite being a "small" airport it was built by the military for large bombers, so it has more capacity and capability than it's size and location would indicate. It was the predecessor to Loring AFB that housed the B52 and B1B bomber wings during the end of the cold war. Also, thanks for the proper enunciation. 99% of Americans can't pronounce our name to save their lives.
Hello from Kinchloe
@Juan Whick there are a few others in the states as well. I mean, considering what the words mean I am not surprised it was a common place name for french speaking locals.
Honestly threw me off lol. I’m from Erie, PA and we have a Presque isle.
Nice breakdown on this accident incident...
I love how Petter really highlights how important it is to follow operating procedures in high risk, high stress operations and his advice can be adapted to so many occupations... I learn so much valuable information from his work. I've spent a large part of my working life working in large mining operations as a drill and blast technician and shot crew foreman and I always drill into my crews (no pun intended) that the only bad emergency call or shutdown of a machine when a hazard was detected is the one that wasn't called. I will never, ever chastise any member of any crew, no matter how low on the totem pole they may be, for identifying what they perceive as a hazard and stopping the machine they're on or calling "emergency, emergency, emergency" over the radios and stopping the entire site. In our line of work, there are plenty of situations we are in every single day that do not have the option of a go around. Although our procedures make things relatively safe nowadays, when things do go wrong, they go catastrophically wrong and there's a hundred different ways to end up as a thin veneer spread across the work site. Call the emergency first, no matter what you think the reason may have been and if you're unsure of what you're doing, or if it doesn't look quite right, then always stop and get someone more senior to check it out and if they're unsure they'll grab someone like me to make sure everything is kosher. Just like those pilots with the "sterile environment" we have times where the shot is tied in, ready to fire, when we have similar, very strict rules about who can and can't be anywhere near it. We have procedures in place, as tedious as they can be, for very good reasons and the sites are only as safe as they are thanks to a long line of tragedy that has taught us what those procedures need to be. Not following the procedures on my shot crews is a real good way to get your arse fired immediately too.
Any landing you walk away from IS A GOOD ONE.
Great analysis. Really intriguing accident, which I had always thought was a case of the a/c skidding off the runway until now (I remember seeing a photo of one of the main gear lodged in the left engine intake). Also a big relief that no one was seriously injured or killed. Interesting that they saw something very wrong (tower) with the first approach and decided to go around, and then saw the same again with the second approach but elected to try and "salvage" the approach and landing.
From the post-accident photos, it appears to me that the 5' of snow may have actually helped the aircraft come to a somewhat stable stop on the infield.
True but it was also the 5' of snow that caused the bad signals too.
But a Go Around would still be preferred as that would save having to plow a path through 5 feet of snow to get the passengers :-0)
The snow caused the issue by negatively impacting the technology on the ground, but also worked as a fine cushion once they came down.
As a Local to PI, sounds about right. Lol
@Dominick LaVarco Well it's probably more apt to say the lack of effective mitigation measures for said snow was the root cause of the malfunction, being that the snow which stopped the plane was separate from the snow causing the equipment malfunction... However the irony in the situation isn't lost on me.
Notes: ASAP reports, Aviation Safety Action Program, are automatically forwarded to the FAA and do not remain internal to the airline. A factor not listed, and never listed, is the pressure pilots feel from their companies to complete a flight. This culture of pressure is real, and prevalent. Seasoned pilots are less susceptible to this phenomenon of pilot pushing, however, younger less experienced pilots may show less resistance to pilot pushing and a sense of "completing the mission" rather than adhere to procedure. As the industry begins to fill up with newly minted pilots during the rush to fill pilot seats, new pilots need to learn from accidents. A nice breakdown MP. Lesson: There is no mission to complete; stick to procedures.
These accidents usually happen very quickly, with long discussions between seconds of events. Seeing them enacted in real time, maybe at the end, is a big "ask", but could be fascinating. In any case, thanks for these videos.
Thank you Petter for this great report. I have much experience flying into PQI in a Saab 340. This airport can be a real challenge in the winter. One challenge is the lack of chemical being put on the runway most likely due to budget constraints. PQI is a Essential Air Service route and is only serviced by one airline. The operations crews would only scrap the runway to clear snow, but many times it was white as could be and hard to distinguish from other terrain.
This video got me thinking a lot about the challenges pilots must face here where I live, which is in the nothern Canadian prairies. There are International airports here, in the larger cities. We have like six months of winter. -40 is a normal temp. There are times where you can look out the window, and struggle to see the house across the street. Even driving here in winter is crazy. Not so much in the cities, but on the highways, if it's snowing and there's any wind, everything is just white white white. A car could be three feet in front of you, and you wouldn't know. We call it a white-out. A blizzard is even worse, but it doesn't have to be a full-blown blizzard in order to cause a white-out, or visibility issues. I think about the amount of accidents, injuries, and deaths that are caused just by driving a car here in winter, and I wonder about how much more difficult pilots must have here during our long winters.
Thank you for covering this incident, this is our local airport. We were devastated to learn of this accident and thankful only minor injuries.
The original term NOTAM meant Notice to Airmen. Now, listening to you, it’s been changed to Notice to Air Mission. This is dangerous. By substituting Air Mission, you are adding a level of indirection that could prevent all pilots (flying or monitoring) from receiving the notice. It’s critical that these notified go to the crew. Not a virtual crew, not a mission commander, and certainly not the first low level person that’s available to review the notice. No, these notices must go to the crew with no intercepts if any kind. Otherwise, the consequences will be very, very, steep.
Nothing in the system has changed, neither has the acronym. Just the description. So I don't see how it affects anything. Doesn't mean I don't think it's stupid and PC and woke and all of that, but other than being annoying it doesn't change anything.
1:54 I may be wrong. But I'm pretty sure Alitalia doesn't operate a flight to rural Maine.
Thanks to these videos, I got well aware of confirmation bias. But even then, I've been in several situations (just as a pedestrian) when it was not clear if I was really where I thought I was, and, actively considering being victim of confirmation bias, it still took me an awfully long time and a ton of evidence to realize that I was wrong. It's insidious!
This was much more enjoyable than just reading the NTSB report. Thanks for the safety discussion!
I love your channel. My aviation career ended early due to health issues, but I still feel the excitement through your presentations.
Although not an issue of a similar nature, this video reminds me of a Ryanair flight I once took as a passenger when I was a current private pilot. We were boarding from the ground and I therefore had a chance to look at the aircraft, a Boeing 737. I noticed that there appeared to be a bit too much aircraft skin buckling at the lower tail section. When I got into the aircraft and got a chance to speak with a stewardess, I informed her of what I’d seen, that it probably was in tolerance but that I was a PPL and could she inform the Captain so that a further visual check could be made before takeoff. Well, unfortunately, I was treated as if I was causing an unwelcome interruption for the cabin crew and asked to sit down. Nobody reported back to me so I have to assume that my comments were ignored! I’ve never flown with Ryanair since, and have no plans to do so again. Keep up the good work with your videos. I find them so informative and your analysis and explanations are excellent. I occasionally discuss your videos with my son-in-law who is a Captain for TUI on Boeing 737 and moving to Dreamliner shortly.
It's painful to hear Experienced professionals not report abnormalities with any plane equipment or systems. As this is something I've noticed in many of this videos.
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Small correction... At 3:40 you mentioned the glideslope antenna gave the aircraft an indication of how it is situated laterally. "Laterally" should have been "vertically". Another great video, thanks for your contributions to aviation safety!
I'm glad you caught this too. I was really confused and thought to myself, "isn't laterally and horizontally effectively the same thing in this application?"
Minimums are there for a reason, such a shame. Glad no one was hurt.
The sound effects on this video are amazing!!!
ILS beam deflection is an interesting phenomenon. The lower beam of most glide slopes is bounced off the ground and outwards at 3 degrees. Normally the localizer is quite reliable but in winter a freezing rain over a snow pack will change the height of the signal bounce and throw it out of tolerance. This is typically picked up the monitoring system.
A fascinating analysis- really absorbing thanks
Shout out to the snow clearing crew here too. Not usually what you think of as an emergency responder. But when you have 5 feet of snow on the ground, and something off-runway, they have to get it done first for anyone else to do anything.
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I hate the YouTube algorithm. I accidentally clicked on one “flight channel” and then you were out of my feed completely for days. I literally had to come find you. But other pilot channels started showing up. You’re the best!
Great video. I’m really surprised though that it wasn’t until 2019 that the FAA issued guidance around snow and localizer systems. ILS is especially important during low visibility which is often the case with snow, right? Neither snow nor ILS are new yet it wasn’t until 2019 that people realized snow can impact localizer accuracy by a very large margin? 🤔🤔🤔
During a flooding event in my city, I was assigned as part of a law enforcement unit to check which streets were still unflooded (so other emergency services like ambulances and fire brigade could get through as required, without having to go hunting for access to where they had to go.) I noticed what I thought was an excessive amount of fuel on the surface of flood waters around a petrol station that had gone completely under (a few cm's under the roof). I was told by my dispatcher at the time to ignore it, as it was likely surface runoff. I disagreed, and so made a few calls. We were told during those calls to remain on site, and evacuate people at least 500m. About 20m later dispatch advised a water police unit was attending with divers (unknown to them as a result of my calls), who went down and confirmed a rupture in one of the fuel tanks of the station. The diver came up and told us to get everyone back at least another 1000m, and to evacuate all the surrounding businesses and households. I'm so glad I disregarded the direction to move on and ignore the issue, given people were standing on an overpass bridge down-current smoking less than 50m from the station. It's not guaranteed anything would have happened, but multiple failures are always at the source of a disaster, and I can at least say I have never contributed to one through action, inaction or error.
This is a really good counterpoint to the previous video where the pilots refused to believe their instruments! As always thank you for the care you take to tell these stories well.
Can you do one about the Korean Air Flight (801) here on Guam?
Cool video keep up such good content, but wouldn´t do any commercial with kamikoto scam knifes and the same person is behind the established titles scam.
Hi @Mentour Pilot Are you gonna make a report of Korean Air Flight KE631 crash land in cebu? im kinda excited about it. btw cheers to your channel its brilliant and im one of your avid fan.
Please tell me they lost their pilot's licence and are no longer flying.
Huge fan of the channel. Have watched everything you have done for years. Your English is great "almost" perfect in fact.... but I am going to be a little impertinent here and make an observation about one small thing that does not affect anyone's comprehension but that I think you might want to know. You frequently need to say something such as "like I said earlier...such and such." The preferred grammar is to say "AS I said before" not LIKE I said. Is a small thing but it happens a lot due to the nature of your expositions and, if it was me, I would want to get it perfect, given that your English is so close to perfect. I really hope you don't find my observation out of line. AS I said earlier I am a huge fan.
Thank you for this video. I'm currently dealing with anxiety due to having needed to submit an OH&S report on a workplace that I was recently employed at. I spoke up, even though it related to a short term work contract, even when doing so made me extremely anxious as it may well impact future opportunities. Reminding us that if not one speaks up the conditions for workplace errors/injuries remain unaddressed is something I needed to hear, today.
Just a quick comment in regards to the sponsor kamikoto as they are questionable to say the least. There's a video made by a youtuber called shadiversity that tries to work out if the knives are genuine or a scam since he has indepth knowledge about swords and steel, there are non YouTube sites that also did similar research if you are curious. Just thought I'd mention it since noone commented about the kamikoto "scam".
Yep. This has to be highlighted
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